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Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 8:38pm On Dec 21, 2019 |
[s] lexy2014:[/s] Too many words but ...SMH Just revisit my questions and spare me your junks. You argue blindly! You don't gerrit, do you? |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by Nobody: 9:55pm On Dec 21, 2019 |
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Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by NotComplaining: 10:17pm On Dec 21, 2019 |
KanuSE: Being thrown head first off the highest peak in town then being stoned, then dying a disbeliever... Need more? I can give you countless benefits of heterosexual intercourse, you give me one benefit of sodomizing another man. |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by Isoduwa(m): 10:39pm On Dec 21, 2019 |
KanuSE: See them |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 10:47pm On Dec 21, 2019 |
NotComplaining: Just look at what you pride yourself in...SMH |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by pacificom: 11:08pm On Dec 21, 2019 |
comradewanle: White ppl does not believe in God and damn the consequences of sexual immorality such as homosexuality. We Africans cannot follow their footstep on such act. we respect the foundamental law that allow a woman and a man to bond as couple. Anyone guilty of this sin will lose the pocession of his dick. Therefore Advocates of homosexuality are not welcome in African. |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KarateFeet: 2:15am On Dec 22, 2019 |
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Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KarateFeet: 2:16am On Dec 22, 2019 |
All these white idiot disrespecting African Laws, can they try this in Saudi Arabia? |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by lexy2014: 5:36am On Dec 22, 2019 |
KanuSE: I am not aware of u asking any question of considerable importance neither have I noticed u say anything that can add value to a third party who will read ur comments. So am not too sure what it is u are trying to give urself credit for. For someone who hasnt been able support anything he has said with facts, its funny u still find out time to say someone else "argues blindly". Like I told u earlier, u have run out of things to say |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by bromen: 7:18am On Dec 22, 2019 |
then you third world poverty countries shall die in you poverty, hate, ignorance and underdevelopment. |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by SilvanusII(m): 7:41am On Dec 22, 2019 |
Blindersoff: Of course, we know the people who will be scrounging and scavenging. It will mosdef not be the officials who are robbing the country blind. Until then, let's act like gay ppl are the reasons why their miserables lives are not better |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by Blindersoff: 8:59am On Dec 22, 2019 |
bromen: Gay people everywhere. |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 10:48am On Dec 22, 2019 |
lexy2014: You may have forgotten or missed my questions while you were busy running riot with your Wikipedia junk. Here below are my questions again - My assertion is that US marriage law recognises the rights of individuals to marry more than one wife on religious and customary grounds. The only clause is that those exceptions are not sanctioned coz multiple marriage licenses cannot be issued to the man (e.g. Muslim ) who chooses to marry more than one wife. My questions - Are people penalised for exercising their rights to marry more than one wife based on religious and customary grounds? Although declared as illegal, where's the potency of the laws prohibiting polygamy or bigamy in the US. Are there no polygamous families in the US? Are people not allowed to marry more than one wife based on religious and customary grounds? FYI, no one is disputing that polygamy isn't illegal in the US (though in contention). Your answers will determine if I will provide proof of my claim/assertion but if you will not give answers, this is the last time I will quote you. |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 10:54am On Dec 22, 2019 |
Blindersoff: What's wrong with being gay? |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by lexy2014: 1:00pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
KanuSE: Let me begin by bringing to ur attention a contradiction in ur piece. In fact it is one of several which I had in one of my previous post made known to u. KanuSE: How can u not be disputing something yet u say that d same thing u aren't disputing is in contention? KanuSE: B4 u call something "junk" or "trash", u should be able to provide info that negates what u call "junk" or "trash". 4d fact that u use those words to qualify d info I provided from Wikipedia doesn't validate what u have said that it is junk/trash & it doesn't prove that u are more knowledgeable than d authors in Wikipedia. What will validate ur claim that d info I lifted from Wikipedia is junk/trash, is when u provide superior argument backed up by facts. So far, u have fallen short over& over again. As far as science is concerned, d info I provided from Wikipedia remains valid until u can prove otherwise & am certain that u can't. Now ur excuse that my answers is d motivation u need to substantiate ur claims is an escapist ploy which those who make baseless claims employ in order to save face. A millions answers from me can't help ur case. Do u no why? because u have nothing. Once again u insisted that: KanuSE: As I have asked several times, I ask again. Can u pls quote d law in d US that supports ur assertion? Obviously u can't because no such law exists. Like I also noted earlier, if such a law exists, it is a contradiction of d Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act. But u refused to openly accept that fact. I also provided u graphical evidence to show u d distribution of d legality of polygamous marriages around d world. But u seem to no more than d guys at wikipedia even though u cant prove it. But funny enough and characteric of u, u unwittingly contradicted urself when u said: KanuSE: I wish u could help me answer ur question urself. So how do u want me to take u serious when u don't even no what u are saying? And if according to you "the only clause is that those exceptions are not sanctioned coz multiple marriage licenses cannot be issued to the man (e.g. Muslim ) who chooses to marry more than one wife", that means legal polygamy isn't possible. With regards to your questions, in my last post, I called them "considerably unimportant" and pedestrian. D reason isn't far fetched. I tried providing u analogies to help ur understanding. Let's try it again. KanuSE: D existence of a law criminalising an activity or activities doesn't in anyway mean that people will automatically cease from engaging in such activities. And for people to engage in those activities even though they haven't been punished doesn't mean that those people are operating within d law. Whether d govt chooses to enforce a law or d frequency of enforcement doesn't in anyway mean d law doesn't exist. If in ur opinion d law isn't potent, doesn't negate d existence of d law. Is it every crime breaker in d US that is jail? In terms of d potency of d law, pls read d following. I sent it to u b4 from Wikipedia but ur emotions beclouded ur sense of judgement. Now u are taking us back, asking questions even when d answers were right b4 ur eyes. "United States: Polygamy is illegal in all 50 states[93] as well as federally according to the Edmunds Act. From about 1847 to 1857, in what is now the state of Utah, many Mormons practiced polygamy, which was widely condemned in the rest of the US. The US federal government threatened The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and made polygamy illegal through the enforcement of Acts of Congress such as the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act". Am sure u can see d word "enforcement" in d above. Start from where it says "The US government...". Whether u choose to reply me or not is ur choice. Am not expecting much from u cos like I noted several times b4, u have run out of things to say |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by wirinet(m): 1:19pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
lexy2014:It's obvious you are arguing purely on emotional religious lines. You are failing to accept the fact that polygamy is practiced in the full public glare and the so called anti polygamy law is unenforceable. I had lots of lawyer friends in my undergraduate days. They also told me that the bigamy laws in Nigeria is useless. It a law that's only on paper, it's unenforceable. It's very difficult to regulate what people do in the privacy of their own homes. Read this report;
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Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by ibdguy: 5:24pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
xpool: Really? You read all that, and he didn't pass any information at all? None whatsoever? Interesting. His opinion apparently is far less valid than yours, why though? The person never once stated whether he considered homosexuality as abnormal or not. Indeed, if you actually bothered to read, he does however seem to ask for understanding of people. Human beings. Even if he, or yourself consider them flawed in some way. The word is compassion. Something plainiy lacking on reading the content and tone of your particular response. Dang, "rable rousing"? I smiled at that one. Abi na.That's what he was doing, shay? Not to worry, I've rapped myself across the knuckles already for even typing this rather futile attempt to wade in. Perhaps its just silly me thinking one doesn't need to wear ones sexuality on ones sleeve to be humane, show some humanity, or in fact see where Grandstar might have been coming from. Oh, by the way, please let's not equate homosexual men or women with murderers or paedophiles. We don't need big hailstorms of English words or phrases to convice us. Common sense should tell us, they are far from similar or the same. |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 6:27pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
wirinet: Lol You're rational in thinking and views on critical issues unlike the clanging cymbal I cc'd... hahahaha cc lexy2014 |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 6:31pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
KarateFeet: And your African leaders respect African laws right? Yeye dey smell |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by lexy2014: 7:28pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
KanuSE: U sound like u reeling from d interaction u had with me. Its not my fault that u couldn't defend ur claims. If u felt so bad about ur performance which u demonstrated by saying u were done with d conversation, u should have substantiated ur claims. That would have helped to restore some of ur pride |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 8:04pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
[s] lexy2014:[/s] You talk too much and argue blindly... easy to spot! It was even easy for wirinet to spot your inadequacy...lol Abeg go smoke a |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by lexy2014: 8:55pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
KanuSE: Like I noted b4, how can u say I argue blindly when u couldnt even defend urself or d things u said? U were insisting on a certain point of view with no evidence or proof. D best u have resorted to when u run out of things to say is to embark on all these ur personal attacks. Ur accusations are more or less a description of u. U really getting emotional because I don't think what u are accusing me of is d reason u sound so pained. Ur ego was bruised& ur words show that u are hurt. Relax. Keep ur emotions in check. Its not as bad as u are taking it. Since u feel hurt, take ur time. U will heal |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 9:46pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
[s] lexy2014:[/s] Your argument is defeated coz no one is disputing that polygamy isn't illegal in the US BUT where you're now trapped is failing to admit that the laws prohibiting Polygamy/Bigamy are impotent in the context of religion and customs. And that individual rights are being exalted far above the penal code of provisions of the said laws. Now are you ready to answer my questions? Does the US marriage law not recognise the rights of individuals to marry more than one wife based on religious and customary grounds? Is there any case of people being jailed for marrying more than one wife based on religious and customary grounds? Ain't there polygamous families in the US? YES or NO ? |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by lexy2014: 10:42pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
KanuSE: Of course, "no one is disputing that polygamy isn't illegal in the US". If that is d case, then my argument isn't defeated as u claim because that isn't my argument. My request to u is that u should quote d section of d US marriage law that u say supports polygamy based on customs and tradition. U still haven't been able to quote d law or d reference in US law. So who is now arguing blindly? Point of correction. D US doesn't have "polygamy/bigamy laws". What it has are Anti-Bigamy or Anti-Polygamy laws. To d best of my knowledge, there's no provision in d US statutes that negates its provision. Even u noted by saying: "how do you expect the body of law that prohibits something, to also enshrine same." So u just going round in circles, taking us back to were we have threaded. With regard ur questions, pls avail urself my previous posts and comments. U will find ample information that have adequately put to bed ur concerns except as I noted that may not be ur major objective. All these ur back & forth might just b an attempt to mend a bruised ego. |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by lexy2014: 10:55pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
wirinet: How am I making my argument based on "religious emotional lines"? Can u pls expantiate and explain how u came to that conclusion? U have a very weird way of contradicting urself or showing that u aren't driven by knowledge but by d emotion to score a point. It seems that u didn't take time to read my comment that u responded to cos I don't see much difference between d report u shared and d points I made. Ur written comment in d post is so off point that am wondering what connection it has with what I said and d report u shared |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 11:45pm On Dec 22, 2019 |
lexy2014: There you go again How do you expect a body of law that prohibits something to enshrine same - does it make sense to you, or what sort of question is this torí Olorun. Why is it difficult to answer my questions? Mind you, I have never the word 'support' but 'recognise the rights of individuals'... I think use of English is what you're struggling with. |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by lexy2014: 6:48am On Dec 23, 2019 |
KanuSE: In my struggle with English, pls what is d difference between support and recognise in d context of this discussion? Maybe u can shed some light based ur proficiency in English. KanuSE: This is d mystery I have been expecting u to unravel. because on one hand u say KanuSE: But when u are asked to quote d law that supports this ur assertion, u go: KanuSE: I thought I was d one u said was struggling with English? U see y I said that ur accusations are nothing but a reflection of u? Ur questions/enquiries have been adequately addressed by my previous posts. My posts are a treasure throve of verifiable data, both primary and secondary. If u could call wikipedia which is my secondary source of data junk/trash without being able to negate it with new information, then it shows that ur concerns are beyond d confines of this discussion. If u can't see d answers in my previous posts, then no new attempt can help ur case. That is beyond my sphere of influence. D answers u seek are right b4 ur eyes. But am not surprised that u can't see them |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 8:18am On Dec 23, 2019 |
[s] lexy2014:[/s] Crap just answer my questions and puzzle will be solved. Nonsense! |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 8:18am On Dec 23, 2019 |
[s] lexy2014:[/s] Next time, try to be concise while making your point & spare me your epistle ok. Well, I didn't bother reading that crap... |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 8:58am On Dec 23, 2019 |
darkwan: You have no idea what you're talking about. You're obviously IGNORANT. |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by lexy2014: 10:08am On Dec 23, 2019 |
KanuSE: So in d end, u have successfully indicted urself. |
Re: Edgar Lungu Wants U.S. Ambassador Out Of The Country For Defending Gay Couple by KanuSE: 10:10am On Dec 23, 2019 |
lexy2014:
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