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Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 8:23pm On Dec 29, 2019
steady986:
Clippers against the Lakers vs Clippers against other strong teams

You simply have to accept that the Clippers are a Match Up nightmares for you lot just as the 76ers are a Match Up nightmare for the Bucks. That is just the way things are presently I'm afraid.
Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 8:28pm On Dec 29, 2019
Khanben:


Exactly, those who keep calling him a future MVP are just projecting something that might never happen. Giannis, Siakam to name a few are some of the comparables who came into the league without a jumper, but during the periods they were working on said jumper they at least took the shots rather than pass it up at every opportunity.

No one Called Him a "Future MVP" though. Lebron came in as that not Simmons. What was said was that He came into the league as a "Potential MVP Candidate" and that still stands. That He has refused to work on His game is all down to Him and nobody else.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 8:35pm On Dec 29, 2019
Khanben:


Rick Carlisle is also a championship coach, the spurs best players are chokers on the big stage. As for experience (only patty mills has championship experience and plays like it) as we all watched against Denver last season.
For Portland history shows that after a long term injury it take at least a year before that player gets his legs under him so Nurkic will be a non factor. As for trading Whiteside let that happen then we can revisit this projection but as constituted the Mavs are slightly better and their coach is better than who the blazers have.

Rick Carlisle is no Greg Popovich. The spurs best players are chokers? LOL! And what about the mavs best players who haven't even made the playoff yet like more than half their roster? Nurkic is most likely returning at the start of 2020, more than enough time to get some semblance of his game going before the playoffs. Zach collins is also returning soon. I've seen what Dame and CJ are capable of in the playoffs, I dont see Doncic carrying them over a 7 game series against them.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 8:35pm On Dec 29, 2019
chic2pimp:


You simply have to accept that the Clippers are a Match Up nightmares for you lot just as the 76ers are a Match Up nightmare for the Bucks. That is just the way things are presently I'm afraid.

I strongly disagree.
Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 8:45pm On Dec 29, 2019
Where is Roland17? Come and see your goat Aaron Rodgers getting schooled by a 3rd string QB.

I hope y'all lose so you face the Vikings next week

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Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 9:17pm On Dec 29, 2019
zelgiusdigby:


I strongly disagree.

Two Wins says otherwise.
Re: The NBA Begins by steady986(m): 9:50pm On Dec 29, 2019
chic2pimp:


You simply have to accept that the Clippers are a Match Up nightmares for you lot just as the 76ers are a Match Up nightmare for the Bucks. That is just the way things are presently I'm afraid.
Like when the Raptors were a matchup nightmare against the Cavs those days. But what happened in the playoffs?
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:55pm On Dec 29, 2019
chic2pimp:


Two Wins says otherwise.

The bulls have also beaten the clippers. The mavs have also beaten the lakers. Two regular season wins mean nothing.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 9:56pm On Dec 29, 2019
steady986:

Like when the Raptors were a matchup nightmare against the Cavs those days. But what happened in the playoffs?

Exactly!
Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 10:37pm On Dec 29, 2019
A40:
Where is Roland17? Come and see your goat Aaron Rodgers getting schooled by a 3rd string QB.

I hope y'all lose so you face the Vikings next week

You are sooo disrespectful!
He just led us to a comeback W, a possible no 1 seed and a bye next week. By the way Brady lost to the Dolphins!
Show the GOAT some respect!
Re: The NBA Begins by Roland17(m): 10:38pm On Dec 29, 2019
Khanben:
Anybody in Tennessee or its environs, justcame in for grad school school

Big congrats fam, I am not close to Tennessee.. Keep your head up!

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Re: The NBA Begins by A40(m): 10:42pm On Dec 29, 2019
Roland17:


You are sooo disrespectful!
He just led us to a comeback W, a possible no 1 seed and a bye next week. By the way Brady lost to the Dolphins!
Show the GOAT some respect!
Lol vs the freaking Lions. Your immensely overrated QB would stumble against the first decent defense he faces.

Brady can lose to an XFL team. Doesn't matter. He's the defending champion that has been to 9 Superbowls

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Re: The NBA Begins by Khanben: 10:47pm On Dec 29, 2019
zelgiusdigby:


Rick Carlisle is no Greg Popovich. The spurs best players are chokers? LOL! And what about the mavs best players who haven't even made the playoff yet like more than half their roster? Nurkic is most likely returning at the start of 2020, more than enough time to get some semblance of his game going before the playoffs. Zach collins is also returning soon. I've seen what Dame and CJ are capable of in the playoffs, I dont see Doncic carrying them over a 7 game series against them.

Gordon Hayward, Paul George to name just two, which one of these is Nurkic better than, it took both of these guys at least one year after their injury to get back to who they were. Let's not forget that Nurkic and Zach are big men, it takes them more time than usual.
With due respect to NBA fans who dont follow the Euro league and have been biased by the media's pushing the rhetoric of busts. Manu and Dragen are two good examples of players who from the the day they stepped into the league you knew they belonged. You know what luka has in common with both guys they are all Euro league MVP's before coming into the league.
What Most people don't know is that the Real madrid team that Luka led to win the Euro league was missing their penciled star player due to injury. He stepped up and led the team to Euro league title,and was MVP during that run.
Do you know that he is an EuroBasket national team champion, a member of the Euro league team of the decade all before being 21.
He has been handling pressure since he was freaking 15, the playoffs will just be another cakework for him.
PS: the NBA is a talent driven league, if you have a good enough coach (and Rick is that), talent and team fit wins every time. Just the way Denver beat the Spurs last year.

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Re: The NBA Begins by Khanben: 10:53pm On Dec 29, 2019
Did the Patriots just lose the chance to get a buy in the playoffs. I tip my hat to Flores the Dolphins coach, will love to see him with a talented roster.
Re: The NBA Begins by donlittle25: 11:09pm On Dec 29, 2019
Khanben:
Anybody in Tennessee or its environs, justcame in for grad school school
congrats big G. Not in Tennessee, but anytime you enter ATL let a brother know.


@birdman I don enter ATL o. How 31st night they go now
Re: The NBA Begins by Khanben: 11:39pm On Dec 29, 2019
donlittle25:
congrats big G. Not in Tennessee, but anytime you enter ATL let a brother know.


@birdman I don enter ATL o. How 31st night they go now

Thanks
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 11:54pm On Dec 29, 2019
Khanben:


Gordon Hayward, Paul George to name just two, which one of these is Nurkic better than, it took both of these guys at least one year after their injury to get back to who they were. Let's not forget that Nurkic and Zach are big men, it takes them more time than usual.
With due respect to NBA fans who dont follow the Euro league and have been biased by the media's pushing the rhetoric of busts. Manu and Dragen are two good examples of players who from the the day they stepped into the league you knew they belonged. You know what luka has in common with both guys they are all Euro league MVP's before coming into the league.
What Most people don't know is that the Real madrid team that Luka led to win the Euro league was missing their penciled star player due to injury. He stepped up and led the team to Euro league title,and was MVP during that run.
Do you know that he is an EuroBasket national team champion, a member of the Euro league team of the decade all before being 21.
He has been handling pressure since he was freaking 15, the playoffs will just be another cakework for him.
PS: the NBA is a talent driven league, if you have a good enough coach (and Rick is that), talent and team fit wins every time. Just the way Denver beat the Spurs last year.
What does what i said have to do with all of that? Did i call Luka a bust or ask for his career history? Dude, spare me the essay. You just went on a rant that had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I'm guessing you had that in your chambers waiting to tell people how well you know doncic or the euro league.

First of all, i never claimed nurkic and zach will immediately back to what they were, I said some semblance of what they were which is all that the blazers need especially since they're trying to dump Whiteside for a wing.

And then your whole rant about Luka Doncic, where did i call Doncic a bust or where did i claim in didnt belong in the NBA? I'm talking about the Mavericks beating the Blazers in the playoffs and you are giving me Doncics career history. I never claimed doncic isnt good i just said i dont see him carrying dallas through the playoffs which is actually a compliment. A player can be as good as he wants during the regular season but as we've seen with other players even MVPs in recent times the playoff is a whole different ball game. When a teams whole strategy is centered around taking away everything you do right, and your game isnt as effective, thats where you have to rely on your supporting cast, Plus doncic himself hasnt been through something like this, remember the clippers game? thats every single game in the playoffs. Who does he have that you think will step up? the corpse of porzingis who has never been to the playoffs or Tim hardaway who is one of the most inconsistent players in the league? . Will i take that against playoff tested players like Dame and CJ and even Melo? LOL!

No one said doncic isnt good and no one is calling him a bust, this is about the mavericks and the trailblazers. If you can't elaborate a better argument on that match up better than i know luka doncics career history dont waste my time.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 12:01am On Dec 30, 2019
Zach collins will be out for 4 months BTW, recovering from a shoulder surgery not a one year injury.
Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 12:03am On Dec 30, 2019
steady986:

Like when the Raptors were a matchup nightmare against the Cavs those days. But what happened in the playoffs?

The same Craptors that had Notorious Playoff Choker DeFrozen leading them? I'm sure you know quite well Kawhi is no Demar. He embraces the Limelight unlike Demar.
Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 12:05am On Dec 30, 2019
zelgiusdigby:


The bulls have also beaten the clippers. The mavs have also beaten the lakers. Two regular season wins mean nothing.

But We know which of all the Aforementioned teams scares the Lakers the most and it isn't the Bulls.
Re: The NBA Begins by Khanben: 12:05am On Dec 30, 2019
zelgiusdigby:

What does what i said have to do with all of that? Did i call Luka a bust or ask for his career history? Dude, spare me the essay. You just went on a rant that had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I'm guessing you had that in your chambers waiting to tell people how well you know doncic or the euro league.

First of all, i never claimed nurkic and zach will immediately back to what they were, I said some semblance of what they were which is all that the blazers need especially since they're trying to dump Whiteside for a wing.

And then your whole rant about Luka Doncic, where did i call Doncic a bust or where did i claim in didnt belong in the NBA? I'm talking about the Mavericks beating the Blazers in the playoffs and you are giving me Doncics career history. I never claimed doncic isnt good i just said i dont see him carrying dallas through the playoffs which is actually a compliment. A player can be as good as he wants during the regular season but as we've seen with other players even MVPs in recent times the playoff is a whole different ball game. When a teams whole strategy is centered around taking away everything you do right, and your game isnt as effective, thats where you have to rely on your supporting cast, Plus doncic himself hasnt been through something like this, remember the clippers game? thats every single game in the playoffs. Who does he have that you think will step up? the corpse of porzingis who has never been to the playoffs or Tim hardaway who is one of the most inconsistent players in the league? . Will i take that against playoff tested players like Dame and CJ and even Melo? LOL!

No one said doncic isnt good and no one is calling him a bust, this is about the mavericks and the trailblazers. If you can't elaborate a better argument on that match up better than i know luka doncics career history dont waste my time.

Dude you were talking about playoffs being different and I made a case that he has been under much more pressure than first round playoffs game, so saying that the Spurs players who are way less talented than him will do better because they have played in a couple of playoff series is not taking into cognisance that Luka has also played big games, seth, Finley smith, barea, etc has all played big games. So I reiterate that the Mavs are more talented in my own opinion and I will lean towards them.
If you don't understand that this is a discussion then we can simple end it here I don't understand this your idea of calling my write up a rant cheesy grin
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 12:06am On Dec 30, 2019
Roland17:
Congrats to Kawhi for being named the AP Male Athlete of the year.
#Claw

Like i said, well deserved.



But there's levels to this sh-t.

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Re: The NBA Begins by Khanben: 12:07am On Dec 30, 2019
zelgiusdigby:

What does what i said have to do with all of that? Did i call Luka a bust or ask for his career history? Dude, spare me the essay. You just went on a rant that had absolutely nothing to do with what I said. I'm guessing you had that in your chambers waiting to tell people how well you know doncic or the euro league.

First of all, i never claimed nurkic and zach will immediately back to what they were, I said some semblance of what they were which is all that the blazers need especially since they're trying to dump Whiteside for a wing.

And then your whole rant about Luka Doncic, where did i call Doncic a bust or where did i claim in didnt belong in the NBA? I'm talking about the Mavericks beating the Blazers in the playoffs and you are giving me Doncics career history. I never claimed doncic isnt good i just said i dont see him carrying dallas through the playoffs which is actually a compliment. A player can be as good as he wants during the regular season but as we've seen with other players even MVPs in recent times the playoff is a whole different ball game. When a teams whole strategy is centered around taking away everything you do right, and your game isnt as effective, thats where you have to rely on your supporting cast, Plus doncic himself hasnt been through something like this, remember the clippers game? thats every single game in the playoffs. Who does he have that you think will step up? the corpse of porzingis who has never been to the playoffs or Tim hardaway who is one of the most inconsistent players in the league? . Will i take that against playoff tested players like Dame and CJ and even Melo? LOL!

No one said doncic isnt good and no one is calling him a bust, this is about the mavericks and the trailblazers. If you can't elaborate a better argument on that match up better than i know luka doncics career history dont waste my time.

The only reason you gave for Luka not being able to carry his team is his lack of experience and I simply gave you proof that he has said experience.
Re: The NBA Begins by Khanben: 12:13am On Dec 30, 2019
zelgiusdigby:
Zach collins will be out for 4 months BTW, recovering from a shoulder surgery not a one year injury.

4 months of no upper body exercises and shooting.against a Powell, KP and co who are playing good basketball at the moment.
Like I said previously I took into cognisance that the blazers are missing their best 2 big men before making my pick as well as the fact that the Mavs are healthy. You it seems are basing it off on what they did last playoffs when we can obviously see that what we happened last playoffs might have been the blazers peak
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 12:13am On Dec 30, 2019
Khanben:


Dude you were talking about playoffs being different and I made a case that he has been under much more pressure than first round playoffs game, so saying that the Spurs players who are way less talented than him will do better because they have played in a couple of playoff series is not taking into cognisance that Luka has also played big games, seth, Finley smith, barea, etc has all played big games. So I reiterate that the Mavs are more talented in my own opinion and I will lean towards them.
If you don't understand that this is a discussion then we can simple end it here I don't understand this your idea of calling my write up a rant cheesy grin

Doesn't matter how well you can handle pressure, doesn't matter how much better he is than the spurs or portland stars, this isnt about him, its about his team. First of all, i won't even laugh at the "big game" players you mentioned. But see they've never been in the playoffs together, the portland nucleus has and we've seen them perform. Is this dallas team better than last years okc team with russell westbrook and paul george? Remember what portland did to them? If they were to meet in the playoffs and i was a betting man, my money is on dame.

Re: The NBA Begins by chic2pimp(m): 12:14am On Dec 30, 2019
donlittle25:
congrats big G. Not in Tennessee, but anytime you enter ATL let a brother know.


@birdman I don enter ATL o. How 31st night they go now

Congrats KhanBen. Al the best.

How many of Lot on this Board currently reside Stateside? I know Donlittle25,Birdman,Eruditor and Roland all do. Anyone else?
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 12:15am On Dec 30, 2019
Khanben:


The only reason you gave for Luka not being able to carry his team is his lack of experience and I simply gave you proof that he has said experience.
Not really, I was clearly referring to his whole team before i got to him. He has some experience, but nothing beats the real deal. I'm not saying he wont perform, i'm just saying it probably wont be enough.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 12:22am On Dec 30, 2019
Khanben:


4 months of no upper body exercises and shooting.against a Powell, KP and co who are playing good basketball at the moment.
Like I said previously I took into cognisance that the blazers are missing their best 2 big men before making my pick as well as the fact that the Mavs are healthy. You it seems are basing it off on what they did last playoffs when we can obviously see that what we happened last playoffs might have been the blazers peak

Paul George was out for a similar period for a similar injury, came back firing on all cylinders. It may have been their peak, but that will still be enough to beat this mavs.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 12:31am On Dec 30, 2019
MY GOAT!

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Re: The NBA Begins by Khanben: 12:32am On Dec 30, 2019
zelgiusdigby:


Doesn't matter how well you can handle pressure, doesn't matter how much better he is than the spurs or portland stars, this isnt about him, its about his team. First of all, i won't even laugh at the "big game" players you mentioned. But see they've never been in the playoffs together, the portland nucleus has and we've seen them perform. Is this portland team better than last years okc team with russell westbrook and paul george? Remember what portland did to them? If they were to meet in the playoffs and i was a betting man, my money is on dame.

Now we are getting somewhere, IMHO when I saw the the Mavs roster at the beginning of the season it reminded me of the Bucks team last year, with one generational talent and pieces that not only fit but have embraced their roles. The blazers currently as constituted is not the same team from last season due to injuries and the trade for Whiteside.
The playoffs is all about half court sets right, IMO against the blazers the Mavs will have easy driving lanes with KP taking away Whiteside/Nurkic from the paint because you have to respect his 3, one on one luka/Tim/Brunson will be comfortable driving against Dame or CJ. On the other hand Whiteside and Nurkic when the blazers are on offense prefer staying in the post which will shrink the driving lanes for Dame and CJ(KP is a good shot blocker) meaning their only course to victory is out shooting the mavs. But wait a minute the Mavs are a better shooting team as a whole
PS: If it is the team the blazers had last season then I'll give them the edge but unless they can pull off a Love trade or someone of his caliber, I'll take the mavs any day.
Re: The NBA Begins by Nobody: 12:33am On Dec 30, 2019
That was beautiful man. I pray my love story with Ersana is even more beautiful.
Re: The NBA Begins by Khanben: 12:34am On Dec 30, 2019
zelgiusdigby:


Paul George was out for a similar period for a similar injury, came back firing on all cylinders. It may have been their peak, but that will still be enough to beat this mavs.

Please you are now comparing PG with Zach Collins.
Don't forget every team always reverts to the mean, that is what the blazers are facing right now

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