plaindealer:


Self explanatory, but let me give you just 2 highlights.

1. Do you have at least 1 influential, Nationally relevant and presidential quality political leader in the SE capable of winning any presidential election in Nigeria?

2. With all your PDP love, support and votes after so many elections, why is it still so difficult for the PDP to zone the presidency to the SE? Why?

Let's start from here.

1.yes we do
2.as for 2023.The SE are not interested in contesting.The PDP ticket is going to the north

raumdeuter:


He lost his re-election like APC people promised him and he has been thrown into irrelevance with Dino and Onnoghen

Nope APC boasted he will be removed as senate president

PaChukwudi44:


Nope APC boasted he will be removed as senate president

APC planned Otoge for him. Otoge was simply to root him out from his homebase. And was achieved

PaChukwudi44:


Go and ask my brothers who you said called them betrayers

I said it. You're just super wise for your own good.

Spits.

Nowenuse:


Plateau my state voted an APC governor in 2015 & 2019 but Buhari has never won elections there.

In 2011, Nasarawa state voted for Buhari's boy (Almakura) as a governor under CPC which was not even famous then, yet in that same 2011 & 2015, Buhari lost presidential elections in Nasarawa state.

Just as the OP PaChukwudi44 is saying. There is no direct relationship between the governor's party and national elections/the people's sentiments.

Bayelsa electing an APC candidate does not necessarily mean the Ijaws and Yorubas are now allies.

The only advantage a sitting governor from that party can do is to help in rigging that state's presidential election votes to a certain extent.

Can you see the confusion in your post? The bolded part says a sitting governor will help his presidential candidate rig election to a certain extent.

That is exactly the plan. You would agree with me that if Lyon performs well in Bayelsa and made impact before 2023, no matter who APC fields, they will get at least 40% of votes in Bayelsa.

That is the plan. The plan is not to win SS in its majority but the APc plan is to reduce the vote margin such that the effect of the SS bloc against APC will be minimal.

Isn’t that also the reason why Buhari won in 2019? SS failed to deliver that much bloc vote they delivered in 2015, and that nailed the coffin of Atiku.

They know that APC's victory in Bayelsa was more of personalities than parties, but because they have to look for the small grounds to destroy the SESS bloc which has been a source of sleepless nights for SW as they know the implication it is for their SW presidential ambition going forward to 2023, they keep lying to themselves.

They feel they can capitalize on APC victory in Bayelsa to claim 'SS hates SE and loves SW', so they can sleep better at night. My yoruba brothers are great in the art of self-delusion.

Even within themselves they know SESS bloc will still vote as one in 2023 and definitely not for SW at the presidentials in 2023 and it worries them badly. Unfortunately for them, Bayelsa won't be having Governorship election in 2023, so the bandwagon effect will still not help a SW presidential candidate.

Even Edo that is 100% APC controlled from top to bottom and closer to yorubas in culture and location was won by PDP in the 2019 presidential elections early this year. Fact!

Campaign experts will still remind Bayelsans that SW denied their son a second tenure and David Lyon won't be able to anything about than as it is the truth. Nobody will kill and snatch ballot boxes for any party that field a SWner in the SESS region in 2023.

PaChukwudi44:
I still cant fathom how exactly the victory of APC's candidate David Lyon in the hust concluded Bayelsa Governorship election translate into a political alliance between the SS/SW.
I have seen supposed SW monikers jubilating and mocking the igbos claiming that the SS has moved on and has now decided to go into a political alliance with them on account of this just concluded election.Maybe someone should educate me if I am missing something.Was a political meeting convened between the two regions that I am unaware of? How exactly did this monikers arrive by this conclusion.

NOT SO, THE STRONG HOLD OF PDP REMAINS THE SS/SE.

APGA HAS ONE STATE IN SE AND APC HAS TWO STATES IN SS.

NOW, AFTER BUHARI TENURE REMAINING TWO AND HALF YEARS TIME, COUNTING FROM 2020, I GUARANTEE U, APC CANNOT HOLD THOSE TWO SS STATES.

WE SAW WAT HAPPENED IN IMO.

THIS IS A TEMPORARY SET BACK, AHEAD OF 2023. WE CAN TOLERATE THAT.

MAKE WE DEY MOVE ON THEY GO, BAYELSA IS GOOD.

WE KNOW INEC DID SOME RIGGING TOO, SO LET US SEE WAT HAPPENS IN TWO AND HALF YEARS TIME.

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omenka:
I said it. You're just super wise for your own good.

Spits.

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you're a disgusting bigot
grow up dude

omenka:
I said it. You're just super wise for your own good.

.

Can you point to anywhere that says Yorubas have a problem with being considered betrayers?

LabDNA:
They know that APC's victory in Bayelsa was more of personalities than parties, but because they have to look for the small grounds to destroy the SESS bloc which has been a source of sleepless nights for SW as they know the implication it is for their SW presidential ambition going forward to 2023, they keep lying to themselves.

They feel they can capitalize on APC victory in Bayelsa to claim 'SS hates SE and loves SW', so they can sleep better at night. My yoruba brothers are great in the art of self-delusion.

Even within themselves they know SESS bloc will still vote as one in 2023 and definitely not for SW at the presidentials in 2023 and it worries them badly. Unfortunately for them, Bayelsa won't be having Governorship election in 2023, so the bandwagon effect will still not help a SW presidential candidate.

Even Edo that is 100% APC controlled from top to bottom and closer to yorubas in culture and location was won by PDP in the 2019 presidential elections early this year. Fact!

Campaign experts will still remind Bayelsans that SW denied their son a second tenure and David Lyon won't be able to anything about than as it is the truth. Nobody will kill and snatch ballot boxes for any party that field a SWner in the SESS region in 2023.

Lol, wake up and smell the coffee. Even in 2019, APC made an inroad into SS with Buhari as the candidate. Now tell me why Osinbajo a christain with the backing of the federal might won't make better inroad into the SS if APC fields him as their presidential candidate in 2023.

To refresh your memory this is the result of 2019 presidential election in the SS:
Bayelsa - APC: 118,821 PDP: 197,933
Edo - APC: 267,842 PDP: 275,691
Delta- APC: 221,292 PDP: 594,068
Akwa Ibom- APC: 175,429 PDP: 395,832
RIvers- APC: 150,710 PDP: 473,971
Cross-River - APC: 117,302 PDP: 295,737

Can you see the margin is lesser as against the 2015 election results? Don't you think the margin will be more lesser when PDP fields another Northerner in 2023 as some guys are murmuring within PDP?

LegendHero:


Lol, wake up and smell the coffee. Even in 2019, APC made an inroad into SS with Buhari as the candidate. Now tell me why Osinbajo a christain with the backing of the federal might won't make better inroad into the SS if APC fields him as their presidential candidate in 2023.

To refresh your memory this is the result of 2019 presidential election in the SS:
Bayelsa - APC: 118,821 PDP: 197,933
Edo - APC: 267,842 PDP: 275,691
Delta- APC: 221,292 PDP: 594,068
Akwa Ibom- APC: 175,429 PDP: 395,832
RIvers- APC: 150,710 PDP: 473,971
Cross-River - APC: 117,302 PDP: 295,737

Can you see the margin is lesser as against the 2015 election results? Don't you think the margin will be more lesser when PDP fields another Northerner in 2023 as some guys are murmuring within PDP?

Stop sugarcoating issues to feel alright?
Did APC lose in Edo or not?
I expected APC to win resoundingly in Edo since the national chairman of APC is from there but Oshiomhole lost there can you tell us why?

Yet you want us to believe APC will win Bayelsa during next presidential even with lesser influence than what Oshio has in Edo?
I won't be surprised Lyon himself will vote for PDP if APC fields a SWner in 2023.

Facts remains that at the presidential level, SESS bloc remains intact. At the state level the dynamics may change due to personalities, Godfatherism and in other interests.

PaChukwudi44:


The fact remains that Buhari got his majority votes and 25% of the 2/3 states without the SW.If there was any region that was not needed in the last eelction that will be the SW

What's what PMB got from the SW or not got to do with the fact that the SW is APC, the ruling and controlling party in Nigeria, the same party that just swiped Bayelsa from the PDP?

Or your irrelevant rubbish changed the fact that the SW is the major direct beneficiary of their alliance with the APC in terms of FG projects, infrastructures, programs, policies and major federal positions?

Where are you today in Nigeria against the SW? You are far far behind.

It's all about political smarts, credible strategies, fruitful alliances and strong sense of direction and purpose, these are the qualities that you lack in the SE because tribalism, petty hatred and poor sense of direction and political leadership are the tools of your social and political trades.

Fact is, instead of formulating your own credible social and political narratives, you use and look up to the SW to obsess over and measure your relevance and future ambition.

Get over your SW obsession and work on your poor social and political relevance in Nigeria.

LabDNA:


Stop sugarcoating issues to feel alright?
Did APC lose in Edo or not?
I expected APC to win resoundingly in Edo since the national chairman of APC is from there but Oshiomhole lost there can you tell us why?

Yet you want us to believe APC will win Bayelsa during next presidential even with lesser than influence than what Oshio has in Edo?
I won't be surprised Lyon himself will vote for PDP if APC fields a SWner in 2023.

Facts remains that at the presidentials level, SESS bloc remains intact. At the state level the dynamics may change due to personalities, Godfatherism and in other interests.

You are talking like someone that do NOT understand politics and how it works. It is a fallacy that the SS gives bloc vote to the PDP, that is not the case anymore since 2019. You can clearly see that Bayelsa result was APC: 118,821 PDP: 197,933 even in 2019 without an APC governor. Remember Bayelsa is the seat of the past Nigerian president and the animosity of the people against anything APC and Buhari should be much.

Why did Bayelsa people give APC 118,821 votes in 2019 for Buhari as against 197,933 for PDP? Stop mentioning bloc vote if you don't understand what that meant.

This is how elections are won in Nigeria:
Reduce the effect of any bloc vote in the opposition parties region. (Meaning let the election result be at most 30% difference)
Reduce free and fair election and cancel vote of constituencies that you know you will record high vote.
Make sure voters turnout are low in opposition strongholds by frustrating registration process, and creating fear in people before election.
Checkmate the effect of high valid vote by colluding with INEC to write less figures in your opposition strongholds.

I still stand on my last word, the SS will vote APC more with a Christain Osibanjo on the ticket that they would vote a Muslim Buhari. That is a fact!

LabDNA:


Stop sugarcoating issues to feel alright?
Did APC lose in Edo or not?
I expected APC to win resoundingly in Edo since the national chairman of APC is from there but Oshiomhole lost there can you tell us why?

Yet you want us to believe APC will win Bayelsa during next presidential even with lesser than influence than what Oshio has in Edo?
I won't be surprised Lyon himself will vote for PDP if APC fields a SWner in 2023.

Facts remains that at the presidentials level, SESS bloc remains intact. At the state level the dynamics may change due to personalities, Godfatherism and in other interests.

I never said APC will win Bayelsa in a presidential election. What I said is that the margin will be too close to make any difference. That is exactly the reason why I say block vote for PDP in the SS since 2019 is a hoax.

PDP power to amass bloc vote in the SS died after the 2015 election. Wake up and face the truth.

LegendHero:


You are talking like someone that do NOT understand politics and how it works. It is a fallacy that the SS gives bloc vote to the PDP, that is not the case anymore since 2019. You can clearly see that Bayelsa result was APC: 118,821 PDP: 197,933 even in 2019 without an APC governor. Remember Bayelsa is the seat of the past Nigerian president and the animosity of the people against anything APC and BUhari sgould be much.

Why did Bayelsa people give APC 118,821 votes in 2019 for Buhari as against 197,933 for PDP? Stop mention bloc vote if you don't understand what that meant.

This is how elections are won in Nigeria:
Reduce the effect of any bloc vote in the opposition parties region. (Meaning let the election result be at most 30% difference)
Reduce free and fair election and cancel vote pf constituencies that you know you will record low vote.
Make sure voters turnout are low by frustrating registration process, and creating fear in people before election.
Checkmate the effect of high turnout by colluding with INEC to write less figures at your opposition stronghold.

I still stand on my last word, the SS will vote APC more with a Christain Osibanjo on the ticket that they would vote a Muslim Buhari. That is a fact!

The campaign slogan of 'na yoruba people comot our son for office' in Bayelsa and other SS states will effectively kill whatever hope you have of Osinbajo grabbing any reasonable votes.
Same osibanjo who even lost his own polling unit in 2019?

Let Osinbajo survive the onslaught of the cabal first before talking about APC ticket.

The SW burnt it's bridge with SS the day they helped to humiliate a SS presidency out of office in 2015. That bridge remains burnt except you want to deceive yourself with Lyon's victory.

PaChukwudi44:


1.yes we do

Who? Please, give us a name and the person's current political position and relevance in Nigeria

2.as for 2023.The SE are not interested in contesting.[quote]

Why is the SE not interested? Because the SE is irrelevant and they don't have any serious or credible candidate with enough national stature and political power to win any election, that's why

The PDP ticket is going to the north

Of course, zoning anything to the SE is political suicide and as stated above, you don't have any credible or politically relevant politician in the SE to foster.

Abeg stop making my point for me.

PaChukwudi44:
I still cant fathom how exactly the victory of APC's candidate David Lyon in the hust concluded Bayelsa Governorship election translate into a political alliance between the SS/SW.
I have seen supposed SW monikers jubilating and mocking the igbos claiming that the SS has moved on and has now decided to go into a political alliance with them on account of this just concluded election.Maybe someone should educate me if I am missing something.Was a political meeting convened between the two regions that I am unaware of? How exactly did this monikers arrive by this conclusion.

PaChukwudi44 has finally regained his voice

LabDNA:


The campaign slogan of 'na yoruba people comot our son for office' in Bayelsa and other SS states will effectively kill whatever hope you have of Osinbajo grabbing any reasonable votes.
Same osibanjo who even lost his own polling unit in 2019?

Let Osinbajo survive the onslaught of the cabal first before talking about APC ticket.

The SW burnt it's bridge with SS the day they helped to humiliate a SS presidency out of office in 2015. That bridge remains burnt except you want to deceive yourself with Lyon's victory.

Stop crying over spilt milk bro and face reality. Jonathan himself already forgave APC and he supported an APC candidate (Lyon) in the last election openly. The SS people are not hateful like you people, and they have moved on.

Lyon visited Tinubu yesterday and he called him his leader. If Lyon performs well before 2023, he will be used as the poster APC boy to make inroads into the SS and they will vote a Yoruba candidate. An Osinbajo will have at least 35% of the vote in the SS if PDP fields a Muslim northerner.

The usual phrase of Yoruba betrayed Jonathan in 2015 is not selling anymore, the SS people are more wiser and even Jonathan already moved on. If the SE'ners think they can continue to sow the seed of hatred among the SW/SS then they are just deceiving themselves.

I love that pics of Lyon, Dickson and Jagaban. It mean a lot for the alliance coming up soon. You will clearly see things unfold before 2023.

PaChukwudi44:


1.yes we do
2.as for 2023.The SE are not interested in contesting.The PDP ticket is going to the north

....and hope you won't come blackmailing and accusing others for not giving the slot in both APC and PDP.

I think the APC should invest more in the SS than other region. They should make sure they lure the bigwigs in the SS into their fold before 2023.

Why should the APC be placating the SE when the SS always record more voters than the SE.

If APC fields a Yoruba, it is better to ally with a SS'ner and deploy all necessary machinery than trying to solicit the Igbo votes
If PDP fields an Igbo, then the North will murder the party themselves by voting against an Igbos.

In this game of SW vs SE, the Igbos will still lose both way. It is sad but that is the reality!

LegendHero:


Stop crying over spilt milk bro and face reality. Jonathan himself already forgave APC and he supported an APC candidate (Lyon) in the last election openly. The SS people are not hateful like you people, and they have moved on.

Lyon visited Tinubu yesterday and he called him his leader. If Lyon performs well before 2023, he will be used as the poster APC boy to make inroads into the SS and they will vote a Yoruba candidate. An Osinbajo will have at least 35% of the vote in the SS if PDP fields a Muslim northerner.

The usual phrase of Yoruba betrayed Jonathan in 2015 is not selling anymore, the SS people are more wiser and even Jonathan already moved on. If the SE'ners think they can continue to sow the seed of hatred among the SW/SS then they are just deceiving themselves.

I love that pics of Lyon, Dickson and Jagaban. It mean a lot for the alliance coming up soon. You will clearly see things unfold before 2023.

There have never been a alliance between the SW and SS, so there is no division to create. Enlarging Tinubu and Lyon's picture on billboards on the streets of yenagoa in 2023 campaign won't gather votes for you.

Edo did it with Oshio and Buhari this year, PDP still won the state.

LabDNA:
They know that APC's victory in Bayelsa was more of personalities than parties, but because they have to look for the small grounds to destroy the SESSSE bloc which has been a source of sleepless nights for SW as they know the implication it is for their SW presidential ambition going forward to 2023, they keep lying to themselves.

They feel they can capitalize on APC victory in Bayelsa to claim 'SS hates SE and loves SW', so they can sleep better at night. My yoruba brothers are great in the art of self-delusion.

Even within themselves they know SESS bloc will still vote as one in 2023 and definitely not for SW at the presidentials in 2023 and it worries them badly. Unfortunately for them, Bayelsa won't be having Governorship election in 2023, so the bandwagon effect will still not help a SW presidential candidate.

Even Edo that is 100% APC controlled from top to bottom and closer to yorubas in culture and location was won by PDP in the 2019 presidential elections early this year. Fact!

Campaign experts will still remind Bayelsans that SW denied their son a second tenure and David Lyon won't be able to anything about than as it is the truth. Nobody will kill and snatch ballot boxes for any party that field a SWner in the SESSSE region in 2023.

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Area4Area:
Attaché by force by fire

You don Shout am 1000 times. E no change anything for 2011, e nor change for 2015, e nor change for 2019.

Me and you know say e nor go still change anything for 2023..

hammerVJ:


NOT SO, THE STRONG HOLD OF PDP REMAINS THE SS/SE.

APGA HAS ONE STATE IN SE AND APC HAS TWO STATES IN SS.

NOW, AFTER BUHARI TENURE REMAINING TWO AND HALF YEARS TIME, COUNTING FROM 2020, I GUARANTEE U, APC CANNOT HOLD THOSE TWO SS STATES.

WE SAW WAT HAPPENED IN IMO.

THIS IS A TEMPORARY SET BACK, AHEAD OF 2023. WE CAN TOLERATE THAT.

Attaché by fire by force

LegendHero:


Stop crying over spilt milk bro and face reality. Jonathan himself already forgave APC and he supported an APC candidate (Lyon) in the last election openly. The SS people are not hateful like you people, and they have moved on.

Lyon visited Tinubu yesterday and he called him his leader. If Lyon performs well before 2023, he will be used as the poster APC boy to make inroads into the SS and they will vote a Yoruba candidate. An Osinbajo will have at least 35% of the vote in the SS if PDP fields a Muslim northerner.

The usual phrase of Yoruba betrayed Jonathan in 2015 is not selling anymore, the SS people are more wiser and even Jonathan already moved on. If the SE'ners think they can continue to sow the seed of hatred among the SW/SS then they are just deceiving themselves.

I love that pics of Lyon, Dickson and Jagaban. It mean a lot for the alliance coming up soon. You will clearly see things unfold before 2023.

They are crying more than Jonathan the guy who was defeated

These people are always emotional

LegendHero:
I think the APC should invest more in the SS than other region. They should make sure they lure the bigwigs in the SS into their fold before 2023.

Why should the APC be placating the SE when the SS always record more voters than the SE.

If APC fields a Yoruba, it is better to ally with a SS'ner and deploy all necessary machinery than trying to solicit the Igbo votes
If PDP fields an Igbo, then the North will murder the party themselves by voting against an Igbos.

In this game of SW vs SE, the Igbos will still lose both way. It is sad but that is the reality!

The APC plan for South South is to have a APC governor in Edo and Bayelsa which will deliver upwards of 45% votes for the party
I will suggest flying Omo Agege as governorship candidate in Delta which would bring another 40%
Rivers the way Wike has been playing recently I wont be surprised if he remains neutral or mend fences with Amaechi and even decamp to APC
CrossRiver- Akwa Ibom is to use the influence of Akpabio and NDDC

By the time the 2023 election is over APC could have 40-45% of SS votes, 80% of SW votes, 60% of NC votes, 60% of NW votes. Let the 5% people keep their votes

LabDNA:


There have never been a alliance between the SW and SS, so there is no division to create. Enlarging Tinubu and Lyon's picture on billboards on the streets of yenagoa in 2023 campaign won't gather votes for you.

Edo did it with Oshio and Buhari this year, PDP still won the state.

I keep lecturing you about the main goals of a party in opposition strongholds and yet you keep denying the truth.

APC never said they will win the SS, what they said is reducing the margin of votes in the SS such that no state will deliver a bloc vote for the PDP. They are successful in 2019 which was part of why Atiku lost.

PDP also tried doing the same thing in the NW & NE, the know Buhari will win election but they thought Kwakwanso and Tambuwal will reduce the vote margin of Buhari in those states. They failed woefully coz Buhari won Katsina, Kano, Zamfara, Kebbi, Borno, Yobe, Bauchi etc. with bloc vote and that made Atiku lost that election.

Stop shouting Edo Edo Edo, face the reality of the SS as a whole. Even in Edo, the result is almost 50%-50% between APC and PDP.

LabDNA:


Stop sugarcoating issues to feel alright?
Did APC lose in Edo or not?
I expected APC to win resoundingly in Edo since the national chairman of APC is from there but Oshiomhole lost there can you tell us why?

Yet you want us to believe APC will win Bayelsa during next presidential even with lesser than influence than what Oshio has in Edo?
I won't be surprised Lyon himself will vote for PDP if APC fields a SWner in 2023.

Facts remains that at the presidentials level, SESS bloc remains intact. At the state level the dynamics may change due to personalities, Godfatherism and in other interests.

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raumdeuter:


These people are always emotional

The APC plan for South South is to have a APC governor in Edo and Bayelsa which will deliver upwards of 45% votes for the party
I will suggest flying Omo Agege as governorship candidate in Delta which would bring another 40%
Rivers the way Wike has been playing recently I wont be surprised if he remains neutral or mend fences with Amaechi and even decamp to APC
CrossRiver- Akwa Ibom is to use the influence of Akpabio and NDDC

By the time the 2023 election is over APC could have 40-45% of SS votes, 80% of SW votes, 60% of NC votes, 60% of NW votes. Let the 5% people keep their votes

Oil dey your head. They know the truth, they just have this ego of not accepting the fact especially when they are on the wrong trend.

APC should invest all the can in the election of the SS governors or rep from now on, the should lure any bigwig that they can get and make sure they reduce any powerful effect of PDP amassing a bloc vote in 2023. Even if APC could get 40% of the vote in the in 2023, that is still a success story.

mind you, the SS is more important than the SE in terms ov voter registration and turnout. SE is so inconsequential that they can even be ignored totally by any party.

LegendHero:


Can you see the confusion in your post? The bolded part says a sitting governor will help his presidential candidate rig election to a certain extent.

That is exactly the plan. You would agree with me that if Lyon performs well in Bayelsa and made impact before 2023, no matter who APC fields, they will get at least 40% of votes in Bayelsa.

That is the plan. The plan is not to win SS in its majority but the APc plan is to reduce the vote margin such that the effect of the SS bloc against APC will be minimal.

Isn’t that also the reason why Buhari won in 2019? SS failed to deliver that much bloc vote they delivered in 2015, and that nailed the coffin of Atiku.

Bad news for you. Bayelsa state has the lowest and the most insignificant votes in the SS.
Rivers, Delta & Ak Ibom have 70-75% of the voters in the SS.

Just for the records, there was massive rigging in favour of APC in the 2019 presidential elections even in states that were controlled by PDP governors.

Nowenuse:


Bad news for you. Bayelsa state has the lowest and the most insignificant votes in the SS.
Rivers, Delta & Ak Ibom have 70-75% of the voters in the SS.

Just for the records, there was massive rigging in favour of APC in the 2019 presidential elections even in states that were controlled by PDP governors.

Tell me one election that there is no massive rigging since 2003.

Check the voter turnout and result of the PDP in Rivers in 2015 and compare it with the 2019 RIvers voter turnout and result.

The PDP wrote results for themselves in 2015 in Rivers such that the devil himself will be confused as to how Rivers delivered that much vote.

Note: Both PDP and APC rig election, the highest rigger is the successful one!

LabDNA:


You don Shout am 1000 times. E no change anything for 2011, e nor change for 2015, e nor change for 2019.

Me and you know say e nor go still change anything for 2023..

Bayelsa result hasn't taught you guys some lessons, always hoping on top nothing.
You are not even talking about fielding an Igbo candidate and only waiting and begging for the slot