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| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by Phenomenalola: 4:40pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
Richard Dawkins is a condition that has resisted the techniques and expertise of physicians in his generation. He has questions but answers to convince him are lacking. One can imagine Goliath challenging David or the publicans challenging Jesus. In the absence of David, Israel will serve as lunch to Goliath and in the absence of Jesus the Pharisees will serve as lunch to the publicans. This is not because there is no God but because David and Jesus are missing. The worth of a Doctor is in the availability of unusual ailments. The capacity of the doctor is predicated on his relationship with an expert teacher. The disciples of Jesus will wonder why they couldn't heal the sick but today's disciples will ignore the sick and still claim to be experts. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by Phenomenalola: 4:46pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
Richard Dawkins is a condition that has resisted the techniques and expertise of physicians in his generation. He has questions but answers to convince him are lacking. One can only imagine Goliath challenging David or the publicans challenging Jesus. In the absence of David, Israel will serve as lunch to Goliath and in the absence of Jesus the Pharisees will serve as lunch to the publicans. This is not because there is no God but because David and Jesus are missing. The worth of a Doctor is in the availability of unusual ailments. The capacity of the doctor is predicated on his relationship with an expert teacher. The disciples of Jesus will wonder why they couldn't heal the sick but today's disciples will ignore the sick and still claim to be experts. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by budaatum: 5:08pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
shadeyinka:You might not have "intended to stereotype the mum of the boy" as atheist, but you implied it and left it to be inferred that atheism was responsible for the boys gender dysphoria, but I can easily let that slide I guess, but here you are making out homosexuals see nothing wrong with fuqing animals as if the two things are the same thing, which is not true and just sounds ignorant or points one out as a liar, if one isn't really so ignorant. One might as well equally ignorantly claim homosexuals approve of sex with their 7 year old child too because no gods told them not to! The truth is atheists might not consider a thing a "sin", which means 'wrong because a god says so', but I'm certain they would not approve of you fuqing their 7 year old or their dog for that matter, and not because they would just rather you didn't, but that no one should because it is just wrong. Just check how many left the Church because a priest molested them when they were 7 years old if you doubt this. I do not agree that "we are in a progressively godless society" at all, and would in fact say that only those who are historically ignorant about how brutal humans have been in the past or do not have the power of Christ in themselves to make the world better would make such a statement. The truth is that we are better humans today and are also far more knowledgeable about religion than we have ever been. God does not sleep and let God's creation go to hell, is more the truth, or God would not have sent Jesus Christ to enlighten us so we can make the world better, and to say the world is progressively godless is like saying we have wasted Christ and let satan win, which I doubt you would agree is the case. Or would you? 1 Like |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by LordReed(m): 5:48pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
jesusjnr: [s]This is likely to be fake news. Not even The Times where he supposedly said this has this news piece.[/s] |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by budaatum: 6:07pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
LordReed:You party pooper! Can't you just humour us for the benefit of discussion? I guess some just don't realise that lying and the bearing of false witness just invalidates God. The below is from Dawkins Foundation, which more accurately reflects his views. A Refute To Morality From God Discussion by: scottcgold Watching various debates between atheists and the religious I have noticed, as I am sure many others have, that the question of morality always wants to rear it’s head as an argument against atheism. While it seems obvious to any atheist that religion is not a requirement for morality I have yet to hear an atheist give a convincing answer to the theist about it’s origin, not that it is a requirement for our position as the burden of proof rests on the theist, however, if we wish to debate then it is our duty to make arguments not only convincing to ourselves but to those opposed to us as well. This is my humble attempt to refute the theistic claim. I will not spend time discussing the argument that morality does or does not come from religion itself. While I do agree that it is extremely valid to point to the scriptures as immoral documents and therefore not an acceptable basis for morality especially when quoting the words or actions of the deity himself/herself, it is all to easy for any theist, William Craig for example, to throw off the religious texts and say that morality is not written in pages but in ourselves by God. This also allows him to sidestep any ridiculous notion that an atheist cannot be moral because they are not religious. Craig says that of course atheists can be moral because they bear the divine spark that God has given to all men/women. Hitchens brilliantly devised a wager asking anyone to present him with a moral action that a theist could perform but that an atheist could not. He also inversely asked of an immoral action that could only be undertaken by a religious person. This, to great effect, fleshed out Weinberg’s claim that “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” However, this does not necessarily refute the theist claim that morality comes from God within us as it side steps the necessity of religious dogma. Dawkins and others have argued the evolutionary reasons for morality which, not that they are invalid, seem to disappoint the theist because they automatically see it as a rebuff to their human dignity. They might say, “Morality is what separates us from the animals because it is a product of the soul or God within man.” We will never get the theist, at least not yet, to admit that morality is a process of genetics and deterministic chemicals operating within the brain and making our choices for us; and while the atheist may be willing to accept morality as a process of evolution and determinism there is still something unsettling to a great many atheists about the notion of free will bing illusory. Theists also say that science has nothing to offer to the humanities such as music, painting and other arts. I tend to agree with this and would also venture to throw morality into this pile as well. It is entirely possible that science may one day discover an absolute morality and describe it to us but this would be as difficult as finding the singular equation that can illustrate the workings of the entire universe. Mathematics while the best suited of our many languages to describe the universe may turn out to be fatally imperfect in doing so or we may keep refining the language of mathematics ever closer to the limit of perfection. Suffice to say that theists, and I tend to agree, feel that science is a different human endeavor that only has secondary impacts on morality but no real incite as to its origins or intricate workings (at least, not yet). At this time I would like to present a definition of humanities as ‘those branches of knowledge, such as philosophy, literature, and art, that are concerned with human thought and culture; the liberal arts.’ Also, I would like to now explain why, above, I have lumped morality in with the humanities. Morality like mathematics can have effects in the physical world. However, unlike mathematics which is the language of the physical world and therefore tethered inescapably to it. Morality is a humanity that operates below (or above) language. We can feel morality without describing it in words and we can endlessly hypothesize moral situations without throwing the physical world out the window. To illustrate, many people hypothesize the necessary moral action that needs to be taken to stop an abortion because of metaphysical and physical assumptions that can be examined independently. In deciding whether we are for or against an abortion at a given moment we can make arguments about a soul or argue, ‘does the baby feel pain?’ or both simultaneously. In contrast, we could hypothesize about what changes we would need to make to a constant if gravity operated in reverse or if light traveled half speed but none of the equations change if we decide chemical weapons are good or bad. Morality is an aesthetic. Theists like Craig may want to believe in an absolute morality and this is fine so far as to say that we may one day discover an agreed upon absolute aesthetic in music and painting. However, even Craig admits that we have made “moral improvements’ although he involves himself in quite the mental contortion to explain why morality has always operated at the absolute while at the same time improving. Theists believe that they are always operating at the moral absolute. This is necessary for their dogma. They therefore claim that God is necessary for morality. For the theist, to admit that morality is relative or evolving towards an absolute perfection while their God operates beyond the physical world and time is to admit that God is inconsistent and imperfect. The theists, like Craig, then mince words and say we have moral improvement but we would not know what absolute we are striving toward unless God was present in us and guiding us. This is where I come to the point of this essay. When a theist asks how can we have an absolute morality without God we must say that it serves a purpose. Morality serves the desire of a species living together in close proximity. We do not need a perfect version of morality to meet the societal want. Any version of it is better than no version at all. When human beings built the first bridges they did not have an image of the Golden Gate Bridge to work toward, just as the Wright brothers first airplane was not a failure to build the Concord. Morality exists because there is a desire for it to exist. It increases the quality of life. We see this throughout human history. As morality reaches higher and higher standards and these standards become accepted we in turn make higher demands of our moral code. We then begin to see that morality is a process of positive feedback. Just as building the first bridge meant not having to walk as far and freed time for us to pursue desires instead of needs, developing moral codes allowed us to have less fear of others within society which allows us more time to think about what we want instead of guarding against every stranger we encounter. We also can now see that as communication, travel and other technologies are at the beginnings of creating a global society, morality is once again evolving, as we demand more from it. Now that we have closer contacts with other countries, nationalism has become xenophobia and righteous persecution towards LGBT has become homophobia. Keep in mind that religious texts have remained the same for these changes and many more. Morality, like any other humanity pleased an aesthetic and evolved, as we demanded more from it. As Mozart was not content to forever bang on drums as cavemen did but instead endeavored to create something ever more complex, beautiful and pleasing so does humanity endlessly strive to throw off Bronze Age morality and create a world more beautiful and pleasing for ALL its inhabitants. |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by Nobody: 6:24pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
LordReed: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ending-religion-is-a-bad-idea-says-richard-dawkins-sqqdbmcpq# 1 Like 1 Share
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| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by Nobody: 6:30pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
Phenomenalola:Wow! This is spiritually top notch!!! Much respect bro. God bless. |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by Phenomenalola: 8:02pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
jesusjnr:As individuals we must not give up on ourselves. We must consciously work together to ensure we attain the unification of our diverse claims about the God concept. I lose nothing if I forgo a wrong claim held for years. I don't own God neither does anyone of us. Respec sir |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by shadeyinka(m): 9:23pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
budaatum:I understand your point: However, the ancient past can be forgiven because it could be said to be based on ignorance. They didn't know any better so that they can sacrifice twins for the perceived greater good of the society. They could sell fellow humans to the whites because they want to have umbrellas and mirrors. Unfortunately, generally we collectively have risen above those gross behaviours based on ignorance. We are enlightened enough to know the difference between right and wrong. But it is now that we have through our enlightenment redefined good and evil, morality and immorality, acceptable and unacceptable norms etc This is why we have become progressively godless because ours is a willful rejection of the almighty. About comparison between homosexuality and bestiality. It all about preference. One is sexual preference for same sex while the other is sexual preference for animals. In both cases, no one is hurt. The argument that animals cannot give a consent doesn't hold because it is legal to slaughter animals for food: sex therefore with an animal should be a "lesser evil". The scriptures predict the society getting worse. Luk 18:8: "I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man comes, shall he find faith on the earth?" 2Tim 3:1-7: "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." I will submit that the society will truly not need God if they can live together without the law enforcement agencies (police, courts of law, army) but if these are necessary, the creator of the universe then becomes the final judge and standard of morality. |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by budaatum: 10:27pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
shadeyinka:I'm going to assume that by "godless" you mean "Lord Lord", and inform you that some atheists are not as "godless" as you assume, especially if God means being morally upright. I don't need "Lord Lord" to be respectful of you, for instance, as even atheist parents teach their children morals, and as Jesus showed in the Parable of the non-God Samaritan. As for your bit on beastiality, I'm afraid your reasoning is beneath my ability to comment apart from to say it has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality in my own opinion. Nations that after all do not condemn homosexuality all condemn bestiality and paedophilia. 1 Like |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by LordReed(m): 10:48pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
jesusjnr: My apologies then. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by budaatum: 11:04pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
LordReed:And mine. |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by shadeyinka(m): 5:34am On Oct 31, 2019 |
budaatum:It seems you don't understand me. Godless society is not referring to Atheism alone. Even Christians have lowered the bar on biblical godliness. You'll be surprised at the number of Christians who have found ways to justify fornication, homosexuality, love of money etc. That was why I quoted 2Tim 3:1-7: godlessness simply means "conforming to the standard of this world". The average Atheist measure morality in terms of objective criteria such as "does my action please or hurt others?...does my action infringe on the human rights of others?". On these criteria, the world hasn't gone barsek. Unfortunately, these alone doesn't define biblical standards because for instance, it doesn't cover homosexuality, fornication, love of pleasure rather than God etc. In other words, morality has been redefined as not what God wants to "objective and sometimes Scientific criteria. Atheists will therefore teach their children not to kill, steal, lie etc not with reference to God but to the respect of fundermental human rights. Biblical godliness extends the rule of pleasing or hurting others and respecting the rights of others to include love and purity . Purity has to do with not contaminating ourselves with "spiritual pathogens" through demonic inspired activities. Thus, fornication, orgies, homosexuality may be conscentual, please the other person yet "ungodly" for Gods instruction is clear: don't do it (because it spreads sexually transmitted spiritual diseases). Homosexuality may not violate the rights of others, it may please the other person, it may be conscentual but does it make it godly? No! Paedophilia on the other hand can be argued from the point of view that a child cannot give a legal conscent. Hence, even a full 100% Atheist will not justify paedophilia. His problem of interpretation of what is good or not breakdown when issues like bestiality for instance is involved. From an Atheistic point of view, why should most Atheist frown against bestiality but not against eating beef or eggs or chicken? I think it's a relic carried along subconsciously subjectively for Gods laws are written in our hearts. Rom 2:15: "Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another  "If I have insinuated that Atheists are wild, immoral, brute and uncultured people, that is very wrong and not correct. But, the best of the Atheists is still ungodly even if morally ok! |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by budaatum: 6:01am On Oct 31, 2019 |
shadeyinka:I wonder what you'd say if I said "The average Christian checks with God if God is pleased with their action? Or does their action infringe God's laws?" Hopefully, "bullshit", or at least, "What the fuq is an average Christian?" Is what you'd say. I wonder too if you think "Lord Lord" is how you know they aren't godless, and suggest you look more at their fruits, because if your claim stands, that morals come from God, then you can't expext one to have morals unless they actually do have God regardless of what they may bow down and worship. If only more people obeyed that one rule, the world would be a much better place is what I think, and God would likely be pleased, After all, Jesus did also say inasmuch as you love those on earth here that you see, the Father in heaven whom you see not is pleased. Any atheist, or anyone, in fact, that does what you suggest they do above has Jesus in their life, is what I think, even if they bow down to satan, for they at least are obeying one half of the greater commandments, which, according to Jesus is, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself', or in your words, "does my action please or hurt others?...does my action infringe on the human rights of others?" |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by budaatum: 6:14am On Oct 31, 2019 |
shadeyinka:I do think this is where your misconception of atheists comes from dare I say, the notion that atheists are out there fornicating and having orgies and being homosexuals. But I can assure you that those who are doing the things listed above are not necessarily atheists because those doing those things are busy doing those things and not really bothering themselve here talking about some God who'd rather they didn't, and some are actually Christians, as you can see for yourself, a whole supposedly godly Pastor Bryan Fulwider Committed Suicide Amid Allegations of 30 counts of sexual battery by a person who is in a position of custodial authority to a person less than 18 years of age! 1 Like |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by shadeyinka(m): 8:13am On Oct 31, 2019 |
budaatum:I guess you think I assume that Atheists are humans with depraved mind and with satanic horns on their heads. But no by dear Buda. I don't think so. They are normal humans like you and me. The only difference is their disbelief in the creator God or any spirit entity for that matter AND therefore their standard of morality is devoid of God. My point is that 100% of Atheists are godless in spite of the fact that you could have good Atheists, morally ok Atheists, truthful Atheists, helpful Atheists etc. A good percentage of Theists are also godless even when they profess to know God and sleep in church all day long My argument is that 1. The "best" of Atheists justify morality by the rules of "if it doesn't hurt others, and if it is conscentual.." then it is ok" 2. Even though the above holds true to a large extent for Atheists, the "good Atheists" still have exceptions which I call the relics of their conscience to abhor things like fornication, revelries, homosexuality etc (a subjective choice) 3. Can a good Atheist argue against homosexuality for instance if rule 1 is not broken? No! Because there isn't any basis to say it is wrong even if personally he doesn't agree with such 4. In other words, in a predominantly Atheistic liberal society, there is no justification for laws against such and hence the society has no just reason to prevent it I just remembered that North Korea seem to have a strong code of behaviour wet homosexuality, dressing, ... But theirs is a totalitarian society. Note: Morality= Doing what is socially correct Godliness= Doing what is socially correct from God's point of view Godliness= morality +purity +love Example: Same sex marriage isn't immoral in some western countries but is it godly? God help us of the society is the sole determinant of our "morality" |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by shadeyinka(m): 8:57am On Oct 31, 2019 |
budaatum:On this, I think the rules of godliness measures love by the standard of God and not man Love your neighbor as yourself could mean different things if the definition of love is different. A homosexual couple may claim to love each other but that's not the perspective of God's kind of love. God's kind of love is : "Do I love you enough to keep you pure in addition to wanting the best for you?" Purity is in light of freedom from demonic impurities and contamination of sin. Love is enough if only we mean the Gods kind of LOVE! |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by Nobody: 9:04am On Oct 31, 2019 |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by budaatum: 9:39am On Oct 31, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Christianity might have taught you that you must indeed believe, but I doubt God gives a flying fuq about the crap anyone believes in their hearts and heads despite what might be written on the subject. Believing is being like a child who sees through dark glass, knowing only in part and not seeing face to face, and is a thing devils do too, so what merit can there possibly be in that? I may "speak in the tongues of men or of angels", is how Paul said it, "and have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge and have a faith that can move mountains and boast that I give all I possess to the poor and my body to hardship", all of which might be based on belief, but if I do not have faith and hope and the greatest which is love, which is actions and works and fruits, then I am a resounding gong and a clanging cymbal and I am definitely godless and you'd be able to tell by my words because they would pretty much sound like "thank you Lord that I am not like that atheist over there" and you just might wonder if I go home "justified rather than the other". When one becomes a full grown adult, one puts away childish beliefs, and understands and knows instead "even as one is known", sayeth the word. And knowing how and where Christ placed his every footstep helps a great deal if one intends to do his will and pick up one's cross and follow him, is what I've found. Yes, I do assume you think atheists are godless, but I guess you been warned, "buda is not one of them", believers, that is, so don't mind me. I'll just leave the judging for the righteous while I concentrate on the forest in my own eyes, because, O but for the Grace of God go I. 1 Like |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by budaatum: 9:52am On Oct 31, 2019 |
shadeyinka:No one is asking anyone to have homosexual love for anyone. You're not even required to love as you love your opposite gender person neither, nor as you love your child, but as you love yourself, warts and sins and all and despite them all. And it does not in any way mean condemning others and judging them, because you can't possibly love yourself if you go about judging and condemning yourself. Or have you no sins at all that you would stone others? 1 Like
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| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by shadeyinka(m): 1:47pm On Oct 31, 2019 |
 kibudaatum:My dear Buda I hope I have corrected your notion that I think Atheists are inherently evil and immoral. If see them as simply godless with its consequences. I think I am seeing another misconception which may not be true: "That I have already judged them as unclean/immoral" Even though the truth invariant irrespective of the frame of reference. This your perceived insinuation isn't true. I see atheists as spiritually sick Is this a Judgement or reality? Those of us who are saved are saved by grace. If I was born on November North Korea, the probability of me being an atheist is more than 99.99%. Therefore, I have no reason of feeling superior. But the sick need to know they are sick: for all who are saved were once sick too. The first and necessary step to healing is acknowledgement of sickness. The gospel is a message to those who are sick for hope unto healing and permanent health. Please do not forget that people arrive at atheism through various routes. Some logically, some emotionally and some by default. It doesn't matter for the sick and s sick irrespective of how. If judgement exist for the spiritually sick and I know the healer, it would be immoral to keep my mouth shut |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by shadeyinka(m): 2:35pm On Oct 31, 2019 |
budaatum:Let me ask you a practical question. 1. How does one project Gods love and plan of salvation to one who voraciously oppose His knowledge. (Especially on a forum like NL) 2. How can one point a sin and not sound as being judgemental? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by shadeyinka(m): 2:57pm On Oct 31, 2019 |
budaatum:At a point, one crosses from just believing to knowing: Just as Faith is a trust in the integrity of the one you know (not believing) Of Couse, Buda shouldn't be one of them! Is there not a difference between a Warner and a Judge? A warner can talk but he doesn't have the power to detain A judge on the other hand has the power to detain a person with the punisher 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by Nobody: 10:43am On Nov 01, 2019 |
Phenomenalola: I acknowledge your earlier comment but I'm not so sure about your unification idea concerning God. Just be careful so that you don't end up, joining together what God has put asunder. God bless. |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by Phenomenalola: 11:55am On Nov 01, 2019 |
G jesusjnr:Can you kindly tell what God has put assunder? |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by budaatum: 3:25pm On Nov 01, 2019 |
shadeyinka:My attempt at a response is here. |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by dalaman: 11:27pm On Nov 01, 2019 |
CaveAdullam: This is totally false. What keeps people in check is security, betraying trust, fear of loosing allies and friends, bridge of trust and the shame that might follow when they mess up and loss of respect in the eyes of other people. If people know that they will get away with doing bad they will do bad. God has nothing to do with it. People do NOT fear God, what people fear is getting caught and the things associated with being caught. People do not fear God that is why priests abuse and defile kids inside churches. . Pastors defraud church members etc. . No society can be built on the basis of God alone.You need law enforcement to keep people in check . That is what makes a society stable not God. Take away law enforcement and see how all societies will degenerate into chaos. Nigeria is far more religious than England but Nigeria is more dangerous and far more chaotic than England because of law enforcement. England has a far better system of law enforcement than Nigeria and is a better society despite Nigeria being far more religious . Your statement is demonstrably false . Religion has its own laws and punishments, and as a result of that the society won't plummet into an eternal state of chaos. This is just an empty religious claim and no society has ever been built on it and can ever be built on it. You need to keep people in check using other means not God. God has never been used to hold any society, after all it was in God's name that slavery, wars and conquest were faught. Please, calm down and wait for that day. Dawkins is wrong, China has majority of its citizens as atheists. It has far less crime than Nigeria. About 60% of Chinese do not believe in God, that makes it the country with the highest number of atheist in the world but China has far far far less crime than Nigeria which has about 97% of its citizens believe in God. In Sweden about 60% of its citizens also do not believe in God yet their crime rate is far less than that of Nigeria or Somalia where about 97%of the people believe in God. His claim is false. . Demonstrably false. . 4 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by Nobody: 2:38pm On Nov 02, 2019 |
Phenomenalola:Light and darkness, Truth and lies, Good and evil etc. |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by dalaman: 6:52pm On Nov 02, 2019 |
shadeyinka: All these things have rational basis that have nothing to do with religion. . .Religion itself has advocated for so many evil things. You can't abide by majority of the old testament and also many new testament commandments because you will be jailed or labelled a bad person |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by shadeyinka(m): 7:28pm On Nov 02, 2019 |
dalaman:You should have answered the questions by giving objective reasonings: Why should adultery be wrong? Why should nudity be an offence? Why should bestiality be immoral? |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by dalaman: 2:09am On Nov 03, 2019 |
shadeyinka: You haven't provided ANY "objective"reasons why they are wrong. Your reason will be that God says they are wrong. But that isn't an objective reason. It's just saying that they are wrong because you are told they are wrong not because you've been able to see any objective reason yourself. . . |
| Re: Atheist Richard Dawkins: Getting Rid Of God Would Make World Less Moral by shadeyinka(m): 3:41am On Nov 03, 2019 |
dalaman:Exactly! I didn't know you were that smart. Like, fornication is a sin because I was told it's a sin (even though I also know that it is for my protection). At least, I have my source of morality: what's your's? Objective reasonings? 2 Likes 1 Share |
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