RuudVanNisteroy:

It can't go on like this forever can it?There has to be a turnaround one can only hope

Nigeria is too polarised. And that's not good for a country.

A Fulani man will prefer to call a Fulani man from Chad or Niger Republic his brother than to call Yorubas or Igbos or any other ethnic group in Nigeria his brothers.

That's exactly what is causing the various tension in Nigeria now.

Buhari would rather give people's lands to foreigners from Chad because they are his tribesmen.

I have always said it. And I will repeat it again here.

The only way forward for Nigeria is an amicable and peaceful division into its component parts.

Anything other than that won't work.

Elections in Nigeria are all about tribe and religion.

That's why we currently have a professor of Law deputising for an 80 something year old Baba who should ordinarily be confined to old people's home.

When election comes around in 2023, mark my words, it will still be along ethno-religious lines and not who is the best and most intelligent of the candidates.

Do you ever wonder why Nigeria has 36 ministers at the federal level?

36 MINISTERS. Doing what?

Despite the number of ministers, electricity is as poor as ever.

Just look at the challenges Nigeria is facing in the year 2020.

They were the same challenges Nigeria faced in the early 80s.

Poor electricity, poor social amenities, security challenges, poor infrastructure, corruption...

The same problems, all the time.

So tell me, do you see any hope for Nigeria? A country that for 40 years and billions of dollars after still can't fix ordinary electricity. Something other nations have taken for granted.

No hope for Nigeria unless we want to keep deceiving ourselves.

Best bet is separation.

Let the people form smaller and more manageable nations on their own terms.

RuudVanNisteroy:
I grew up in Netherlands and have nothing but love for this country. This is one of the greatest civilizations ever built by visionary leaders. I feel sad anytime anytime I make a return to the homeland.

When the Dutch came to Nigeria, they brought slavery and oppression.

Long live race-mixing and diversity.

FrLukas:


Nigeria is too polarised. And that's not good for a country.

A Fulani man will prefer to call a Fulani man from Chad or Niger Republic his brother than to call Yorubas or Igbos or any other ethnic group in Nigeria his brothers.

That's exactly what is causing the various tension in Nigeria now.

Buhari would rather give people's lands to foreigners from Chad because they are his tribesmen.

I have always said it. And I will repeat it again here.

The only way forward for Nigeria is an amicable and peaceful division into its component parts.

Anything other than that won't work.

Elections in Nigeria are all about tribe and religion.

That's why we currently have a professor of Law deputising for an 80 something year old Baba who should ordinarily be confined to old people's home.

When election comes around in 2023, mark my words, it will still be along ethno-religious lines and not who is the best and most intelligent of the candidates.

Do you ever wonder why Nigeria has 36 ministers at the federal level?

36 MINISTERS. Doing what?

Despite the number of ministers, electricity is as poor as ever.

Just look at the challenges Nigeria is facing in the year 2020.

They were the same challenges Nigeria faced in the early 80s.

Poor electricity, poor social amenities, security challenges, poor infrastructure, corruption...

The same problems, all the time.

So tell me, do you see any hope for Nigeria? A country that for 40 years and billions of dollars after still can't fix ordinary electricity. Something other nations have taken for granted.

No hope for Nigeria unless we want to keep deceiving ourselves.

Best bet is separation.

Let the people form smaller and more manageable nations on their own terms.

Separation is just a convenient argument simply because we always like to feel the "other person" is the problem.

After the Separation, what happens to multi-tribal states? Will it also require separation along those tribal lines?

There is failure of governance across all tribes and religion. The Southeast (who are champions of separation) is an eyesore. They have not demonstrated good governance with the little they have in their region. Or is it the Fulanis that are stopping Southeast governors from providing their people with good roads, quality healthcare, quality education, etc?

The reality is that there is a conspiracy of the ruling class (and that cuts across all tribes and religion) to keep their people oppressed so they can always lord over them.

Now, there's an even bigger problem, and that is the fact that the problem is not just limited to the ruling class. Nearly every citizen has similar mindset of cheating and shortchanging everyone else. From artisans, to civil servants to pastors to lecturers, I mean everyone is always trying to exploit others for their personal gain at the expense of public good.

Even if you were to wipe out this current set of leaders and bring in new people completely, the same cycle is likely to continue...simply because it's an endemic societal problem and not just a leadership problem.

immhotep:

When the Dutch came to Nigeria, they brought slavery and oppression.

Long live race-mixing and diversity.

The same ones that allowed 500 thousand blacks from their caribbean colonies to migrate to the Netherlands
Not the ones I know and met when I lived there. There are many famous Afro Dutch such as Patrick Kluivert,Seedorf, Edgar Davids,Ruud Gullit that are national icons that will always be reverred and even celebrated by racists in the country

RuudVanNisteroy:

Shell has provided thousands of Nigerians with jobs and are one of the highest paying companies in the country.

They pay their tax to the government as stipulated by the tax code and do their part when it comes to Corporate Social Responsibility.
What else do you want them to do?Provide security,electricity,road network-when that is the responsibility of the governement.

Jobs?! hahaha. You're officially complicit in murder for justifying such all in the name of an internet argument. good job

OruExpress:


Jobs?! hahaha. You're officially complicit in murder for justifying such all in the name of an internet argument. good job

Thousands of jobs-fact!

Bevista:
Separation is just a convenient argument simply because we always like to feel the "other person" is the problem.

After the Separation, what happens to multi-tribal states? Will it also require separation along those tribal lines?

There is failure of governance across all tribes and religion. The Southeast (who are champions of separation) is an eyesore. They have not demonstrated good governance with the little they have in their region. Or is it the Fulanis that are stopping Southeast governors from providing their people with good roads, quality healthcare, quality education, etc?

The reality is that there is a conspiracy of the ruling class (and that cuts across all tribes and religion) to keep their people oppressed so they can always lord over them.

Now, there's an even bigger problem, and that is the fact that the problem is not just limited to the ruling class. Nearly every citizen has similar mindset of cheating and shortchanging everyone else. From artisans, to civil servants to pastors to lecturers, I mean everyone is always trying to exploit others for their personal gain at the expense of public good.

Even if you were to wipe out this current set of leaders and bring in people completely, the same cycle is likely to continue...simply because it's and endemic societal problem and not just a leadership problem.

I hear what you're saying loud and clear. Your points are all very valid.

Will breaking up of Nigeria translate to a better life for the people?

Maybe, maybe not.

But then, no one will have the effrontery to blame other people for their own failure.

I feel that ethnicities that want to stand on their own should be allowed to. Let them forge their own path.

Americans have the American dream.

Nigerians cannot have a Nigerian dream because we are a different people.

Our hopes and aspirations are totally varied.

You only tried to shoot down my points. You didn't propose solutions to the problems.

How do you have a nation where the people don't see themselves as one?

How does that nation move forward?

I am being realistic here.

We have faced the same problems over and over again. Right from the 60s.

My submission is that it'd be easier to monitor elected officials if the population and landmass isn't that much and if the diversity is reduced.

Minority ethnic groups can form a nation with others whom they think share their ideals as a people.

Continuing as a Nigerian nation is not an option if we must progress as a people.

50 years from now, Nigeria will still be battling poor, maybe even poorer electricity supply.

Our children and children's children will learn the phrase "Up NEPA!!!!!"

Like Pius Adesanmi, (God rest his soul) said, Nigerians living in Nigeria will not get to experience the 21st century in the 21st century.

That phrase needs to be meditated upon, day and night.

immhotep:

When the Dutch came to Nigeria, they brought slavery and oppression.

.

They actually interacted more with Benin and the midwest.

Can you explain better ?

nlPoster:
The Dutch were in Nigeria in the 16th century I think, midwest region (not sure how, why or if they bypassed Lagos).


Baike (is the name right and perhaps a missionary?) wrote about it.

Beautiful photos and people @ op. I wish Nigeria looked like that.

They were the first to get to this part of the world. Lagos is a Portuguese name.

nlPoster:


They actually interacted more with Benin and the midwest.

Can you explain better ?

Slavery interaction

FrLukas:


I hear what you're saying loud and clear. Your points are all very valid.

Will breaking up of Nigeria translate to a better life for the people?

Maybe, maybe not.

But then, no one will have the effrontery to blame other people for their own failure.

I feel that ethnicities that want to stand on their own should be allowed to. Let them forge their own path.

Americans have the American dream.

Nigerians cannot have a Nigerian dream because we are a different people.

Our hopes and aspirations are totally varied.

You only tried to shoot down my points. You didn't propose solutions to the problems.

How do you have a nation where the people don't see themselves as one?

How does that nation move forward?

I am being realistic here.

We have faced the same problems over and over again. Right from the 60s.

My submission is that it'd be easier to monitor elected officials if the population and landmass isn't that much and if the diversity is reduced.

Minority ethnic groups can form a nation with others whom they think share their ideals as a people.

Continuing as a Nigerian nation is not an option if we must progress as a people.

50 years from now, Nigeria will still be battling poor, maybe even poorer electricity supply.

Our children and children's children will learn the phrase "Up NEPA!!!!!"

Like Pius Adesanmi, (God rest his soul) said, Nigerians living in Nigeria will not get to experience the 21st century in the 21st century.

That phrase needs to be meditated upon, day and night.

Your points are well noted and they actually hold some merit. I think there's too much distrust in the land, which makes separation a reasonable option just to solve that problem.

Having said that, I still have my issue with separation especially as it concerns Biafra. Why did the SE annex parts of the SS and MB to the Biafra project. They did this without any consultations with the leaders of these regions. This is the same Lordship/conquering mentality that they're always accusing the Fulanis. They first annex the regions and then argue that they can conduct referendum to confirm if they want to join or not. What arrant nonsense! How can the smaller tribes of SS and MB join forces with a dominant SE when they know that the SE with their numerical strength will dominate that new country politically for as long as they want? As you now see, the distrust we were trying to solve through Separation has just cascaded lower to the new contraption.

MelloJelly:

I highly doubt that the dutch were in nigeria. I believe British Portuguese and German and french were the only ones there

Just do some damn research !
It takes a few seconds, infact less than it took you to type this.

StaffofOrayan:


Just do some damn research !
It takes a few seconds, infact less than it took you to type this.

You're right!I just looked it up-you learn something new everyday.

nlPoster:


I think the OP is Nigerian?

From Osun state.

Hoephase:
Een mooi land.

100

U see as that thing u smoke disgrace u 4 public?

Yukov:
It's either the Op hasn't being to Nigeria or he is just an hypocrite. Though Netherland is more civilized than Nigeria but a lot of area in Nigeria way better than the gibberish you posted there. Show us all the pics around Netherlands first before we start comparing.

What did I even smoke this afternoon

Bevista:
Your points are well noted and they actually hold some merit. I think there's too much distrust in the land, which makes separation a reasonable option just to solve that problem.

Having said that, I still have my issue with separation especially as it concerns Biafra. Why did the SE annex parts of the SS and MB to the Biafra project. They did this without any consultations with the leaders of these regions. This is the same Lordship mentality that they're always accusing the Fulanis. They first annex the regions and then argue that they can conduct referendum to confirm if they want to join or not. What arrant nonsense! How can the smaller tribes of SS and MB join forces with a dominant SE when they know that the SE with their numerical strength will dominate that new country politically for as long as they want? As you now see, the distrust we were trying to solve through Separation has just cascaded lower to the new contraption.

If there is one thing the Fulanis and the Igbos have in common, it is the fact that they are the only tribes out of over 300 ethnic groups in Nigeria to repeatedly voice their desire to DOMINATE others. In fact they are the only two ethnic groups in Nigeria to have used and still continue to use that word DOMINATE.

Now, if there's going to be a break up of Nigeria, every ethnic group will determine where they want to go.

That is why it is called SELF DETERMINATION.

Nobody tells you where to go as a people. Only you as a people will determine that.

The greatest mistake the minor ethnicities in the South can ever make is join the East to form one country.

A worse scenario than what is currently happening in Nigeria is what will occur.

And I see the union exploding within 5-10 years.

I think this is perfectly clear to Southern leaders.

So I don't think they'll ever make that mistake.

GamalNasser:


Very true!!! Nigeria looks just like Fulani cow poo

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RuudVanNisteroy:

Wrong stereotype about the Dutch. They believe every individual deserves fundamental human rights whether you are black,gay or transgender. The majority of the population choose to get married and are in heterosexual relationships.

Netherlands was built on Christian principles, it is only a few decades ago Christianity started to decline. There are Churches littered everywhere.

do you know it was the Dutch that colonized South Africa? And there are still white Dutch that now claim South Africans?

tartar9:

I don't even understand your comparison
Are all these not criminal offences here

No sire theres no crime here, we all are saints thats why God loves us and has blessed us so much since we dont support sodomy...he who is without a sin should cast the first stone.

OP, I'm sure you didnt read your history books very well b4 posting dis. Go n read about apartheid southafrica. How d dutch colonists maltreated d black southafricans until mandela came 2 their rescue. God forbid d dutch prevail on nigeria.

There are people who are still mad that Okada and Keke were banned some few days ago and some of you wants Naija to look like this ? How biko?

If the SW, SS, SE, Kwara, Kogi , Plataeu and Benue should form one Country, there will be three power bkocks- Yorubas, the minorities and the Igbos. These will ensure balance of forces and checkmate each other.

FrLukas:


If there is one thing the Fulanis and the Igbos have in common, it is the fact that they are the only tribes out of over 300 ethnic groups in Nigeria to repeatedly voice their desire to DOMINATE others. In fact they are the only two ethnic groups in Nigeria to have used and still continue to use that word DOMINATE.

Now, if there's going to be a break up of Nigeria, every ethnic group will determine where they want to go.

That is why it is called SELF DETERMINATION.

Nobody tells you where to go as a people. Only you as a people will determine that.

The greatest mistake the minor ethnicities in the South can ever make is join the East to form one country.

A worse scenario than what is currently happening in Nigeria is what will occur.

And I see the union exploding within 5-10 years.

I think this is perfectly clear to Southern leaders.

So I don't think they'll ever make that mistake.

Britain and France are beautiful too, but go check their colonies. They exploited, stole from their colonies to make themselves greater. Colonization in my opinion was all about satisfying their own spefish interest. They had no genuine interest in making us great or equal as they....

So forget it. The fact they're this beautiful doesn't mean they would have replicated same here if they had ruled us. They once had a colony in Africa, they wrecked havoc and exploited. Go check the history (Ghana and SA)

RuudVanNisteroy:

The only countries working Africa that are on the path to reaching 2nd world and eventually 1st world status are: Botswana,Rwanda and Namibia. Is stating fact now hate and last I remember those three countries are all run by blacks.

Rwanda is more or less on Nigerias level.

Botswana and Namibia have a very high abnormal amount of people living in grinding poverty.

OruExpress:
80% of the dutch government budget is derived from taxing shell and 60-80% of shells money is derived from untaxed nigerian oil and gas.

Nearly everything you're seeing in this thread is built it part with stolen money from Nigeria. If you want to see Nigeria under the dutch go to the Ogoni and Ijaw regions of the Niger Delta.

This is a very dumb lie.

RuudVanNisteroy:

Shell has provided thousands of Nigerians with jobs and is one of the highest paying companies in the country.

They pay their tax to the government as stipulated by the tax code and do their part when it comes to Corporate Social Responsibility.
What else do you want them to do?Provide security,electricity,road network-when that is the responsibility of the governement.

Are you minding him at all !

Bevista:
I couldn't have read a more stupid comment. What rubbish victim mentality when you think everyone else is your problem. Whatever you think Shell takes from Nigeria, they do so because your stupid Nigerians collude with them and actually encourage them to steal. Without the active support of Nigerians, no company can do zilch. Do you think the Dutch will sit down and allow a foreign company come to Netherlands and fleece its citizens?

Blame your stupid countrymen who think and behave like cavemen of pre-medieval times.

He thinks Netherlands is like his stupid country that relies on oil inorder to function.