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Re: See 8 Most Controversial Issues In The Church Today by omojeesu(m): 8:25am On Feb 03, 2020
IsraelOA:
What is the Christian view on gay marriage? Are spiritual gifts biblical? Can Christians drink alcohol? These are some of the topics that often cause heated controversy within the church today. Christians take very different opinions on these issues and both sides refer to Scripture to support their views. Discernment is certainly necessary, even among a group of believers in today's culture. Whatever your views on each of these topics, hopefully reading this list of the areas where the church often experiences division will encourage us as Christ-followers to strive for unity within our own churches and even across denominations, because although there is much division and controversy among the broader church, there are also core doctrines that unite us.

1. GAY MARRIAGE
Gay marriage and whether it should be allowed in the church is certainly at the top of the list of modern-day controversial subjects. One need not search current headlines for long to find evidence of this controversy.

This issue has caused division among many denominations. The Presbyterian Church (USA) supports it, while the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) and others do not support it, for example.

But perhaps nowhere is the controversy surrounding this issue more prevalent than in the Anglican Church. In recent years (and even months), the Anglican Church has softened its stance toward gay marriage and gay priests, but there is still much oppostion. Some have called on the church to be more welcoming of LGBT individuals, some go so far as supporting gay clergy and granting them the rights to perform same-sex marriages, while others remain firmly committed to the traditional definition of marriage. The United Methodist Church is experiencing controversy over this issue. You can read more about it here.

2. ABORTION
At first, one might think this subject is not so controversial within the church as it is between those in the church and those without. However, as a recent Pew Research Center study shows, those who claim to be religious yet don't associate themselves with a particular denomination actually are mostly in favor of abortion, with only 17 percent opposing it.

Still, a majority of Christians are pro-life, but the subject remains a controversial one within the church, especially when it comes to the argument that pro-life should mean more than simply "pro-birth."

3. WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP
The issue of women teaching/preaching in church can quickly become heated. Again, more conservative denominations tend to be against women in leadership roles, while more liberal denominations tend to accept it.
Recently, there has been a particular crisis on this issue with the rise of Christian women bloggers. The online presence and followers these women have is substantial and has caused some within Christianity to question their authority, even though they are not preaching/teaching in a traditional church setting.

4. TYPE OF WORSHIP MUSIC
Contemporary or traditional? Hymns or modern worship songs? This is definitely an issue that tends to spark debate within many churches. It's often even a deciding factor when someone chooses a church to belong to. This issue also tends to divide believers between older and younger generations.

Even certain instruments can be controversial. A drum set might not be considered acceptable in some churches, while another church may have an entire praise band with a full range of instruments.

Some churches have attempted to resolve the controversy by using both traditional and contemporary songs intermixed during their worship services or even providing two different services--one more traditional and one more modern.

5. SPIRITUAL GIFTS
Although spiritual gifts are mentioned several times in the New Testament, different church denominations have different interpretations of what it truly means to have and use a spiritual gift.

The spiritual gift of speaking in tongues tends to be the most controversial of any spiritual gift. While Pentecostals fully affirm this spiritual gift, other denominations have gone so far as so say that speaking in tongues is offending the Holy Spirit.

Other Christians embrace spiritual gifts and even encourage congregants or church staffers to take spiritual gift tests to see where they are best equiped to serve.

6. BAPTISM
Although practically all churches practice baptism, baptism rituals in different denominations not only vary in practice but in theology. There has been a heated debate within the church for centuries on whether the Bible promotes infant or only believer baptism.

More liturgical churches even tend to give the impression that baptism is essential for salvation, while others don't seem to put a lot of weight on it. Some churches also baptize infants, but see it not as evidence of salvation, but rather as a commitment by the child's family and church body to bring up the child in the fear of the Lord. In this way, an infant baptism is more like a dedication of the child.

Still other churches only baptize those who are old enough to make a profession of faith of their own free will.

Chrisitans also have opinions on how and where baptisms should take place--by sprinkling of water, by pouring water on someone, or by full immersion.

7. POLITICS FROM THE PULPIT
Should ministers talk about politics or endorse a specific political party or view from the pulpit?

Churchgoers have very different views on the subject, but the controversy isn't confined to the church. Several months ago, President Trump signed an executive order ceasing enforcement of the Johnson Amendment, which prohibited a church, as a nonprofit entity, from endorsing and promoting a particular political party or candidate. Many championed the executive order, saying that it gave churches more religious freedom, but others maintained that siding with a certain political party is not something a church should be doing.

8. ALCOHOL
Can Christians drink alcohol? This question opens up all kinds of debate within the church. Many churchgoers believe Christians should completely stay away from alcohol, bars, and anything that has to do with drinking since the Bible condemns drunkenness and instructs Christ-followers to be sober-minded.

Other churchgoers, however, believe that consuming alcohol in moderation is not a sin. These Christians often argue their point from 1 Corinthians 8 in which the Apostle Paul says to "Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak." Many take this to mean, by the context surrounding it, that drinking alcohol is permitted, but Christians should be careful not to cause someone who is prone to alcohol abuse or someone who believes it is a sin, to stumble in his/her faith by seeing another Christian drinking.

A church's views on alcohol can even be seen sometimes in the worship service; some churches use grape juice for Communion, while others use wine.

https://590amtheword.com/articles/church/pastors-or-leadership/here-are-8-of-the-most-controversial-issues-in-the-church-today

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Re: See 8 Most Controversial Issues In The Church Today by Oluromantic: 4:47pm On Feb 03, 2020
sandyisioma:


Hi, Dag Heward-Mills is a Ghanaian Pastor.
Ok noted. Thanks
Re: See 8 Most Controversial Issues In The Church Today by FarmTech(m): 11:43pm On Feb 03, 2020
mvem:
We are talking about Adultery here. A married man or woman looking at another sexually when he or she has a wife NOT a single person. And when is human nature according to the bible sinful...you guyz just take things out of context
.
For single persons and married people, it is called 'lust'.
.
Human nature according to the bible:

"Romans 8:6-16
Bible / Bible Versions /
Good News Translation / Romans /
Romans 8 / Romans 8:6-16
6 To be controlled by human nature results in death; to be controlled by the Spirit results in life and peace. 7 And so people become enemies of God when they are controlled by their human nature; for they do not obey God's law, and in fact they cannot obey it. 8 Those who obey their human nature cannot please God. 9 But you do not live as your human nature tells you to; instead, you live as the Spirit tells you to - if, in fact, God's Spirit lives in you. Whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ lives in you, the Spirit is life for you because you have been put right with God, even though your bodies are going to die because of sin. 11 If the Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from death, lives in you, then he who raised Christ from death will also give life to your mortal bodies by the presence of his Spirit in you. 12 So then, my friends, we have an obligation, but it is not to live as our human nature wants us to. 13 For if you live according to your human nature, you are going to die; but if by the Spirit you put to death your sinful actions, you will live. 14 Those who are led by God's Spirit are God's children. 15 For the Spirit that God has given you does not make you slaves and cause you to be afraid; instead, the Spirit makes you God's children, and by the Spirit's power we cry out to God, "Father! my Father!" 16 God's Spirit joins himself to our spirits to declare that we are God's children.
In Context Parall" - https://www.biblestudytools.com/gnt/romans/passage/?q=romans+8:6-16
Re: See 8 Most Controversial Issues In The Church Today by Kfed4ril(m): 7:08am On Feb 04, 2020
babyfaceafrica:



The Bible clearly said divorce is not allowed unless in the case of Adultery,



So even if my husband beats me, drinks and smokes.. I should still be with him


Didn’t you know he was a smoker/ drinker before you married him?
And for your husband to beat you means he must have done it when you were dating,
So I ask again didn’t you see these signs before marring him?
Re: See 8 Most Controversial Issues In The Church Today by sandyisioma(f): 2:02am On Feb 12, 2020
Oluromantic:

Ok noted. Thanks


You’re welcome.
Re: See 8 Most Controversial Issues In The Church Today by sniperr007(m): 4:03am On Mar 07, 2020
Oluromantic:
That abortion is really an issue. We know God doesn't approve it but what does one do when the pregnancy is a threat to the carrier's life or it's a product of incest/bestiality or violation/rape that comes with psychic trauma at the site of the child.

I know a church(name withheld) that says wearing tight(female underwear in place of pant) is a sin. That anything that looks like knicker or trouser whether in or out is sinful for a woman to wear.

Another issue is sex. Dag heaward-mills(a popular American pastor) said in one of his books that it's not sinful for couples to engage in orall sex. But many other pastors condemn it

Another issue is divorce. A particular popular church in Nigeria with its head pastor now a divorcee is said to have the highest record of divorce within its members among xtain organizations in Nigeria. In d Western world, it's even a normal routine among xtains. Which does one believe?

Idea of MouthAction, anal sex, party etc are products of pornography.
Maybe that's why they are against them
Re: See 8 Most Controversial Issues In The Church Today by orisa37: 7:32am On Mar 07, 2020
THE BREATH OF GOD IN US IS OUR CONSCIENCE OF GOOD AND EVIL AND GOD HIMSELF IS THE FULCRUM OF OUR CONSCIENCE. PRAYER IS THE SOLUTION OF ALL CONTROVERSIES.
Re: See 8 Most Controversial Issues In The Church Today by oaroloye(m): 11:22am On Jun 19, 2022
SHALOM!

IsraelOA:

What is the Christian view on gay marriage? Are spiritual gifts biblical? Can Christians drink alcohol? These are some of the topics that often cause heated controversy within the church today. Christians take very different opinions on these issues and both sides refer to Scripture to support their views. Discernment is certainly necessary, even among a group of believers in today's culture. Whatever your views on each of these topics, hopefully reading this list of the areas where the church often experiences division will encourage us as Christ-followers to strive for unity within our own churches and even across denominations, because although there is much division and controversy among the broader church, there are also core doctrines that unite us.

MILLIONS OF OYINBOS SUFFER UNDER THE DELUSION THAT THEY ARE CHRISTIANS, WHO WILL RECEIVE A FAVOURABLE JUDGMENT WITH GOD.

They think that they can break, ignore, and invent any Commandments they want, and still be accepted by God.

. DEUTERONOMY 12:32-13:5.

32. What thing soever
I Command you,
observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.
IF there arise among you a Prophet,
or a Dreamer of Dreams,
and giveth thee a Sign or a Wonder,
2. And the Sign or
the Wonder come to pass,
whereof he spake unto thee,
saying,

"LET US GO AFTER OTHER GODS,
WHICH THOU HAST NOT KNOWN,
AND LET US SERVE THEM;"


3. Thou shalt not hearken unto
The Words of that Prophet,
or that Dreamer of Dreams:
for The LORD your God proveth you,
to know whether ye love
The LORD your God
with all your heart
and with all your soul.
4. Ye shall walk after
The LORD your God,
and fear Him,
and keep His Commandments,
and obey His Voice,
and ye shall serve Him,
and cleave unto Him.
5. And that prophet,
or that Dreamer of Dreams,
shall be put to death;
because he hath spoken
to turn you away
from The LORD your God,
Which brought you
out of the Land of Egypt,
and Redeemed you
out of the House of Bondage,
to thrust thee out of The Way
which The LORD thy God
Commanded thee to walk in.

THEY DO NOT SEE KNOWING AND KEEPING THE TEACHINGS OF LORD YESHUA AS A PRIORITIES.

. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things
whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them:
for this is The Law
and The Prophets.
13. "Enter ye in
at the strait Gate:
for wide is the Gate,
and broad is the Way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be
which go in thereat:
14. "Because strait is the gate,
and narrow is the Way,
which leadeth unto Life,
and few there be
that find It.
15. Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you
in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are
ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them
by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes
of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every Good Tree
bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a Corrupt Tree
bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree
cannot bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree
bring forth Good Fruit.
19. "Every Tree that
bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down,
and cast into the fire.
20. "Wherefore by their Fruits
ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one
that saith unto me,
'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but he that doeth
The Will of my Father
Which is in Heaven.
22. "Many will say to me
in That Day,

'LORD, LORD,
HAVE WE NOT
PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?
AND IN THY NAME
HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME
DONE MANY
WONDERFUL WORKS?'


23. "And then will I
profess unto them,

'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'


24. "Therefore whosoever
heareth these Sayings of mine,
and doeth them,
I will liken him unto
a Wise man,
which built his house
upon a rock:
25. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell not:
for it was founded
upon a rock.
26. "And every one
that heareth these Sayings
of mine,
and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto
a Foolish man,
which built his house
upon the sand:
27. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell:
and great was the fall of it."

28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had ended
these Sayings,
the people were
astonished at his Doctrine:
29. For he Taught them
as (one) having Authority,
and not as the Scribes.

THE ANCIENT HEBREWS BEGAN TRAINING THEIR SONS IN THE WAY OF GOD BY AGE 13 (Bar Mitzvah); IF THIS TRAINING WAS DEEMED TO BE A FAILURE BY AGE 20, THE PARENTS WERE COMMANDED TO RITUALLY EXECUTE THEIR OWN SONS.

. DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21.

20. And they shall say
unto the Elders of his city,

[i["THIS OUR SON
IS STUBBORN AND REBELLIOUS,
HE WILL NOT OBEY OUR VOICE;
HE IS A GLUTTON,
AND A DRUNKARD."[/i]


21. And all the men of his city
shall stone him with stones,
that he die:
so shalt thou put evil
away from among you;
and all Israel shall hear,
and fear.

IsraelOA:

1. GAY MARRIAGE
Gay marriage and whether it should be allowed in the church is certainly at the top of the list of modern-day controversial subjects. One need not search current headlines for long to find evidence of this controversy.

This issue has caused division among many denominations. The Presbyterian Church (USA) supports it, while the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) and others do not support it, for example.

But perhaps nowhere is the controversy surrounding this issue more prevalent than in the Anglican Church. In recent years (and even months), the Anglican Church has softened its stance toward gay marriage and gay priests, but there is still much oppostion. Some have called on the church to be more welcoming of LGBT individuals, some go so far as supporting gay clergy and granting them the rights to perform same-sex marriages, while others remain firmly committed to the traditional definition of marriage. The United Methodist Church is experiencing controversy over this issue. You can read more about it here.

IT IS RIDICULOUS THAT THIS SHOULD EVEN BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION: THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD ARE MOST EXPLICIT- HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CAPITAL SIN!

oaroloye:

. LEVITICUS 18:1-19:2.

AND The LORD
Spake unto Moses,
Saying,

2. "Speak unto
the Children of Israel,
and say unto them,

'I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD.
3. 'AFTER THE DOINGS
OF THE LAND OF EGYPT,
WHEREIN YE DWELT,
SHALL YE NOT DO:
AND AFTER THE DOINGS
OF THE LAND OF CANAAN,
WHITHER I BRING YOU,
SHALL YE NOT DO:
NEITHER SHALL YE
WALK IN THEIR ORDINANCES.
4. 'YE SHALL DO
MY JUDGMENTS,
AND KEEP MINE ORDINANCES,
TO WALK THEREIN:
I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD.
5. 'YE SHALL THEREFORE
KEEP MY STATUTES,
AND MY JUDGMENTS:
WHICH IF A MAN DO,
HE SHALL LIVE IN THEM:
I AM THE LORD.'


6. "None of you
shall approach to any
that is near of kin to him,
to uncover their unclothedness:
I am The LORD.
7. "The unclothedness
of thy father,
or the unclothedness
of thy mother,
shalt thou not uncover:
she is thy mother;
thou shalt not
uncover her unclothedness.
8. "The unclothedness
of thy father's wife
shalt thou not uncover:
it is thy father's unclothedness.
9. "The unclothedness
of thy sister,
the daughter of thy father,
or daughter of thy mother,
whether she be
born at home,
or born abroad,
even their unclothedness
thou shalt not uncover.
10. "The unclothedness
of thy son's daughter,
or of thy daughter's daughter,
even their unclothedness
thou shalt not uncover:
for theirs is
thine own unclothedness.
11. "The unclothedness
of thy father's wife's daughter,
begotten of thy father,
she is thy sister,
thou shalt not
uncover her unclothedness.
12. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy father's sister:
she is thy father's
near kinswoman.
13. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy mother's sister:
for she is thy mother's
near kinswoman.
14. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy father's brother,
thou shalt not
approach to his wife:
she is thine aunt.
15. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy daughter-in-law:
she is thy son's wife;
thou shalt not
uncover her unclothedness.
16. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy brother's wife:
it is thy brother's unclothedness.
17. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of a woman
and her daughter,
neither shalt thou
take her son's daughter,
or her daughter's daughter,
to uncover her unclothedness;
for they are
her near kinswomen:
it is wickedness.
18. "Neither shalt thou
take a wife to her sister,
to vex her,
to uncover her unclothedness,
beside the other
in her life time.
19. "Also thou shalt not
approach unto a woman
to uncover her unclothedness,
as long as she is put apart
for her uncleanness.
20. "Moreover thou
shalt not lie carnally
with thy neighbour's wife,
to defile thyself with her.
21. "And thou shalt not
let any of thy seed
pass through The Fire
to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane
The Name of thy God:
I am The LORD.
22. "Thou shalt not
lie with mankind,
as with womankind:
it is abomination.
23. "Neither shalt thou
lie with any beast
to defile thyself therewith:
neither shall any woman
stand before a beast
to lie down thereto:
it is confusion.
24. "Defile not ye yourselves
in any of these things:
for in all these
the nations are defiled
which I cast out before you:
25. "And the land is defiled:
therefore I do Visit
the Iniquity thereof upon it,
and the land itself vomiteth
out her inhabitants.
26. "Ye shall therefore
keep my Statutes
and my Judgments,
and shall not commit
any of these Abominations;
neither any of your own nation,
nor any stranger
that sojourneth among you:
27. [For all these abominations
have the men of the land done,
which were before you,
and the land is defiled;]
28. "That the land spue not
you out also,
when ye defile it,
as it spued out the nations
that were before you.
29. "For whosoever
shall commit
any of these Abominations,
even the souls
that commit them
shall be cut off
from among their people.
30. "Therefore shall ye
keep mine ordinance,
that ye commit not any one
of these Abominable customs,
which were committed
before you,
and that ye defile not
yourselves therein:
I am The LORD your God."

AND The LORD Spake
unto Moses,
Saying,

2. "Speak unto all
the Congregation of
the Children of Israel,
and say unto them,

'YE SHALL BE HOLY:
FOR I THE LORD YOUR GOD
AM HOLY.' "


Kobojunkie:


Anyone who submits himself to church doctrines and traditions ,that which Jesus Christ declared are all lies where the Truth of God is concerned, is a sinner and sinners have no place in God's Heaven - their pastors own kingdom maybe, but not God's own Heaven. undecided

IsraelOA:

2. ABORTION
At first, one might think this subject is not so controversial within the church as it is between those in the church and those without. However, as a recent Pew Research Center study shows, those who claim to be religious yet don't associate themselves with a particular denomination actually are mostly in favor of abortion, with only 17 percent opposing it.

Still, a majority of Christians are pro-life, but the subject remains a controversial one within the church, especially when it comes to the argument that pro-life should mean more than simply "pro-birth."

TO UNJUSTLY KILL HUMAN LIFE IS A CAPITAL SIN: FOR A WONAN TO KILL HER OWN OFFSPRING IS A CURSE!

[color=silver].[/u] DEUTERONOMY 28:56-57.

56. The tender and delicate
woman among you,
which would not adventure
to set the sole of her foot
upon the ground for delicateness
and tenderness,
her eye shall be Evil
toward the husband of her bosom,
and toward her son,
and toward her daughter,
57. And toward her young one
that cometh out from between her feet,
and toward her children
which she shall bear:
for she shall eat them
for want of all (things) secretly
in the siege and straitness,
wherewith thine enemy
shall distress thee in thy gates.

ABORTION IS DUE TO FAILURE OF FRIENDS, VERSUS TRIUMPH OF ENEMIES- CAUSED BY SIN.

IsraelOA:

3. WOMEN IN LEADERSHIP
The issue of women teaching/preaching in church can quickly become heated. Again, more conservative denominations tend to be against women in leadership roles, while more liberal denominations tend to accept it.
Recently, there has been a particular crisis on this issue with the rise of Christian women bloggers. The online presence and followers these women have is substantial and has caused some within Christianity to question their authority, even though they are not preaching/teaching in a traditional church setting.

ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF GOD BY MOSES, A FATHER CAN ANNUL HIS DAUGHTER'S OATHS, AND A HUSBAND WIFE'S OATHS.

Therefore, a Woman's Authority can be undermined by their father or by their husband.

They can be forbidden contact with other men. Such a person cannot be a Teacher of Men.

PAUL HAS NO LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY IN CHRISTIANITY WHATSOEVER.

We should not care about his Pharisee Leaven.

IsraelOA:

4. TYPE OF WORSHIP MUSIC
Contemporary or traditional? Hymns or modern worship songs? This is definitely an issue that tends to spark debate within many churches. It's often even a deciding factor when someone chooses a church to belong to. This issue also tends to divide believers between older and younger generations.

Even certain instruments can be controversial. A drum set might not be considered acceptable in some churches, while another church may have an entire praise band with a full range of instruments.

Some churches have attempted to resolve the controversy by using both traditional and contemporary songs intermixed during their worship services or even providing two different services--one more traditional and one more modern.

THE WHOLE ARGUMENT IS WITHOUT FOUNDATION: BLOOD SACRIFICE WAS ESTABLISHED BY ABEL.

What counts is WHAT DOES GOD RECOGNIZE?

If there were a particular music God has been proven to recognize, we would play it till our fingers blistered!

The point is that GOD DOES NOT RECOGNIZE ANY CHURCH MUSIC- otherwise He would have PERFECTED SUCH CHURCHES AS PLAY IT.

This is Oyinbo Vanity, worth millions into billions each year

IsraelOA:

5. SPIRITUAL GIFTS
Although spiritual gifts are mentioned several times in the New Testament, different church denominations have different interpretations of what it truly means to have and use a spiritual gift.

The spiritual gift of speaking in tongues tends to be the most controversial of any spiritual gift. While Pentecostals fully affirm this spiritual gift, other denominations have gone so far as so say that speaking in tongues is offending the Holy Spirit.

Other Christians embrace spiritual gifts and even encourage congregants or church staffers to take spiritual gift tests to see where they are best equiped to serve.

SO-CALLED SPIRITUAL GIFTS ARE PROOF OF GOD'S APPROVAL.

Absence of Spiritual Gifts are proof of God's Disapproval.

When you obey LEVITICUS 18:1-19:2, your Spiritual Energy inevitably rises, triggering THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

IsraelOA:

6. BAPTISM
Although practically all churches practice baptism, baptism rituals in different denominations not only vary in practice but in theology. There has been a heated debate within the church for centuries on whether the Bible promotes infant or only believer baptism.

More liturgical churches even tend to give the impression that baptism is essential for salvation, while others don't seem to put a lot of weight on it. Some churches also baptize infants, but see it not as evidence of salvation, but rather as a commitment by the child's family and church body to bring up the child in the fear of the Lord. In this way, an infant baptism is more like a dedication of the child.

Still other churches only baptize those who are old enough to make a profession of faith of their own free will.

Chrisitans also have opinions on how and where baptisms should take place--by sprinkling of water, by pouring water on someone, or by full immersion.

THE OYINBOS SUFFER UNDER THE DELUSION, THAT HE RECOGNIZES THEIR ALTERATIONS OF HIS TEACHINGS.

IsraelOA:

7. POLITICS FROM THE PULPIT
Should ministers talk about politics or endorse a specific political party or view from the pulpit?

Churchgoers have very different views on the subject, but the controversy isn't confined to the church. Several months ago, President Trump signed an executive order ceasing enforcement of the Johnson Amendment, which prohibited a church, as a nonprofit entity, from endorsing and promoting a particular political party or candidate. Many championed the executive order, saying that it gave churches more religious freedom, but others maintained that siding with a certain political party is not something a church should be doing.

OYINBO LOGIC IS CART-BEFIRE-HORSE.

First prove the authority of leaders in the Church, before discussing leaders dictating Politics.

IsraelOA:

8. ALCOHOL
Can Christians drink alcohol? This question opens up all kinds of debate within the church. Many churchgoers believe Christians should completely stay away from alcohol, bars, and anything that has to do with drinking since the Bible condemns drunkenness and instructs Christ-followers to be sober-minded.

Other churchgoers, however, believe that consuming alcohol in moderation is not a sin. These Christians often argue their point from 1 Corinthians 8 in which the Apostle Paul says to "Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak." Many take this to mean, by the context surrounding it, that drinking alcohol is permitted, but Christians should be careful not to cause someone who is prone to alcohol abuse or someone who believes it is a sin, to stumble in his/her faith by seeing another Christian drinking.

A church's views on alcohol can even be seen sometimes in the worship service; some churches use grape juice for Communion, while others use wine.

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LORD YESHUA DRANK ALCOHOL TO THE EXTENT HE WAS CALLED A "WINEBIBBER."

I have been cursed by New Christians before, who didn't know this was in The Bible.

If Alcohol were forbidden, God would have told Moses, and Lord Yeshua would have brought it up.

Oyinbo Christianity DOES NOT WORK- so they keep making up STUPID COMMANDMENTS, to make them, the Accursed Descendants of Accursed Forefathers, Blessed.

Which can never work.

You will never find these people condemning others who make up Fake Commandments.

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