Demicoker:
At this point people are desperate and not the regular telling us not to be spoon fed..nobody wants to get this far to be rejected..we put in our all..I have never asked specific question here or bother anyone..but after so many refusals and one person comes to say they got it..it’s normal for us to be this desperate for help..oga you are not in our shoes and it seems you said you done with birthing and you lucky you got all your anchor babies..allow us to be desperate too..no be only una like better thing..
Thanks for those that has dropped comment so far
We look forward to more input to help us push
We must enter canada

Lolz! Oga, I no hold una oh, not at all. Will be happy to hear more positive testimonies, only saying don't "cast" things. I can relate with the desperation, yes, but I think she has supplied much direction and advice, and if most of those sets of questions are answered, every serious person here can fly easily. I actually think some smart persons should be flying already with the little she has released....

Enjoy oh!

Oliver Twist wants more..
I want more info if I can get
Enjoy too oooo
And wish us well..
Canada must come through

OmoBendel24:


Lolz! Oga, I no hold una oh, not at all. Will be happy to hear more positive testimonies, only saying don't "cast" things. I can relate with the desperation, yes, but I think she has supplied much direction and advice, and if most of those sets of questions are answered, every serious person here can fly easily. I actually think some smart persons should be flying already with the little she has released....

Enjoy oh!

Hello, it's a slightly long read. Please bear with me.

So I have been following this thread for about 9 weeks...right after I got the mail about the RHA letter.

Brief intro...I submitted my online application 13th September, did my biometrics 16th September, got the RHA Letter mail 11th November, made the required payments and sent my receipts and the letter 26th November. Till date, I'm yet to get a response. I have sent emails and filled the webform but nothing yet from the VOs.

On Tuesday 7th January, hubby and I were discussing other options, we were really considering Barbados because it's Visa free for Nigerians and I don't have time to waste waiting for a Visa (I'm starting my 35th week today).

Eventually, we decided on me renewing my American Visa. I have been quite averse to renewing my American Visa due to all the negative news one has been hearing about Visa denials due previous birth(s) in America. Also, hubby tried renewing his American Visa sometimes in November but he was denied after he presented my itemized bill. The VO was however kind enough to mention to him that what we paid was quite low for vaginal birth ($6.5k for OBGYN, Hospital and Epidural).

Hubby decided that we would pay back the discount the hospital gave us. I disagreed initially due to all the stories I had heard. I had concluded that once you have had baby in America, irrespective of the amount paid, kiss your Visa renewal bye until further notice. Eventually I agreed for him to pay the discount (still had no intention of renewing my American Visa as I believed I would get a positive response from the Canadian Visa request)

Cut the long story short, I applied for the B2 American Visa on Tuesday 7th January, got an interview date for today and my Visa request was granted.

The only document the VO asked to see was my itemized bill from my 1st delivery. Total payment made was about $14.5k after paying back the discount. After perusing my itemized bill and other receipts, he said I should go to pay the N40.7k reciprocity fee......and when I turned to leave, he said I should ensure I also pay my bill in full again.

It's worthy to note that asides from my itemized bill, I had my Dr. correspondence (using the same OBGYN I previously used so it was easy for her to send me a letter within 24 hours of contacting her) and I also had other supporting documents that could have been requested for.

Finally, for anyone on this thread who's interested in Birth tourism, I would highly recommend that you apply for an American Visa whilst waiting for a feedback on the Canadian request. Just have all the necessary documents when you go for your interview and pray for God's favour. I have been praying for favour and confessing positively since I submitted my application on Tuesday night. I believe God would grant us all our heart's desires.

Cheers

Mamajam:
Hello, it's a slightly long read. Please bear with me.

So I have been following this thread for about 9 weeks...right after I got the mail about the RHA letter.

Brief intro...I submitted my online application 13th September, did my biometrics 16th September, got the RHA Letter mail 11th November, made the required payments and sent my receipts and the letter 26th November. Till date, I'm yet to get a response. I have sent emails and filled the webform but nothing yet from the VOs.

On Tuesday 7th January, hubby and I were discussing other options, we were really considering Barbados because it's Visa free for Nigerians and I don't have time to waste waiting for a Visa (I'm starting my 35th week today).

Eventually, we decided on me renewing my American Visa. I have been quite averse to renewing my American Visa due to all the negative news one has been hearing about Visa denials due previous birth(s) in America. Also, hubby tried renewing his American Visa sometimes in November but he was denied after he presented my itemized bill. The VO was however kind enough to mention to him that what we paid was quite low for vaginal birth ($6.5k for OBGYN, Hospital and Epidural).

Hubby decided that we would pay back the discount the hospital gave us. I disagreed initially due to all the stories I had heard. I had concluded that once you have had baby in America, irrespective of the amount paid, kiss your Visa renewal bye until further notice. Eventually I agreed for him to pay the discount (still had no intention of renewing my American Visa as I believed I would get a positive response from the Canadian Visa request)

Cut the long story short, I applied for the B2 American Visa on Tuesday 7th January, got an interview date for today and my Visa request was granted.

The only document the VO asked to see was my itemized bill from my 1st delivery. Total payment made was about $14.5k after paying back the discount. After perusing my itemized bill and other receipts, he said I should go to pay the N40.7k reciprocity fee......and when I turned to leave, he said I should ensure I also pay my bill in full again.

It's worthy to note that asides from my itemized bill, I had my Dr. correspondence (using the same OBGYN I previously used so it was easy for her to send me a letter within 24 hours of contacting her) and I also had other supporting documents that could have been requested for.

Finally, for anyone on this thread who's interested in Birth tourism, I would highly recommend that you apply for an American Visa whilst waiting for a feedback on the Canadian request. Just have all the necessary documents when you go for your interview and pray for God's favour. I have been praying for favour and confessing positively since I submitted my application on Tuesday night. I believe God would grant us all our heart's desires.

Cheers

Wow, congratulations. Move into US almost immediately

Update your Canada application possibly today with the further payment proof, current itemized bill and the new visa too as you get it by Thursday/Friday tops I believe

Post this on the US thread please

Thank you for sharing. Please I’m trying to send you a mail. I have few questions to ask about your itemized bill. I will be glad if you can reply me. I’m also looking at going to renew my America visa. Thank you.






[quote author=Mamajam post=85768646]Hello, it's a slightly long read. Please bear with me.

So I have been following this thread for about 9 weeks...right after I got the mail about the RHA letter.

Brief intro...I submitted my online application 13th September, did my biometrics 16th September, got the RHA Letter mail 11th November, made the required payments and sent my receipts and the letter 26th November. Till date, I'm yet to get a response. I have sent emails and filled the webform but nothing yet from the VOs.

On Tuesday 7th January, hubby and I were discussing other options, we were really considering Barbados because it's Visa free for Nigerians and I don't have time to waste waiting for a Visa (I'm starting my 35th week today).

Eventually, we decided on me renewing my American Visa. I have been quite averse to renewing my American Visa due to all the negative news one has been hearing about Visa denials due previous birth(s) in America. Also, hubby tried renewing his American Visa sometimes in November but he was denied after he presented my itemized bill. The VO was however kind enough to mention to him that what we paid was quite low for vaginal birth ($6.5k for OBGYN, Hospital and Epidural).

Hubby decided that we would pay back the discount the hospital gave us. I disagreed initially due to all the stories I had heard. I had concluded that once you have had baby in America, irrespective of the amount paid, kiss your Visa renewal bye until further notice. Eventually I agreed for him to pay the discount (still had no intention of renewing my American Visa as I believed I would get a positive response from the Canadian Visa request)

Cut the long story short, I applied for the B2 American Visa on Tuesday 7th January, got an interview date for today and my Visa request was granted.

The only document the VO asked to see was my itemized bill from my 1st delivery. Total payment made was about $14.5k after paying back the discount. After perusing my itemized bill and other receipts, he said I should go to pay the N40.7k reciprocity fee......and when I turned to leave, he said I should ensure I also pay my bill in full again.

It's worthy to note that asides from my itemized bill, I had my Dr. correspondence (using the same OBGYN I previously used so it was easy for her to send me a letter within 24 hours of contacting her) and I also had other supporting documents that could have been requested for.

Finally, for anyone on this thread who's interested in Birth tourism, I would highly recommend that you apply for an American Visa whilst waiting for a feedback on the Canadian request. Just have all the necessary documents when you go for your interview and pray for God's favour. I have been praying for favour and confessing positively since I submitted my application on Tuesday night. I believe God would grant us all our heart's desires.

Cheers

Wow..lucky you mama
I will go the same route and I hope to be favourwd..waiting on Canada to return my passprt so I can renew my USA visa too..thank God for positive news

Mamajam:
Hello, it's a slightly long read. Please bear with me.

So I have been following this thread for about 9 weeks...right after I got the mail about the RHA letter.

Brief intro...I submitted my online application 13th September, did my biometrics 16th September, got the RHA Letter mail 11th November, made the required payments and sent my receipts and the letter 26th November. Till date, I'm yet to get a response. I have sent emails and filled the webform but nothing yet from the VOs.

On Tuesday 7th January, hubby and I were discussing other options, we were really considering Barbados because it's Visa free for Nigerians and I don't have time to waste waiting for a Visa (I'm starting my 35th week today).

Eventually, we decided on me renewing my American Visa. I have been quite averse to renewing my American Visa due to all the negative news one has been hearing about Visa denials due previous birth(s) in America. Also, hubby tried renewing his American Visa sometimes in November but he was denied after he presented my itemized bill. The VO was however kind enough to mention to him that what we paid was quite low for vaginal birth ($6.5k for OBGYN, Hospital and Epidural).

Hubby decided that we would pay back the discount the hospital gave us. I disagreed initially due to all the stories I had heard. I had concluded that once you have had baby in America, irrespective of the amount paid, kiss your Visa renewal bye until further notice. Eventually I agreed for him to pay the discount (still had no intention of renewing my American Visa as I believed I would get a positive response from the Canadian Visa request)

Cut the long story short, I applied for the B2 American Visa on Tuesday 7th January, got an interview date for today and my Visa request was granted.

The only document the VO asked to see was my itemized bill from my 1st delivery. Total payment made was about $14.5k after paying back the discount. After perusing my itemized bill and other receipts, he said I should go to pay the N40.7k reciprocity fee......and when I turned to leave, he said I should ensure I also pay my bill in full again.

It's worthy to note that asides from my itemized bill, I had my Dr. correspondence (using the same OBGYN I previously used so it was easy for her to send me a letter within 24 hours of contacting her) and I also had other supporting documents that could have been requested for.

Finally, for anyone on this thread who's interested in Birth tourism, I would highly recommend that you apply for an American Visa whilst waiting for a feedback on the Canadian request. Just have all the necessary documents when you go for your interview and pray for God's favour. I have been praying for favour and confessing positively since I submitted my application on Tuesday night. I believe God would grant us all our heart's desires.

Cheers

Hello. Please feel free to ask your questions.

Thanks

Ttosyn12:
Thank you for sharing. Please I’m trying to send you a mail. I have few questions to ask about your itemized bill. I will be glad if you can reply me. I’m also looking at going to renew my America visa. Thank you.

How did you pay the discount?
What hospital did you use?
Most hospitals refuse to collect payments once you have a zero balance.


[quote author=Mamajam post=85768646]Hello, it's a slightly long read. Please bear with me.

So I have been following this thread for about 9 weeks...right after I got the mail about the RHA letter.

Brief intro...I submitted my online application 13th September, did my biometrics 16th September, got the RHA Letter mail 11th November, made the required payments and sent my receipts and the letter 26th November. Till date, I'm yet to get a response. I have sent emails and filled the webform but nothing yet from the VOs.

On Tuesday 7th January, hubby and I were discussing other options, we were really considering Barbados because it's Visa free for Nigerians and I don't have time to waste waiting for a Visa (I'm starting my 35th week today).

Eventually, we decided on me renewing my American Visa. I have been quite averse to renewing my American Visa due to all the negative news one has been hearing about Visa denials due previous birth(s) in America. Also, hubby tried renewing his American Visa sometimes in November but he was denied after he presented my itemized bill. The VO was however kind enough to mention to him that what we paid was quite low for vaginal birth ($6.5k for OBGYN, Hospital and Epidural).

Hubby decided that we would pay back the discount the hospital gave us. I disagreed initially due to all the stories I had heard. I had concluded that once you have had baby in America, irrespective of the amount paid, kiss your Visa renewal bye until further notice[b]. Eventually I agreed[b] for him to pay the discount[/b][/b] (still had no intention of renewing my American Visa as I believed I would get a positive response from the Canadian Visa request)

Cut the long story short, I applied for the B2 American Visa on Tuesday 7th January, got an interview date for today and my Visa request was granted.

.

Mamajam:
Hello, it's a slightly long read. Please bear with me.

So I have been following this thread for about 9 weeks...right after I got the mail about the RHA letter.

Brief intro...I submitted my online application 13th September, did my biometrics 16th September, got the RHA Letter mail 11th November, made the required payments and sent my receipts and the letter 26th November. Till date, I'm yet to get a response. I have sent emails and filled the webform but nothing yet from the VOs.

On Tuesday 7th January, hubby and I were discussing other options, we were really considering Barbados because it's Visa free for Nigerians and I don't have time to waste waiting for a Visa (I'm starting my 35th week today).

Eventually, we decided on me renewing my American Visa. I have been quite averse to renewing my American Visa due to all the negative news one has been hearing about Visa denials due previous birth(s) in America. Also, hubby tried renewing his American Visa sometimes in November but he was denied after he presented my itemized bill. The VO was however kind enough to mention to him that what we paid was quite low for vaginal birth ($6.5k for OBGYN, Hospital and Epidural).

Hubby decided that we would pay back the discount the hospital gave us. I disagreed initially due to all the stories I had heard. I had concluded that once you have had baby in America, irrespective of the amount paid, kiss your Visa renewal bye until further notice. Eventually I agreed for him to pay the discount (still had no intention of renewing my American Visa as I believed I would get a positive response from the Canadian Visa request)

Cut the long story short, I applied for the B2 American Visa on Tuesday 7th January, got an interview date for today and my Visa request was granted.


Cheers

How did you pay the discount?
What hospital did you use initially?
My hospital refused to collect payments saying they already issued a zero balance.

Not necessarily. I booked an appointment from Nigeria immediately my PR application was approved and I had my first appointment with my midwife a week after we landed. All they need is proof that you are a PR and that you live or will live in the city where the practice operates from.

See how everywhere is just quiet!! This Canada people and their slow application processing. I am leaving for Toronto in a few weeks. Please if there is any mama delivering in Toronto you can PM me let us brainstorm together.

@esomimi i advise that you get to Canada first before trying to find a midwife. I am sure they will want to see the person first.

Pls how can I get my passport back from the embassy..I haven’t written vfs and they say it hasn’t arrived yet..what can I do?
I need my passport
Thanks Fam

Has anyone gotten RHA from Ontario? It seems difficult there.

What were the required documents for the Nigerian passport please.
post=84429406]Long Post Alert!!
Sorry I’ve been so busy that I have not had time or strength to type up the rest of the journey. Our baby was born about 3 weeks ago. Thanks to Almighty God for the successful delivery. So here’s the rest of the story:
First, update on the lab test at doctor’s office is 55CAD extra for a vaginal swab test for which I got the invoice about a week after birth of our baby. So that brings the total lab test cost to 178CAD
Labor, Hospital, and Delivery:
So my wife got an early labor and baby on a Friday at 37 weeks 2 days. Went to hospital the next day morning only to be turned back in the afternoon because dilation was still 1cm. However, we were charged 650CAD for that visit by the hospital. Later that night labor got worse and we returned to hospital at about 10pm. My wife’s dilation was checked to be almost 3cm and they told us to wait until it’s 3cm. However we were advised to wait and be admitted to the labor room at 12am so we won’t have to pay for 2 nights (This was because, the baby has to be in the hospital for 24 complete hours before being discharged as Ontario law requires.) So were finally admitted 11:30pm on a Saturday and baby was born @ 5:17am on Sunday morning. (I was scared they’d charge us for the 30 minutes before 12am, but when I spoke to them in accounts the following Monday morning, they were understanding, and we only paid for one night.) We were discharged on Monday morning since the 24hrs ended at 5:17am on Monday morning. We used an Epidural which cost us 1,100CAD and it covers as many epidurals as required until birth (it’s non-negotiable as the doctor did not reduce it even when we tried to negotiate. However, I heard the cost of the epidural differ from anesthesiologist to anesthesiologist and could be anywhere from 500CAD to 1200CAD depending on whoever’s on duty)
Hospital bill for one night was 3505CAD(which we had paid earlier) and that included mother and baby, lab tests, drugs, food (for mother and baby if the mother cannot breastfeed), diapers, maternity pads, disposable panties for mother, and accommodation for support person (a collapsible chair in the labor room as well as the mother and baby room).
First pediatric visit was 3 days after birth. We were given a list of Humber river pediatricians and we used the one closest to us. The guy charged 300CAD for first visit and said subsequent visit is 200CAD. After first visit we were supposed to return a week later. However, for some reason we were not comfortable with the price. So we researched about other pediatricians not connected with Humber river hospital. We found Kidscrew children clinic. We were charged 80 dollars for Pediatric visit at Kidscrew. We regretted going to the first guy anyway. But at least thank God the joy of delivery was greater than the regret of spending.
Birth Certificate, Ticket, and Passports Application
Birth certificate was applied for online through service Ontario. Cost 25CAD and was approved the next day. Received it at my address through Canada post 1 week after approval.
Baby ticket was 216CAD with Lufthansa airline. Bassinet seat cost extra 77CAD. Both were obtained over the phone with airline desk and new ticket was sent to my email. (Note that flight ticket with baby’s name showing on it is required to get and urgent or express passport)
Canadian passport was applied for after baby got her passport photograph (20CAD for 4 copies). I wanted to go with the no guarantor option which requires filling a form that shows information about you within the last five years including addresses, and jobs. Then 2 referees which can be reached by the phone numbers you provide. Also, the form must be signed at a notary public office which would cost 78CAD since he will be serving as your guarantor. (Notary public office is less than a minute walk from the downtown passport office I went to. However, I had no need to use the notary public office anymore because I was able to contact a friend whom I thought was not even in the country. Fortunately, she had returned, and she signed as guarantor for me. Passport application and express delivery cost 107CAD. They said I did not qualify for urgent service since I’m not travelling within 2 weeks. So I was given express service and told to come the next 2 business days. Went there and got my baby’s passport
Instead of applying for a Nigerian emergency travel certificate, we decided to apply for a Nigerian passport since we had time and we figured it will be more difficult to get the baby a passport in Nigeria(they don’t even have passport booklet) The Nigerian passport office was in Ottawa. But application has to be made online and payment has to be done online as well (77USD). Printed out all the required documents and got on our way to Ottawa as baby has to be present in person at Ottawa for photograph. Left Toronto on a Monday afternoon, got to Ottawa on a Monday evening and went to passport office on Tuesday morning. (Note that after filling the application online already, appointment was given to come to the Ottawa office 10 days later, however, we went there the next day following the advice I was given when I called the office to come whenever it’s convenient for me). Got to the office on Tuesday morning and submitted the application documents. Got the passport in the afternoon and got on our way back to Toronto the next day.
So all we do now is sit and wait for our flight to return home and hopefully we should not encounter any challenges all through. The God who has started this has brought it to completion. We are just nothing but grateful.
[/quote]

As regards the high rate Canadian visa refusals, it is obvious it is a deliberate policy... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canada-s-temporary-visa-approval-rate-lowest-for-african-travellers-1.5369830

[quote author=Tutsy50 post=85860877]What were the required documents for the Nigerian passport please.

Hi Tutsy50,
Please visit here to find the requirements. Aside the general requirements, check additional requirements for applicants under the age of 18.

https://nigeriahcottawa.ca/citizen-services/e-passport-application

To get a naija passport, be ready to travel to Ottawa for it in person

[quote author=Dsquare2017 post=85935948][/quote]

Hotstepper:
To get a naija passport, be ready to travel to Ottawa for it in person

Hi dear, been reading up since tread 1. We are looking to give birth in Canada esp as trump just moved to ban birth tourism is US. We dont have anybody in Canada unlike in us what's our cost gona look like in this regard?

Hello everyone, been reading up on this post for a while. I am a mum who had her baby in the US 3years ago. I have since renewed my us visa and travelled a couple of times. However I intend to start Planning a second child in a few months. I intend to get a Canadian visa with all this buhaha going on in US. I had a Canadian visa once in 2011 and I never renewed. Now I want to plan way ahead. Will starting my visa application now make sense since I’m planning next year for birthing by God’s Grace. I heard Canadian visa can take between 4weeks to 7months.
Since I’m not pregnant yet, I was hoping to apply now for holidays. Get my visa, go on holidays and come back and keep the visa for birthing.
How many years do they generally give on Canadian visas now ?

oluwaahmed:


Hi dear, been reading up since tread 1. We are looking to give birth in Canada esp as trump just moved to ban birth tourism is US. We dont have anybody in Canada unlike in us what's our cost gona look like in this regard?

lol!...It was not a "ban"...but more like a restriction that will require anyone wanting to give birth in the US more hurdles to cross over.

Canada is already doing the same in disguise.

Read previous post of this same thread.

Kemo88:
Hello everyone, been reading up on this post for a while. I am a mum who had her baby in the US 3years ago. I have since renewed my us visa and travelled a couple of times. However I intend to start Planning a second child in a few months. I intend to get a Canadian visa with all this buhaha going on in US. I had a Canadian visa once in 2011 and I never renewed. Now I want to plan way ahead. Will starting my visa application now make sense since I’m planning next year for birthing by God’s Grace. I heard Canadian visa can take between 4weeks to 7months.
Since I’m not pregnant yet, I was hoping to apply now for holidays. Get my visa, go on holidays and come back and keep the visa for birthing.
How many years do they generally give on Canadian visas now ?

From my understanding some a given with the duration of the valid passport the applicant submits.

Kemo88:
Hello everyone, been reading up on this post for a while. I am a mum who had her baby in the US 3years ago. I have since renewed my us visa and travelled a couple of times. However I intend to start Planning a second child in a few months. I intend to get a Canadian visa with all this buhaha going on in US. I had a Canadian visa once in 2011 and I never renewed. Now I want to plan way ahead. Will starting my visa application now make sense since I’m planning next year for birthing by God’s Grace. I heard Canadian visa can take between 4weeks to 7months.
Since I’m not pregnant yet, I was hoping to apply now for holidays. Get my visa, go on holidays and come back and keep the visa for birthing.
How many years do they generally give on Canadian visas now ?

Go ahead and execute this plan now. You however will still have to declare childbirth at POE when the time comes too, all things being equal. Validity of visa granted will range between a year and whatever validity is left on the passport you are applying with itself. Best wishes!

Hmmm this is eye opening..

Hotstepper:

today's new about birth tourism

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/birth-tourism-strain-1.5413296

Abuleoshi:
I think people should start looking at Chile because they are very welcoming of birth tourists and the process is easy.

Chile ke? Nigerians sha

Thanks hotstepper,I have another option of Visa on arrival in Nigeria now,cant go to Ottawa for Visa or passport.would just process it from here and babys passport would be stamped on arrival in Nigeria.

Please confirm this as VOA has long been cancelled for this purpose. why not do ETC?

Tutsy50:
Thanks hotstepper,I have another option of Visa on arrival in Nigeria now,cant go to Ottawa for Visa or passport.would just process it from here and babys passport would be stamped on arrival in Nigeria.

[quote author=Hotstepper post=86127792]Please confirm this as VOA has long been cancelled for this purpose. why not do ETC?
ETC?what's the full meaning please.

Hello everyone,

I appreciate the efforts on this platform
I need an advice please,
I got my visa 2 yrs ago and have not used it.
Now I am peggy and intend birthing in CA.
So, am I under any obligation to inform CIC prior departure of a modification in my purpose of visit?
Is it better going alone or with family?
Should I just land @ POE with enough proof of funding?

Thanks.

Emergency Travel Certificate


[quote author=Tutsy50 post=86141886][/quote]

Congratulations! The choice is urs if u want to notify CiC, however, u will show proof of fund, accomodation arragement anf drs appt at POE. Also, whether to comr with ur family or alone is up to you.

Good Luck

flow2davis:
Hello everyone,

I appreciate the efforts on this platform
I need an advice please,
I got my visa 2 yrs ago and have not used it.
Now I am peggy and intend birthing in CA.
So, am I under any obligation to inform CIC prior departure of a modification in my purpose of visit?
Is it better going alone or with family?
Should I just land @ POE with enough proof of funding?

Thanks.

Thanks so much for your feedback.
Have actually spoken with a Dr, who only asked to give them @ POE his hospital contact to call to confirm, but wouldn't give a formal appointment.

Hotstepper:
Congratulations! The choice is urs if u want to notify CiC, however, u will show proof of fund, accomodation arragement anf drs appt at POE. Also, whether to comr with ur family or alone is up to you.

Good Luck