gidgiddy:


Article 1 and article 20(1) of the UN and AU charters allows all people the right to agitate for self determination. Nigeria is a signatory to both laws. Anybody has the right to ask for independence from another. What right do you think Zik and others had to ask for independence from Britain that created Nigeria? It was their right of self determination as indigenous people of the land. Kanu, IPOB and Igbos have the same right to ask for independence from Nigeria. There is nothing Kanu is doing now that Zik and other nationalists did not do when they started the struggle for Nigerian independence. They took to the streets, protested and hurled abuse at the colonial authorities. Zik regularly carpeted Britain in his Newspaper called The Pilot.

The Aburi Accord was signed by both Gowon and Ojukwu. That agreement virtually made Nigeria a confederation of 4 Regions. Gowon broke that agreement with Decree 14 where he abolished the 4 Regions and replaced them with 12 states so as to make centre strong, weaken the federating units so that him and his fellow Northerners could be the masters of Nigeria. Ojukwu and his people were not about to take that laying down. Thats what brought about the war. How can anyone say that Gowon is a hero over a war he caused with decree 14? If Gowon felt that the agreement he sighed with Ojukwu was no longer tenable, the proper thing to do was to seek another renegotiation.

The international community still lists Gowon alongside Idi Amin of Uganda and Mengitsu Haile of Ethiopia as the biggest genocidists to come out of Africa

ARTCLE 1 OF UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS ;
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

ARTCLE 20 OF UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS ;
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Please explain how you guys interprete these to articles to mean, it allows or encourages for secession of groups from member states.

The Aburi Accord created 4 different militaries and 4 different civil services. That's a recipe for disaster. Ojukwu would not have been subject to the control or command of Gowon, which was was what he quarreled with in the first place. Please read the articles of the Aburi Accord.

No matter how many times you guys tell the lie that it was Gowon that destroyed the reason, it can never become the truth. Decree 34 of 1966 called the unification decree destroyed the regions and substitute them for states. Nigeria moved from 4 Regions to 4 states, and Gowon moved from it from 4 states to 12 states.

.... but it is not the same right Spain is using to deny Catalonia independence ba or you are simply too pathetic to highlight that or that is not international enough for you ?!

gidgiddy:

It is the same right that Kanu and others are using to ask Nigeria for independence for indigenous Igbos of Nigeria. What is wrong in people asking for freedom and independence? May be Kanu's style of agitation may not be to everyone's liking but he has not taken up arms and he did not kill anybody.

So what is the problem? Is by force to be a Nigerian?

Rossippi:
Cancelling out the words means nothing.

People can still read them.

And those tribal marks.... I absolutely love 'em.

It's called African Culture, something you know nothing about, being a colonised, ignorant air head.

Why not you yorubas and hausafulanis finish up Igbos now.it is never too later to do that.


This was how Gowon boosted to defeat Biafrans within three weeks.

But foolish n cursed Igbos like you can write anything you like about the rest of Nigeria at anytime your bigoted n pathetic soul desires yeah ?

Uchek:
You have no unemployed or under employed. Off all the issues beleaguering Nigeria, this is want captures your fancy.

Even Gowon's kinsman are lamenting and weeping.

Maybe not 3 weeks but las last Igbos were exterminated, over 2 million to be exact n if not for sympathy your tribe's tale will be told like that of the dinosaurs today.

goodnessme1:
Why not you yorubas and hausafulanis finish up Igbos now.it is never too later to do that.


This was how Gowon boosted to defeat Biafrans within three weeks.

APCNig:
Gowon made a terrible mistake. The whole world and humanity as a whole is angry with Gowon. Gowon had the opportunity to rid the world of drug pushers, human traffickers, baby sellers, fake drugs manufacturers, kidnappers and armed robbers, but he blew the chance away.

Is not too late now.Start the campaign.

Rossippi:


Because they said No Victor, No Vanquished doesn't mean we don't discuss the matter.

Or was it not a person that made that declaration?

That person does not deserve recognition or praise?

Millions of people (including probably yourself) are alive today because of that decision he made, to withdraw federal troops.

Why do you want to ignore him?

Perhaps if it was you that led the victors you would have gone in for the full kill, as normally happens in war?

Just drop your foolish pride and arrogance and admit that Gowon did a good thing. It won't kill you, you hear?

no I no hear,I think you'll have some of the bloods opon his head.sorry sir I was not born in the country.

gidgiddy:


You are incredibly naive. The Nigerian Army has been fighting war with Boko Haram for almost 10 years. The Nigerian government keeps telling you that Boko haram has been defeated but the same Boko haram are killing people daily including Nigerian Soldiers. Thats because Boko haram is no longer fighting conventional warfare but guerilla warfare

The Nigerian government didn't actually defeat Biafra, it was Biafra that chose to end the war. My father was a Biafran officer and he told me that there were thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers who were determined to carry on with the war, even if guerilla style. The only reason they decided to stop fighting is because Ojukwus trusted deputy, General Philip Effiong, asked them to give peace a chance. Even as at that, most them still held to their guns for days, even weeks, to know if there was going to be a massacre

This narrative that Nigerian Soldiers had conquered the place and could do whatever they wanted wasn't true. Had those thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers chose to carry on guerilla style, the war might still be on now.

In the case of Ojukwu fighting a war, he didnt have much choice really. He had gone to Ghana, signed an agreement with Gowon so that there would be no war, Gowon broke the agreement. It was either submit to the will of Gowon and his Northern cohorts or fight for freedom. Freedom is one of the few things in life worth fighting for and Ojukwu and his people have no apologies for doing so

Kanu and IPOB are seeking self determination, which enshrined in international law that Nigeria has signed up to. It is the right of self determination that people like Zik, Awolowo and others used in asking for independence from Britain for the indigenous people in Nigeria

It is the same right that Kanu and others are using to ask Nigeria for independence for indigenous Igbos of Nigeria. What is wrong in people asking for freedom and independence? May be Kanu's style of agitation may not be to everyone's liking but he has not taken up arms and he did not kill anybody.

So what is the problem? Is by force to be a Nigerian?

Every other thing you wrote doesn't fit in and especially your second paragraph which I'd have delved into more but time restraint.

All in all, Ojukwu still messed up, as at 1968, cities and towns like Abakaliki, Enugu, Nsukka, Udi, Awka, Onitsha, Aba, PH, Akwa-Cross area, old Rivers etc had all fallen to federal forces, the same Biafra was just a small enclave surrounded by Nigeria and shrinking everyday, what was Ojukwu still stupidly fighting for?
Why still subjecting those not yet under the federal forces to starvation and death? Why not surrender in 1968 and stop the carnage? He had to wait till 1970 when millions more had died before he went into exile and told Effiong to announce his surrender........ rubbish.

tricksters:
May e not 3 weeks but las last Igbos were exterminated, over 2 million to be exact n if not for sympathy you tribe's tale will be told like that of the dinosaurs today.

And you nigerians didn't loose anyone.

Says an 'I am Ibo' buffoon with lack of ethnic integrity.

wirinet:
You cannot compare boko haram with the Biafran conflict. Boko Haram is a well funded and armed group. Boko Haram is international in nature getting support and logistics from numerous countries and sources. They are active in many countries in West Africa. All these advantages the Biafrans did/don't have.

As you said Boko haram is not fighting a conventional war but a guerilla one. Such unconventional war is extremely difficult to win. Even the Almighty USA has not been able to defeat the Taliban after close to 20 years of war.





Your dad lied to you. The Biafrans had completely run out of food and ammunition. Ojukwu has lost most of his territory and the federal troops were closing up on him. Each day the war prolonged, thousands of Biafran children, women and population were dying of starvation. The pictures of children and even men with serious cases of malnutrition immediately after the war are all over the Internet. Prolonging the war further would have been considered genocide.


Guerilla style war in such a small space with high population density after losing a war against a bitter enemy? The soldiers would just shoot every thing that moves.


The aburi according was hand Ojukwu secession through the back door, it would never have worked. It would have made things difficult for other regions that did not ask for secession.



Another lie by IPOB. There is no international law anywhere that allows for secession. What the international law allows is rights of Indigenous peoples . Rights of Indigenous people does not equate to secession.


Kanu has no right to ask anyone for independence. Kanu has no authority whatsoever to ask for anything, except you are telling me a mad man can shout from the streets or social media that freedom should be given to hemp smokers to do as they like, and have the support of hundreds of hemp smokers.
Nigeria's independence went through the political process. It went through paliament, was negotiated with the British and the regions had constitutional conferences. One man did not go into the streets insulting Britain and British people demanding for independence.

No. You could renounce your Nigerian citizen if you wish, afterall kanu is a British citizen. If the igbos want out of Nigeria, they know what do do. They have many intelligent people.

Excellent

wirinet:

I know emotions would not allow you to reason property, but the OP is right. The outcome of the war could have been worse if Gowon did not intervene. Remember ordinary igbo civilians residing in the nirth were already being massacred by the northerners, imagine what northern soldiers would have done to helpless igbo civilians if Gowon was unable to rein them in.
You guys think too much of UK, UN, US and the international community. They are only after their interests. Genocide is going on right now in many parts of the world, ie Rohingya, Tibet, Uyghur, Palestine, etc., and the international community has looked on. If not for the Kurds, the Yazidis would have been wiped of the face of the earth by ISIS.

Gowon never wanted war, he only wanted power and to avenge the January 1966 murders. He saw the civil war as a fight between brothers and not a fight to the finish. If he had allowed a genocide against the igbos, it would have weighed heavily on the conscience of Nigeria and rendered the victory meaningless.

Remember in history, many other tribes had been exterminated after losing a war. Most south American tribes were extinguished by the Spanish.

Were you also going to exterminate millions of Igbos who fled to Gabon, Equitorial guinea, Tanzania, Sweden (Von rosen took many to Sweden), Tanzania, Ivory Coast, Haiti?

Try as you may, no one can exterminate the Igbos whose population at that time was even 15 times greater than Jews under Hitler.

The worst case scenario would have been a protracted guerrilla warfare which would have either ushered in a Biafra or continued struggle to this day with a huge possibility of the war crossing into your own region whether you liked it or not.

Igbos are stubborn to a fault when they believe in a cause. My dad and his brothers never surrendered their weapon after the war. They kept it.

Rossippi:


Bros, you cannot invent history or rewrite it.

In 1967 there was no satellite technology to monitor who was killing whom. It was a case of if the govt allowed media to enter a region, then they could report on what they saw. If they refused to let you in, you saw and knew nothing. They would have eliminated Igbos and nothing would have happened, you hear?

The British would have loved nothing more than for the Nigerian army to go in there and decimate the 'troublesome' Igbos after their surrender.

The British media would have just said that federal troops went in and mopped up a few remnants of the rebellion. Case closed. Who argues with the British media?

What makes you think the coloniser, who created Nigeria, and who himself has a history of genocide in Africa and elsewhere, would care a hoot if Igbos were eliminated as a group? The same Igbos challenging their Nigerian contraption?

You folks keep having this idea that the white man is some sort of angel who cares about your black behind.

Biafra was a threat to THEIR Nigeria project, and the British gave Nigeria FOR FREE, weapons, warships, and fighter jets to eliminate that threat, but yet you somehow think they cared about you and your survival?

And that they would have opposed Gowon for killing too many of you?

Was it also the British that asked Gowon to declare No Victor No Vanquished and give you money, and help rebuild your cities?

You had ''thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers in the bushes'', so why did you surrender? Why did your leader flee? He clearly had no confidence in the ability of those ''fighters'' or he'd remain there and lead them to victory.

Your naivety is so comical.

It is the same naivety displayed by Ojukwu in fighting a war in the first place, armed with sticks and stones.

The same naivety displayed by IPOB and Kanu today, who approach British parliamentarians and US congressmen to help them actualize Biafra. The very same people who supported and armed Nigeria to keep the nation intact!

I mean, the depth of your geopolitical naivety is just....astonishing.

Are you minding that hate filled mofo? They still think they r a match for the Nigeria military , even with support from France, and other countries

tricksters:
Eveeytime I read about Biafra it only help to reiterate how foolish the igbo tribe could be in chest beating. Here are the reasons why according to the OP submission...

A. You indicated Gowon got foreign support to win the war but your foolish pathetic soul count that as a minus instead of highlighting the failures of your pathetic fathers who grandstand in emphatic failure for not being able to attractive foreign support to aid your cause. This is something boko Haram, Houtis South Sudan n many smalls country achieved effortlessly.

B. Gowon did not commit genocide after the war ended n this pathetic n exceedingly foolish Igbo is praising Ojukwu that ran away in olosho clothing after surrending for Gowon not committing suicide n many of his foolish tribesmen will be liking his post.

C. Aburi accord - some foolish Igbos orchestrated the 1st coup n banished the constitution that was accented to by each n every repsentative that made up the entity Nigeria n now expect the same Nigerians to accept a document they forged from the bedroom of their bigoted mothers as acceptable after being beaten blue-black in the Biafra war they initiated.

How a foolish tribe can be so delusional to the extent of losing a war n making demand is beyond all human reasoning, adding anything to this will only show I am as foolish as the tribe dreaming such foolishness. Country are made to pay reparation after losing wars not to make demands. German just finished paying reparation for causing the 2nd world War.

D. This idiot claims Gowon only fought for his fellow northerners to have economic n political control of Nigeria but did not state why foolish Igbos orchestrated the first coup or why they suspended the regional govt we operated then if not to corner the same economy n political power.

Stop listening to the Lagos/Ibadan expressway media narrative of the war. Gowon got foreign support as head of state Nigeria from Britain who were only after their selfish interests. Biafra was recognized by France, Portugal, Ivory Coast and others but only got norminal support. However, the massive military support Gowon got from Britain and Russia is what made all the difference. If it had not been for British warships that blockaded Biafra, Ojukwu would have sold oil and bought all the arms, food and supplies he needed to fight Nigeria. It was Britain that literally won the war for Nigeria

We all know that you Nigerians would have preferred if Ojukwu was killed at the end of the war. He outsmarted you Nigerians, escaped, later returned to be an influential man in Nigeria. He lived to a ripe old age. And when he died, he got the greatest burial ever witnessed in Nigeria. Even in death, he is still loved and revered by his people for fighting for their freedom. So if you Nigerians were hoping he would be killed like a Chicken at the end of the war, keep hoping

The Aburi accord was an agreement that was signed by Gowon and Ojukwu in Ghana so as to prevent war. Gowon and his Northern cohorts broke the agreement in their desperate bid to break up the Regions and turn everone into their slaves. Only Ojukwu and his people had the backbone to say no. Only them had the will to declare their independence and exit Nigeria. The rest of you Nigerians cowardly and willingly became slaves of Gowon and his Northern cohorts because you had no backbone to stand up and fight for your dignity like Ojukwu and his people.

Freedom is one of the few honorable things in life worth fighting for and we make no apologies for fighting for our freedom.

Gowon caused the war by breaking the agreement he signed, he declared war against people who just wanted to go their way and he only fought for the economic and political domination of Nigeria by his fellow Northerners

Anybody who thinks Gowon is a hero needs to have their heads checked.

Rossippi:
After Ojukwu fled and the East surrendered, they were at the mercy of federal troops.

The federal troops were ready to march into the east and slaughter every single person there, thus ending the existence of the Igbo ethnic group.

Then they received a call from Lagos.

From Yakubu Gowon, who ordered them to sheathe their swords, and return to the barracks.

Without that call from Gowon, there would be no Igbos today, as an ethnic group.

There would be no Onitsha, Enugu, Owerri, Umuahia, Nnewi, Aba, or Abakaliki today.

Those places would have been renamed and would today be called,

New Kaduna

New Benin

Orisha Town

New Lagos

New Ilorin

New Zaria

Osun City

New Ilesha etc etc.


See, THAT is what NORMALLY happens when you lose a war.

You are not just left alone to carry on where you left off. All your leaders are executed. Your cities are burned to the ground, and your men massacred or enslaved, and your women carted off as wives and concubines, and scattered across the land.

But in Nigeria's case it was different, thanks to General Yakubu Gowon.

After the war he declared ''No Victor, No Vanquished''. A WORLD FIRST.

The entire world was STUNNED.

They least expected such a rare display of humanity and magnanimity from any country, least of all, an AFRICAN country.

Africa was a continent they had long dismissed as a savage, barbaric land filled with primitive, warring tribes who despised one other.

Gowon's declaration of ''No Victor, No Vanquished'' made world headlines, and was aired in every newspaper and TV station on earth when it happened, to serve as an example to the world, and to humanity, that military victory does not have to translate to the annihilation of your foe.

He even gave the defeated Biafrans money! And sent in federal funds to help rebuild their fallen cities! And allowed them to continue with self governance!

That simply never happens in warfare.

If you don't know warfare, go and study warfare.

Message for secessionist haters: Truth is, if Nigeria was anywhere near as evil, wicked and hateful of Igbos as you say she is, you wouldn't actually exist.

Bros I want to borrow your weed small. Yeaaahhhhh hmmmmmm.

Ehen back to your gibberish.

Ndigbo should be given a medal for being civil enough not to form 10 rebel guerrilla war fare groups as seen in countries like Congo,Somalia etc. There should be a national statue to worship the igbos who uncharacteristically forgave the level of human carnage meted on them by so called 'African brothers' by integrating and refusing to bear grudge in the early days after the uncivil war happened.

The members of the Biafran research and production unit should be given a heroes status and life salary for not going underground and perfect their weapon of mass destruction, probaby adding nuclear power to it to be used as a negotiating tools with the illiterate federal government. Do you think you will be talking trash if Igbos have nuclear technology.

Gowon should be grateful to the over 300,000 surviving biafran troops who refuse to "sniper" him out of existence for causing a war that should have been avoided if he had balls under his pants. These guys moved to all parts of Nigeria after the war including Lagos the seat of power but they were noble soldiers and not savages so they understand that civilization cannot take place in the atmosphere of savagery.


Lastly you should return the school fees spent on you by your parents ASAP because it is a waste. You are a disgrace to humanity for proposing that a man whose leadership cluelessness led to the genocide of more than 2million members of an ethnic group should be given a medal for stopping his madness halfway. Anuofia!


Please take back your weed. I am done.

YOU MEAN THE BRITISH PROXY WAR

YEA HE IS...

SAME WITH BRITAIN


EXCEPT BRITIAN ARE ASHAMED OF DISCUSSING BIAFRA WAR BECAUSE OF THEIR MAJOR ROLE IN IT

BUT AN AFRICAN IS SEEING GOWON AS WAR HERO

BLACKS

wirinet:


ARTCLE 1 OF UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS ;
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

ARTCLE 20 OF UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS ;
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Please explain how you guys interprete these to articles to mean, it allows or encourages for secession of groups from member states.

The Aburi Accord created 4 different militaries and 4 different civil services. That's a recipe for disaster. Ojukwu would not have been subject to the control or command of Gowon, which was was what he quarreled with in the first place. Please read the articles of the Aburi Accord.

No matter how many times you guys tell the lie that it was Gowon that destroyed the reason, it can never become the truth. Decree 34 of 1966 called the unification decree destroyed the regions and substitute them for states. Nigeria moved from 4 Regions to 4 states, and Gowon moved from it from 4 states to 12 states.

You are quoting the wrong laws. Article 20(1)of the African charter on people and human rights clearly states:

Article 20
1. All peoples shall have the right to exis-
tence. They shall have the unquestion-
able and inalienable right to self-
determination. They shall freely deter-
mine their political status and shall pur-
sue their economic and social develop-
ment according to the policy they have
freely chosen.

This is international law Nigeria has signed up to that all people have a right to agitate for self determination.

Ojukwu was not supposed to be subject to Gowon. No region was supposed to be subject to another, that was the essence of Aburi. Gowons job was to return to Nigeria, put the machinary in place to conduct elections and use the 1963 constitution as the bases of return to civilian rule.

But what did Gowon do? He returned to Nigeria and issued decree 14 of 1967 that abolished the 4 Region's, replaced them with 12 states, took away resource control and fiscal federation in a desperate bid to bring Nigeria under the control of the North. Ojukwu and the Eastern Region refused to stand for it and declared independence which led to a 3 year armed conflict. It was Gowon that caused all the problems with his useless decree 14 that went against Aburi


Anyone who says that decree 34 destroyed the Regions is someone that doesn't know Nigerian history. Despite decree 34, Nigeria still had 4 Regions, had resource control and fiscal responsibility. The only thing decree 34 did was unify the civil service. All the essential ingredients of true federalism such as Regionalism, fiscal federalism, resource control and the revenue sharing formular were all in place

It was Gowon that abolished all 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 states, took away resource control, reversed fiscal responsibility and changed the revenue sharing formular. This he did with decree 14 below.

To this day, Nigeria has never recovered from Gowons decree 14 and useless state creation

Rossippi:


My brother, is it only South American tribes? The entire native American Indian population that once occupied the country we now know as the USA, what happened to them?

Completely obliterated from the face of the earth.

Today a few remnants of them are packed into ''reservations'' where they are monitored like animals in a cage! On their own ancestral land!

The way you people reason is very shocking. I can clearly see the mountain of hatred in your heart against Igbos. The Spanish did not wipe out those indigenous Americans through open killings; it was systemic and it spanned decades to do such. Mind you that the Spanish had superior advantage over those scattered tribes. Nigeria can't/couldn't do quarter of that to Igbos. They might started and manage to kill a few hundred of thousands more but Ojukwu in Cote D'Ivoire would have got the necessary support from the reports that would come in and the tide turned against Nigeria. Nigeria wasn't manufacturing any ammunition not even a bullet. She depended entirely on the European powers which she would lose if they had attempted it. I know your hatred would allow you to reason up to that level. This was in the 70s and not in 19th century where you could get away with many things. The Germans had to use concentration camps to kill 6million Jews and this took them 5yrs to do. What was the population of Igbos at that time? Your reasoning has been blurred with hate. Wiping out whole population isn't easy as you may think.
I know what inspired you to bring up this foolish thread. You want us to reason like we owe Gowon our lives and therefore should be subservient to any thing dished to us in Nigeria. This is a very foolish thought pattern. The war we fought is a just one and we're unapologetic about it. If another war comes up millions will still die and no group will be wipe out even if Biafra wins because migration has ensured that the big ethnic groups have their people scattered in other countries.
Finally, Gowon still remain the criminal that he is. He renegaded on the agreement at Aburi and attacked Biafra. He wasn't ready to solve the problem until he has got the domination his fulani lords desired with the enabling of willing tools from your people. It's on record that all the willing tools attacked Biafra before Biafran soldiers ventured into their lands.
Go choke on your hatred. Biafra will come to your greatest sorrow.

PicLtd:
Says an 'I am Ibo' buffoon with lack of ethnic integrity.

Because I am Igbo I should lie to myself and fail to use my brain?

Tufiakwa.

The day you gain your mental independence and stop being a robotic dunce, and slave to Ojukwu and Kanu, you will experience a fuller life, you hear? Ewu.

gidgiddy:


You are quoting the wrong laws. Article 20(1)of the African charter on people and human rights clearly states:

Article 20
1. All peoples shall have the right to exis-
tence. They shall have the unquestion-
able and inalienable right to self-
determination. They shall freely deter-
mine their political status and shall pur-
sue their economic and social develop-
ment according to the policy they have
freely chosen.

This is international law Nigeria has signed up to that all people have a right to agitate for self determination.

Ojukwu was not supposed to be subject to Gowon. No region was supposed to be subject to another, that was the essence of Aburi. Gowons job was to return to Nigeria, put the machinary in place to conduct elections and use the 1963 constitution as the bases of return to civilian rule.

But what did Gowon do? He returned to Nigeria and issued decree 14 of 1967 that abolished the 4 Region's, replaced them with 12 states, took away resource control and fiscal federation in a desperate bid to bring Nigeria under the control of the North. Ojukwu and the Eastern Region refused to stand for it and declared independence which led to a 3 year armed conflict. It was Gowon that caused all the problems with his useless decree 14 that went against Aburi


Anyone who says that decree 34 destroyed the Regions is someone that doesn't know Nigerian history. Despite decree 34, Nigeria still had 4 Regions, had resource control and fiscal responsibility. The only thing decree 34 did was unify the civil service. All the essential ingredients of true federalism such as Regionalism, fiscal federalism, resource control and the revenue sharing formular were all in place

It was Gowon that abolished all 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 states, took away resource control, reversed fiscal responsibility and changed the revenue sharing formular. This he did with decree 14 below.

To this day, Nigeria has never recovered from Gowons decree 14 and useless state creation

Very correct. Since Nigeria is a signatory to the UN, she should abide by that article 20. If on the other hand she doesn't want to abide, she should pull out of UN and man up to the flood that will descend on her. See the descripit contraption some demons are dying to sustain! They prefer death, arson and desolation to that obtained in sane countries.

Yujin:

The way you people reason is very shocking. I can clearly see the mountain of hatred in your heart against Igbos. The Spanish did not wipe out those indigenous Americans through open killings; it was systemic and it spanned decades to do such. Mind you that the Spanish had superior advantage over those scattered tribes. Nigeria can't/couldn't do quarter of that to Igbos. They might started and manage to kill a few hundred of thousands more but Ojukwu in Cote D'Ivoire would have got the necessary support from the reports that would come in and the tide turned against Nigeria. Nigeria wasn't manufacturing any ammunition not even a bullet. She depended entirely on the European powers which she would lose if they had attempted it. I know your hatred would allow you to reason up to that level. This was in the 70s and not in 19th century where you could get away with many things. The Germans had to use concentration camps to kill 6million Jews and this took them 5yrs to do. What was the population of Igbos at that time? Your reasoning has been blurred with hate. Wiping out whole population isn't easy as you may think.
I know what inspired you to bring up this foolish thread. You want us to reason like we owe Gowon our lives and therefore should be subservient to any thing dished to us in Nigeria. This is a very foolish thought pattern. The war we fought is a just one and we're unapologetic about it. If another war comes up millions will still die and no group will be wipe out even if Biafra wins because migration has ensured that the big ethnic groups have their people scattered in other countries.
Finally, Gowon still remain the criminal that he is. He renegaded on the agreement at Aburi and attacked Biafra. He wasn't ready to solve the problem until he has got the domination his fulani lords desired with the enabling of willing tools from your people. It's on record that all the willing tools attacked Biafra before Biafran soldiers ventured into their lands.
Go choke on your hatred. Biafra will come to your greatest sorrow.

Again, another block head who thinks any criticism of Biafra must emanate from a non-Igbo person. You Igbos actually think you own and control the thoughts of every Igbo person, with your little, ignorant mosquito brains?

Must be your low IQ.

Get this, you dunce. Millions of Igbos like myself do not agree with IPOB or believe in secession.

I know it hurts you to hear that. But you see, God, in his infinite wisdom, created us all with independent minds. YOU decided to subject yourself to the dictates of, and loyalty to one 'tribe' out of the earth's millions of ethnicities and nationalities, purely for your own imbecilic, irrational reasons.

There is no natural or divine law that says you must support or approve of everything the ethnic group you were born into, does. YOU chose to be that way.

No matter how much you try to make Igbos be your herd of cattle who all think the same way, it will never happen in a billion years.

And this attitude should be really scary for anyone contemplating living in a future ''Biafra''.

It is very obvious that such an entity would be a vicious dictatorial hellhole where diversity of opinion is suppressed, with dissenters hunted down and maybe even killed.

Your Biafra will be just another failed African banana republic, and it shows everyday in your primitive herd mentality/utterances on this site.

As for the rest of the garbage you typed up there, you can lie to yourself all you want. In this same Africa, the genocide of millions has occurred in various places over the past 500 years, and NOTHING happened to the perpetrators. Just as nothing would have happened if Gowon had allowed his troops to finish up the job.

YOU very likely owe your life to him. Whether you want to accept that or not is absolutely irrelevant. We all know how the civil war went, and how Biafra was reduced to a starving, unarmed, helpless, hapless mess by the conflict, which led to her surrender. So keep lying to yourself since it makes you feel better. Narcissist.

No day passes without seeing an IGBO thread created by these Jobless Yoruba Muslims.

Area4Area:
Every other thing you wrote doesn't fit in and especially your second paragraph which I'd have delved into more but time restraint.

All in all, Ojukwu still messed up, as at 1968, cities and towns like Abakaliki, Enugu, Nsukka, Udi, Awka, Onitsha, Aba, PH, Akwa-Cross area, old Rivers etc had all fallen to federal forces, the same Biafra was just a small enclave surrounded by Nigeria and shrinking everyday, what was Ojukwu still stupidly fighting for?
Why still subjecting those not yet under the federal forces to starvation and death? Why not surrender in 1968 and stop the carnage? He had to wait till 1970 when millions more had died before he went into exile and told Effiong to announce his surrender........ rubbish.

I don't blame you! You don't know what we fought for. Even your statement betrays your ignorance. Was it Ojukwu that fought or Biafrans? Those who witnessed the unwarranted pogrom in northern Nigeria had a first hand taste of hatred from their supposed compatriots and wouldn't just throw in the towel. You guys have learnt nothing from the war. Today, similar things of the 60s are happening and we are still demanding Biafra. You guys still don't understand why despite the fact that Igbos are living averagely like every other group yet, we demand Biafra. I won't waste my time explaining to you. Catalonians still demand independence despite how developed their land is. Do you wish them failure too? Are they stupid or greedy for making such demands despite all that Spain did for them. Your problem is hatred.

Rossippi:
After Ojukwu fled and the East surrendered, they were at the mercy of federal troops.

The federal troops were ready to march into the east and slaughter every single person there, thus ending the existence of the Igbo ethnic group.[/b]

[b]Then they received a call from Lagos.

From Yakubu Gowon, who ordered them to sheathe their swords, and return to the barracks.

Without that call from Gowon, there would be no Igbos today, as an ethnic group.

There would be no Onitsha, Enugu, Owerri, Umuahia, Nnewi, Aba, or Abakaliki today.

Those places would have been renamed and would today be called,

New Kaduna

New Benin

Orisha Town

New Lagos

New Ilorin

New Zaria

Osun City

New Ilesha etc etc.


See, THAT is what NORMALLY happens when you lose a war.

You are not just left alone to carry on where you left off. All your leaders are executed. Your cities are burned to the ground, and your men massacred or enslaved, and your women carted off as wives and concubines, and scattered across the land.

But in Nigeria's case it was different, thanks to General Yakubu Gowon.

After the war he declared ''No Victor, No Vanquished''. A WORLD FIRST.

The entire world was STUNNED.

They least expected such a rare display of humanity and magnanimity from any country, least of all, an AFRICAN country.

Africa was a continent they had long dismissed as a savage, barbaric land filled with primitive, warring tribes who despised one other.

Gowon's declaration of ''No Victor, No Vanquished'' made world headlines, and was aired in every newspaper and TV station on earth when it happened, to serve as an example to the world, and to humanity, that military victory does not have to translate to the annihilation of your foe.

He even gave the defeated Biafrans money! And sent in federal funds to help rebuild their fallen cities! And allowed them to continue with self governance!

That simply never happens in warfare.

If you don't know warfare, go and study warfare.

Message for secessionist haters: Truth is, if Nigeria was anywhere near as evil, wicked and hateful of Igbos as you say she is, you wouldn't actually exist.

Statement in red is borne out of idiocy. It is very nice to know you can never be in position to make decision about cleaning of a gutter. The Nigeria soldiers would have seen the worst resistance ever in human history and experience the worst case of insurgence. The Nigerian soldiers were not even able to grab young ladies from the villages as any attempt was meant with forceful resistance by returned Biafran soldiers

Rossippi:


Again, another brainless person who thinks any criticism of Biafra must emanate from a non-Igbo person. You Igbos actually think you own and control the thoughts of every Igbo person, with your little, ignorant mosquito brains?

Must be your low IQ.

Get this, you dunce. Millions of Igbos do not agree with IPOB or believe in secession.

I know it hurts you to hear that. But you see, God, in his infinite wisdom, created us all with independent minds. YOU decided to subject yourself to the dictates of, and loyalty to one 'tribe' out of the earth's millions of ethnicities and nationalities, purely for your own imbecilic, irrational reasons.

There is no natural law that says you must support or approve everything your ethnic group does. YOU chose to be that way.

No matter how much you try to make Igbos be your herd of cattle who all think the same way, it will never happen in a billion years.

And this attitude should be really scary for anyone contemplating living in a future ''Biafra''.

It is very obvious that such an entity would be a vicious dictatorial hellhole where diversity of opinion is suppressed, with dissenters hunted down and maybe even killed.

Your Biafra will be just another failed African banana republic, and it shows everyday in your primitive herd mentality/utterances on this site.

As for the rest of the garbage you typed up there, you can lie to yourself all you want. In this same Africa, the genocide of millions has occurred in various places over the past 500 years, and NOTHING happened to the perpetrators. Just as nothing would have happened if Gowon had allowed his troops to finish up the job.

YOU very likely owe your life to him. Whether you want to accept that or not is absolutely irrelevant. We all know how the civil war went, and how Biafra was reduced to a starving, unarmed, helpless, hapless mess by the conflict, which led to her surrender. So keep lying to yourself since it makes you feel better. Narcissist.

Pretending to be when you're not just to deceive robs your argument of any reasoning. You should be able to argue bearing your original identity. Why are you so pained about Biafra? Do they seek your land? Your attitude is tantamount to witchcraft and you know the deserved punishment for the it.
There are Igbos against Biafra and they're very few. I've spoken some and have been able to see their reasons. Some are out of legitimate concerns while others borne of sheer stupidity or ignorance.

Dedetwo:


Statement in red is bore out of idiocy. It is very nice to know you can never be in position to make decision about cleaning of a gutter. The Nigeria soldiers would have seen the worst resistance ever seen in human history and experience the worst case of insurgence. The Nigerian soldiers were not even able to grab young ladies from the villages as any attempt was meant with forceful resistance by returned Biafran soldiers

Abeg go and sit down. You probably weren't even born when your elders were surrendering and fleeing to Ivory Coast, in the face of overwhelming federal firepower.

Now you have mouth to boast because it's all over and they left you to live. Abeg get lost. Small boy.

gidgiddy:


You are quoting the wrong laws. Article 20(1)of the African charter on people and human rights clearly states:

Article 20
1. All peoples shall have the right to exis-
tence. They shall have the unquestion-
able and inalienable right to self-
determination. They shall freely deter-
mine their political status and shall pur-
sue their economic and social develop-
ment according to the policy they have
freely chosen.

This is international law Nigeria has signed up to that all people have a right to agitate for self determination.

Ojukwu was not supposed to be subject to Gowon. No region was supposed to be subject to another, that was the essence of Aburi. Gowons job was to return to Nigeria, put the machinary in place to conduct elections and use the 1963 constitution as the bases of return to civilian rule.

But what did Gowon do? He returned to Nigeria and issued decree 14 of 1967 that abolished the 4 Region's, replaced them with 12 states, took away resource control and fiscal federation in a desperate bid to bring Nigeria under the control of the North. Ojukwu and the Eastern Region refused to stand for it and declared independence which led to a 3 year armed conflict. It was Gowon that caused all the problems with his useless decree 14 that went against Aburi


Anyone who says that decree 34 destroyed the Regions is someone that doesn't know Nigerian history. Despite decree 34, Nigeria still had 4 Regions, had resource control and fiscal responsibility. The only thing decree 34 did was unify the civil service. All the essential ingredients of true federalism such as Regionalism, fiscal federalism, resource control and the revenue sharing formular were all in place

It was Gowon that abolished all 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 states, took away resource control, reversed fiscal responsibility and changed the revenue sharing formular. This he did with decree 14 below.

To this day, Nigeria has never recovered from Gowons decree 14 and useless state creation

abeg teach am.. Some of them were thought only quaran in school

Rossippi:
After Ojukwu fled and the East surrendered, they were at the mercy of federal troops.

The federal troops were ready to march into the east and slaughter every single person there, thus ending the existence of the Igbo ethnic group.

Then they received a call from Lagos.

From Yakubu Gowon, who ordered them to sheathe their swords, and return to the barracks.

Without that call from Gowon, there would be no Igbos today, as an ethnic group.

There would be no Onitsha, Enugu, Owerri, Umuahia, Nnewi, Aba, or Abakaliki today.

Those places would have been renamed and would today be called,

New Kaduna

New Benin

Orisha Town

New Lagos

New Ilorin

New Zaria

Osun City

New Ilesha etc etc.


See, THAT is what NORMALLY happens when you lose a war.

You are not just left alone to carry on where you left off. All your leaders are executed. Your cities are burned to the ground, and your men massacred or enslaved, and your women carted off as wives and concubines, and scattered across the land.

But in Nigeria's case it was different, thanks to General Yakubu Gowon.

After the war he declared ''No Victor, No Vanquished''. A WORLD FIRST.

The entire world was STUNNED.

They least expected such a rare display of humanity and magnanimity from any country, least of all, an AFRICAN country.

Africa was a continent they had long dismissed as a savage, barbaric land filled with primitive, warring tribes who despised one other.

Gowon's declaration of ''No Victor, No Vanquished'' made world headlines, and was aired in every newspaper and TV station on earth when it happened, to serve as an example to the world, and to humanity, that military victory does not have to translate to the annihilation of your foe.

He even gave the defeated Biafrans money! And sent in federal funds to help rebuild their fallen cities! And allowed them to continue with self governance!

That simply never happens in warfare.

If you don't know warfare, go and study warfare.

Message for secessionist haters: Truth is, if Nigeria was anywhere near as evil, wicked and hateful of Igbos as you say she is, you wouldn't actually exist.

Have you read the CIA declassified files on that Civil War? The United States was the people who made it clear to Gowon that they would not tolerate that idea. The Idea was first mooted by Usman Katsina (he wanted the federal troops tokill off every igbo above 5 years old and have the Fulani train the kids). Gowon was still beligerent even after the war, Arguing with the US about who should solve the kwashiorkor issue in the east. According to Gowon, "Kwarshiokor is a Nigerian issue to be solved by Nigerians". It was in this same period that Awolowo was poisioning infant baby formular going to the east.

Rossippi:


Because I am Igbo I should lie to myself and fail to use my brain?

Tufiakwa.

The day you gain your mental independence and stop being a robotic dunce, and slave to Ojukwu and Kanu, you will experience a fuller life, you hear? Ewu.

Stop deceiving yourself buddy. You have ZERO integrity and NOBODY is buying your lies.

Take a hike..

PicLtd:


Were you also going to exterminate millions of Igbos who fled to Gabon, Equitorial guinea, Tanzania, Sweden (Von rosen took many to Sweden), Tanzania, Ivory Coast, Haiti?

Stop lying. ''Millions'' of Igbos did not flee anywhere. Only a handful of refugees, plus a few elite, made their way out. How did ''millions'' flee? With what transport? In the 1960s? Please stop lying. It's unhelpful.

The worst case scenario would have been a protracted guerrilla warfare which would have either ushered in a Biafra or continued struggle to this day with a huge possibility of the war crossing into your own region whether you liked it or not.

Na so. What would you have fought the guerrilla war with? Your little toy guns or matchetes?

Listen up. To fight a guerrilla war you need WEAPONS. Biafra had no weapons, and was blockaded, so could import none, assuming she actually had any money to import anything after the surrender.

Biafra was too weak and hungry/starving to launch a guerrilla war. You do not fight guerrilla war on an empty stomach.

Secondly, Nigeria was just too powerful, and would have decimated those fighters by carpet bombing them, and burning down all the cities of the east, or bombing them to smithereens.

This was what happened in Germany in WW2. German cities like Dresden, Berlin, Munich etc were bombed to smithereens by the allied forces.. Totally destroyed. And then Hitler committed suicide. Some say he fled to Argentina.

Why do you think the Germans did not engage in guerrilla warfare to continue the battle? You know why? They looked around them and saw there was nothing worth fighting for.

Losing a war can be highly demoralising especially when your cities are burnt to the ground and millions of your people have been killed.

Biafra saw that coming, and that was why they surrendered. Please stop deceiving yourself that they could have fought a guerrilla war. They had no ability to do so with the starvation, and their experience with Nigerian forces.

PicLtd:


Stop deceiving yourself buddy. You have ZERO integrity and NOBODY is buying your lies.

Take a hike..

I've no interest in whether a nameless im.becile like you believes me or not.

Next?

Malawian:

Have you read the CIA declassified files on that Civil War? The United States was the people who made it clear to Gowon that they would not tolerate that idea.

Na so. Talk is cheap as they say.

Here is one US declassified report I came across in which aid workers were accusing the US govt of doing the exact opposite, ie of supporting the FG's ''genocide and starvation'' of the East.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/documents/organization/53820.pdf

The US will always cover their asses in every situation, so I'm sure they would have sent some sort of memo to the FG at some point warning against genocide. But the Americans are allies of the Brits till this day, and saw Nigeria as being within the British sphere of influence. They would never go against their British allies, least of all because of some 'remote African tribe'.