Mickael2:

The problem is that his career has gone back to where it was two years ago, so I think it is easy to deduce that he might have gone back to what he was doing two years ago that caused the decline just that he is hiding his dirty linens better this time

I don't support living a reckless life but fact is because he carries olosho even if he's still doing it or philandering doesn't mean he won't be successful in his career. Some people party hard but it doesn't mean it interferes with their work, I had some classmates like that. JfK was a renowned philanderer, didn't he become president? Even our dear Obj, fela and late MKO Abiola with countless wives doesn't mean they can't be focused or make the best out of their careers. We are just using that encounter of over 2 years ago to hang the guy. Ryan Giggs wey did give injection to sister in law, u no crucify or John Terry or David Beckham? is success doing well? No, but let's not overflog the 2 year old scandal.

AndSunGorilla:


I don't support living a reckless life but fact is because he carries olosho even if he's still doing it or philandering doesn't mean he won't be successful in his career. Some people party hard but it doesn't mean it interferes with their work, I had some classmates like that. JfK was a renowned philanderer, didn't he become president? Even our dear Obj, fela and late MKO Abiola with countless wives doesn't mean they can't be focused or make the best out of their careers. We are just using that encounter of over 2 years ago to hang the guy. Ryan Giggs wey did give injection to sister in law, u no crucify or John Terry or David Beckham? is success doing well? No, but let's not overflog the 2 year old scandal.

See the problem with your analysis of the matter; these guys lived indecent lives but it didn't exactly appear to be affecting their professional performance. There are people like that, in such cases I really wouldn't care about your personal life. But when we all can agree that you have regressed in your professional life, as in the reckless lifestyle is affecting your professional output negatively, I think it would be hypocritical and unfair not to criticize that your lifestyle so you will drop it and get back to your previous professional shape.

lol this ur new moniker carry weight oh.. u sure say dem no go still find u so?

AndSunGorilla:


I was the banned Talisman. I no want cia or fbi or even sars come dey pursue me. I no know better o, I b confirmed dundee united.

Mickael2:


See the problem with your analysis of the matter; these guys lived indecent lives but it didn't exactly appear to be affecting their professional performance. There are people like that, in such cases I really wouldn't care about your personal life. But when we all can agree that you have regressed in your professional life, as in the reckless lifestyle is affecting your professional output negatively, I think it would be hypocritical and unfair not to criticize that your lifestyle so you will drop it and get back to your previous professional shape.

Would you agree with me that being pious doesn't mean anyone will be successful in their chosen fieldsl, my point is a womanizing lifestyle or carrying oloshi doesn't not mean he wasn't training seriously or getting himself in the correct physical shape.

TheSuperNerd:
Long story. Salah and De Bruyne were obviously not given enough chances at Chelsea thanks to a certain Mourinho who had his own ideas. Are they not hitting it in the same EPL for Big sides?

Tammy was piss poor in this same EPL with Swansea. Remember?

Osimhen have almost always shown up in the big games for a small and less talented side like Lille yet you want to argue using Malcolm and whatever logic that he will struggle in a big club with even better talents around him, feeding him. Looolll


Then I guess Mbappe will fail at Madrid too should he leave PSG for them. No be so? Abeg your point no hold.

If there's a player to be worried about, it is Tammy. He hasn't scored against the EPL's Top 6. He is a lion against smaller EPL sides but turns to a mouse against the Big Boys. That for now is a worry and Osimhen does not even has that problem coz he shows up strongly against the Big Boys. This is another reason why Osimhen trumps Tammy and will undoubtedly deliver the goods in a bigger league than France.

Really!?

As we speak, Tammy is still highly rated than Osimhen.

However, there's no guarantee Osimhen can be a success with a club like Chelsea, even established players flopped big time.

Joebie:
lol this ur new moniker carry weight oh.. u sure say dem no go still find u so?

Dem fit catch breeze?

AndSunGorilla:

Would you agree with me that being pious doesn't mean anyone will be successful in their chosen fieldsl, my point is a womanizing lifestyle or carrying oloshi doesn't not mean he wasn't training seriously or getting himself in the correct physical shape.

OK. When he stopped carrying woman, his performances improved, dude had a run of about 10 games straight, didn't score yes, but was kinda impressive. So I think we can conclusively decode that it is actually affecting him.

TheSuperNerd:
On Mbappe, the overall point remains he is in France and not in any of the Big 4. France is below the La Liga so a move from PSG to Madrid will certainly be an upgrade. So using your logic of "unless we see a player perform in a bigger league for a big/bigger side" it simply means you dey talk say Mbappe no be am. Lol... Gerrit?



And yes ofcourse... The league is still on. That is why I use the words, "for now", "right now" or "at this time". Right now, Tammy is simply a mouse whenever he comes up against Tougher sides. He simply hasn't delivered against the Top 6 of England or any of the big/tougher teams he has come up against. That is a minus so far... But he could still turn it around. But until then, na the stats truth be that.


On the overall, is Tammy doing well in the EPL? Of course he is... That is why I earlier said he is in form with his goals stat of 11 EPL goals. That will make it extremely hard or even impossible to bench him plus the fact that he is an English international and has Lampard's trust.


But I also point out the fact that his 11 EPL goals have all come in games against less fancied or less tougher opponents. Against the Top 6/tougher sides, he simply has not shown up so far. And that also is a fact.

PSG remains a big club. They can easily make the top 3 in the Spanish, German or Italian league.

Mickael2:


Now again Let us look at facts.

The fact is that the top 3 teams in the French league are PSG, Marseille and Rennes in that order. The second fact is that Oshimen did not score against all these sides above them and he played against all of them.

The next fact is that the two clubs directly below lille are Nantes and Stade Reims and Oshimen only scored against one of the said teams.

So your assumption abi assertion that Oshimen shows up in big games is not only false but misleading too.

In Chelsea's biggest game of the season so far(their qualification clincher against Lille) Abraham came up big and he was actually just coming back from an injury yet he scored.

Now in the EPL, Tammy scored against Sheffield UTD who are currently in number 5!!!! He scored twice. Tammy also scored against Wolves!!! They are currently in the 6th position. So effectively Tammy has scored against TWO top 6 sides while Oshimen has only managed to do that against ONE, that too in a league where Stade Reims and Rennes are in the top 6. Oya correct yourself

Great analysis Dr. To me and in my opinion you made a lot of sense. I don't think we need to compare those two tbh. Meanwhile am surprised we have not had a VVD vs Ekong comparison here .

safarigirl:
Sorry to pull anyone back on this Isaac issue, but it's rather unfair to keep dragging a player for mistakes he may have made two whole years ago, in relation to what his career is today.

E no get who no dey make mistake and e no get who sudden money no dey confuse. He hasn't done anything to require slating of recent, e no dey play fit no be him fault. It is not likely that a team struggling to remain in the EPL, will regularly play anyone who wasn't a regular when they were doing good, even small playing time go be blessing sef.

Make we no dey laugh am on top ashawo wey e carry two years ago. Many of us did things two years ago that we might not be proud of, but it shouldn't define who we are today and we should extend the same belief to Success.

PS: Success is not a waste man, nobody is a waste man. Things might not be going well for him today, does not make him a waste man.

Una good evening.

I already said so yesterday

But i am sure they will listen to what you have just said

They keep on speaking of what success did which is more than 1 year ago as if success is the worst player,its just because he is not doing well so they decide to put that on him.

Make i just end my own talk here

Mickael2:


OK. When he stopped carrying woman, his performances improved, dude had a run of about 10 games straight, didn't score yes, but was kinda impressive. So I think we can conclusively decode that it is actually affecting him.

You can't be sure he stopped carrying woman now, except you live in the same house or you have a camera attached to him. My point is when he had those run of games, baba could still be digging trenches on a regular but on a coded level

AndSunGorilla:


Great analysis Dr. To me and in my opinion you made a lot of sense. I don't think we need to compare those two tbh. Meanwhile am surprised we have not had a VVD vs Ekong comparison here .

The other day I was openly castigating Andrew when be said Oshimen is average at best. But you see eh, how can someone say Oshimen is better than Tammy na, as in based on which fact?

E go shock you say very soon we will have that argument. The other day someone was saying that Ekong has been consistently good pushing his team up the table, they go first compare am with Ramos then VVD, I won't even be surprised, I will just do the Lord's work again.

AndSunGorilla:


You can't be sure he stopped carrying woman now, except you live in the same house or you have a camera attached to him. My point is when he had those run of games, baba could still be digging trenches on a regular but on a coded level

True that. Mt assumptions are based on the ones I know, saw and/or heard so he might even be doing worse behind close doors back when he was improving, so it really is just an assertion too

OMANBALA1:


Marriage could be used as a tool to measure success because marriage is serious work. If you are going to be a feminist be an informed one.

Marriage cannot be used as a tool to measure success sir

Mickael2:


The other day I was openly castigating Andrew when be said Oshimen is average at best. But you see eh, how can someone say Oshimen is better than Tammy na, as in based on which fact?

E go shock you say very soon we will have that argument. The other day someone was saying that Ekong has been consistently good pushing his team up the table, they go first compare am with Ramos then VVD, I won't even be surprised, I will just do the Lord's work again.

nairalandankrah:

Osimhen will score more goals in that Chelsea team.not forgetting that he has more club experience than tammy

Are you kidding me? Osimhen has more experience than Tammy in club football!? What a joke?

TheSuperNerd:
Long story. Salah and De Bruyne were obviously not given enough chances at Chelsea thanks to a certain Mourinho who had his own ideas. Are they not hitting it in the same EPL for Big sides?

Tammy was piss poor in this same EPL with Swansea. Remember?

Osimhen have almost always shown up in the big games for a small and less talented side like Lille yet you want to argue using Malcolm and whatever logic that he will struggle in a big club with even better talents around him, feeding him. Looolll


Then I guess Mbappe will fail at Madrid too should he leave PSG for them. No be so? Abeg your point no hold.

If there's a player to be worried about, it is Tammy. He hasn't scored against the EPL's Top 6. He is a lion against smaller EPL sides but turns to a mouse against the Big Boys. That for now is a worry and Osimhen does not even has that problem coz he shows up strongly against the Big Boys. This is another reason why Osimhen trumps Tammy and will undoubtedly deliver the goods in a bigger league than France.

If tammy is playing for the eagles you wont say all this

You are bias but you know how do hide it

Try to be sincere bro

Due to my love for victor, i wont do any comparison

We should speak the truth when it matters

Now take a look at your childish judging against tammy saying he hasnt scored against the top 6, does that reduces his epl goals?

Someone is doing well in the epl and you are more concerned saying he hasnt scored against the top 6

I know you to be a fan of naija players, you dont need to be bitter because tammy didnt play for naija okay, be truthful at least

Bros please stop all this jare

On a separate topic, with Pinnicks comments about Rohr's new contract, if I were Rohr, I will just walk away. It's like telling a woman you want to marry, please marry me but if you don't accept my marriage proposal, I can't kill myself!!!
Not saying Rohr is the best coach in the world but let's be honest the man has tried for the SE, all the drama about player selection, team mafia etc now greatly reduced.we know we can't afford a Pochetinno or a top class coach but this man has done well for someone he got the job after the desired candidate rejected our offer.

charlesemeka85:
in as much as i want osimhen to join a big club i doubt liverpool will be the best for him judging by kloops philosophy and style of play. it is very difficult for a natural number 9 to shine in the current liverpool team based on kloop's tactics unless one who can be deployed from the flanks or function well as a false 9.

liverpool's attack and potency in front of goal is from the flanks which is why the duo of mane and salah finishes the season with more goals than firmino. also the same reason origi is usually deployed from the flanks when given a chance in the team.

the epl teams i believe osimhen will make a name for himself in the league if he joins any based on their approach to games are man united,arsenal,chelsea and spurs

also another big mistake he will make is going to barca if the offers come

A striker will be almost perfect to join barca, but we all know nobody is perfect and barca are quick to dump anyone .

If victor can be half as good as Eto/drogba then why cant he join barca

charlesemeka85:
with the influence of the english FA tammy will always get the nod ahead of osimhen if he joins chelsea unless before that will happen the club management will replace lampard with a non British coach who will field any players performing well to get him results.

tammy is good but osimhen with his rugged and forceful style of play is built for a team like chelsea. if mourinho was to return to chelsea he will definitely start osimhen ahead of tammy. tammy is not strong on the ball and is easily caged by top defenders

How do you know mourinho will start osimhen ahead of tammy? Yes its possible because osimhen is a good player , but how do you know and conclude??

I know you guys are saying this because tammy didnt play for naija

Remember i know how to diss foreign brought up players and i have been insulted for that also, but we need to be sincere

Why cant you say you dont know who mourinho will start than concluding its osimhen?

Do you work with mourinho?

Are you his pa to know all this?

AndSunGorilla:


How do I know I have no knowledge of what it takes? Could you be right, possibly? But just curious how you came to that conclusion?

Meanwhile I have been happily married for 10 years and blessed with children my oga.

You were tryna sound WOKE, you just didn't never a good handle Of it.

I knew you would jump in to talk coz it is what you do best... jumping in.


It is clear that even Sheffield and Wolves are no top teams in England. Yes Sheffield occupy 5th but they are no Top 6 team in England which obviously refers to Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Tottenham. In France, the equivalent of this is PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Lyon, Nantes, and possibly Lille or Rennes (Osimhen has shown up against Half of them... Lyon, Rennes, Monaco and even Nantes. He missed the PSG game sef).

FACTS. Now say something else. Lol...


Even the media have picked up on this. Tammy have failed to nail it against a top 6 team in ENGLAND. FACTS!

Mickael2:


Now again Let us look at facts.

The fact is that the top 3 teams in the French league are PSG, Marseille and Rennes in that order. The second fact is that Oshimen did not score against all these sides above them and he played against all of them.

The next fact is that the two clubs directly below lille are Nantes and Stade Reims and Oshimen only scored against one of the said teams.

So your assumption abi assertion that Oshimen shows up in big games is not only false but misleading too.

In Chelsea's biggest game of the season so far(their qualification clincher against Lille) Abraham came up big and he was actually just coming back from an injury yet he scored.

Now in the EPL, Tammy scored against Sheffield UTD who are currently in number 5!!!! He scored twice. Tammy also scored against Wolves!!! They are currently in the 6th position. So effectively Tammy has scored against TWO top 6 sides while Oshimen has only managed to do that against ONE, that too in a league where Stade Reims and Rennes are in the top 6. Oya correct yourself

If Tammy was playing for the Super Eagles, I would say same thing. I said he would not bench Osimhen even in this Eagles team and that is true.
Even if he were an Eagle, I would maintain Osimhen is the better striker because that again is true. Call it bias or whatever fun name you want, it changes not my stance backed up by what we have seen from both players overtime.

Tammy is being spoonfed at Chelsea. Things are just so easy for the lad thanks to the plethora of talents around him. Osimhen is not enjoying such luxury with a less talented Lille side yet his stats are still beastly.

In a game between both players' clubsides, Osimhen obviously edged Tammy in every aspect of play. Tammy scored, Osimhen scored but Osimhen was a constant worry for the Chelsea defence that even Lampard could not hide his admiration for the lad.

Tammy has been a mouse against England's Biggest sides and that is a fact. But Osimhen has bossed things against Tammy's big Chelsea side and even delivered against some of France's top sides. Facts.

Does the facts now hurt?

andrewbaba44:


If tammy is playing for the eagles you wont say all this

You are bias but you know how do hide it

Try to be sincere bro

Due to my love for victor, i wont do any comparison

We should speak the truth when it matters

Now take a look at your childish judging against tammy saying he hasnt scored against the top 6, does that reduces his epl goals?

Someone is doing well in the epl and you are more concerned saying he hasnt scored against the top 6

I know you to be a fan of naija players, you dont need to be bitter because tammy didnt play for naija okay, be truthful at least

Bros please stop all this jare

andrewbaba44:


Marriage cannot be used as a tool to measure success sir

Yes, indeed , it could be used because marriage requires almost the same set of skill needed to succeed in almost all human endeavor.

TheSuperNerd:
I knew you would jump in to talk coz it is what you do best... jumping in.


It is clear that even Sheffield and Wolves are no top teams in England. Yes Sheffield occupy 5th but they are no Top 6 team in England which obviously refers to Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Tottenham. In France, the equivalent of this is PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Lyon, Nantes, and possibly Lille or Rennes.

FACTS. Now say something else. Lol...


Even the media have picked up on this. Tammy have failed to nail it against a top 6 team in ENGLAND. FACTS!

So it makes sense for him to score against Arsenal in 9th abi 10th than for him to score against Sheffield and Wolves in 5th and 6th respectively? As of this season and as of current form, the top six sides contain Sheffield and Wolves, not Arsenal, if you want to say Tammy has not scored against the best 6 teams in England than that is false because he has scored against the fifth best team and sixth best team, the table does not lie.

However if you think that Tammy needs to score against Arsenal, a team that City used for training, instead of Wolves, a team that defeated City, then we are done arguing.

Mickael2:


So it makes sense for him to score against Arsenal in 9th abi 10th than for him to score against Sheffield and Wolves in 5th and 6th respectively? As of this season and as of current form, the top six sides co gain Sheffield and Wolves,

Lol.... Pick it up with a Chelsea fan below who obviously sees the truth and says it like it is.... So far as things stand now, Fact remains vs the traditional top 6, Tammy has simply been a Casper...
Unlike Osimhen who have done it against some of France's traditional top 6 teams/Big teams like Monaco, Lyon, Rennes, and even Nantes and ofcos Tammy's Big Chelsea Side.

junnyjake:


You were tryna sound WOKE, you just didn't never a good handle Of it.

What's woke?

Still not bigger than a Madrid where Mbappe could easily end up.

forgiveness:


PSG remains a big club. They can easily make the top 3 in the Spanish, German or Italian league.

forgiveness:


PSG remains a big club. They can easily make the top 3 in the Spanish, German or Italian league.

Add epl

They are on same level with city and liverpool

Mickael2:


The other day I was openly castigating Andrew when be said Oshimen is average at best. But you see eh, how can someone say Oshimen is better than Tammy na, as in based on which fact?

E go shock you say very soon we will have that argument. The other day someone was saying that Ekong has been consistently good pushing his team up the table, they go first compare am with Ramos then VVD, I won't even be surprised, I will just do the Lord's work again.

Lol

Ekong and vvd no suppose dey same sentence

Ekong is not even half the player stefan de vrij is, let alone vvd

nairalandankrah:

Osimhen will score more goals in that Chelsea team.not forgetting that he has more club experience than tammy

Lol

If i say una dey bias e go b like i too talk

How can you say osimhen have more club experience?

Osimhen havent played 15 career games till he joined chaleroi, should i remind you tammy played 31 epl games for swansea, then victor was having issues with wolfsburg

Make we leave this matter jare

I have dissed tammy in the pass on this thread, but we should give kudos where its deserved

Na me kukuma sabi insult foreign brought up/ born players pass, no be wetin i fit hide

andrewbaba44:


Lol

If i say una dey bias e go b like i too talk

How can you say osimhen have more club experience?

Osimhen havent played 15 career games till he joined chaleroi, should i remind you tammy played 31 epl games for swansea, then victor was having issues with wolfsburg

Make we leave this matter jare

I have dissed tammy in the pass on this thread, but we should give kudos where its deserved

Na me kukuma sabi insult foreign brought up/ born players pass, no be wetin i fit hide

I like the fact that you're not biased when it comes to comparing local boys with foreign guys.

Kudos bro. You said it all.

Osimhen isn't needed at Chelsea as long as they have a fit Tammy. They're too similar