iyaegin:


Bros there is no IF here I can rest assure you that LASDRI and Hackney would be made compulsory, don't get carried away with talk that Uber has not yet sanctioned it that in itself is shallow because is it Uber that will determine what document is acceptable or the Government whose road you are plying.like I said I have the recording and the officer said the only requirement that is being reviewed for now is the operator license, the LASDRI and Hackney are standard and here to stay.For emphasis he clearly stated that you require a Hackney permit once you carry humans for commercial purposes which is what ehailing is all about.so if you have to get documents worth 2k and 5k for one year why not do so for peace of mind rather than paying stupid VIO fine of 20k or more for non compliance.

kodred:


Please Stop using IN BTW just use BTW.

So many people mistake it for In Between thinking the BTW means BETWEEN.

BTW is an acronym for By The Way.


Case study:
IN BTW, How were you able to get away from them?

In Between, How were you able to get away from them?

Doesn't sound tek

BTW, How were you able to get away from them?

By The Way, How were you able to get away from them?

Na learn all of us dey learn edaku ema binu.

donfortune48:


Lolzz.

I for Don dey prepare to go mobile court by Monday.

nitigriti:
Still on this hackney permit and LASDRI issue.

First, we need to understand that it is Lagos State government's duty to tax citizens living and earning in the state; as well as businesses in the state.

Second, no ride-sharing platform has an operational license from Lagos State yet. Yes, they are incorporated entities, but they still need a "permit" in the form of a license to do what they do in Lagos.

Third, ride-sharing companies are being economical with the truth when they claim to be technology companies and not transportation companies. It's a stupid argument I don't even need to stress myself to beat down. Just look at what has happened to Uber in London.

Four, Lagos State government wants Uber and Bolt and their likes to obtain an operational license. It is Lagos State government's right; after all, the government provides the roads, the security, LASTMA (to clear traffic on the roads) and the "enabling" or "thriving" or "commercial" environment to make e-hailing happen.

Five, Lagos State government wants every car on e-hailing to also have an operational license as well as Hackney permit. It is the state government's right, after all, it arms the Police that secures lives and properties on the streets and at home when we sleep.

Six, e-hailing companies operational licenses and that of individual cars on the platforms are two different kinds of licenses.

Seven, no matter how long we keep running from these hard facts, they are the truth; and will continue to stare us in our faces.

Eight, so what do we do?
Car owners - get the operational license for your vehicle. It's only #110,000=00 for life! For a vehicle that will bring you rentals of about #1.25 million every year, it is chicken change.

Driver's - get the Hackney permit for the vehicles you drive. It's only #3,000 every year. And while you are at it, get your LASDRI card too; it's only #2,000 every year.

This is the right thing to do to make everywhere "soft" for both car owner and driver.

A few words are enough for the wise.

northbird:


Boss , do the vio counterparts or the regulatory agencies in New York also come on the roads to arrest motorists.

It was a show of shame today. SARs arresting VIO officers today and for d first tym people were in support of the SARS guys who went to accost d vio officers . I mean on a Sunday . I watched d video.

110k for what? For good roads? or wat? The seemingly good roads in Lagos. Lekki-epe expressway, I pay #200 each time I ply them. .

So 110k for what?

kodred:


Did you see the context in which it was used?

nitigriti:


We need to look beyond "operational licenses" or "medallions" and focus on the big picture - the right of cities to tax her productive residents.

All Lagos State government is saying is, if you drive your vehicle for commercial purposes, then you need to have an operational license.

Again, what is in focus here is the right of Lagos State government to tax her residents.

The yellow taxi unions pay for their licenses. Same for NURTW. Same for Miyeti Allah and the cows they sell in the state. Same for the tomato and pepper seller in Ketu. Same for the fuel stations across the state. Same for all market men and women. Same for Night Club operators. Same for quick service restaurants. Same for hotels and guest houses. Same for privately-operated schools. Same for privately-operated hospitals in the city. Same for pharmacies in the city. Same for medical laboratories in the city. Same for land owners and house owners ...

Everyone and every business is being taxed in Lagos. E-hailing cars are not so special that they should be exempted.

Niti baba, I'm not saying ehailing not be taxed. No, I haven't said that

I have a friend that used a 2007 Audi A7 for uber(Yeah, you heard me right). He only drove twice, and he used it to carry riders from Ajah,
because, according to him, he wanted to know the feeling and blah blah blah

This is the purpose of ride sharing. Are you saying this person should get a license of #110k because of this? Are you also saying he automatically becomes a commercial driver?

People who use their private cars to pick #50 passengers on the road just to make few bucks, are you saying they automatically should pay #110k for the license and get the Hackney?

I'm not saying the government should not tax them oh. But the means is unreasonable.

Other countries that kicked out Uber, didn't do it because of tax. They did it because local taxi businesses was dying.

Or will you tell me confidently that those yellow Gold half taxi drivers paid #110k for their licenses?

Reason with me, baba

peeps4u:


If I get you right, the hackney permit is for the car, hence the owner gets it while Lasdri is for the driver, driver applies for it?

kodred:


Operators permit of 110k for what? What have they provided for ehailing drivers to warrant that 110k per car?

Driver-partners are not the operators rather they are tools for operation of uber/bolt’s technology. If any operators permit is to be paid, it should be done by the ehailing companies.

If they want hackney permit, they should provide designated parks so people on the platform know they are fully commercial otherwise it’s just pure extortion.

The hackney permit destroys the purpose of ehailing. The only sensible one is the lasdri. Once your plate number is red, you’ve opened yourself up to all manner of extortion from local govt touts asking for stickers etc thinking it’s a company vehicle.

The things you listed that the govt provides is basic for it’s citizens aint nothing special besides every citizen pays tax directly or indirectly.

The state has seen a boost in economic activities since ehailing came. The ease of movement is second to none. Also the upsurge in road worthiness certificate and driver’s license plus vehicle registration is a strong indicator of that fact. Lagos state should not be greedy.


PS: Don’t ever call 110k chicken change.

izzou:


Niti baba, I'm not saying ehailing not be taxed. No, I haven't said that

I have a friend that used a 2007 Audi A7 for uber(Yeah, you heard me right). He only drove twice, and he used it to carry riders from Ajah,
because, according to him, he wanted to know the feeling and blah blah blah

This is the purpose of ride sharing. Are you saying this person should get a license of #110k because of this? Are you also saying he automatically becomes a commercial driver?

People who use their private cars to pick #50 passengers on the road just to make few bucks, are you saying they automatically should pay #110k for the license and get the Hackney?

I'm not saying the government should not tax them oh. But the means is unreasonable.

Other countries that kicked out Uber, didn't do it because of tax. They did it because local taxi businesses was dying.

Or will you tell me confidently that those yellow Gold half taxi drivers paid #110k for their licenses?

Reason with me, baba

mazinaija:
mind you angry Igbo man is not totally right...he has limited knowledge of Lagos street.
For instance if you are taking a trip to marina,only drop off your rider at oando or any of the car park,but make sure your rider pays for car park.
For pick up at marina, direct your rider to meet you at oando... For Tinubu square direct your rider to meet at CBN. Anywhere other than that,you must be very smart and bold to do it. You can also do your pick up at kakawa and in front of first bank

Tyche:


Your position and mine fits the context

nitigriti:


The truth is, government has the right to enforce her laws anyway it seems fit; so long as extant laws of the land provide it adequate cover.

Maybe we should all read Lagos State's Traffic Law. We will be amazed at the powers of the Police, LASTMA and the VIO.

There are some offences - for example, driving around with expired papers - that the Lagos State government will just come and drop your fine ticket at your doorstep, like it happens in New York. And then there are others - for example, driving one-way - that Lagos State government just wants to seize and crush your vehicle instantly.

Lagos government will enforce her laws anyhow it seems fit.

waks1:

How do you top up? I did via gt bank app with 100 charges again. These banks self.

nitigriti:


I understand your point sir, but these cases you refer to are the exceptions rather than the rule. I agree with you that government should be able to identify and excuse these exceptions from the licensing fees.

But then, using a private car to convey passengers from one place to another is also a serious traffic offence in Lagos and warrants impounding without remedy of the car.

In LASG's eyes, cars are either fully commercial or fully private.

And we shouldn't forget the possibility that LASG might be trying to protect the taxi unions. To be honest, when I used to drive, my conscience disturbs me whenever I see these aged men at their parks, helpless against the onslaught of e-hailing vehicles.

Na your side I dey.

nitigriti:


These are sentimental arguments.
1. What have they provided for ehailing drivers to warrant that 110k per car?

Why not go and drive in Oyo State? Or Port Harcourt? Or Abuja? There is a reason we all prefer to hustle in Lagos rather than in all these other cities in Nigeria - the economic environment thrives!

There, there is your answer. Lagos State government has provided e-hailing driver's with a thriving economic environment that makes it possible for a car on e-hailing to earn (net) #2.5 million every year after expenses! Lagos State government wants #110,000 of that money just once in your lifetime!

2. Driver-partners are not the operators rather they are tools for operation of uber/bolt’s technology. If any operators permit is to be paid, it should be done by the ehailing companies.

Again, you miss the logic here. Driver-partners are residents of the state and will be taxed as such. The e-hailing companies' operators permits are one thing, e-hailing cars operational permits are another.

For example, the company I work for pays Corporate Income Tax, while I pay PAYE tax.

3. Hackney permit is a license that is required by commercial operators of Vehicles, including other non-commercial vehicles that are into haulage of people or goods like buses, taxis.

If you take people from one place to the other in the state for a fee, you will need a Hackney permit. That is the law.

Or are we lawless?

4. I'm happy we both agree LASDRI is sensible.
5. Do red plate numbers equal extortion? Do you think those touts collecting Union fees at bus stops are extorting? Have they ever come to your private car to ask #10 from you?

6. The things you listed that the govt provides is basic for it’s citizens aint nothing special.

Security of lives and properties is basic and nothing special? Good roads (to a certain extent) is basic and nothing special? Economic opportunity is basic and nothing special?

7. The state has seen a boost in economic activities since ehailing came. The ease of movement is second to none. Also the upsurge in road worthiness certificate and driver’s license plus vehicle registration is a strong indicator of that fact. Lagos state should not be greedy.

You have your facts wrong. By the time Babatunde Fashola was rounding off his tenure, Lagos State was already the 5th largest economy on the African continent - if it were to be regarded as a country on its own.
(Cite: John M. O. Ekundayo (2013). Out of Africa: Fashola: Reinventing Servant Leadership to Engender Nigeria's Transformation. AuthorHouse. p. 135. ISBN 9781481790406). This was in 2013 and Lagos State had a GDP of $91 billion then.

E-hailing companies came in because Lagos State was (and still is) a thriving city!

8. How can we call LASG greedy in this case? As e-hailing operators, do we quote the lowest price point or the highest price point possible when we negotiate with our clients for off-line trips? Are we being greedy then?

9. A one-time license payment of #110,000 is chicken change to an annual rental income of #2,500,000.

izzou:


E-hailings really did enough damage to taxi unions, but the world is changing.

And if I go by your logic of "fully private or commercial", then sooner or later, Uber cars will be required to change from blue to red.

The license to drive a danfo is not #100k, after getting a red plate, painting your bus yellow, and getting a Hackney. What those drivers pay to Oluomo are daily dues which is only when they work. That is reasonable

Why not tell uber drivers to get licensed like those babas? I can bet you that the fee will be much lesser

100k is very unfair. Should Uber cars be taxed? Yes. But that amount shows the motive is different

kodred:


I said a boost in economic activities i.e it increased commercial activities. Ask the boys that are into spare-parts at ladipo and they’ll tell you uber/bolt is the best thing since slice bread.

How dare you call security, good roads et al special? In a sane economy, it’s not negotiable.

Driver-partners are residents and they pay tax through the TIN supplied to uber and through purchase of goods and services i.e VAT

One would think you’re vying for office and trying to use this as a manifesto the way you going about it. Thank God say no be you be one of those ogas sha.

donfortune48:
Something terrible and miraculous happened today guys.
@12pm.

I was at Oando filling station marina when this request came in.
Called rider, she said she's at the traffic light at CMS bus stop on marina. She was going to Aja.

I said okay, that she should pass the traffic light and move forward a bit so that I'll pick her up and zoom off to avoid Lastma and CBD men. She said okay.

I got there but couldn't see her, called her to know where she is, but she was just behaving like a novice.

All these while, I was equally looking out for the CBD and Lastma men, to know when to zoom off and run away.

Suddenly, a Sienna car stopped at my back so I couldn't see when Lastma might be coming again. Before I know what's happening, a Lastma van have blocked my front with over 10men in it. (some tax force were with them). the car at my back has gone by then.

I engaged reverse, but before I could move back all of them have jumped down, but I kept moving back and wanted to run away. They blocked me with their Iron, I climbed it with my two tyres(front and back), but the van blocked me. I engaged reverse again and tried to run from the right, they put that trap again I climbed it, but the van also blocked me.

If they block me on the right, cars will be passing from the left, when they block me on the left, cars will be passing from the right. This went on for over 2mins.

Over 4 of them started knocking on my glass and dragging my door to wind down and open my door, I kept telling them no, and was equally begging for them to allow me pass.

At a point I resorted to park, cos I was already causing serious traffic and they are already getting so angry with me. But then I remembered freshprince91's experience that he paid 20k, I just know that because of the stress I've already given them, my fine will be more than the 60k vio is collecting from uber drivers and decided not to give up till the break my glass and enter my car.

I tried to escape from the right, they blocked me again. I reversed and tried from the left, they also blocked me. I just raised my two hands up and said "okay I give up, I give up"; stirred fully to the right, but my gear is still on D and I was using style to observe the Lastma driver to know when to catch him off guard, while my hands are still up.

Immediately I noticed that he wasn't looking and cars are passing from the left. I just climbed the trap and sped through before he could realise and block me.

The crowd around there shouted in shock.
I matched my throttle to the carpet and zoom off.

I ran straight to VI, packed somewhere around bishop Oluwole, came down checked my tyres and my plate numbers; they're still intact, and I just Thanked my God.

Finally na madness them dey take cure madness for this Lagos.

nitigriti:


Again, you shoot yourself in the foot!

Quoting you, "in a sane economy." Who provides the sane economy?

Lagos State government, my dear.
Or do you think the Lagos State Security Trust Fund generating billions of naira every year is for fun? Do you think LASG arming the Nigeria Police Force and operatives of Operation MESA is a fluke?

Further study: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/02/government-responsibility-to-citizens-anne-marie-slaughter/

And do you think driver-partners pay tax to the LASG with the fake TINs we input into the apps? Very funny.

kodred:


So you’re are saying that the state is not sane right? I thought as much! I mean how can a sane govt ask for 110k per car? Is that not madness?

Oh right right it’s the 110k they want to use to make it sane. My bad.

Whether or not you input a fake TIN, its purpose is for tax payment.

nitigriti:


The truth is, government has the right to enforce her laws anyway it seems fit; so long as extant laws of the land provide it adequate cover.

Maybe we should all read Lagos State's Traffic Law. We will be amazed at the powers of the Police, LASTMA and the VIO.

There are some offences - for example, driving around with expired papers - that the Lagos State government will just come and drop your fine ticket at your doorstep, like it happens in New York. And then there are others - for example, driving one-way - that Lagos State government just wants to seize and crush your vehicle instantly.

Lagos government will enforce her laws anyhow it seems fit.

northbird:


There is nothing AMAZING about Lagos traffic laws.

Just an avenue for its operatives to extort the gullible masses.

Making fines on one way roads violators without adequate signage indicating such.


We all know d popular Bilikisu ayrede ( UNILAG) road being one way. For months, there was no sign indicating such.

Of recent, I noticed a small sign indicating No entry. Just like a Maggi cube on a plate of rice.

I was lyk. Look at the sign banning Keke n okada n look at a NO entry. sign.


And there are scores of one way roads like that without Signs, I guess no Traffic laws for that too.

Godfather10:

It won’t be worth while if rental is a mere 15-20k, 30 - 35k is what l expect and what l get, but l do all the repairs, drivers just drive

nitigriti:


Lots of sentiments here; nothing logical.

No one does business with sentiments.

iyaegin:


Bros there is no IF here I can rest assure you that LASDRI and Hackney would be made compulsory, don't get carried away with talk that Uber has not yet sanctioned it that in itself is shallow because is it Uber that will determine what document is acceptable or the Government whose road you are plying.like I said I have the recording and the officer said the only requirement that is being reviewed for now is the operator license, the LASDRI and Hackney are standard and here to stay.For emphasis he clearly stated that you require a Hackney permit once you carry humans for commercial purposes which is what ehailing is all about.so if you have to get documents worth 2k and 5k for one year why not do so for peace of mind rather than paying stupid VIO fine of 20k or more for non compliance.

1daboi:
all you shouting kakawa. Beware! If cbd is coming, japa! If not they'll block you

Felicity0001:

Oga 30-35k rental is on the high side irrespective to the fact you do all repairs. Sir, I'm on rental and my partnal does all repairs including services, it would have been a blown to me had I gotten a partnal that wants me to do services and repairs less than 10/5k which is the popular norms in the business and a cheat in reality. In the US rental has laws biding both parties, major accident, negligence caused by rentee is covered by the rentee insurance company but minor repairs when reported to renter company, scratches and dents are most times covered by the renter company.

Though, their situation is different from ours over here in Nigeria, but demanding 30-35k weekly on rental because you cover every expenses is too much Sir.

Its not business as usual, most time I get just 10k or 15k after paying my partner 25k for the week and this 10-15k I talk about self I don't see it physically because it has gone in for family runs and fueling for the next day being Monday.

Don't even think I'm not a hard working man. My daily routine is 10/11am to 1-3am the next day Mondays -Wednesdays.
Thursdays I work 11am to 4-6pm so I can rest for weekends.
Friday's 11am- Sundays 1-3am.
Sundays: 3-4pm-9-10pm.

Mind you some days I could be so tired, I dont go out at all, some days I spend time at the mechanic workshop maybe 2-4hours.

In the end of the week I observed fuelling is the major consumer of the entire money because I fill tank about 5-6times weekly at the cost of 6k.

So, if I happened to be your driver partner tell me what I'll have left after paying you 30/35k for a car not on HP Can you see how unreasonable inconsiderate and wicked that is now?

Monkeyprick:



Baba, do you fill your tank with just 6k for the entire work week or 6k daily?