okoroemeka:
the success of a cucumber farm in the middle of a dry harmattan season starts from the seed,it is now obvious that Tokyo is not meant for the dry season,also the issue of curved fruits are more prevalent during dry season,WHY?dry season comes with high population of crazy insects that cannot survive during rainy season and in turn the poor frustrated farmer will fire up his knapsack to blast them away with a concoction of different insecticides,which creates another problem,the dry season with bush burning and inhospitable environment has reduced the population of benefical insects and the farmer on a quest to rid his farm of whiteflys and leafminers kills off most of the few remaining beneficial insects causing poor pollination and bent fruits ,for you to recover anything from that farm,first remove all infected yellow leafs and dispose properly,look for ridomil gold copper or redforce mix with foliar fertilizer and spray,forget about insecticide and white fly you can't win the battle,apply npk 201010 with urea and irrigate well,if you are using hose apply manure also because the hose pressure will leach away the npk in no time,spray every 4-5 days if possible to clear away the infection.

Great

But I've planted Tokyo f1 @technisem® at dry season and it's successful

@aquadude15

Nobody want to see the hardwork go to vain but the plants you have are a lost cause. At this stage the plants should be much taller with much vegetation, but the leaves are extremely infected they can no longer support the plant talk less of fruits. Put it down as a learning experience. You will be better for it. @jidestroud assessment is spot on.

My advice is save your cash and farm materials, uproot all the plants ASAP and burn them away from your farm. This will potentially stop your farm land from being infected and further infections.

For your next planting season use velum prime and orizon about 2 weeks before you plant. Go and follow what I wrote in this post: https://www.nairaland.com/4822157/500000-naira-one-plot-land/44#81558022
And come back to details your results.

It is so important your plants start strongly because it really helps them fight infections. Never joke with pre-plant Fertiliser application. For me just organic manure is not enough, you have to give inorganic Fertilisers (SSP, P Nitrate, C Nitrate) also in adequate amounts. This will boost the initial growth of your plants then 80% of the battle is already won.

@Lofarms I see you eh . Continue your work. The above information is also very critical for you. Next planting season, you must do great things. Just focus on your goal.

If you have to do something, do it right and do it large or go home!

The signs of the results he got were obvious from the start but he ignored them even when his attention was called to them. Sorry. Try again later. Cucumber no dey forgive.

saliubello:
The signs of the results he got were obvious from the start but he ignored them even when his attention was called to them. Sorry. Try again later. Cucumber no dey forgive.

That's the point right there. Cucumber no dey forgive rara. I advice new farmers to do it small first or move to other crops cause cucumber is work,skill and experience

Liftitupo:


I read the link. Read it very well. The post says that murano is gynecious which is also predominated female. The writer is seriously confused. This is where theory is needed. You can only mix gynecious. You people should get your facts right. Murano is not gynecious. It is female pre dominated. You people keep deceiving yourselves. Pisto himself said his first cucumber was cu999 and murano. He has said it in his group how Jasper supplied him cu999 and how he got murano from technisem in Ibadan. Then, he added nagano to the field. Pisto mixes too. You just need to understand what you are doing based on your market. And he said that was his last time of doing it cos he only wanted to test cu999 market and it did not favor him in mile 12. Why mix murano and cu999 for cross pollination. Murano is female predominated. Ratio 1: 15 of male: female is needed. 1 male to 15 female. Check your murano and you will even see like 5 males or more flowers per plant while you have like minimum of 15 and going to 30 flowers. Then abortion starts after every harvest. But check cu999 female is not that much. This is why pisto recommends prunning for murano. I pity you all. Follow his teaching and you will start seeing it clearly. Go ask anyone who has planted murano without prunning. After every harvest all flowers abort which leads to poor harvest but uou blame poor pollination. Even ask people doing Darina. You should mix with only darina and greengo, and prune. Go and do your findings well. Go and search google. It is there. I pity you practical and facebook farmers. Murano is gynecious?? Scary!!! False teaching!!!! You people teach nonsense.

Hi Liftitupo.

I'm the writer of that page. I've read it myself and it's obviously an error and I've corrected it.

Murano 2 F1 is predominantly female and not gynoecious.

I learn everyday. I believe we a should humbly learn and relearn for in it lies wisdom and success.

My colleague grew Murano alone without mixing and his first harvest he couldn't realise up to 1 bag. I grew mine with a mix of cu999 in adjacent rows and got 21 and half bags.. Please reconcile that.

In fact, for most rows of Murano I noticed just about 2 male flowers. I was really scared because I understood the concept of pollination. I now consider the low number of male flowers as the cause of my friends low yield.

Agric section of Nairaland is where I visit a lot here and i love learning from the contributions of many. I've learnt a lot even from Okoroemeka and Pistotita..

I'm even planning on growing Murano alone to see if I can get crazy harvest without mixing a pollinizer just like Pistotita has taught..

Gracias

okoroemeka:
the success of a cucumber farm in the middle of a dry harmattan season starts from the seed,it is now obvious that Tokyo is not meant for the dry season,also the issue of curved fruits are more prevalent during dry season,WHY?dry season comes with high population of crazy insects that cannot survive during rainy season and in turn the poor frustrated farmer will fire up his knapsack to blast them away with a concoction of different insecticides,which creates another problem,the dry season with bush burning and inhospitable environment has reduced the population of benefical insects and the farmer on a quest to rid his farm of whiteflys and leafminers kills off most of the few remaining beneficial insects causing poor pollination and bent fruits ,for you to recover anything from that farm,first remove all infected yellow leafs and dispose properly,look for ridomil gold copper or redforce mix with foliar fertilizer and spray,forget about insecticide and white fly you can't win the battle,apply npk 201010 with urea and irrigate well,if you are using hose apply manure also because the hose pressure will leach away the npk in no time,spray every 4-5 days if possible to clear away the infection.

When do you think redforce and foliar fertilizer should be applied

FMCASH:


Great

But I've planted Tokyo f1 @technisem® at dry season and it's successful

there are two dry seasons,the hot humid dry season with dew on leafs in the morning,the other is hot very dry harmattan season with no or little dew on the leafs and very cold nights,this harmattan period will be a test for cucumber farmers , even the cu 999 we planted has very poor growth and I pity farmers using unproven variety this period.

Yemighty2:



When do you think redforce and foliar fertilizer should be applied

from 2 weeks before the tendrils comes out,if you find ridomil gold in 50 gram pack use it even if it's expired,it stops Downy mildrew and other infections,no need for elaborate chemical equations or secret formulas, even if a crop is infected it will stop the yellow spots from spreading,but know the difference between disease yellow and nutrients deficiency yellow.

okoroemeka:
from 2 weeks before the tendrils comes out,if you find ridomil gold in 50 gram pack use it even if it's expired,it stops Downy mildrew and other infections,no need for elaborate chemical equations or secret formulas, even if a crop is infected it will stop the yellow spots from spreading,but know the difference between disease yellow and nutrients deficiency yellow.

how do you differentiate disease yellow and nutrient deficiency yellow??

aquadude15:

OK boss.
noted and I would call on you when I'm about starting

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B4 u quite. Pls do this quick test. Go and buy a foliar fertilizer like Haifa and apply. Then wait for 1 week.
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How do u irrigate ur farm? How many times have u applied NPK and manure?

LoFarms:
I’m going to take a break for 4 days from this handle, I joins my neighbor in harvesting yesterday for the first time and bro the work no be for here.
We got to mile 12 around some minutes past 9.
The current price for a bag is 5k to 6k
I won’t disclose how many bags cause I’m not in the position to do that.

What I learnt is keep a transport vehicle at hand , a couple of them
Secondly strictly for Lagos market, have contacts of various vegetable farmers.

Day #32 mixture of Murano and Marketer
The plants are on steriods
Weeding has been completed
Couple of flowers
Marketer already has flowers planted it five days before Murano
Trellis nets have been placed
Cycled chemical application, fertilizer and manure
We are counting days.
Watch this space.
No pictures didn’t have the time to visit my farm.

Keep it up.

FarmTech:

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B4 u quite. Pls do this quick test. Go and buy a foliar fertilizer like Haifa and apply. Then wait for 1 week.
.
How do u irrigate ur farm? How many times have u applied NPK and manure?

thank you boss, I will do just that.
I frigate manually and deeply. I have applied manure twice and npk oncr

Psalmy2cute:
how do you differentiate disease yellow and nutrient deficiency yellow??

disease yellow will be bronze or yellow spots surrounded by green leaf colour and leaf underneath will be water soaked,the leafs will still have green color with yellow spots, but nutrients deficiency yellow will be complete pale yellow covering the whole leafs with the leaf veins standing out to be little greenish

Liftitupo:

With all due respect, please explain why it did not stop the infection on your cucumber you talked about that time which you applied it to? I respect you sir, but you do not know many techniques. This is the truth. I read your comments on mixing varieties too, and you almost misled me. Your okra plants were invaded with pests too. Why?

what you have to realize is that I am a full time farmer and I do nothing else,we produce cucumbers and other crops from January to December and knows the time for each problem to come,if you have infection problem during rainy season you are in trouble, sometimes the best fungicides cannot save a farm when it is raining every 3 hrs daily and the sun have not shown for 2 weeks and the leafs are always wet for 3 weeks,but if it is dry and hot most infections are easily cleared away by copper fungicides,you talked about how I nearly misled you on mixing varieties,I am just giving out my observations from a 1000 crop Murano pilot farm we did and every morning the maximum number of male flowers we ever counted was 5,how can insects use pollen from 5 flowers to pollinate more than 2000-3000 female flower!how possible is that,most ideas are brought about by necessity,next time we did the Murano we planted it alongside cu 999 and the problem stopped,also the okra you talked about,if you have done okra before you will know that it arracts all types of insects to the leaves,I don't know why,but the type of insects I saw on our okra farm most I haven't seen in my life,so if you are planning for okra put pests into the equation because you can never see an okra leaf without a hole in it,most of what i write is from experience on failed projects, partially successful projects and the extremely successful projects, Even the ongoing project green seas at veggie city we have planted almost 50-60,000 cucumbers crops and we mixed 4 different varieties for a very good reason.

Liftitupo:


I am presently following you and pistotita. I followed pisto first because I know him through my boss. My believe was he is expensive in those days. So, I started following you. I am not joking, pisto finished flies and insect in okra farm he piloted around the time you quit. Last rainy season, he finished downy mildew when you complained it killed your farm. He is my boss friend so I know. Copper does not work on downy mildew again. Immediately you said copper works, i know you do not know what you are saying.
Go and check this technisem worker's thread called Soloxam of about 4 years ago. There is another guy in their office in Ibadan called Dayo. Murano was the first cucumber eye opener on nairaland. How did they get super high yield and posted on Nairaland. Murano SUV was still around then. When did you start your thread to say murano does not produce only? You do not know the technique.
I wish you can team up with pisto. He is very unpredictable, my boss sent one guy to him and he returned to tell my boss that Pisto told him to study okoroemeka's way of digging holes and applying manure that it is a very smart way. I was shocked myself. What I conclude is that you are good with using your brain to improvise and make a farm work. If you add techniques and knowledge of chemicals to it, I am sure you will be great. This is why I followed you and pisto bumper to bumper. I pray pisto does not leave.

Please, tone down how you mention me. I do not need partnership or investors from NL. My God is sufficient for me. And I feel I have completed my mission here. Actually, heaven will not fall if I leave. Life goes on. But I agree with people who asked me what I am doing on NL if I can make my farm successful. Afterall Tomato Jos and the likes are not here teaching or assistig. I have given my condition, and at the deadline if not met, I will press the delete button. Simple.

Wizs2019:
@aquadude15

Nobody want to see the hardwork go to vain but the plants you have are a lost cause. At this stage the plants should be much taller with much vegetation, but the leaves are extremely infected they can no longer support the plant talk less of fruits. Put it down as a learning experience. You will be better for it. @jidestroud assessment is spot on.

My advice is save your cash and farm materials, uproot all the plants ASAP and burn them away from your farm. This will potentially stop your farm land from being infected and further infections.

For your next planting season use velum prime and orizon about 2 weeks before you plant. Go and follow what I wrote in this post: https://www.nairaland.com/4822157/500000-naira-one-plot-land/44#81558022
And come back to details your results.

It is so important your plants start strongly because it really helps them fight infections. Never joke with pre-plant Fertiliser application. For me just organic manure is not enough, you have to give inorganic Fertilisers (SSP, P Nitrate, C Nitrate) also in adequate amounts. This will boost the initial growth of your plants then 80% of the battle is already won.

@Lofarms I see you eh . Continue your work. The above information is also very critical for you. Next planting season, you must do great things. Just focus on your goal.

If you have to do something, do it right and do it large or go home!

Who I’m I to argue with you. Since it’s what it is, it is what it is. I just felt bad that the le would scrap all and start afresh.
It’s well.

obstead200:

Yes. Very much. My poultry farm is probably worth over 10m in assets right now. And it was worth about 3m before the TEF grant

Liftitupo:


I am presently following you and pistotita. I followed pisto first because I know him through my boss. My believe was he is expensive in those days. So, I started following you. I am not joking, pisto finished flies and insect in okra farm he piloted around the time you quit. Last rainy season, he finished downy mildew when you complained it killed your farm. He is my boss friend so I know. Copper does not work on downy mildew again. Immediately you said copper works, i know you do not know what you are saying.
Go and check this technisem worker's thread called Soloxam of about 4 years ago. There is another guy in their office in Ibadan called Dayo. Murano was the first cucumber eye opener on nairaland. How did they get super high yield and posted on Nairaland. Murano SUV was still around then. When did you start your thread to say murano does not produce only? You do not know the technique.
I wish you can team up with pisto. He is very unpredictable, my boss sent one guy to him and he returned to tell my boss that Pisto told him to study okoroemeka's way of digging holes and applying manure that it is a very smart way. I was shocked myself. What I conclude is that you are good with using your brain to improvise and make a farm work. If you add techniques and knowledge of chemicals to it, I am sure you will be great. This is why I followed you and pisto bumper to bumper. I pray pisto does not leave.

After four days I see another pistotita moniker on my thread. The same tread he cried about been pushed to fp. Na wa ooo. Anyways. I’m not arrogant and will not ask Seun or mods to remove any user from here. Na free world so y’all can post, preach and do what y’all do. But I still stand my ground Pistotita take a picture of your farm with one of the national newspapers clearly showing the date. I believe you’re a Gardner. Yes I’ve called you out. Prove to us you’re not a Gardner. Till then reply, abuse , defame I don’t give a hoot. Gracias.

Update
Farm is doing very well , leaves are still green
Weeding has been completed
I’m thinking of applying fertilizer on the ground close to the plant
Flowers are out
Day #35

Don’t be afraid of failure cause you only need one shot at success.

Going offline for two days. I have a real life and a farm to attend to.

aquadude15:

thank you boss, I will do just that.
I frigate manually and deeply. I have applied manure twice and npk oncr

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Manually? That would be tough oo. Watering is not enof If u get bitter tasting cukes. Let's see what happen. Meanwhile, control pests well with other types of insecticides like chlorfenapyr, emamectin benzoate, abamectin etc. It is not gud to use only 1 type of insecticides. Read up insecticide mode of action groups.

Liftitupo post=863043o16:

Thank you for coming out straight. So good to know the farmer FarmTech quoted has come out. It is getting clearer that Pistotita might be right about these moderators. FarmTech who is a moderator is desperate to discredit him whereas his initial posts to him sounded like he wanted to investigate scams.

Did you read Pistotita's clarification? Read this link again:
https://www.nairaland.com/5178983/40-cucumbers-per-plant-12kg/24#86195877

Profit is more important than more bags. What is the profit in making the cucumber have lighter green color when it commands low price in his market choice? This is the same market for over 70% big farmers close to Lagos. It is nice if your market accepts. Did you read the part he mentioned Cu999 will make higher yield if the farmer is not skillful? 1 bag of only murano compared to 21 bags of cu999 together with murano is too wide. Something else might be wrong. This is what you should find out. Why has pistotita dumped Murano too? Get your facts before you start anything. Mind you, pisto is the first who mentioned mixing in his thread. Perhaps you got it from him too if you want to be honest.

1. There three farmers that complained of the same problem. They grew only Murano

2. I didn't get the concept of growing Murano with a pollenizer from Pistotita.. I was making some research because of the problem.. When my thoughts were confirmed by another farmer.

3. Leaning on my studies on genetics in the higher institution, I don't agree that cross-pollination distorts the original phenotypic characters of a fruit .

I know characters of the crossbreeding will only show in the offsprings which are the seed.
And we are not planning to recycle those seeds.

4..The Murano cucumbers were not light green. I started noticing some light green Murano cucumbers towards the end of production. The cause of this was that I didn't fertilize after sometime and soil nutrients were depleted.

5. The Murano I grew with Cu999 in my cureent project has started flowering seriously. I've checked all the rows but didn't see any male Murano flowers. The male flowers may come out later may be in one or two plants. I'm just imagining what would have happened if there is no pollenizer for pollinators to work with.

6. I still have some Murano seeds. I'll do a pilot project following all procedures in Pistotita's post to see the results.

Gracias

Silvereze:


1. There three farmers that complained of the same problem. They grew only Murano

2. I didn't get the concept of growing Murano with a pollenizer from Pistotita.. I was making some research because of the problem.. When my thoughts were confirmed by another farmer.

3. Leaning on my studies on genetics in the higher institution, I don't agree that cross-pollination distorts the original phenotypic characters of a fruit .

I know characters of the crossbreeding will only show in the offsprings which are the seed.
And we are not planning to recycle those seeds.

4..The Murano cucumbers were not light green. I started noticing some light green Murano cucumbers towards the end of production. The cause of this was that I didn't fertilize after sometime and soil nutrients were depleted.

5. The Murano I grew with Cu999 in my cureent project has started flowering seriously. I've checked all the rows but didn't see any male Murano flowers. The male flowers may come out later may be in one or two plants. I'm just imagining what would have happened if there is no pollenizer for pollinators to work with.

6. I still have some Murano seeds. I'll do a pilot project following all procedures in Pistotita's post to see the results.

Gracias

I can't remember where I read that "murano f1 is predominantly female flowers while murano 2f1 is gynoecium". Did you and those 3 farmers grow 2f1? If the bolded statement is true, could that be the reason while you are not seeing male flowers in the 2f1? Could that also be the reason while the 3 farmers you mentioned were having same issue? I can relate well with the f1, it did well without pollenizer but have not planted the 2f1.

Silvereze:


1. There three farmers that complained of the same problem. They grew only Murano

2. I didn't get the concept of growing Murano with a pollenizer from Pistotita.. I was making some research because of the problem.. When my thoughts were confirmed by another farmer.

3. Leaning on my studies on genetics in the higher institution, I don't agree that cross-pollination distorts the original phenotypic characters of a fruit .

I know characters of the crossbreeding will only show in the offsprings which are the seed.
And we are not planning to recycle those seeds.

4..The Murano cucumbers were not light green. I started noticing some light green Murano cucumbers towards the end of production. The cause of this was that I didn't fertilize after sometime and soil nutrients were depleted.

5. The Murano I grew with Cu999 in my cureent project has started flowering seriously. I've checked all the rows but didn't see any male Murano flowers. The male flowers may come out later may be in one or two plants. I'm just imagining what would have happened if there is no pollenizer for pollinators to work with.

6. I still have some Murano seeds. I'll do a pilot project following all procedures in Pistotita's post to see the results.

Gracias

God bless you for this.

Cross pollination results in hybrid seeds and such hybrid seeds when planted results in hybrid plants.

There is nothing like hybrid fruits resulting from the cross pollination of a plant. Hybrid fruit characteristics can only emerge if the seeds from the cross pollination are planted.

Mr epistle got this part wrong when he was advising people not to mix different cucumber seeds for planting.