DMerciful:
From your writeup, you agree a restructured Nigeria will be better than this. One now wonder why the SW opposes restructuring even though they were the major proponents in the 90s.
Is it because Igbos are pro-restructuring?

Can you please support your comment with facts and evidence of South West opposing restructuring?

What is SW leader Tinubu saying about restructuring? What is Osinbajo saying about restructuring? What is Lai Mohd saying about restructuring? What is Aregbesola saying? They are saying we need to restructure our minds first, can you believe that! Tinubu has been particularly silent because he doesn't want to offend the North

alablec:


Can you please support your comment with facts and evidence of South West opposing restructuring?

Been a while i read an heathly post without insults

I respect the Yoruba and igbos on their maturity

Kudos

DMerciful:
What is SW leader Tinubu saying about restructuring? What is Osinbajo saying about restructuring? What is Lai Mohd saying about restructuring? What is Aregbesola saying? They are saying we need to restructure our minds first, can you believe that! Tinubu has been particularly silent because he doesn't want to offend the North

You only answered a question with questions!


So those are the SW leaders and people?
Because some of them are ministers, they should now beat Buhari on restructuring?
What are your region'a leaders saying about restructuring that makes them vocal than that of SW's?
Can you quote them and what they did better?
Can you type what your leaders, your appointees did with restructuring when they were in power or government that made you love them more, even those in power presently?!

We surely need to say things the way they are without emotions and exaggerations. If one is not angel, don't blame others too much.
There is difference betweenr secession (which is the loudest voice in the SE and which reduce others' trust, particularly northerners, in them for presidency) and restructuring (which is the main demand of the SW, SS and NC). Google and history can help you, there is no need for argument.

Who are the elders? What's their numbers?Which political parties do they represent? Do ALL Yorubas share these interests?



In all honesty, do you think they or even Buhari can stop anybody from contesting?
Didn't Gov Rochas Okorocha (the only southerner) contested against Buhari for the APC presidential ticket in 2013 and even came 4th?


Are you new to Nigerian politics?

DMerciful:
This your posture would have been believable if yoruba elders did not go to meet Bubu to warn key Northerners from contesting. No one is fooled here

You are asking lots of questions for answers that you know. Yorubas were the biggest proponents of restructuring in the 90s and early 2000s but they have abandoned it. Now the biggest proponents are the SE & SS. Afenifere is talking restructuring but most South Westerners dont listen to them anymore. Secession is on the table if the rest of Nigeria insists on running this current stagnated system.

alablec:


So those are the SW leaders and people?
Because some of them are ministers, they should now beat Buhari on restructuring?
What are your region'a leaders saying about restructuring that makes them vocal than that of SW's?
Can you quote them and what they did better?
Can you type what your leaders, your appointees did with restructuring when they were in power or government that made you love them more, even those in power presently?

We surely need to say things the way they are without emotions and exaggerations. If one is not angel, don't blame others too much.
There is difference betweenr secession (which is the loudest voice in the SE and which reduce others' trust, particularly northerners, in them for presidency) and restructuring (which is the main demand of the SW, SS and NC). Google and history can help you, there is no need for argument.

So you wanna deny your elders? You know Bubu can stop them cos he has cultlike followership in the North!

oyatz:
Who are the elders? What's their numbers?Which political parties do they represent? Do ALL Yorubas share these interests?



In all honesty, do you think they or even Buhari can stop anybody from contesting?
Didn't Gov Rochas Okorocha (the only southerner) contested against Buhari for the APC presidential ticket in 2013 and even came 4th?


Are you new to Nigerian politics?

DMerciful:
You are asking lots of questions for answers that you know. Yorubas were the biggest proponents of restructuring in the 90s and early 2000s but they have abandoned it. Now the biggest proponents are the SE & SS. Afenifere is talking restructuring but most South Westerners dont listen to them anymore. Secession is on the table if the rest of Nigeria insists on running this current stagnated system.

You've not even answered one of my questions!

Please say what others have said that is greater than what Afenifere, opc, ọọni, Obasanjo and Etta have said; are they not part of the Yorùbás you are referring to? Very funny to say SE are biggest proponents of restructuring. It's either you term asking for Biafra or resource control as what restructuring is or about or you've not been following events in the country.

The bulk of SW listens to Tinubu! They no longer listen to these people you mentioned. There is no point denying it here.

alablec:


Please say what others have said that is greater than what Afenifere, opc, ọọni, Obasanjo and Etta have said; are they not part of the Yorùbás you are referring to?

DMerciful:
The bulk od SW listens to Tinubu! They no longer listen to these people you mentioned. There is no point denying it here.

Please give them Script to read.

DMerciful:
The bulk od SW listens to Tinubu! They no longer listen to these people you mentioned. There is no point denying it here.

There you go again! Tinubu! Tinubu!!, I wonder what this guy did to deserve this, it must really tormenting?

I did not insult Tinubu, I only said he has abandoned restructuring. I also called him SW leader, where is the insult here?

alablec:


There you go again! Tinubu! Tinubu!!, I wonder what this guy did to deserve this, it must really tormenting?

DMerciful:
I did not insult Tinubu, I only said he has abandoned restructuring. I also called him SW leader, where is the insult here?

Who made him south west leader? So because Tinubu abandoned restructuring means d whole of sw did.

Hahahahaha......Abeg, e be like say you want to make unnecessary argument. Everybody knows Tinubu is SW leader!

dammiecool:

Who made him south west leader? So because Tinubu abandoned restructuring means d whole of sw did.

You obviously don't know what it means to be President.

Even northern politicians like Tambuwal, Kwankwanso, Atiku contested against Buhari either at the primary or secondary elections, so how can Buhari stop them from contesting against Adeyemi, Tinubu, Okorocha, Nwodo, Akpanudo or Francis Ella?

There were Northers who contested against Shagari just as there were Southerners who ran against Awolowo.
Nobody can stop anybody

There has NEVER been any election in Nigeria in which only members of only tribe aspire to be president.

DMerciful:
So you wanna deny your elders? You know Bubu can stop them cos he has cultlike followership in the North!

Why are the Igbos not teaming up with the Kanuris, Nupes, Igala, Ijaws,Efik, Tivs, Bachama to neutralize any gang up?

You are talking as if the Igbos are helpless in Nigeria.
Even smaller tribes I mentioned above don't lament or display hopelessness like this.

DMerciful:
There is already a gang up but if this gang up persist then the Igbos will have no choice than to opt out. You can never win if the majority gang up against you in a democracy.

The Igbos are the most successful tribe economically but out ambition is far superior to our current situation that's why we are dissatisfied. Other tribes are really not ambitious! We cant be contented with mediocrity because others are OK with it!

oyatz:
Why are the Igbos not teaming up with the Kanuris, Nupes, Igala, Ijaws,Efik, Tivs, Bachama to neutralize any gang up?

You are talking as if the Igbos are helpless in Nigeria.
Even smaller tribes I mentioned above don't lament or display hopelessness like this.

Let me tell you the truth.

Politicians from all the Geopolitical zones will contest for the Presidency in 2023.
It's not only the Yorubas and Igbos that are in Nigeria.

Ambitious politicians like Atiku, El-Rufai, Tambuwal, Saraki, Kwankwanso, Amaechi, Sure Lamido, Keyamo, Wike, Akpabio, Kingibe can't be stopped by emotional rantings.
It's better to prepare for them and defeat them rather than wishing they don't contest.

DMerciful:
Na you talk am o

It's such outbursts like this that got you where you are.

Who told you that Non-Igbo Nigerians are lazy good for nothing fellows seating on their asses being contented with the situations in Nigeria?

Who told you that Igbos are the most successful tribe in Nigeria? According to which ethnically based statistics?

Are Enugu, Anambra or Ebonyi the most developed parts of Nigeria?

You will have to be using this your 'succcess" to lead other Nigerians.


































Wisdom is profitable to direct.

DMerciful:
The Igbos are the most successful tribe economically but out ambition is far superior to our current situation that's why we are dissatisfied. Other tribes are really not ambitious! We cant be contented with mediocrity because others are OK with it!

DMerciful:
I did not insult Tinubu, I only said he has abandoned restructuring. I also called him SW leader, where is the insult here?

This is Tinubu speaking on restructuring

https://www.thecable.ng/204631-2

https://punchng.com/nigeria-needs-restructuring-to-create-balance-tinubu/

https://dailypost.ng/2018/04/04/tinubu-declares-stand-restructuring/

So tell another lie

Others are quite OK with mediocrity and the backwardness else they would be agitating to change the status quo. And this is the reason why they gang up against Igbos, like they complain too much when it's not that bad. Everybody has their standards however the Nigeria as it is today is unbearable to our aspirations. We wanna lead the nation to change the status quo or opt out

oyatz:
It's such outbursts like this that got you where you are.

Who told you that Non-Igbo Nigerians are lazy good for nothing fellows seating on their asses being contented with the situations in Nigeria?

Who told you that Igbos are the most successful tribe in Nigeria? According to which ethnically based statistics?

Are Enugu, Anambra or Ebonyi the most developed parts of Nigeria?

You will have to be using this your 'succcess" to lead other Nigerians.


































Wisdom is profitable to direct.

DMerciful:
The Igbos are the most successful tribe economically but out ambition is far superior to our current situation that's why we are dissatisfied. Other tribes are really not ambitious! We cant be contented with mediocrity because others are OK with it!

Guy please do not come here talking nonsense

You are derailing this thread

By what metric are Eboes more successful than anyone??

Is there any evidence of this or just an idea you like?

They were not so before Nigeria was created and not so now

They are the largest group of migrants internally because their land is the WORST place economically

Just like the lie that prompted this thread
The myth of Eboe economic success is easily dismantled.
Eboes are this Eboes are that.
Always full of pride. Empty pride with no objective basis

PLease stop derailing the thread

Look at the heading of the thread
If you want to debate the unfairness of Nigerians to Eboes create a thread for that.
This thread is about 1999 and what actually happened there

alablec:


Can you please support your comment with facts and evidence of South West opposing restructuring?

Facts are an inconvenience to this folk
Their tactic is the same widen the debate as much as possible and then keep shifting from one irrelevance to the next
The topic here is whether the presidency was zoned to the Yoruba by PDP. Simple yes or no question

Somehow they will manoeuver till you find yourself talking about quota system in Super Eagles!!

Back to topic please................


Did the PDP zone the presidency to the Yoruba in 1999

The answer is a capital NO!! and that is why Alex Ekwueme contested

That is why many others contested from the south

Why then are we talking about which country cooks the best Jollof??

alablec:


You've not even answered one of my questions!

Please say what others have said that is greater than what Afenifere, opc, ọọni, Obasanjo and Etta have said; are they not part of the Yorùbás you are referring to? Very funny to say SE are biggest proponents of restructuring. It's either you term asking for Biafra or resource control as what restructuring is or about or you've not been following events in the country.

They will never answer instead they keep widening the issues to all kind of diversionary irrelevances

Just keep redirecting back to the Topic

Did PDP zone the Presidence to Yoruba in 1999 ? Yes or No.......

raumdeuter:


This is Tinubu speaking on restructuring

https://www.thecable.ng/204631-2

https://punchng.com/nigeria-needs-restructuring-to-create-balance-tinubu/

https://dailypost.ng/2018/04/04/tinubu-declares-stand-restructuring/

So tell another lie

That was before 2019 elections when bubu kept him in the cooler courtesy of Mamman Daura and Abba Kyari tag-team so he resumed wailing

See when he rejected the constitutional conference in 2013

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/147075-apc-rejects-national-conference.html

alablec:


It'll be difficult for North to continue except you lack knowledge of what happened between 1992 and 1999. The North cannot hold on to power for long, though they've got the number but can't face the SW and SS troubles... that'll be the end of
the country if they tried such, as they can't
imagine Lagos and it's ports, their investments like Dangote's, Rabiu's, etc and SS's oil money slipping away; they are actually wiser than most of us in the south think. They will eventually want someone from SW and probably later from SS to be the president.

Though some of us want SE's president but the reality of thing is far from such; emotions and name callings do not produce a president. Although SE had been partnering the North since 1954 except in 2015 but they had failed to set the terms and when the North was forgetting Biafra, there comes GEJ's issue and Kanu's revival of hatred.

To some scholars, democracy is a worst form
of government in a multi-ethnic nation like
Nigeria. A group can simply be sidelined
without a perfect constitution and numbers.
Hence there is need for new constitution
(which will have the regional Independence
Clause the Eastern leaders rejected in the 50s) and true federalism (which Ironsi canceled in 1966).

Which south south?
South west should go and do their trouble alone and leave south south. South west now want a southern alliance when they were the first to betray that trust. The south south will be more comfortable with north ruling than handing power over to south west.

Abeg all man to your tent. The time has come for a payback for the backstabbing by Southwest.

Lets watch as the game plays out.

nku5:


That was before 2019 elections when bubu kept him in the cooler courtesy of Mamman Daura and Abba Kyari tag-team so he resumed wailing

See when he rejected the constitutional conference in 2013

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/147075-apc-rejects-national-conference.html

Jonathans national conference was a ruse and a waste of time done by a govt that lacks credibility

I gave you instance just in 2018 and you are still wailing that it was before 2019 election. Has it been 6 months after the 2019 elections?

clarocuzioo:


Which south south?
South west should go and do their trouble alone and leave south south. South west now want a southern alliance when they were the first to betray that trust. The south south will be more comfortable with north ruling than handing power over to south west.

Abeg all man to your tent. The time has come for a payback for the backstabbing by Southwest.

Lets watch as the game plays out.

In 2011 when SW voted Jonathan they didnt betray the trust.

clarocuzioo:


Which south south?
South west should go and do their trouble alone and leave south south. South west now want a southern alliance when they were the first to betray that trust. The south south will be more comfortable with north ruling than handing power over to south west.

Abeg all man to your tent. The time has come for a payback for the backstabbing by Southwest.

Lets watch as the game plays out.

Try and reread, this time slowly because I don't see where I wrote about SW and SS collaboration.

alablec:


Try and reread, this time slowly because I don't see where I wrote about SW and SS collaboration.

SS is not a bloc and so my earlier comment about these so called geopolitical zones not being gazetted anywhere or having any validity
In the so called SS we have the former Bendel State which was a UPN state under Awo and also part of the former western region
We also have the former Rivers and Cross Rivers state which were part of the Eastern Region
Their orientation and culture is very different. So also their politics
This is a space where free education too place and that is why today it is easier for Edo to go with APC than Bayelsa

They have Nothing in common historically with the people of Akwa Ibom or Cross River and were never consulted before people started talking about SS

This is equally true in NC where Kwara is lumped together with Taraba. On what basis?


These zones were created by others from outside without consulting
the affected people

Anyway all of this is just intended to be divert attention and derail from the main issue here which is that

PDP DID NOTE ZONE ITS PRESIDENTIAL TICKET TO SW IN 1999
Rather it was to the entire south

Revived

DMerciful:
I did not insult Tinubu, I only said he has abandoned restructuring. I also called him SW leader, where is the insult here?

SoTinubu is SW leader?