₦airaland Forum

kestolove95:
Sultan of sokoto my foot, where were u wen dasuki father was dethrone by abacha? Guy go learn history

emkz:
Bro, can you synthesise the travails Onyearugbulem faced? I heard he died mysteriously.

Mjpem23:
[s]Are you playing ??
The Alaafin that was banished in 1955 was dethroned with due cultural and Traditional process.
Go learn history sir...[/s]

Laxra:
Sometimes some people are just amazing.
if this type of people carry Bible or Quran,they'll defend it to their last breath,were you there when the events in these Holy book take place,but you can defend it so well.
but you own history is bs and you don't understand.
No insults please.

HornyTave:
I'm Edo and I would say ALL Kings in Nigeria can be dethroned but the Issue with Bini/Ishan Kingship is WHO would succeed them.

According to Bini/Ishan TRADITION you can't install another King While the former is alive. There are some rites that most be performed before a new King can take over.

In 1897 Ovonramwen was conquered and exiled, and Oral History has it, another Rebellion broke out when the British tried to install another king while Ovonramwen was alive.

In 2016 Oshomole tried to dethrone the Onojie of Uromi, we know how it ended.

There is this thing every Bini/Ishan person respect and uphold in reverence, it's TRADITION and in OUR TRADITION the KING is the representation of GOD Himself on Earth.

Afamed:
No Oba / Emir or Obi is above the Gov . Go against their interest in public and you become another Sanusi

Goke7:
You have said it all, traditional rulers no matter the level of jazz are like mobile apps that can be installed and uninstalled

seunmsg:
Navy captain Onyearugbulem did not die as a result of his suspension of Oba of Benin. He served as military administrator of Edo State from August 1998 to May 29, 1999 when he handed over to the elected civilian governor. After handing over, he went back to Imo state and joined partisan politics. He was planning to contest the 2003 governorship election in Imo state before he died suddenly in 2002. His death had nothing to do with the suspension of Oba of Benin about four years before.

Afamed:
He was a kid then. He wouldn't know

ghostwon:
Oral history ? What is that ?
Ishan and Bini ? We have the same emperor !

HornyTave:
The Binis and Ishan share more history than the Yorubas. Ishans are the Mercenaries used by the Obas mostly in tough wars and situations like the capture of Eko and Dahommey.

Most Ishan kings are descendants of Bini kings, example my lineage of the Kings of Uromi is from Ichesan, The half bini and half Portuguese of Oba Ewuare the First and many other kings in Ishan.

The Bini/Ishan Feud started in the war of autonomous control between Akenzua 1 (might be wrong on the name) and Onojie Agba, it resultedto the death of both Kings (cousins actually)
I listen more to Oral history than Written History.

ghostwon:
Precolonial maps of Benin Kingdom:

Some of the maps:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

"Oral history" is made up story. Only uneducated people would pay attention to "oral history".
Normal history requires every element to be proven.

CSTR2:
The sultan of sokoto has been deposed before.

It's like this guy does not know history.

There are Kings like the dein of agbor and the asagba of asaba with more unshakeable royalty than these so called popular Kings.

HornyTave:
When you discuss written History, you also look from the angle of the writer also, the Bini has no method of writing except 'sculptures ' 'Night folk tales' 'songs '.

IN MY OPINION the only history that's credible on my part about the Bini History is the Portuguese account. The written History by the British Empire about Bini on my part is a story of the Conqueror over the Conquered

'until Africa begins to write it's own history, it will continue to be a history of the Conqueror over the Conquered, of the hunter over His price and A history of the master of His slave'

seunmsg:
Rubbish. There is no untouchable king in Nigeria right now. Governors are actually the real Kings as far as states are concerned. Alaafin, Sultan and Oba of Benin have all been dethroned by government in the past without any problem. No king is bigger than the state governor. They all serve at the mercy of the state government.

bjdon:
I am not responsible for your education or lack of.

ghostwon:
Did I talk about the British, or the Portuguese ?
Look, yes British war propaganda against Edo should be looked into as nothing but propaganda.
But there have been multiple visits to Benin Kingdom by many people who could write and who wrote down what they saw. Also the first visit of the British was not the war which took place, we had a friendly relationship with them for centuries before the war.
Let us try and be logical in all we say.
The war propaganda is propaganda. But other records are historical.
Also Africa can not write it's history, it can only write it's present which will become history in the future.

Have a nice day bro.

DrOBD:
Pardon my ignorance. Which Nigerian Givernor since 1960 have tried to dethrone the Oba of Benin. Only the first son of the King can become an Oba, so who did they replace the Oba with. Please clarify.

kode12:
I like where you are coming from, but kindly note that traditional rulers can be removed by the sitting governors of their states. And as a matter of fact, when Lucky Igbinedion held office c.2005 he too nearly removed the Oba of Benin from office, due to ruckus between the Oba and Nosakhare Igbinedion. The difference was the people of Bini kingdom fought against it and the Benin traditional stool being held in such high regard he had no choice but to back down.

anjowaka510:
All Obas and Emirs are answerable to common local government
Let us learn further from history.
Ovonramwen Nogbaisi of Benin was dethroned in 1897
Also Sultan of Sokoto Ibrahim Dasuki in 1996
And finally Almighty alafin Adeyemi was also dethroned in 1955.

Azmanaty:
Educated illiterate

ghostwon:
Since when is oyo an empire ?
And since when is Benin empire a part of oyo kingdom ?
I believe you guys are drunk, even you alafin of oyo has never dared to say his small and weak kingdom ever controlled Benin empire.
Let me just remind you that a few fulani took over oyo kingdom and sold its people into slavery.

moscobabs:
The fact remains the he was dethroned

GeneralTopic:
Ever since Sanusi Lamido Sanusi was ousted as the emir of Kano, by the Kano State Government, I have been reading comments in here like...

"they can never try this with (Inserts the name of one compound chief from a remote village)"

"the government will never attempt to uninstall (inserts the name of a family chief)"

Bla Bla Bla...

See, there is Royalty and there is Royalty. There are momentous levels to this game that goes beyond our 50 kobo sentiments...

The aura and charisma a traditional stool oozes, together with its historical progression and significance is how it will be treated...

Apart from these SS3 boys below:

Ooni of Ife
Oba of Benin (this particular one is nobody's mate)
Sultan of Sokoto

Your traditional ruler is at the mercy of the state government. The government will install and uninstall him like a mobile app and nothing will happen�... It is a very bitter pill to swallow. I know that. But let's resist the urge to argue about "realism" and "idealism" today... On this discourse, please ignore what is ideal and rather talk about what is obtainable.

Written by: Teddy Benson

BeLookingIDIOT:
The Sultan of sokoto has been dethroned before; the alaafin of Oyo also.Even the oba of Benin canhas also be dethroned.

DrOBD:
When you "dethrone" a king, another must take over. However a king can be exiled without dethroning that king. No man born of a woman can "dethrone" the oba of Benin. The natural heir to the throne is the king's first son, and the position is not contested like it's done in other parts of the country.

Ritchiee:
When we talk about a strong and expansive empire,should your weak Benin empire show its face when Oyo Empire is talking?How many wars did your weak Benin empire fight.Mumu empire that could not even hold on to Lagos (where they met the peace loving Aworis and became the first king)which they were lucky to have on a platter of gold but what is the situation now? That your shivering mouth will be straightened for you.Benin empire would have been overrun by the Oyo empire if it were not for the relationship that existed between them.Oyo empire was so expansive that it extended up to Ewe in Ghana and Dahomey, now federal republic of Benin.I don't even think that your weak and shivering empire would be able to withstand the Amazons called Fon.

NGpatriot:
Says who? You?

Traditional leaders all over Nigeria are public officials functioning under state laws? No Oba, King or Emir in Nigeria is above their state governor or state laws.

Oba of Benin is a well respected traditional ruler in Nigeria and he not only respect himself, he has enough wisdom and maturity to stay out of open politics and shenanigan beyond his palace and scope of authority.

Let him step out of that role and see how fast he gets dethroned.

Read the Nigerian and state constitution before your next post.