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Cassyboy2:
Oba of Benin has been dethroned before. Get back to history.

when ? And by whom ? In which circomstances ?

seunmsg:
Rubbish. There is no untouchable king in Nigeria right now. Governors are actually the real Kings as far as states are concerned. Alaafin, Sultan and Oba of Benin have all been dethroned by government in the past without any problem. No king is bigger than the state governor. They all serve at the mercy of the state government.

which government dethroned the Oba of Benin and who took over the throne ?

tiyejoor:
Alafin of Oyo. The one who commands the former Oyo empire including Osun and your Benin Kingdom.Most of you don't know the power this Monarch Commands.

Since when is oyo an empire ?
And since when is Benin empire a part of oyo kingdom ?
I believe you guys are drunk, even you alafin of oyo has never dared to say his small and weak kingdom ever controlled Benin empire.
Let me just remind you that a few fulani took over oyo kingdom and sold its people into slavery.

Abeg shift joor! These three u mentioned are just wise enough to stay their lane but if they tackle the FG even their forefathers go hear am*

No stool is above the FG in naija and that was how the British wanted it to be. The throne is an illusional authority the real power is in the government.... the British made sure of it.

Kings of now a dayz (especially when the respect accorded to our cultures and traditions have been swept under by politicians )are anything but untouchable and they know it!

[quote author=iamDrRhymes post=87325232][/quote]the OBA of Benin was never dethroned by any Nigerian governor and can never be dethroned

CharleyBright:
What do you know small boy?
Didnt Sani Abacha remove a Sultan of Sokoto?
U werent born then i guess.

Just to let you know, things have changed. This is not precolonial era. Traditional rulers are now puppets on a string. They are no more powerful as they were before, they can be removed at anytime if they dont play ball... and they know it.
By the way, who pays their bill?

Let me guess, you are not even 20 years old.
Basically what you are saying is that this is the post-colonial era and that traditional rulers no longer have executive powers.
I am saying that you are not above 20 years old because you seem to have just discovered this thing which happened before the birth of your grand father.
Also your statement makes it look like in the precolonial era, government couldn't remove the traditional rulers. What you fail to understand is that in the precolonial era, there was no nigeria. Traditional rulers were the goverment of their respective countries.
The british invaded and destroyed african monarchies and took over the executive power.
When the british were leaving they left in place a puppet govermenent called the nigerian government. There you have your puppets.

kapelvej:
No. He fought the British. Mo one replaced him on while in Calabar. The throne was empty till he died. The throne was taken by his son after he died. The oba of Bini are usually not human, they are gods.

British dethroned the god . Oga his throne being empty is a traditional but the fact remains that he was dethroned and sent to exile

Susu888:
Abeg shift joor! These three u mentioned are just wise enough to stay their lane but if they tackle the FG even their forefathers go hear am*

No stool is above the FG in naija and that was how the British wanted it to be. The throne is an illusional authority the real power is in the government.... the British made sure of it.

Kings of now a dayz (especially when the respect accorded to our cultures and traditions have been swept under by politicians )are anything but untouchable and they know it!

So before, the government couldn't touch them ?
Ok, you are just a bafoon.
The fact that the very existance of nigeria means the tradition rulers no longer have executive power is obvious. Saying it like if you have just dicovered a cure for cancer is proof of your stupidity.

Also, for your info, nigeria is supposed to be a democracy in which the government serve the people. Not the reverse.
Traditional institutions are our links to our culture and to the governements which ruled the countries of our ancestors.

moscobabs:
British dethroned the god . Oga his throne being empty is a traditional but the fact remains that he was dethroned and sent to exile

That is usually what happens when a king loses a war. The same thing happened to Napoléon Bonaparte.
So what is your point exactly ?

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ghostwon:
Let me guess, you are not even 20 years old.
Basically what you are saying is that this is the post-colonial era and that traditional rulers no longer have executive powers in it.
I amsaying that you are not above 20 years old because you seem to have just discovered this thing which happened before the birth of your grand father.
Also your statement makes it look like in the precolonial era, government couldn't remove the traditional rulers. What you fail to understand is that in the precolonial era, there was no nigeria. Traditional rulers were the goverment of their respective countries.
The british invaded and destroyed african monarchies and took over the executive power.
When the british were leaving they left in place a puppet govermenent called the nigerian government. There you have your puppets.

Young man, would it surprise you to know am over twice the age you are brandishing?
Am not gong engage in age debate with you. But i can tell you for CERTAINTY that when i was writing my SSCE examination, your father had likely not met your mother, talk less of conceiving you.
I no be your mate get that into your head.

CharleyBright:
Young man, would it surprise you to know am over twice the age you are brandishing?
Am not gong engage in age debate with you. But i can tell you for CERTAINTY that when i was writing my SSCE examination, your father had likely not met your mother, talk less of conceiving you.
I no be your mate get that into your head.

So it is senility which makes you talk like a toddler ?

Cassyboy2:
Oba of Benin has been dethroned before. Get back to history.

The british fought a war against Oba Ovonramwen.
Oba Ovonramwen was succeeded by his son Oba Eweka 2.
Oba Eweka 2 was succeeded by his son Oba Akenzua 2.
Oba Akenzua 2 was succeeded by his son Oba Erediawa 2.
Oba Erediawa 2 was succeeded by his son Oba Ewuare 2.

So who did the nigerian goverment dethrone, when and in which circomstances and by which nigerian government ?

ghostwon:
which government dethroned the Oba of Benin and who took over the throne ?

The British government.

ghostwon:
So it is senility which makes you talk like a toddler ?

The important thing is that you got and very well understood the message . Always look before you leap. Not every person on Nairaland is your mate.

seunmsg:
The British government.

My friend, that is called losing a war.
Before then, the Oba was the head of state of his empire.
He had his own army, his country Benin empire had its own economy.
He had embassadors and all, he ruled a sovereign country.

He fought the british empire and lost.
The british then exiled him and colonized the region. (After the emperor's demize, his son came back and took over)
Have you just dicovered colonisation ?
So now, you want to tell me colonization is just the same as the nigerian government dethroning a traditional ruler ?


I don't know, what is you people's point exactly ?

CharleyBright:
The important thing is that you got and very well understood the message .
Always look before you leap.
Not every person on Nairaland is your mate.

you are certainly not my intellectual mate.

ghostwon:
My friend, that is called losing a war.
Before then, the Oba was the head of state of his empire.
He fought the british empire and lost.
The british then exiled him and colonized the region.
Have you just dicovered colonisation ?
So now, you want to tell me colonization is just the same as the nigerian government dethroning a traditional ruler ?
I don't know, what is you people's point exactly ?

The fact is that the British dethroned him exactly the same way Dosunmu was dethroned in Lagos. They removed him, looted his palace, burn down whatever was left of the palace and exiled him to calabar. And guess what, nothing happened to the British officers that conquered him.

Has the Oba of Benin been dethroned before? Yes. It makes no difference if it was done by a conquering British government or the government of Edo State.

The British colonized Nigeria without dethroning so many traditional ruler. In fact, after Ovonramwen surrender himself, he begged the British to leave him on the throne but they refused. He was dethroned and banished deliberately.

The point of the argument is clear, governors can dethrone any traditional ruler within their state. Oba of Benin is not an exception. If Oba involves himself in politics and becomes so unlucky that the person he supported publicly lost, and the victorious governor is a vindictive and crazy person like Ganduje, he will dethrone the Oba and nothing will happen.

seunmsg:
The fact is that the British dethroned him exactly the same way Dosunmu was dethroned in Lagos. They removed him, looted his palace, burn down whatever was left of the palace and exiled him to calabar. And guess what, nothing happened to the British officers that conquered him.

Has the Oba of Benin been dethroned before? Yes. It makes no difference if it was done by a conquering British government or the government of Edo State.

1)So as I suspected, to you the fact that the british fought a war against Benin empire is irrelevant.

2)You do know that a lot of people died on both sides (in the british side and on the Benin side) ? I hope so.

3)Also, there was nothing called Edo state when Benin empire fought against the british. Rather the land we now call Edo-state was a tiny fraction of Benin empire.

4) Your case is beyond me. Colonization happened to every country in Africa.

5)Also, the british burned down the entire capital of Benin empire (the capital is Benin city). (except a church and the house of one traitor)

6)Also the admiral who led the british forces commited suicide.

seunmsg:
In fact, after Ovonramwen surrender himself, he begged the British to leave him on the throne but they refused. He was dethroned and banished deliberately.

So, you were there, you saw everything and you survived to tell us the story ? wtf ?
You nigerians just like to talk bs all the time.

seunmsg:
The point of the argument is clear, governors can dethrone any traditional ruler within their state. Oba of Benin is not an exception. If Oba involves himself in politics and becomes so unlucky that the person he supported publicly lost, and the victorious governor is a vindictive and crazy person like Ganduje, he will dethrone the Oba and nothing will happen.

So the fact that Benin empire lost a war to the british empire proves that the Edo-state government can dethrone the Oba of benin with no consequences ? What logics are you applying ? Or is it weed which you are smoking ?

seunmsg:
The British colonized Nigeria without dethroning so many traditional ruler.

Indeed the "rulers" who gave up to the british without a fight were not "dethroned".
We all know which "rulers" we are talking about.
Those are your yoruba cowardly rulers: the ooni of ife and the alafin of oyo.

Now you are trying to turn reality upside down and make the cowardlyness of the yoruba look respectable and the bravery and fighting spirit of the true rulers (the true kings) look as a disgrace !

A true ruler doesn't give up his domain without a fight.
All the true rulers of Africa were exiled because they dared to fight.

ghostwon:
So, you were there, you saw everything and you survived to tell us the story ? wtf ?
You nigerians just like to talk bs all the time.

Sometimes some people are just amazing.
if this type of people carry Bible or Quran,they'll defend it to their last breath,were you there when the events in these Holy book take place,but you can defend it so well.
but you own history is bs and you don't understand.
No insults please.

All obas in Ng can be removed by even the most illiterate governor.

kryptochats:
apart from sultan, others are gods, fight them make the gods come after you

awolowo once deposed an oni in the past..abacha deposed sultan dasuki and sent him to prison..in fact he was seen washing his cloths by himself,notting happened..so oga none are untouchable.

famouscargo4u:
He was dethroned by Awolowo but what happened thereafter? Awolowo died a very shameful death and Bode Thomas his right hand man barked till he died.

so awolowo died in 1955..hmm now I know you are just16ys of age

ahaz:
so awolowo died in 1955..hmm now I know you are just16ys of age

Calm down. I never said he died in 1955 but the curse on him made him take his life.

famouscargo4u:
Calm down. I never said he died in 1955 but the curse on him made him take his life.

Awolowo died at the ripe age of 78, thirty two years after he deposed the Alaafin. He died a natural death, he didn’t take his life. There was nothing shameful about his death and it has absolutely nothing to do with the dethronement of the Alaafin.

BeLookingIDIOT:
The Sultan of sokoto has been dethroned before; the alaafin of Oyo also.Even the oba of Benin can also be dethroned.

Hmmm.......thunder can strike just for typing oba of Benin..chai..do not play with fire ooo...

People, abeg make we no fool ourselves, there is no king that cannot be dethroned, in fact the royal stool is placed under the supervision of a mere commissioner. If any of the royal father's mentioned above should cross their lane the commissioner can do and undo. I saw someone talking about Alaafin, he should go and read history there was an Alaafin that was dethroned.

ogmask:
For me, the Oba of Benin is the only king among the ones mentioned that can not be replaced until he dies.
Yes, the political authority can unseat a traditional ruler according to our constitution but that authority can not
appoint just anybody to ascent the throne in Benin.
Dethroning the Oba of Benin is like totally eradicating the Benin Royal stool. Even the British with their almighty
colonial powers couldnt replace Ovoravwen. Onyaregbulem, ones military administrator, had issue with Oba Eradiauwa an we
all know how that ended.

Bro, can you synthesise the travails Onyearugbulem faced? I heard he died mysteriously.