One has to wonder if this generation is as messed up as the generation that exchange gold for mirrors.

No wonder Nigerians claim they are from Israel and Egypt. Didn't you guys learn anything that Africa is the origin of plants and animals to the New World?

You think those who left Sudan for Egypt and Mesopotamia left without plants and animals?

Only God of Israel and Mecca can solve your mumurism.

Now when this guy discuss anything, I now realize his frame of mind.

Didn't you guys learn anything that Africa is the origin of plants and animals to the New World?

details?

Hit the books or better still, Google is your friend

tpiar:


details?

sassysure:


The problem should be documentation from what I can get from history.
U see some things that have been existing for long in sub Saharan Africa especially being named by European explorers or introduced to us by them.
Our food crops( we should have some cos all countries must have something originally from them)we're taken away by them and re- introduced to us.

Even now,we still don't have proper documentation.

Schools don't teach our history rather, it's more of the history of the outside world.
Everybody is busy pursuing national cake

Plaintains i think were original to west africa the benins called banana the white men plamtain when they saw it

The britsh were amazed when benin offered them plaintain and they wrote about it ,
Food crops had been shared all rouns the world even Europeans are not left out

The issue is not documentation alone the issue we lack the zeal to research to explore our past and future ,
Youre inquisitive now and wonder which crops africa had before the arrival of historian then go and do research and write articles about your findings

googi:
One has to wonder if this generation is as messed up as the generation that exchange gold for mirrors.

No wonder Nigerians claim they are from Israel and Egypt. Didn't you guys learn anything that Africa is the origin of plants and animals to the New World?

You think those who left Sudan for Egypt and Mesopotamia left without plants and animals?

Only God of Israel and Mecca can solve your mumurism.

Now when this guy discuss anything, I now realize his frame of mind.

Mere claims

Our forest are made of tall trees and varieties of vegetables
But most food crops ventured into africa by contact with the europeans those tales of africa as an acient civilization holds no water on this article
People migrated into uninhabited lands were they meet food crops. They necessarily dont always go with food crops to plant because before thier arrival the plant may have died along the way they would usual go with abundant food supply

Even European are not left out if you read the articles you would see the benins introduced plaintain to Britain ,probably it didnt grow in thier region thats why you dont see it in Britain today

Do you still wonder why most europeans eat leaves(vegetables) because they were just like africans who really had no food crops but dwell on vegetables all food crips in european countries and even america are imported till today becuse thier vegetation cant grow th

The Portuguese on the other hand bought all this food crops from asia and traded them around the world for money , the Portuguese happen to lived in an environment that suported the growth of this crops ( Mediterranean region)

The crops were mostly brought from asia and south america especially brazil

Little wonder why the asian population grew becausr of abudant of food crops

Thank you

By plantain are you referring to the tropical fruit eaten in Africa or the following :

https://wildplantguide.com/foraging-plantain-herbs/

gregyboy:



The benin you praise have 40% of Portuguese cultural influence and they have 0% influence coming from benin

The popular pounded yam and eguisi
That is originally a Benin food and most nigerians have adopted to a general food was influenced by Portuguese,
Portuguese had brought yam to benin first in west africa which was later developed to pounded yam by the benin people we are yet to know if the melon plant was also foreign ,
The red coral beads worn by most nigerians was also brought by the Portuguese as raw materials which the benins made their beads from lets not talk about the white and red linen clothes

There is no originality in west african culture

oga you dont know anything,no region or culture that wasnt influenced by others,even the portugese were influenced by the moors and arabs.No culture is purely original

As per the misinformations, is there any point countering them?

I'm not sure who they're meant for.

gregyboy:



My friend you're an afrocebtrist, youre simply finding hope or pride from were there is non,africans had not yet made history for themselves , the Egyptian history you claims on were built on the power of rome and europeans from rome so i wont regard or even take pride in it

You on the other hand is an afrocentrist fellow ,i am a humanist and i care on what is better for the world and not necessarily africa ,

Yea,Africans didnt keep written records who are we to blame the white and to what use would the white claim any glory from africans on food crops ,

You better acceot your dearest afrucans had failed in the past and its time for we to built it instead of spreading Afrocentrism with an empty pride

Am a Benin guy and i can attests that article weren't wrong ,it is easily glaring when you look at the Benin culture

And also your fore fathers didnt discover those rivers , discovery is not just coming outside to fetch water from a river ,its beyond that ,columbus discovered america would you also call it eurocentrism " on americans
My guy think you're not helping africans with such kind of emoty pride of yours

Rome was destroyed several times by gauls , and babarians and thier libaries were destroyed they lost so many works but did they as a result give excuse over it,

My guy think


If you want to prove this article wrong then bring a vital prove if not go home and think of how to help Africans

Utter nonsense


u indeed are a whitemans slave
Your lack of knowledge is horrific
Enlightening ur type is a waste of time cause u have been brainwashed

If 90℅ of history u read is from the bleached beings (non blacks) know that u have been brainwashed

@topic
Throw that white man trash into the Dustin Go to ur village meet ur griots or Dibia/priests and learn ur true history
Father doesn't learn his history from his children it's the other way round

HallaDaTruth:
We already had yams, pepper, vegetables, plantains and several palm trees species , cocoa etc in Eastern and Southern Nigeria. The North was known for her groundnuts, onions etc. That story is not fully true. Infact some of the plants in Asia and Europe were taken from Africa

Only one source of carbs...

babasolution:


Africans were probably not travellers because of challenges like the food problem,to travel you have to store food,and it was said Africa did not have many foods that could easily be stored.Its not that they were not travellers because they didnt want to travel,Africans travelled on land a lot,remember also that the horse was not native to Africa,even the camel and donkey,some travelling far was ardous on foot.

As far back as 40,000 years ago, ancient Africans were building ships.

The main reason Africans did not fully develop their seafaring in recent centuries in comparison to Europe was the absence of specific types of trees, tall and sturdy enough to build larger ship hulls, unlike what was commonly available in Europe and the US.

Really?

Yorubas have a (often debated) link to ancient Phoenicia though.

In addition, almost everywhere in the world built ships, not only Europe and the US.

gregyboy:



And yea mungo park discovered river niger and benue

... wrote in details were the river had began and were it ended

...your fathers only discovered the part they fletched water from .

..... and you went on to make reference of Columbus's discoveries.

Bro.... common sense.... how can you discover something if you were not the first there? No man ever.... was at the beginning nor end of the River Niger?... until Mungo Park?... did he discover/explore the upper Niger River? And how can Columbus discover lands that were already inhabited? What does your common sense tell you?

@ topic. I think we are getting mixed up with what were the native crops of Africa. No doubt.... most places have crops and animals that were foreign to those areas and imported from others. Palm now dominates Malaysia.... but that doesn't make it a native/original crop. As far as planting crops as we know it today.... that was not the African way of life. So does that mean they never ate plant based foods? Why would one even think that pretty much tropical Africa had no plants to feed the people..... until the Europeans came?
We have a serious inferiority complex problem and don't even know.

Originalsly:


..... and you went on to make reference of Columbus's discoveries.

Bro.... common sense.... how can you discover something if you were not the first there? No man ever.... was at the beginning nor end of the River Niger?... until Mungo Park?... did he discover/explore the upper Niger River? And how can Columbus discover lands that were already inhabited? What does your common sense tell you?

@ topic. I think we are getting mixed up with what were the native crops of Africa. No doubt.... most places have crops and animals that were foreign to those areas and imported from others. Palm now dominates Malaysia.... but that doesn't make it a native/original crop. As far as planting crops as we know it today.... that was not the African way of life. So does that mean they never ate plant based foods? Why would one even think that pretty much tropical Africa had no plants to feed the people..... until the Europeans came?
We have a serious inferiority complex problem and don't even know.

You don't discover something by just sight alone, discoveries are given credit to if you write what you saw and document it...
This has been a tradition that has been applied since ages to encourage people to write down things they have encounteres
It is not just applying to africans alone but to the world

gregyboy:


You don't discover something by just sight alone, discoveries are given credit to if you write what you saw and document it...
This has been a tradition that has been applied since ages to encourage people to write down things they have encounteres
It is not just applying to africans alone but to the world

Are you saying you can't discover unless you document? So seeing that Africans are more from an oral tradition then it is for the Europeans to discover about everything in Africa period? Has Aso Rock been discovered as yet? To document is not the same as to discover.

Originalsly:


Are you saying you can't discover unless you document? So seeing that Africans are more from an oral tradition then it is for the Europeans to discover about everything in Africa period? Has Aso Rock been discovered as yet? To document is not the same as to discover.

There ia no how you're putting africans never discovered the river ,
Africans only had seen the river they never never knew anything about the river than just the spot they fetched the water from

Columbus had written about america in europe and was acknowledged to the man who discovered america ,and americans didnt fight ,that didnt mean people had not seen america before the arrival of columbus he only was given the recognition because he wrote about it

Africanus the man who discovered africa was names after africa

Greyboy,

You and your Yoruba Oba that falsified Benin history for acceptance, need to go deeper into local history.

Even some Yoruba do not know the difference between Akalamagbo and Akannamagbo.

Akalamagbo is a bird.

Akannamagbo is a yam that never fails to grow yearly. If it is not planted, it grows like roots on its own.

So is cocoayam.

But I can understand your fascination with Portuguese writers because they came in contact with Benin. As many people educated you, any European or foreigners that came in contact with the Zulu or Massai first does not mean they established the first civilization in Africa.

Your over reliance on foreign writers flawed your judgement. Do more research with African writings from Senegal to Sudan to Ethiopia. Even your own Nsibidi by the Ekoid adopted by Efik, Ibibio and now claimed by their neighbors will give more insight than the writings of foreigners that saw you as economic tools in their plantations.

Africa has many food and different yams indigenous to the land.

googi:
Greyboy,

You and your Yoruba Oba that falsified Benin history for acceptance, need to go deeper into local history.

Even some Yoruba do not know the difference between Akalamagbo and Akannamagbo.

Akalamagbo is a bird.

Akannamagbo is a yam that never fails to grow yearly. If it is not planted, it grows like roots on its own.

So is cocoayam.

But I can understand your fascination with Portuguese writers because they came in contact with Benin. As many people educated you, any European or foreigners that came in contact with the Zulu or Massai first does not mean they established the first civilization in Africa.

Your over reliance on foreign writers flawed your judgement. Do more research with African writings from Senegal to Sudan to Ethiopia. Even your own Nsibidi by the Ekoid adopted by Efik, Ibibio and now claimed by their neighbors will give more insight than the writings of foreigners that saw you as economic tools in their plantations.

Africa has many food and different yams indigenous to the land.

Who falsified what ?

Precolonial maps of Benin empire:

These precolonial maps contradict your unsubstantiated and hate filled claim:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

The Yoruba have no history.
The name Yoruba came about late in the 18th century.
The name Benin was already writtent down in 1485.
It is weird that a Yoruba would claim the king of Benin falsified Benin history. What exactly made you Yoruba the barometer of truth and the custodians of other People's history ? You keep calling the Oba of Benin a "Yoruba Oba" even though the Oba of Benin has always denied that claim and you are yet to provide any proof of that claim.
In the precolonial era, non of your chiefs answered the title Oba, not even in the early colonial era. They all answered "sir" in the early colonial era because they sought recognition from Britain, when it was clear Britain would live our shores your chiefs started copying the title Oba which belongs to the Oba of Benin.

There is no such thing as Yoruba Oba, there is only the Oba of Benin and he is not a Yoruba.

googi:
Greyboy,

You and your Yoruba Oba that falsified Benin history for acceptance, need to go deeper into local history.

Even some Yoruba do not know the difference between Akalamagbo and Akannamagbo.

Akalamagbo is a bird.

Akannamagbo is a yam that never fails to grow yearly. If it is not planted, it grows like roots on its own.

So is cocoayam.

But I can understand your fascination with Portuguese writers because they came in contact with Benin. As many people educated you, any European or foreigners that came in contact with the Zulu or Massai first does not mean they established the first civilization in Africa.

Your over reliance on foreign writers flawed your judgement. Do more research with African writings from Senegal to Sudan to Ethiopia. Even your own Nsibidi by the Ekoid adopted by Efik, Ibibio and now claimed by their neighbors will give more insight than the writings of foreigners that saw you as economic tools in their plantations.

Africa has many food and different yams indigenous to the land.

I just hope you know a huge chunk of the Yoruba descend from American slaves liberated and dumped into our shores. Those are the people who rewrote their "history" for acceptance. Most of you yoruba are not from this part of the continent ! You created the Yoruba tribe as a means to acceptance, you made up stories and told many other lies. You even recently tried to claim Igbos migrated from ife.

Can you quote from his reverse Ife or Ugbo (if you do like Yoruba) where the Oba Binin translated Benin or the meaning of his name and why Oba Ile-Ibinu left Benin and install his son after wipping Ogiso into submission.

Can you quote from his book why the land is leased to him, made Palace language Yoruba, sorry Ife and why the head of your Oba was buried in Ife.

While at it why you worship Yoruba gods of Ogun, Oya, Sango etc.

I know that next week you will open another thread to deny you were Ogiso turned to the sword bearers and slaves of Yoruba (sorry Ife).

googi:
and why the head of your Oba was buried in Ife.
.

never happened

googi:
Can you quote from his reverse Ife or Ugbo (if you do like Yoruba) where the Oba Binin translated Benin or the meaning of his name .

this question doesn't even make sense, so basically, I should adhere to your claims in order to prove you wrong ?

googi:
why Oba Ile-Ibinu left Benin and install his son after wipping Ogiso into submission.

.

It seems all you have in your head are fairytales.
Let me help your deluded slave descendent mind: oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso, Igodomigodo are fairytales like that of Hercules or father Christmas. Your ooni claiming oduduwa came from the sky with an iron chain should have tipped you off.

googi:
I know that next week you will open another thread to deny you were Ogiso turned to the sword bearers and slaves of Yoruba (sorry Ife).

wouldn't your time be best served by proving your claims rather than playing theatrics ? Nothing you say is logical !

Arguing with Yoruba feels a lot like arguing with toddlers. Logics are just not natural to yorubas.

gregyboy:



The benin you praise have 40% of Portuguese cultural influence and they have 0% influence coming from benin

So now we can all just start making up statistics ? What the heck is wrong with you ?
Find better things to do when your menstruation starts working your head.

gregyboy:



The benin you praise have 40% of Portuguese cultural influence and they have 0% influence coming from benin

The popular pounded yam and eguisi
That is originally a Benin food and most nigerians have adopted to a general food was influenced by Portuguese,
Portuguese had brought yam to benin first in west africa which was later developed to pounded yam by the benin people we are yet to know if the melon plant was also foreign ,
The red coral beads worn by most nigerians was also brought by the Portuguese as raw materials which the benins made their beads from lets not talk about the white and red linen clothes

There is no originality in west african culture

I have always known you to be a fool.

ghostwon:


It seems all you have in your head are fairytales.
Let me help your deluded slave descendent mind: oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso, Igodomigodo are fairytales like that of Hercules or father Christmas. Your ooni claiming oduduwa came from the sky with an iron chain should have tipped you off.

Wait O!

So your Yoruba Oba that tried to reverse history was made making all these up. Only what foreigners wrote about you is true.

Pity!

googi:


Wait O!

So your Yoruba Oba that tried to reverse history was made making all these up. Only what foreigners wrote about you is true.

Pity!

Actually it was an ooni of ife and awolowo who made up oduduwa. Also, it is not about "what foreigners said". It is about what eyewitnesses said ! Given that it is a fact we did not witness our ancestors but people who met them wrote down what they saw ! Those are eyewitness accounts. In other words, history !
By the way, if I recall, it was the ooni of ife who recently claimed Igbos migrated from ife, an other lie. He also claimed Yoruba had artefacts several thousand years old, an other lie. He claimed an ooni of ife lived 400 years, yet an other lie...the list goes on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4MaBsqbLMw