Khaleell001:



even at that I have a better understand of the passage better than you do.

how is Jesus God?
Don't tell me believe; prove it from your Bible because this is where you derive your foundation for your believe.

Khaleell001:


You clearly agree that God is not man and man can not be God.
This is the point.

Even if we look at the Bible holistically, it supports my claim very firmly that there is a difference between God and Jesus..

Jesus has often repeated by Christians as the only "begotten" son of God; is not the son of God in the literal sense, but allegorical sense.

Is just like an old man who sees me on the street and calls me "son" because I am dear to him, metaphorically he is correct, but literally he is wrong.
Because biologically speaking, I am not his son but a trusted confidant whom he takes a special liking to.

This is what the writers of the Bible, I think they are alluding to not that God has a physical son.

The Bible mentions many sons God.

He mentioned Ephraim as a son and his first born (a loyal servant or messenger of God)
(ref.Jeremiah 31:9)

He mentioned Jacob as His son and first born.
(ref. Exodus 4:22)

If you look closely, two personalities (Jacob and Ephraim) are mentioned as sons and first borns?
How is this?

He mentioned David as the son of God;and even went further that He(God) as begotten David.
(ref. Psalms 2:7)

He mentions in the book of Romans as God having sons.
(ref.Romans8:14)

But Christians will still go ahead to insist Jesus is the one and only true son of God thereby contradicting many biblical verses that also claims sonship for other personalities in the Bible.

This is the problem.

Who is the begotten son of God as claimed by "born again" Christians: Jesus or David?
lest you forget, begotten was used for both.
Let me see how you or any Christian will wriggle is way out of this.

Adeling:
I wanted to say something before, but when I saw " Allah had no son" I had to refrain.
but come to think of it, do you believe in Christ because you know He is really the son of God and God himself. Or because you grew up as a Christian. wouldn't you think other wise if you had come from a Muslim family?

GreetMe:
Delta State is a Christian majority state, that's all I have to say.

Imagine a Christian attacking an Imam in Sokoto because his beliefs doesn't align with his

lovemko:


thank you, but you don't seem smart... no offense
1 if he sat in his house or his shop in the first place, she wouldn't go and attack or confront him for being a Christian or his beliefs. You can't be wrong and at the same time disturbing me peace... I 100% Stan this woman... let your preacher go preach in his house or church! Market is not a church

2... wanted to stop at number one but...
If he isn't supposed to be that holy why would he be shouting upandan with megaphone to preach repentance or probably same holiness if he's free to do whatever he wants.. so it's do what I say and not what I do?

1Sharon:


Jesus is a dead white man.

If you feel offended, drink acid.

Khaleell001:
Sincerely, even though the woman is right both in the Bible and Qur'an :I think the attack was uncalled for .
She could have simply passed by or worse comes to worst, ask him how is Jesus a son of God.

Even Christians saying this don't even know the Bible enough to defend this claim?

OK, let's play a little game for those who will. mention me:

If we agree for the sake of argument Jesus is God, where was he(Jesus) before his mother (Mary) gave birth to him?

If your answer is that he(Jesus) was God, then do you mean to say, a creature (Mary) of God gave birth to him(God)?

Even the book of numbers established God is not man.

The real questions are:
Is God son?
yes or no?

Or is Son God?
Which one first?
Can God die?
If yes, then that's not God because we all know God can never die. He is everliving as the Bible puts it.
Either way you look at it, Jesus is not the son of God, but a messenger of God that's all he was.

uthlaw:
Jesus:God.

Jesus:son of God.

Jesus God:die for the sin he introduced to the people he created.
Jesus son of God:was killed by his father through the people his father created for the purpose of his only son dying for the sin he introduced to the people he created....
Nawa for this kind thing!

lovemko:


Baba you said it, I read it cos you judged the woman... the truth is I do not care what religion the woman is, what differentiate the man from a regular mad man in the street? Have you in your life seen a Muslim doing this act of shouting in the streets b4? Don't come up with his beliefs or his business tin cos if he kept his business to himself he wouldn't be in the market place for a start!

Slimdan360:

Like seriously u need to stop drawing conclusions without making proper research,the text I quoted you with earlier was about Jesus being present at the beginning of creation even before the creation of Mary his earthly mother,he came through Mary to prove to u and I that it is not impossible to live a good life even as a man. Also u saying God has many sons with Jesus being one of them is wrong because Jesus and God are one.
According to the scriptures,Jesus once said and I quote "I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE". God himself is in three persons,we have GOD THE FATHER,GOD THE SON AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT,They are collectively known as God just like THE SHELL,THE ALBUMEN AND THE YOKE is collectively called THE EGG.Therefore u can't believe in one without believing in the rest of them and dat is where Muslims are getting it wrong,they believe in God the Father without believing in God the son and God the holyspirit.
For those shouting Religion is this and that,I want u all to know that Christianity is not a religion but a way of life,when the disciples went to Antioch where they were first called Christians,that name was given to them not because of the fact that they followed Jesus but because of the way they lived thier lives going about doing good and being good and dat lifestyle was synonymous with Christ,so firstly the disciples believed in Christ because of the way he lived his life and went on to adopt dat same lifestyle so dat was were the term CHRISTIANITY was coined from. I am a Christian and I do not believe in Christianity of shouting and performing magic, although I believe in miracles but what I think truly makes me a Christian Is my lifestyle.Thank you

Khaleell001:


You are just talking without fleshing it with scriptural facts.
The analogy of using the egg does not even stand as evidence for you.

Let's hear Jesus give that idea a lie that God, Himself,His son (Jesus)The Holy spirit are one indivisible entity.
He says :
"I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will."

-John 5:30

If he(Jesus) was co-equal with God how come he is saying he can not judge by himself since he is "God" himself like you claim?

Not only that ,he also says he is sent. we ask withntgwie temperament of a teenager,by whom? God;which means God is a higher authority who dishes out judgement which Jesus himself admittedly says he must follow because he has no will of his own.
Does this sound like someone who is co-equal to God?

Let's go to another one;

"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
-Mathew 24:36

If he(Jesus) is also co-equal with God as the shell, yoke and Albumen analogy you gave, it would mean what God knows he willl definitely know,and what the Holy Spirit knows then other two entities of the triune should know, but Jesus as we can see from Mathew 24:36 is clearly and unequivocally denying knowing the hour(the day of Judgment) which knowledge rest with God alone.


I think I will stop here for now so you can tell us where and where did Jesus make himself equal to God.
The "I am and my father and one " argument you are trying to throw in does not say anything in clear terms that Jesus was God's co-equal,it is just one in essence in a metaphorical sense.

To make you understand this better Jesus also says to his disciples in John 17:21:
"that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me."

Does this mean as Jesus said that God, himself and his disciples are one which according to your triune logic means they would be thirteen Gods put together like a sandwich or a sausage?
No!
What he was inferring here by using the word "one" is, in essence;that is, God himself being the creator who sends down instructions, he (Jesus) and his disciples are one in unity of purpose not one in body or in the literal sense:.."

He(jesus) went further to paint a clearer picture here that he was only a messenger not God, how much more being His co-equal saying :
"so that they may BELIEVE that You (God) SENT me"

The point here is not about what you say or I say, but what the personality -Jesus who is at the centre of this whole argument say he is.

If he was God he would said it clearly without to tongue in his cheek.

The thing you Christian folks keep missing is, you just selectively read verses from your Bible that suits your narrative and think we can't dig up what you intentionally gloss over without asking questions.

At the juncture we need to ask all chest beating, bible thumping Christians to tell us who they are following :
Is it Jesus or Paul?

Because all what Jesus said are openly being contradicted by Saul of Tarsus the man you call St. Paul whom was an open enemy to Christians in his early days till he heard a voice which came upon him on his way to Damascus(currently in Syria).
And. no one knows if the voice was from God,Jesus or the devil himself.
Which every wannabe Christians preacher now claim to see and hear of when "God" calls them.

This is the deception you won't find from Muslims without the con artist being exposed.

jakandeola:
I love u a lot sinaj wont lie. ur one of d friends I first make but why are u getting fair this days. I call u a black beauty but I dont understand u this days. look makydebbie black 3 years ago still so black and still so beautiful. but u come dey white.are u using cream cos DAT will be sad

Deandean:

So what do we do to muslims who spread mat on the business roads in idumota for friday lectures and prayers...blocking d entrance to shops of Christians...can you see your hypocrisy and stupid self righteousness

TheApologist:
must religious views or alignment be expressed with aggression?

lovemko:


Man you like shifting post goshhh...
So you mean now the Muslim friday prayers is a problem to you? Am so certain that process has been going on even b4 your so called xtians shops were rented to they understand it's a norm! But for the sake of your delusion you can believe or do whatever you want. That woman is so so right... Deal with it

Deandean:

Yawns....i give up on u sir.....i think i made my point,and you obviously got the message...all d same i respect and love you regardless of your views and religion.and i sincerely wish u understand that judgement would be based mostly on how you treat another man and less about what you preach. Thank u and dont quote me again

lovemko:


now u think you made sense?
Do you know constituting public nuisance is wrong and only accepted in Nigeria cos of lawlessness? Have you ever seen a Muslim carry a megaphone to disturb others doing their daily business all in the Name of religion?
so to answer your question, there wouldn't be a reverse process in the first place b4 we talk about if it had happened!

Religion or belief is a thing of heart and personal decisions not harassing people's mind at every opportunity then end up at one corner taking dry gin or smoking emp then carrying olosho at night

henryobinna:
you're a bloody liar.

I've lived in the north(kano) and yes muslims disturb with their extremely loud mega phone or speakers. You're just one hypocrite that's why you find just hard condemning something wrong the woman did.

Ordinary refusal to join muslim fasting in the north resulted in a Christian woman being killed you hypocrite is here saying they won't kill her if she was a Christian and the preacher a muslim.in the north.

lovemko:


good enough we're both awake... I detest being quoted my self so you saying the bolded and talking about love is hypocrisy big time. I guess you should focus on being a better man rather than being a religious bigot..

lovemko:


Man you like shifting post goshhh...
So you mean now the Muslim friday prayers is a problem to you? Am so certain that process has been going on even b4 your so called xtians shops were rented to they understand it's a norm! But for the sake of your delusion you can believe or do whatever you want. That woman is so so right... Deal with it

Deandean:


Lolll...did i say i give up on you?....4give me please,i meant i completely give up on you in particular, because to test run the woman's sanity,i raised the issue with 2 friends who are muslim clerics,and they condemned her action in its entirety...which is why i stopped to fault the religion but the ppl who practice it...ur version of islam is misinformed, dogmatic,unlearned, unexposed and disposable...haven said that,by you i meant ur views and position on the matter,but as my fellow human being i truely love u.i wouldn't hesitate to save u when u need me regardless of ur religion....that you even have a religious inclination even though I'll readily fault it is enough to get my love and respect.

DanDeeBoss:
Couldn't she just walk away?? problem I have with religious bigots( fanatics)in Nigeria

intolerance, Fanatics and hypocrisy amongst others are the problem of Nigeria ... sighs

lovemko:


Ah! because I don't agree with you makes me a Muslim? lolz
Just cos I don't align with your thoughts makes me a Muslim and common sense shouldn't play here? I said it b4 and I'll say it again, I don't care what religion that woman practice. You yelling around the streets with a megaphone is calling for a reaction at least she isn't deaf unless u mean the Preacher is preaching to deaf people. She did what her impulse ask her to do and that's what I support. if you don't respect people's sanity, no one should respect yours... period.
You got a brain bro... use it

Deandean:


Lolll...now u have to deny your religion just to win an argument with a brother who has given up on u....its worth it bros...u won the argument,you may have the trophy,and try same next time.

sinaj:
Imagine doing the same thing to an Imam in the North.

Smh

sinaj:
Imagine doing the same thing to an Imam in the North.

Smh