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tomakint:
You mean INEC connived with PDP the opposition party in an APC stronghold where an incumbent APC Governor was commandeering? honestly speaking I don't know how you APC dudes do it but I must confess you guys are very irritating and purely demonic. You lie more than demons

Yes that was exactly what happened otherwise why then was INEC and PDP unable to produce their own copies of the results from the PUs they said were cancelled? Or do you not know that every party agent is given a copy of the results from their polling unit for sake of accountability?

UZODINMA had his own copy and so did the police present who by the way are also supposed to get copies.

What then happened to those for INEC and PDP if not that they are both complicit and worked together to rig the elections?

Unlike you I actually have a working brain and you need to go get one

CanadaOrBust:
As a disinterested, nonpartisan party, I render the final and honest opinion:

The Supreme Court has partisan bias

If the governor were APC they would not have so promptly removed him. The worst they would have done was order a re-run. And they would base that decision on those same reasons the respondents presented.

You can refer to Zamfara and Rivers States and when you do you will realize you just said a load of rubbish

Blindersoff:
You can refer to Zamfara and Rivers States and when you do you will realize you just said a load of rubbish

Mention another instance in Nigerian judicial history where the SC ruled against all lower courts AND INEC itself in other to immediately remove a seating governor - all based on clearly questionable, uncollaborated, and unauthenticated documents supplied solely by the plaintiff himself!!

lahizak:
So wat u re telling me in essence is dat a duplicate result copy was brought forward. INEC claimed it is not theirs and failed to bring forth the original copies which they can easily claimed was damaged during one of d election violence. Den immediately, d court decided dat as a result of dat, d result brought by d other party is valid. Here is a question though, after uzodimma brought the duplicate copy to the court, who supposed to determine if d duplicate copy is legut or not. D court or the issuing body? Better put, weneva dere is an issue of forgery in court, who is called to validate the document, d court or an expert on d document?

CAN? Just listen yourself, you're using future tense for a case that was already in the past! Your matter don tire me. Why didn't INEC claim that?

tomakint:
You mean INEC connived with PDP the opposition party in an APC stronghold where an incumbent APC Governor was commandeering? honestly speaking I don't know how you APC dudes do it but I must confess you guys are very irritating and purely demonic. You lie more than demons

INEC officials and police officers have no loyalty to incumbent parties but to the highest bidders, just like judiciary and everyone else in this fvcking country. We only cry only when we are at the receiving end of unfavourable judgment

CanadaOrBust:
Mention another instance in Nigerian judicial history where the SC ruled against all lower courts AND INEC itself in other to immediately remove a seating governor - all based on clearly questionable, uncollaborated, and unauthenticated documents supplied solely by the plaintiff himself!!

Read the full judgement like someone who actually went to school and you will slap yourself for the stupidity spewed above

garfield1:
Oga burden of proof shifts.it always starts with the appellants.once he discharges it by bringing evidence,it shifts to the defendants who must disprove.hope proved his case while ihedioha couldn't refute.in atiku case,he never proved his,he only depends on hearsay which killed hid case meanwhile inec and apc presentef enough evidence

Burden of proof also means total votes now gets past accredited votes, you guys can try spin this way you want but we all know this is biggest travesty ever.

Blindersoff:
Read the full judgement like someone who actually went to school and you will slap yourself for the stupidity spewed above

I read the judgement. No where does it say that any attempt was made to establish the authenticity of the documents even when INEC (who supposedly issued them) had clearly stated they were not authentic AND it was clear that including them would make for impossible math!

https://twitter.com/Mazigburugburu1/status/1220791088283291655?p=v

This what people come and defend I doubt this country will ever be great.

CanadaOrBust:
I read the judgement. No where does it say that any attempt was made to establish the authenticity of the documents even when INEC (who supposedly issued them) had clearly stated they were not authentic AND it was clear that including them would make for impossible math!

You just showed you did not read the judgement.

INEC/IHEDIOHA were asked repeatedly to provide evidence proving the documents submitted by UZODINMA were fake and they could not produce a single one. Both INEC and PDP/IHEDIOHA could not produce a single evidence to back up their claim.

I am sure you never read the judgement because if you did, you would not be typing this nonsense as you did before

Blindersoff:
You just showed you did not read the judgement.

INEC/IHEDIOHA were asked repeatedly to provide evidence proving the documents submitted by UZODINMA were fake and they could not produce a single one. Both INEC and PDP/IHEDIOHA could not produce a single evidence to back up their claim.

I am sure you never read the judgement because if you did, you would not be typing this nonsense as you did before

You attempt to authentic a document by EXAMINING the document for abnormalities. The body who supposedly issued the document had sworn it was not authentic. ALSO you take into account that accepting the documents makes for impossible math.

Replacing a seating governor is an extreme step. You don’t undertake it based on clearly questionable documents produced by the beneficiary!

CanadaOrBust:
You attempt to authentic a document by EXAMINING the document for abnormalities. The body who supposedly issued the document had sworn it was not authentic. ALSO you take into account that accepting the documents makes for impossible math.

Replacing a seating governor is an extreme step. You don’t undertake it based on clearly questionable documents produced by the beneficiary!

INEC claimed the document was fake thus the results were also fake. SC asked them to provide their own copies for comparison and they could not produce a single one.

In the court of law nobody takes verbal assertions by face value. You made a claim that it was fake then you must be ready to prove it is fake because the moment you alleged it was fake it then becomes a criminal matter and liable to jail time.

iNEC could not prove their assertion because all they had was a verbal rebuttal but no actual evidence WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE BECAUSE ALL PARTIES INCLUDING INEC, THE POLICE AT THE POLLING UNITS, ALL PARTY AGENTS ALL RECEIVE COPIES OF THE RESULTS EACH FOR SAKE OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

UZODINMA PRODUCED HIS OWN, THE POLICE PRODUCED THEIR OWN, INEC AND IHEDIOHA COULD NOT PRODUCE THEIR OWN.

This shows INEC connived with IHEDIOHA to rig otherwise what happened to their own copies when others had theirs

Blindersoff:
INEC claimed the document was fake thus the results were also fake. SC asked them to provide their own copies for comparison and they could not produce a single one.

In the court of law nobody takes verbal assertions by face value. You made a claim that it was fake then you must be ready to prove it is fake because the moment you alleged it was fake it then becomes a criminal matter and liable to jail time.

iNEC could not prove their assertion because all they had was a verbal rebuttal but no actual evidence WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE BECAUSE ALL PARTIES INCLUDING INEC, THE POLICE AT THE POLLING UNITS, ALL PARTY AGENTS ALL RECEIVE COPIES OF THE RESULTS EACH FOR SAKE OF ACCOUNTABILITY.

UZODINMA PRODUCED HIS OWN, THE POLICE PRODUCED THEIR OWN, INEC AND IHEDIOHA COULD NOT PRODUCE THEIR OWN.

This shows INEC connived with IHEDIOHA to rig otherwise what happened to their own copies when others had theirs

INEC, who supposedly issued the documents, said the documents were inauthentic!
The least you could do was at least EXAMINE the documents for abnormalities before rushing ahead to
take the extreme step of replacing a seating governor with the appellant based solely on those same clearly questionable, uncollaborated, unexamined documents supplied solely by the appellant!

CanadaOrBust:
INEC, who supposedly issued the documents, said the documents were inauthentic!
The least you could do was at least EXAMINE the documents for abnormalities before rushing ahead to
take the extreme step of replacing a seating governor with the appellant based solely on those same clearly questionable, uncollaborated, unexamined documents supplied solely by the appellant!

You are very obtuse!

How can the SC examine the tendered document without INEC providing their own true copies for comparison?

Did you not see where I have repeatedly said INEC/IHEDIOHA COULD NOT PROVIDE A SINGLE DOCUMENT AS PROOF THAT UZODINMA SUBMITTED FAKES?

Are you high or deliberately blind to whatever you read?

Will the SC manufacture on its own what INEC should have in their possession?

Blindersoff:
Here’s the summary of this ruling

1. Hope alleged that duly signed results from 388 PUs were excluded
2. He provided these duly signed results as evidence
3. INEC said those were not results from those PUs
4. Ok, show the real results na..they could not
5. SC to INEC/Ihedioha: Gerarahia!

This supreme court justices need to go back to primary school. How can 366 results be used to admit a figure of 310,225 from 388 polling units?

That alone should be enough to cancel the election cause even the appellant couldn't produce results for the whole 388 PUs.
It's also obvious that the presiding officers did not sign those results which is why the trial and appeal courts rejected them. Only for the supreme court to accept them based on the fact that they are duplicates. Which kind madness be dat?

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Agboriotejoye:
This supreme court justices need to go back to primary school. How can 366 results be used to admit a figure of 310,225 from 388 polling units?

That alone should be enough to cancel the election cause even the appellant couldn't produce results for the whole 388 PUs.
It's also obvious that the presiding officers did not sign those results which is why the trial and appeal courts rejected them. Only for the supreme court to accept them based on the fact that they are duplicates. Which kind madness be dat?

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Trash!

It is actually 388 and not 366. Plus Uzodinma already had over 94,000 votes before the illegally cancelled results from 388 PUs were now included.

So there was no 310k result from 366 PUs rather there was an additional 215k from 388 PUs

Stop being blind and hard at learning

Blindersoff:
You are very obtuse!

How can the SC examine the tendered document without INEC providing their own true copies for comparison?

Did you not see where I have repeatedly said INEC/IHEDIOHA COULD NOT PROVIDE A SINGLE DOCUMENT AS PROOF THAT UZODINMA SUBMITTED FAKES?

Are you high or deliberately blind to whatever you read?

Will the SC manufacture on its own what INEC should have in their possession?

You obviously did not read the respondent attorney’s submission that the documents were not even properly signed and were smudgy and incomplete. A simple cursory EXAMINATION would have revealed all that.
Don’t you think that at least that should have been done before rushing ahead to replace a seating governor with the appellant based SOLEY on those same documents??!!

Blindersoff:
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Trash!

It is actually 388 and not 366. Plus Uzodinma already had over 94,000 votes before the illegally cancelled results from 388 PUs were now included.

So there was no 310k result from 366 PUs rather there was an additional 215k from 388 PUs

Stop being blind and hard at learning

Did you not read what you pasted? the documents were listed as PPP1-PPP3666 or are you just poor with numbers like our supreme court judges?

Let me tell you. The supreme court just opened a floodgate by turning itself to a results authentication body. Going forward, what anyone would need to do to win elections in Nigeria would be to get polling unit officers to write results for them and tender same in conjunction with our very corrupt police and tadaa, they are declared winners irrespective of any other thing including whether the numbers add up or not.

This is same as saying an oluwole certificate is genuine as long as WAEC cannot produce a "genuine" to the contrary while we know that most oluwole results don't have the genuine. Why didn't kemi go to court self about her NYSC matter Oh I forgot Tanko was not yet CJN then!! Someone should inform her she has a case now

Agboriotejoye:
Did you not read what you pasted? the documents were listed as PPP1-PPP3666 or are you just poor with numbers like our supreme court judges?

Let me tell you. The supreme court just opened a floodgate by turning itself to a results authentication body. Going forward, what anyone would need to do to win elections in Nigeria would be to get polling unit officers to write results for them and tender same in conjunction with our very corrupt police and tadaa, they are declared winners irrespective of any other thing including whether the numbers add up or not.

This is same as saying an oluwole certificate is genuine as long as WAEC cannot produce a "genuine" to the contrary while we know that most oluwole results don't have the genuine. Why didn't kemi go to court self about her NYSC matter Oh I forgot Tanko was not yet CJN then!! Someone should inform her she has a case now

The SC was not appealed to authenticate results but to reinstate results previously cancelled without an incidence form stipulating why they were cancelled.

All they did was return results illegally cancelled and it was INEC and IHEDIOHA who claimed the results were fake thus crossing over into criminal grounds.

The SC then asked for INEC and IHEDIOHAS own copies for sake of seeing if indeed the results UZODINMA tendered were fake.

The SC also sent a subpoena to the DCP for their own copies.

The DCP tendered theirs, it matched the copies UZODINMA submitted but INEC and IHEDIOHA could not submit even one copy of their own. WHY?

Thus the SC had no choice but to rely on the sole evidence which was not contested by INEC or IHEDIOHA.

How does this then amount to the SC authenticating documents when the body meant to authenticate the document in the person of INEC could not challenge it with documents of their own?

Plus the numbers are not the business of the SC because that was not the appeal before her. If you read the judgement you would have seen the SC repeatedly state that their business was THE CRUX OF THE MATTER which is the appeal filed by UZODINMA and not voters count or numbers

CanadaOrBust:
You obviously did not read the respondent attorney’s submission that the documents were not even properly signed and were smudgy and incomplete. A simple cursory EXAMINATION would have revealed all that.
Don’t you think that at least that should have been done before rushing ahead to replace a seating governor with the appellant based SOLEY on those same documents??!!

Don't mind him. A result that only APC and the police have is genuine to the blindman. Just imagine the supreme court!! How can you say you need to call PU officers to prove there was no voting and violence or rigging but you don't need to call them to prove that results are genuine. Unbelievable!!

Leo3333:
Oga, so how then did the Total Number of Votes exceed the Total Number of Accredited Voters?
Whose figure do we trust? INEC's or SC's

Waiting.

it is actually simple. the votes from the 388 polling units where cancelled meaning everything coming from that polling unit was not taken into account during the collation stage. When u add the new figures to the existing vote tally u still have to add they same number to the accredited voter. becos if they are valid votes then they must have first been validly accredited. you get the drift now? so let's say it was a rerun and inec does accreditat ion and voting in this new 388 polling units don't u see d existing accredited voters will increase. that is to show you both votes and accreditation of the 388 polling units where not added to the final tally that returned ihedioha. let remove sentiments I have looked at this stuff all the blame lies on pdp lawyers not supreme Court. they only did what was right under the law and evidence before them.

Blindersoff:
That is not the business of the SC.

Inec is to explain this.

The SC only dealt with the issue in contention and it was not vote count or vote recount

Supreme Court is the one to answer for it since it took over the power of the INEC, of the Supreme Court had done due diligence in it's course of it's duty it would have stuck with the adjudication of the tribunal and appeal court but it chose to differ with them, therefore, the Supreme Court and the Nigerian Police force have a moral obligation to explain to Nigerians were the new figures came from since the figure didn't emanate from INEC

Agboriotejoye:
Don't mind him. A result that only APC and the police have is genuine to the blindman. Just imagine the supreme court!! How can you say you need to call PU officers to prove there was no voting and violence or rigging but you don't need to call them to prove that results are genuine. Unbelievable!!

None of this is the concern of the SC.

Read the attached

Blindersoff:
The SC was not appealed to authenticate results but to reinstate results previously cancelled without an incidence form stipulating why they were cancelled.

All they did was return results illegally cancelled and it was INEC and IHEDIOHA who claimed the results were fake thus crossing over into criminal grounds.

The SC then asked for INEC and IHEDIOHAS own copies for sake of seeing if indeed the results UZODINMA tendered were fake.

The SC also sent a subpoena to the DCP for their own copies.

The DCP tendered theirs, it matched the copies UZODINMA submitted but INEC and IHEDIOHA could not submit even one copy of their own. WHY?

Thus the SC had no choice but to rely on the sole evidence which was not contested by INEC or IHEDIOHA.

How does this then amount to the SC authenticating documents when the body meant to authenticate the document in the person of INEC could not challenge it with documents of their own?

Plus the numbers are not the business of the SC because that was not the appeal before her. If you read the judgement you would have seen the SC repeatedly state that their business was THE CRUX OF THE MATTER which is the appeal filed by UZODINMA and not voters count or numbers

It's obvious you didn't read what you pasted. The supreme court did not subpoena anybody. That was done at the trial court. The supreme court only held that
1. You don't need testimony of PU officers to prove that elections held
2. PPP1-PPP366 can be admitted since the burden of proving them false is on INEC and Ihedioha not on Uzodinma/APC who tendered them
3. Results tendered by police are admissible as evidence since they are at the PUs
4. You don't need to certify duplicate copies of the original

The DCP tendered PPP1-P366 while Uzodinma was only able to tender only 358 copies. Mind you Ihedioha also tendered forms EC8 series too. Supreme court is saying that he did not disprove the ones tendered by Uzodinma/Police.

You are also playing the same dumb game by the supreme court. One of the methods of satisfying elections is by the figures adding up. If the figures are discountenanced, how then are you able to expose cases of overvoting, not to talk of the fact that ballot box stuffing simply becomes fashionable. So, if the numbers are not the business of the SC, how did they know that adding 213k votes to Uzodinma will be sufficient to make him governor. Also, why did they ask INEC to check if the numbers of Matawalle were sufficient to make him governor in ths Zamfara matter and just declare him outright?
You should have read what you pasted and made sure you understood before jumping in to argue.

walexbiz:
Supreme Court is the one to answer for it since it took over the power of the INEC, of the Supreme Court had done due diligence in it's course of it's duty it would have stuck with the adjudication of the tribunal and appeal court but it chose to differ with them, therefore, the Supreme Court and the Nigerian Police force have a moral obligation to explain to Nigerians were the new figures came from since the figure didn't emanate from INEC

On the contrary, INEC has the moral obligation to present to the general public the incidence form stating clearly why all votes from 388 PUs were cancelled. That is if they documented it.

The judgement clearly stated it as HEARSAY as no document was provided to show why.

This alone shows INEC was compromised by PDP.

Also, INEC should explain to the general public how come UZODINMA and the POLICE have copies of these results from the PU yet PDP with party agents present did not have any to present and INEC also did not have original copies to present. And by the way, under electoral law the police are also meant to have their own copies for sake of accountability

If there was violence, rigging or malpractice in those PUs which should explain why INEC and IHEDIOHA did not have their own copies, HOW COME THERE IS NO INCIDENCE FORM ATTESTING TO THAT?

Do you see that the real riggers were INEC and PDP?

pquaver:
it is actually simple. the votes from the 388 polling units where cancelled meaning everything coming from that polling unit was not taken into account during the collation stage. When u add the new figures to the existing vote tally u still have to add they same number to the accredited voter. becos if they are valid votes then they must have first been validly accredited. you get the drift now? so let's say it was a rerun and inec does accreditat ion and voting in this new 388 polling units don't u see d existing accredited voters will increase. that is to show you both votes and accreditation of the 388 polling units where not added to the final tally that returned ihedioha. let remove sentiments I have looked at this stuff all the blame lies on pdp lawyers not supreme Court. they only did what was right under the law and evidence before them.

It doesn't work that way bros. Have you seen a PU result before? Do you know there will be accredited voters, voided votes, votes for each party etc which must all add up to the accredited voters and must not exceed registered voters for that PU? That is why the results were rejected by the Appeal court. The results produced by Uzodinma had only his details as well as Ihedioha. No other party, no voided votes no total accredited voters. Nothing!! Just two parties and the signature of their party agents. Very abnormal I tell you.

Agboriotejoye:
It's obvious you didn't read what you pasted. The supreme court did not subpoena anybody. That was done at the trial court. The supreme court only held that
1. You don't need testimony of PU officers to prove that elections held
2. PPP1-PPP366 can be admitted since the burden of proving them false is on INEC and Ihedioha not on Uzodinma/APC who tendered them
3. Results tendered by police are admissible as evidence since they are at the PUs
4. You don't need to certify duplicate copies of the original

The DCP tendered PPP1-P366 while Uzodinma was only able to tender only 358 copies. Mind you Ihedioha also tendered forms EC8 series too. Supreme court is saying that he did not disprove the ones tendered by Uzodinma/Police.

You are also playing the same dumb game by the supreme court. One of the methods of satisfying elections is by the figures adding up. If the figures are discountenanced, how then are you able to expose cases of overvoting, not to talk of the fact that ballot box stuffing simply becomes fashionable. So, if the numbers are not the business of the SC, how did they know that adding 213k votes to Uzodinma will be sufficient to make him governor. Also, why did they ask INEC to check if the numbers of Matawalle were sufficient to make him governor in ths Zamfara matter and just declare him outright?
You should have read what you pasted and made sure you understood before jumping in to argue.

You are the one playing the dumb game by not realizing that the SC cannot dabble into what was not appealed before her.

Did anyone appeal for a vote count or recount?

Did INEC or IHEDIOHA appeal for such?

If none did this then means it was not in contention between both parties thus not any business of the SC.

The SC only attends to cases already handled by the lower courts and does not manufacture new appeals when the appellant or respondent have not tabled same before her

Do you think the SC is a kangaroo court?

I repeat read the attached

Blindersoff:
None of this is the concern of the SC.

Read the attached

Read page 14 and 22. Only APC's agents signed the EC8B forms presented by Uzodinma. Even the PU officers did not sign them. That is the reason why INEC rejected them. But the SC said you don't need to call PU officers to authenticate result dat don't have their signatures and are only 366 instead of 388. You self reason am na. Though it may be hard being a.... y'know

Blindersoff:
You are the one playing the dumb game by not realizing that the SC cannot dabble into what was not appealed before her.

Did anyone appeal for a vote count or recount?

Did INEC or IHEDIOHA appeal for such?

If none did this then means it was not in contention between both parties thus not any business of the SC.

The SC only attends to cases already handled by the lower courts and does not manufacture new appeals when the appellant or respondent have not tabled same before her

Do you think the SC is a kangaroo court?

I repeat read the attached

I don't get you. Who mentioned vote count here? Are you saying SC are dummies who only look at what you push to them and not circumstances surrounding it? Have you heard of mistrial or retrial before? Or are you saying if the evidence is pointing at something else, since it's not in ur prayers before the court, then it should be discountenanced? Truth is the SC judgment is watery. They should just review it based on this glaring clerical error.

I've asked you. With what SC has done, don't you think an Oluwole certificate can now be admitted as genuine in court as long as WAEC can't tender anything to the contrary when we all know that oluwole most times don't have genuine copies?

I'm talking about the numbers not adding up you're talking about vote count. Na wa o.

Agboriotejoye:
Read page 14 and 22. Only APC's agents signed the EC8B forms presented by Uzodinma. Even the PU officers did not sign them. That is the reason why INEC rejected them. But the SC said you don't need to call PU officers to authenticate result dat don't have their signatures and are only 366 instead of 388. You self reason am na. Though it may be hard being a.... y'know

Since INEC rejected them as fake why then could they not produce an incidence form stating that elections did not hold in the 388 PUs but they all agreed that elections held.

Who then is the idiot? Definitely not the SC

Agboriotejoye:
I don't get you. Who mentioned vote count here? Are you saying SC are dummies who only look at what you push to them and not circumstances surrounding it? I've asked you. With what SC has done, don't you think an Oluwole certificate can now be admitted as genuine in court as long as WAEC can't tender anything to the contrary when we all know that oluwole most times don't have genuine copies?

I'm talking about the numbers not adding up you're talking about vote count. Na wa o.

So numbers not adding up are not as a result of vote count right?

Maybe it is as a result of biology.

Wailer grow some much needed sense

CanadaOrBust:
As a disinterested, nonpartisan party, I render the final and honest opinion:

The Supreme Court has partisan bias

If the governor were APC they would not have so promptly removed him. The worst they would have done was order a re-run. And they would base that decision on those same reasons the respondents presented.

The appellant's appeal is that he should be declared winner because with his denied votes he was the winner.

Court can't give a re-run because INEC and Ihedioha failed to prove their reason for the votes denied uzodinma.

A re-run would be a condone to an injustice.

Justice is always two -edged bro.