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Coldie:
2nd how many Togo or Benin or Niger republic graduates do u know residing in Nigeria who work as gatemen or bakery attendants

RisenPhoenix:
But without open borders within a single entity, Igbo traders would have been immigrants, and there would have bewn taxes and tariffs on all their goods and services. It is not only about roads.



Again, most agricultural produce consumed in the Igbo regions is produced outside it. Without the presence of the Federation, Igbos would have had to import all their food.



I have been to the East; only it was a long time ago to be honest. The problem is not with the Central government but with the regional government. Federal allocatiins are adequate and commensurate with what other states are receiving, but to be sincere, the level of mismanagement of funds though endemic nationwide; seems to be much higher in the Igbo regions. I am sincerely no tribalist, and if you were sincere, I am sure you would acknowledge this to be true.



Igbos are the ones who marginalize themselves. They are open about their hatred of every other tribe in Nigeria; sometimes they even hate each other when there is jo one else to diss. You will see Mbaise man talking about Abakaliki man, and Imo woman talking about Anambra woman. Self-pity and self-victimization are not endearing characteristics anywhere. Yet the Igbos still have a strong showing in all parts of the decision making process, from the Senate to the Judiciary and the Ministries.



But the national body as a whole does permit movement of all citizens within the Federation. The Igbos are the most prevalent of all the Nigerian tribes within other communities. Their region alone could not have supported all their population at this standard of living. In the avsence of the Federation, the Igbos would have been immigrants in Kano, Port Harcourt, Lagos or Abuja where most of the jobs are.



Ok. Now I understand the specific meaning. Initially, the op attached his question to the other more common question of Igbo autonomy. So I based my response on the issue of being part of the Federation.

To answer your renewed premise, the projects you named in other regions are specific problems of those regions. For example, the Almajiri schools were primarily a response to the insecurity faced by the whole nation; not a specific favour to the North alone. The 13% derivation fund is as it states, derived from the resources in the South South and is necessary to address the resultant pollution and vocational loss. As for infrastructure projects in the Western regions, they are essential due to the greater presence of industry in those regions; and it is these industries that contribute to the nation's wealth making those projects economically profitable. Those are issues that directly affect the whole nation and not those specific regions. The Igbo regions have self inflicted issues that make them less attractive to investment; even the average Igbo man would rather invest in the West or the North; so they are not targets of viable FG infrastructure projects. Also, as is the case in all regions, allocations are made to the respective Igbo States for their internal development and very little has been done with these allocations. Are your State roads/schools/hospitals better than the Federal roads/schools/hospitals in yout region? The region's officials seem to be more interested in lining their pockets than uplifting their region, and instead of the Igbo people to hold them to task, they'd rather place the blame on 'Afonjas' or 'Abokis' as the source of their problems.

It is time for the Igbos to put away their carried over resentment from the now expired and historical civil war and work with others to move forward. Then they will have a viable case to present. Trust and friendship are not gained by force.

RisenPhoenix:
But without open borders within a single entity, Igbo traders would have been immigrants, and there would have bewn taxes and tariffs on all their goods and services. It is not only about roads.



Again, most agricultural produce consumed in the Igbo regions is produced outside it. Without the presence of the Federation, Igbos would have had to import all their food.



I have been to the East; only it was a long time ago to be honest. The problem is not with the Central government but with the regional government. Federal allocatiins are adequate and commensurate with what other states are receiving, but to be sincere, the level of mismanagement of funds though endemic nationwide; seems to be much higher in the Igbo regions. I am sincerely no tribalist, and if you were sincere, I am sure you would acknowledge this to be true.



Igbos are the ones who marginalize themselves. They are open about their hatred of every other tribe in Nigeria; sometimes they even hate each other when there is jo one else to diss. You will see Mbaise man talking about Abakaliki man, and Imo woman talking about Anambra woman. Self-pity and self-victimization are not endearing characteristics anywhere. Yet the Igbos still have a strong showing in all parts of the decision making process, from the Senate to the Judiciary and the Ministries.



But the national body as a whole does permit movement of all citizens within the Federation. The Igbos are the most prevalent of all the Nigerian tribes within other communities. Their region alone could not have supported all their population at this standard of living. In the avsence of the Federation, the Igbos would have been immigrants in Kano, Port Harcourt, Lagos or Abuja where most of the jobs are.



Ok. Now I understand the specific meaning. Initially, the op attached his question to the other more common question of Igbo autonomy. So I based my response on the issue of being part of the Federation.

To answer your renewed premise, the projects you named in other regions are specific problems of those regions. For example, the Almajiri schools were primarily a response to the insecurity faced by the whole nation; not a specific favour to the North alone. The 13% derivation fund is as it states, derived from the resources in the South South and is necessary to address the resultant pollution and vocational loss. As for infrastructure projects in the Western regions, they are essential due to the greater presence of industry in those regions; and it is these industries that contribute to the nation's wealth making those projects economically profitable. Those are issues that directly affect the whole nation and not those specific regions. The Igbo regions have self inflicted issues that make them less attractive to investment; even the average Igbo man would rather invest in the West or the North; so they are not targets of viable FG infrastructure projects. Also, as is the case in all regions, allocations are made to the respective Igbo States for their internal development and very little has been done with these allocations. Are your State roads/schools/hospitals better than the Federal roads/schools/hospitals in yout region? The region's officials seem to be more interested in lining their pockets than uplifting their region, and instead of the Igbo people to hold them to task, they'd rather place the blame on 'Afonjas' or 'Abokis' as the source of their problems.

It is time for the Igbos to put away their carried over resentment from the now expired and historical civil war and work with others to move forward. Then they will have a viable case to present. Trust and friendship are not gained by force.

bigpicture001:
If this were a university quiz,u would have failed whollfully...u spent so much energy reviewing wot avail to citizens as members of a state....

While the OP asked,granted they are (Igbo's) are NIgerians,what has Nigeria done done the Igbo's..?

U listed ur argument as what they stand to benefit as NIgerians..but amajiris are Nigerias and still get special benefits

oyatz:
Bro, the problem largely due to this forum, NAIRALAND!


The comments made by the members supposed to be vetted in some ways.

In Qoura for instance, you register with known identies.

The names ,qualifations, area of expertise and experience of the commentators are often added when they comment on any topic.

#The Buhari administration is hopelessly nepotic but the good news is that it has three years left.

We will all overcome it.
I

oyatz:
Some of your points are very misleading.
You
1) Are there International Airports in other parts of Nigeria?

And= Yes.

For instance, the Mallam Aminu International Airport,Kano is the busiest airport on the Nigeria to Saudi Arabia route.
There are International Airports in Port-Harcourt,Enugu and Calabar.

2) Can the FG compel Airlines and Air passengers to land in any Airport?

Ans= No

3) The old Federal Capital and Lagos State
are NOT exactly the same thing just as Enugu, the capital of the Old Eastern Region is not exactly the same thing as Enugu State.

The old Federal Capital was limited to Lagos Island, Apapa, Eti-Osa, Lagos Mailand and parts of Surulere LGAs.
Anywhere after the railway crossing at Yaba was never part of the old Federal Capital.

Ikorodu, Ikeja, Epe and Badagary Divisions of the State were never parts of the old Federal Capital but were parts of the old Western Region and many parts of these places were rural areas as at 1991 when the Federal Capital was moved to Abuja.

Cherez:
1. My guy Oyatz, Enugu airport was just touched by GEJ & PMB is on the verge of sth. Ethiopian airline flew to Enugu and Emirate was about to follow suit but the FG needs to setup some instruments and run some standardization before it can accept international flights.
Saudi Arabia is just one country; what about the hundreds of countries all over the world?
Depending on traffic, flight companies can direct their flights to Enugu and sure the SE has lots of travellers too especially to Asia (China)
Port-Harcourt was just rebuilt by the FG also. See these infrastructures are bad and only if the FG does right on them will international flights use them.

2. Now exactly same thing is happening with the seaports.
Bro, see Lagos would have been much better than what it is if the FG had moved some concessions to Onne porta and co. Today, the Yorubas who own Lagos I tell you are groaning cos of the population in the place which is making it hard to control in terms of neatness, crime, etc. I am one of the proponents that Lagos should be depopulated esp non-indigenes should move back to their states; those who have nothing doing there. Reason why I supported Fashola then.

3. The importance of the FCT in Lagos was in structures; all embassies, international organizations, companies, etc which prefers the capital especially for security and diplomatic reasons. And these and their employees all pay taxes to Lagos state
See, Ibadan is an example of my point. Ibadan didn't have the advantage like Lagos but grew out of pure independent hardwork. Kudos to Baba Awo.
You get?


Honestly, I hate to discuss this cos this shouldn't even be a topic if not for the situation we have found ourselves

oyatz:
There are certain factors that mitigate against the economic development of Nigeria but these are actually more of failures of Leadership at ALL levels rather than deliberate conspiracy against a particular Geopolitical zone.

1) The Federal Military Government of the past years slower the progress of Nigeria down by getting involved in business enterprises and limiting the participations of Nigerians in such enterprises.

2) However, the FG can't dictate for market forces for long.


The FG can't improve the economy of a State for long.Only the market forces can do that.
For instance, for almost 30 years that the Federal Capital has been moved to Abuja, the city is still not a commercial city despite that ALL the Federal Ministries, Embassies, International Airport, Universities and the Head-quaters of many companies (including banks) are located in Abuja.


3) There were several attempts by the FG in the past to force maritime traffic to Onne, Calabar and Sapele ports but it backfired (similar to the attempts by the Federal Military Government (FMG) to fix prices of certain commodities)

In 1978, my father's container was forcely diverted from Apapa port to Sapele Port.

He went by road to Sapele, booked and slept in a Hotel there for days, cleared his goods and headed to Lagos to sell his goods at increased prices.

johnmartus:
Name one thing that igbo has done to Nigeria. Only brainless and illiterate person can ask this question.

khiaa:
"It's not what my country can do for me, but what I can do for my country".
John F. Kennedy...US President

His country showed their appreciation by giving him a bullet to his head... Courtesy of the CIA.... Lights Out!

Murder the US president to keep him from signing the Civil Rights Act to give equal rights to black Americans. How are the Igbos treated?

justtoodark:
in the age of ghengis khan,i dont think you igbos would have survived it after defeat....
just my personal opinion....

una realy dodged a bullet, because nigerians saw una as brothers till the very end of the war....

oyatz:
Bro, the problem largely due to this forum, NAIRALAND!

The comments made by the members supposed to be vetted in some ways.

In Qoura for instance, you register with known identies.

The names ,qualifations, area of expertise and experience of the commentators are often added when they comment on any topic.

SLAP44:
1966 pogroms
1954 pogroms
Civil war
Herdsmen attacks
Python dance

rinzaugustine:
Abraham Lincoln was also killed for ending slavery

pazienza:
[s]

Those are normal crimes found around the world.
But do you know the worst crime? It's terrorism.

Boko Haram
Fulani herdsmen

Are ranked in top 5 deadliest terror organizations, and they have tarnished the image of the zoological republic more than anything else in the world.
And worst still, all the vices you named above are all found in large numbers in the North and committed By Northerners as well. [/s]

Coldie:
Tell me what u want them to do?

Can they force Buhari to make appointments, or in anyway do anything that will influence the budget?

Guestlander:
There's nothing Nigeria did for any section of the country which if left alone they couldn't have done for themselves.
You could have made more sense if you asked what ibos have done for Nigeria, or themselves.

obehi247:
.

When you don't know the meaning of Representative federalism, you end up with this kind of post

kettykings:
Please can someone Name one thing Nigeria has done for the igbos which if left alone the igbos would not have been able to do for themselves either in an independent country or as a confederate state.

Please discuss intelligently

PicLtd:
Olympic gold medallions,
Numerous footballers, medals..
Musicians, entrepreneurs.

justtoodark:
in the age of ghengis khan,i dont think you igbos would have survived it after defeat....
just my personal opinion....

una realy dodged a bullet,because nigerians saw una as brothers till the very end of the war....

Justice35:
Nigeria built and still building sea ports in Lagos Nigeria built the third mainland bridge,Nigeria built the nnpc head quarters in Lagos there are hundreds of what Nigeria did in sw.