uthlaw:
Jesus:God.

Jesus:son of God.

Jesus God:die for the sin he introduced to the people he created.
Jesus son of God:was killed by his father through the people his father created for the purpose of his only son dying for the sin he introduced to the people he created....
Nawa for this kind thing!

Khaleell001:
Sincerely, even though the woman is right both in the Bible and Qur'an :I think the attack was uncalled for .
She could have simply passed by or worse comes to worst, ask him how is Jesus a son of God.

Even Christians saying this don't even know the Bible enough to defend this claim?

OK, let's play a little game for those who will. mention me:

If we agree for the sake of argument Jesus is God, where was he(Jesus) before his mother (Mary) gave birth to him?

If your answer is that he(Jesus) was God, then do you mean to say, a creature (Mary) of God gave birth to him(God)?

Even the book of numbers established God is not man.

The real questions are:
Is God son?
yes or no?

Or is Son God?
Which one first?
Can God die?
If yes, then that's not God because we all know God can never die. He is everliving as the Bible puts it.
Either way you look at it, Jesus is not the son of God, but a messenger of God that's all he was.

tendingNews:


Watch the video
Here http://www.thefamousnaija.com/2019/12/muslim-woman-and-pastor-preaching-at.html?m=1

Deandean:

I love u....my exact thought,
See idiots talking abt whether jesus is God's son or not as if that is d main object of the matter.
If i say Nairaland is heaven...its either u agree or disagree,if u agree,we have a religion of our own whc in our right,if u disagree,u simply walk away or respectfully try to set me aright with reason n facts in private...i mean no disrespect to the sane muslims around here as i have incredibly responsible n reasonable muslim friends,but that religion is verily medieval and violent and intolerant and narrow minded and overly self righteous.

sinaj:
Imagine doing the same thing to an Imam in the North.

Smh

1Sharon:

Jesus is a dead white man.
If you feel offended, drink acid.

Adeling:
I wanted to say something before, but when I saw " Allah had no son" I had to refrain.
but come to think of it, do you believe in Christ because you know He is really the son of God and God himself. Or because you grew up as a Christian. wouldn't you think other wise if you had come from a Muslim family?

jakandeola:
I love u a lot sinaj wont lie. ur one of d friends I first make but why are u getting fair this days. I call u a black beauty but I dont understand u this days. look makydebbie black 3 years ago still so black and still so beautiful. but u come dey white.are u using cream cos DAT will be sad

GeniusWannabe:

I don't have an answer to your questions, but the part where you mentioned the book of Numbers establishing that God is not a man caught my attention.
I suppose Numbers 23:19 is the direct passage you are referring to. Here's it in full:
“God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son
of man, that He should repent. Has He said, and
will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not
make it good?"

The focus is on the first part of the first statement. If you read that part completely, you should notice that the main point is not about God being a man or not, it's about the feature of telling lies. "God is not a man, that he should lie.." , by extension, that means that the quality of lying is inherent in man, and not God. The speaker there wasn't saying that God is not a man, for people to believe that God cannot be a man, the purpose for that statement was to prove that God does not lie. It's similar to saying "I am not a baby that I should pee on my pants while sleeping" . Perhaps, reading a few verses prior to that verse would provide a good understanding.

Khaleell001:
Sincerely, even though the woman is right both in the Bible and Qur'an :I think the attack was uncalled for .
She could have simply passed by or worse comes to worst, ask him how is Jesus a son of God.

Even Christians saying this don't even know the Bible enough to defend this claim?

OK, let's play a little game for those who will.

mention me:

If we agree for the sake of argument Jesus is God, where was he(Jesus) before his mother (Mary) gave birth to him?

If your answer is that he(Jesus) was God, then do you mean to say, a creature (Mary) of God gave birth to him(God)?

Even the book of numbers established God is not man.

The real questions are:
Is God son?
yes or no?

Or is Son God?
Which one first?
Can God die?
If yes, then that's not God because we all know God can never die. He is everliving as the Bible puts it.
Either way you look at it, Jesus is not the son of God, but a messenger of God that's all he was.

Khaleell001:


You clearly agree that God is not man and man can not be God.
This is the point.

Even if we look at the Bible holistically, it supports my claim very firmly that there is a difference between God and Jesus..

Jesus has often repeated by Christians as the only "begotten" son of God; is not the son of God in the literal sense, but allegorical sense.

Is just like an old man who sees me on the street and calls me "son" because I am dear to him, metaphorically he is correct, but literally he is wrong.
Because biologically speaking, I am not his son but a trusted confidant whom he takes a special liking to.

This is what the writers of the Bible, I think they are alluding to not that God has a physical son.

The Bible mentions many sons God.

He mentioned Ephraim as a son and his first born (a loyal servant or messenger of God)
(ref.Jeremiah 31:9)

He mentioned Jacob as His son and first born.
(ref. Exodus 4:22)

If you look closely, two personalities (Jacob and Ephraim) are mentioned as sons and first borns?
How is this?

He mentioned David as the son of God;and even went further that He(God) as begotten David.
(ref. Psalms 2:7)

He mentions in the book of Romans as God having sons.
(ref.Romans8:14)

But Christians will still go ahead to insist Jesus is the one and only true son of God thereby contradicting many biblical verses that also claims sonship for other personalities in the Bible.

This is the problem.

Who is the begotten son of God as claimed by "born again" Christians: Jesus or David?
lest you forget, begotten was used for both.
Let me see how you or any Christian will wriggle is way out of this.

lovemko:


now u think you made sense?
Do you know constituting public nuisance is wrong and only accepted in Nigeria cos of lawlessness? Have you ever seen a Muslim carry a megaphone to disturb others doing their daily business all in the Name of religion?
so to answer your question, there wouldn't be a reverse process in the first place b4 we talk about if it had happened!

Religion or belief is a thing of heart and personal decisions not harassing people's mind at every opportunity then end up at one corner taking dry gin or smoking emp then carrying olosho at night

Khaleell001:


You clearly agree that God is not man and man can not be God.
This is the point.

Even if we look at the Bible holistically, it supports my claim very firmly that there is a difference between God and Jesus..

Jesus has often repeated by Christians as the only "begotten" son of God; is not the son of God in the literal sense, but allegorical sense.

Is just like an old man who sees me on the street and calls me "son" because I am dear to him, metaphorically he is correct, but literally he is wrong.
Because biologically speaking, I am not his son but a trusted confidant whom he takes a special liking to.

This is what the writers of the Bible, I think they are alluding to not that God has a physical son.

The Bible mentions many sons God.

He mentioned Ephraim as a son and his first born (a loyal servant or messenger of God)
(ref.Jeremiah 31:9)

He mentioned Jacob as His son and first born.
(ref. Exodus 4:22)

If you look closely, two personalities (Jacob and Ephraim) are mentioned as sons and first borns?
How is this?

He mentioned David as the son of God;and even went further that He(God) as begotten David.
(ref. Psalms 2:7)

He mentions in the book of Romans as God having sons.
(ref.Romans8:14)

But Christians will still go ahead to insist Jesus is the one and only true son of God thereby contradicting many biblical verses that also claims sonship for other personalities in the Bible.

This is the problem.

Who is the begotten son of God as claimed by "born again" Christians: Jesus or David?
lest you forget, begotten was used for both.
Let me see how you or any Christian will wriggle is way out of this.

Deandean:


We don't have time for stories ...the real truth is divine,he will judge whatever we have dispensed.
But for now,i believe Jesus is the son of God,its not your business,u believe he z just a prophet,not my business...how dare you attack another for what he choose to believe and preach.
True,public nuisance is something i don't like ...but its done in the Nigerian context by muslims and Christians without reprisal .so its hypocrisy when your folks block d road to spread mats to discuss things that are offensive to other religions without opposition,and now this...

The object of the post is not who is Jesus Christ,but what should you do when you disagree with my me on religious issues.

Slimdan360:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Make good research before jumping into conclusions

GeniusWannabe:

Well like I said, my attention was drawn to that passage, Numbers 23:19. That doesn't mean I agree that Jesus isn't God per se. I focused on explaining that passage, and not trying oppose or support the notion on ground.

Deandean:


Thank you,you seem learned,so lets discuss.
1.Contrary to your point.on what basis did the woman attack him? Was it because he was disturbing her daily business with noise or she disagreed with his beliefs?
Obviously it wasn't a question of nuisance,it was a religious provocation.if he had not mention what she disagreed with, she would av went her way.

2.If asked to define nuisance,it definitely would include all the mosque who mount loud speakers to callout there brethrens for pray,ditho interupting our sleep,or causing us to raise our voices.and what do they preach on fridays?things we totally disagree with.In the north where i served,they block roads to spread mats,forcing every1 to pass longer routes to work or shop or there religious houses.there do it in open light,while they say all sort of spiteful statement against those they term keferis.this is happening even in idumota lagos every friday.every1 tolerate them and go their way,why would u destroy attack another for standing off the road,talking abt his beliefs with those who agree with him,when ur folks actually block roads to do same.its hypocritical self righteousness my brother .

3. As to what we do after forming religious....thats not ur business,whether its a Christian or a muslim,so far he has not directed his worship to you,you are stupid to try to judge him on God's behalf.the woman who attacked the fellow,can you vouch for her morality,and true,the pastor can be a serial fornicator.this matters re btw them and the Almighty who searches through every heart and would reveal our hand work on judgement day.

Its 2019,even within islam,there are scholars who have different beliefs on key issues...will you attack these too because you disagree ? Open your minds to understand we all cannot face a direction.its a civil society not a religious empire.

Deandean:


We don't have time for stories ...the real truth is divine,he will judge whatever we have dispensed.
But for now,i believe Jesus is the son of God,its not your business,u believe he z just a prophet,not my business...how dare you attack another for what he choose to believe and preach.
True,public nuisance is something i don't like ...but its done in the Nigerian context by muslims and Christians without reprisal .so its hypocrisy when your folks block d road to spread mats to discuss things that are offensive to other religions without opposition,and now this...

The object of the post is not who is Jesus Christ,but what should you do when you disagree with my me on religious issues.