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Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Goshen360(m): 2:46pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
VBCampaign: There's nowhere scripture divided the law into 3. The law is a whole package. If you have scriptures where the law was divided into these 3 Categories kindly bring it up. CHRISTIANS are not under the law, including the 10 commandments. When Christians do the "thou shall not" it doesn't mean they are obeying the 10 commandments. It simply means, they are doing the life of God which was then in place before the thou shall not was given....e.g, where was thou shall not commit fornication or adultery before Joseph flew flee from his master wife, where was thou shall not before Noah, Enoch and Abraham walked upright before God...? |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Nobody: 7:23pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
Goshen360:read to understand, yes christ has paid for all your sins with his blood but you should come to God to recieve that forgiveness through confessing your sins because confessing your sins means you admit your sins and ready for God to cleanse you. Read 1John and psalm 51. Christ provide forgiveness but we must recieve it. There are somethings in the bible that are position but can only become active once we actively participate in it for example God made the believer holy (positional) but he must walk in holiness( actively), God made the believer righteous ( positional) but he must walk righteously (actively). God has blessed the believer ( positional) but he must receive that blessing ( actively) and so on and so forth. You need sound teaching Salvation is a complete one package and it entails forgiveness of sins. This is not about encouraging sinful lifestyle, God and YOURSELF knows you YOURSELF will sin tomorrow and in future. Your future sins are already forgiven IN THAT ONE SACRIFICE OF HIS BLOOD.I hope you know that salvation is ongoing in a beliver, I know you would argue with it. What christ did on the cross finished the work of salvation( positionally) but still ongoing in a believers life [progressive sanctification] You need sound teaching. |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by VBCampaign: 8:48pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
Goshen360: I want to say upfront that there's nowhere scriptures divided Moses laws into three. The division is theological. It is a result of centuries of study. You may accept or refuse this but this is my theological position and it safe. Now consider these scriptures: Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. My main concern is verse 31. What does Paul mean by "establishing the law"? Another version calls it "upholding the law". Second: Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet... 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good... 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: Now this is removing verses from their context but you'll admit that Paul puts a positive twist to the law there. Question: why does Paul say the law is not sin? Why is the law holy? How does Paul delight in the law? I provide these scriptures to prove that while Paul will speak of abolishing the law in one hand, he speaks of upholding it in another. We see that Paul saw circumcision and Jewish Sabbath keeping as laws abolished. These were clearly civil snd ceremonial laws bc these were laws for a nation and the temple, resp. In Christ there are no Jews and there is no temple. Yet, he upheld all the ten commandments that included things like sexual purity, not stealing, worshipping God not idols, etc. Bc in Christ we still live morally. If not we would be immoral and this is what we accuse hypergrace of - immoral living in the name of Christianity. |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by forgiveness: 10:57pm On Dec 20, 2019 |
Goshen360: What is the name of your church? |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Nobody: 3:39pm On May 19, 2020 |
Hello. CYM please Finallydead: |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Kobojunkie: 5:33pm On May 19, 2020 |
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Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by petra1(m): 5:38pm On May 19, 2020 |
Good to stay in the middle of the road than this extreme and the other extreme ....Kenneth Hagin |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Kobojunkie: 5:55pm On May 19, 2020 |
solite3:This type of teaching tends to appeal to those who do not even understand the meaning of Grace? I hear people suggest that it is the unmerited favor of God, but there is something very wrong with that idea. For you see, God does not favor those who are His over those who are not His to begin with. The same God allows the rain to fall on both the righteous and the unrighteous.... Is God a liar ? |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Nobody: 11:53pm On May 25, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:grace is unmerited favor because no one deserve God's goodness but he gave it to us freely. |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Kobojunkie: 6:30pm On May 26, 2020 |
solite3:Your definition of grace holds some serious faults... According to Paul, God does not show favor of anykind at all. He is without respect for persons or situations.... The above in Deuteronomy also states that God shows no favor. Peter here tells us that God accepts any and everyone God's mercy is upon all mankind . So I don't see how favor can be claimed, unmerited or otherwise, let alone assigned as God's grace. No amount of praying, fasting, pleading, repentance will cause God to change his mind regarding his grace on you though. What you seem to confuse with grace is what others call LUCK .... https://www.nairaland.com/5717624/science-behind-grace-luck-mentalists |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Elizersalifu(f): 9:21pm On May 26, 2020 |
solite3: Please just mention only one New Testament Believer who received salvation through confession of their sins. ....for by grace are ye saved through faith in Christ Jesus. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 2Cor 5:21 Today, our confession is Jesus Christ and His finished works. |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Elizersalifu(f): 9:24pm On May 26, 2020 |
Goshen360: God bless you sir. People need to unlearn religion and relearn christianity. Many do not even understand that the laws were given by Moses....John 1:17 |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Nobody: 10:32am On Jun 13, 2020 |
Elizersalifu:No salvation is not received through confession of sins but rather confession of sins is needed for a believer to be restored into right relationship with God. |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Kobojunkie: 12:06pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
solite3:When a criminal confessses his sins, is he also restored into right relationship with God? |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Nobody: 7:17pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:I don't understand? If the criminal is not saved, confession of sins without accepting Jesus would do nothing but if he is already saved yes he would be restored. |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Kobojunkie: 7:25pm On Jun 13, 2020 |
solite3:Confession of sins actually does something to us psychologically. It helps us release the gui lt and shame holding onto us. It is cathartic. In a way, he is saved from all the burden of guilt and shame, no Jesus needed. As for actual relationship with Jesus Christ, i am afraid there is no go around when it comes to what Christ stipulated. To be worthy of becoming His follower, you have to do as He commands, nothing less. All the carthasis in the world will not do that one bit. |
Re: What Is Hyper-grace? by Kobojunkie: 5:24am On Jun 02, 2021 |
Hismasterpiece:According to Jesus Christ, this during His conversation with Nicodemus, there is work to be done in order to obtain salvation. In John 3 vs 1 -21, Jesus Christ explained that in order to enter into the Kingdom of God( Heaven has 2 domains - Heaven and Hell), you have to be born again and be saved(salvation). BORN-AGAIN * Change your heart and life to following God's commandments * Be baptized in water to show that you have changed your heart and life - Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 * Be born of Spirit(note that Spirit here does not entail Spirit of God) SALVATION * Believe in Jesus Christ, the New Covenant who is Law in the Kingdom of God * Eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus Christ to gain eternal life - John 6 vs 31- 40 - the token obtained of salvation from the condemnation of sin(Death) All the above works(rules/laws/terms) listed are works that are to be satisfied in order to enter into the Kingdom of God through the narrow gate which leads to true life. All those who do not meet the requirement enter into the Kingdom of God through the broad gate instead - Matthew 7 vs 13 vs 14 Sure, no man, of his own can save his/her self, and tha is why God gave us Jesus Christ so that through Him we can be saved. And as you can see above, that Salvation demands obedience(works) in order for it to be obtained from Jesus Christ, the one who offers it to you. |
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