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dipson4u08:
PHYSICS NO GO KEE U...

TOO MUCH BOOK IN YOUR HEAD....

KIKIKIKIKIKIKIKI.....

I sense an atheist on this one

jesusjnr:
John who was the closest disciple to Jesus put this better:

John 12:4-8 (KJV)


4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

So point of correction, it was not the disciples that said that, but just one of them.

Secondly, he said that not because he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief and was the one who kept the bag.

As for your Op question, the reason Jesus said that was because poverty wasn't in the beginning when God made man but man chose it by his freewill.

So poverty would always be there even after Jesus dies for man's sins, since it would take for man's freewill to partake of His salvation combined with the fact that most men are not willing to do what it takes to be saved.

But in an ideal setting where all men had of their own free will met the requirement of salvation, the poor would no longer be there, because everything would have been reversed back to the way it was in the beginning where there was no poverty.

God bless.

we may have disagreed about West, but you're okay so far.

TechCapon:
thanks for the excellent explanation.

Thank God bro.

I was still trying to put it all together at that point.

You made an excellent point concerning many pastors today not telling their members the Truth.

Thank you for that. God bless.

BRATISLAVA:
we may have disagreed about West, but you're okay so far.

Lol! We don't have to agree on everything.

Simple meaning.

"There will always be an opportunity to give "

Not the other way round

What Jesus meant was that you must render the honour and worship due to God at all occassion without second thought. In this instance he was physically walking the earth hence he knew those around him were privileged to have that presence. Nothing else could matter more. On a wider note, he also implied that till he returns to the earth to render to each man according to his/her deed, the unjust system we live in will always breed poor people, many not due to their own fault. For those who have in abundance, helping those who do not have will be the basis of their judgement because wealth in any form is from God. Those whom he gives it to are only holding it in trust. We will account for our stewardship

jesusjnr:
Yeah! Right Inside of Bible which contains the Word of God!

In the "word of god" there is no knowing which portions are errors and which are not!

izzou:
I think you're taking that verse out of its context

Jesus was saying, in relation to TIME, his was shorter compared to the poor which his disciple suggested. She could still use the oil to help the poor(that will always be available), unlike him, that will be gone soon

Your explaination is right, Jesus meant time, Op is going out of context but his explanation is also right, because there will always be poor people financially till this world end, spiritually own na you and God be that

What He meant is that everyone will be rich if all things are equal.

izzou:
I think you're taking that verse out of its context

Jesus was saying, in relation to TIME, his was shorter compared to the poor which his disciple suggested. She could still use the oil to help the poor(that will always be available), unlike him, that will be gone soon

Yes u’re right bro

Edyice:
Everyone can't be rich .

If everyone is rich , everyone will be comfortable


That's what pastor failed to teach

Some pastor only don't study their Bible to teach the truth , if you teach the truth your church will be empty

Most people can't handle the truth .. but it always good to say the truth.

You made some valid points...

Inasmuch people are wont to blame pastors, I think the congregation should shoulder most of the blame.

Most people have itching ears and only want to be told what they want to hear if when it is manifestly inimical to their well-being.

Let's stop blaming pastors and hold people accountable for preferring falsehood in lieu of the truth.

No pastor puts a gun to your neck to divorce rationality...

izzou:
I think you're taking that verse out of its context

Jesus was saying, in relation to TIME, his was shorter compared to the poor which his disciple suggested. She could still use the oil to help the poor(that will always be available), unlike him, that will be gone soon

exactly my thought

Jesus meant that they would always see the poor to help, but he won't be around always, because he wud soon leave them..... So the lady sud use the oil on him now that she can, as for the poor, she can always help them any other time.

Deuteronomy 15:11
For there will never cease to be poor in the land, that is why I am commanding you to open wide your hand to your brother and to the poor and needy in your land.

jesusjnr:
Thank God bro.

I was still trying to put it all together at that point.

You made an excellent point concerning many pastors today not telling their members the Truth.

Thank you for that. God bless.

thank you. God bless you

generationz:
In our modern is an answer to those who preach against tithing.

What exactly is the essence of tithing and offerings: to support the church administration.
You won't sit on the floor when you walk in, you want constant light, a good sound system, pastor to preach from a full belly, churches to carry out outreaches, the floors to be clean, the church to be tiled, the church to not be built with wood and palm fronds but you don't want to support with a percentage of your income as offering or tithe.

You want to be impacted by a man's years of stay, research, prayer fasting, etc but you don't want to drop something as a token of appreciation.

What do freeze and other anti tithers say:

I'll rather give my tithe to the poor than give the church/ pastor.

Well, I'm here to tell you, the poor you will always have with you.

It doesn't matter if you sell all your investments to feed them there will still be poor people around. In fact, the people you give capital today to start life might squander it and remain poor. Those you send to school might remain poor because of bad decisions.

You don't rob Peter to pay paul. You should also give unto cease what is Ceasars and to God what is God's.

Why not have a percentage for helping people out of your income and that for supporting the ministry.

I agree that some churches and pastors are thieves and wolves in sheep clothing. What you must do is find a church where you see the church uses the money for development and not just to enrich the pastors.

Also, if a man of Gods teaching imparts your life it is your obligation to give him a token.

Giving that token to the poor won't eradicate poverty all of a sudden. Why?

Because the poor you will always have with you.

God bless.

Be careful with this "another gospel" you are trying to off-handedly project.

Salvation and giving to the poor are central to Jesus message. Take out time to read Matthew 25: 31-46.

You don't smuggle meanings and views to the Bible . 2Peter 1:20. Political correctness has no place in the Bible.

Giving is an obligation for all believers provided it is done cheerfully and willingly. (see 2 Corinthians. 9: 6-9).

jesusjnr:
John who was the closest disciple to Jesus put this better:

John 12:4-8 (KJV)


4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
7 Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

So point of correction, it was not the disciples that said that, but just one of them.

Secondly, he said that not because he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief and was the one who kept the bag.

As for your Op question, the reason Jesus said that was because poverty wasn't in the beginning when God made man but man chose it by his freewill.

So poverty would always be there even after Jesus dies for man's sins, since it would take for man's freewill to partake of His salvation combined with the fact that most men are not willing to do what it takes to be saved.

But in an ideal setting where all men had of their own free will met the requirement of salvation, the poor would no longer be there, because everything would have been reversed back to the way it was in the beginning where there was no poverty.

God bless.

liar liar pants on fire

kkins25:
liar liar pants on fire

Lol!

How you dey?

So what's the truth?

There is a level of civilization that we will reach wherein poverty will end globally.

TechCapon:
Seriously as Christians, we need to study our Bible and learn things for ourselves because there are so many things pastors will refuse to teach us in church and even if they do they won't elaborate on it.
I was reading my Bible this morning and came Matthew 26 when Jesus was in Bethany and a woman came and pour an expensive ointment on his head, the disciples Judas Iscariot complained that she was wasting the oil that it should be sold and the money given to the poor instead.

Mathew 26:9
This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor."

Jesus responded and said something very striking.
Mathew 26:9-11

“Why criticize this woman for doing such a good thing to me?You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me."

What did Jesus mean by that?

Did he mean that poverty is a phenomenon that will always be in the world forever?

If so, why are pastors always preaching prosperity? Why are they not telling their members the truth?

Bible experts please explain because pastors hardly preach about this particular scripture.

I'm not sure what more explanation is needed, we will always have poor people in the world. Matthew 11:5 Jesus said the poor hear the good news, good news to a poor man is that he doesn't have to be poor, that's the prosperity message. We also need to understand that poverty occurs as a result of low productivity, so the message of prosperity is meant to spark the productivity catalyst.
It's one thing to hear the message of prosperity, it's another thing to work on productivity, so Jesus is implying that those who don't work on increasing their productivity level will always be poor. But those who accept the prosperity message by working on their productivity level will beat poverty.

The problem I have with some pastors is that they don't tell the poor the complete prosperity message, yes it's good to give but no wise farmer gives away his seed yam. We need to encourage the poor to use their little resources to create goods and services it's from the profit that they are meant to give generously. The poor are constantly told to give seed that they are meant to plant and asked to pray that harvest comes, but only thieves harvest where they don't plant.
I strongly believe that the church is the key to ending poverty in this nation is the church.

izzou:
I think you're taking that verse out of its context

Jesus was saying, in relation to TIME, his was shorter compared to the poor which his disciple suggested. She could still use the oil to help the poor(that will always be available), unlike him, that will be gone soon

you are right but this is the literal meaning of what the op Is talking about.

izzou:
I think you're taking that verse out of its context

Jesus was saying, in relation to TIME, his was shorter compared to the poor which his disciple suggested. She could still use the oil to help the poor(that will always be available), unlike him, that will be gone soon

Exactly, what he said has nothing to do with prosperity.

emmabest2000:
The word POOR in that statement represent HUMBLE ! It’s only those who are in spirit will understand the real meaning of the statement !

Easy man.
Easy.
Poor doesn't mean humble.
Means the helpless, the downtrodden etc

izzou:
I think you're taking that verse out of its context

Jesus was saying, in relation to TIME, his was shorter compared to the poor which his disciple suggested. She could still use the oil to help the poor(that will always be available), unlike him, that will be gone soon

Great

I have 3 answers to this question out of which 2 similar answers have been provided. The 1st reason is that Jesus was about to leave but the poor wouldn't be leaving soon so, the poor you will always have in your midst. 2ndly, Christ knew it takes time to eradicate poverty so, until poverty is eradicated, the poor you will always in your midst. Finally, the main reason, Christ made that statement is that some people will be voluntary poor. This is the main reason why poverty cannot be completely eradicated. What does it mean to be voluntary poor? That is a story for another day. Say Amen!

Yes everything has stages, someone can be poor because he hasn't reached the stage of being rich; at that stage he is poor among us.

Everyone can't be in same stage, some can get to stage of richness in generations to come

Deutronomy 15: 11 there will always be some isrealites who are poor and in need. It is indubitable that poor people will always be among us. Poverty is a result of disobedience Deuteronomy 15:4[/color] ...not one of your people will be poor if you obey him and carefully observe everything that I command you today.[color=#000000]

izzou:
I think you're taking that verse out of its context

Jesus was saying, in relation to TIME, his was shorter compared to the poor which his disciple suggested. She could still use the oil to help the poor(that will always be available), unlike him, that will be gone soon

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Exactly the point

izzou:
I think you're taking that verse out of its context

Jesus was saying, in relation to TIME, his was shorter compared to the poor which his disciple suggested. She could still use the oil to help the poor(that will always be available), unlike him, that will be gone soon

✓ correct

The past months, I have been thinking of the reason for our existence here on earth and I found out there are only 2. To love God and to love our Neoghnours. Now what does loving one’s neighbour means. It means your neighbor may make the wrong choices in life and it is our duty to guide them back to Christ. Making does wrong choices will cause some to lack. God sometimes make some in need because we will not take any of our needs to heaven. The sole aim is heaven. Because of the lack and need that some persons are destined to have and some have due to our their choices, it is our responsibilities as Christina to always consider these ones. There will always be poor and most needy amongst us