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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by jesmond3945: 1:00pm On Mar 26, 2020
ogbonti:
wether it his story is true or false, my thing is

you want to spend $43,000 to acquire an academic certificate to become a certified slave working for someone else OR becoming a teacher in one school, and still prone to taking orders, run around and getting fired someday - on top of your hard earned money that was given away for tuition INCLUDING your valuable time spent on reading the ideas of other men tucked in books?


my brother - please i beg you in the name of God, sit down and think of a good business you can start easily with $10,000 and keep the remaining $33,000 in your account. If and when you break even - then apply another $10, 000 from your reserves to shore up your business. so before you exhaust half of that money you will be better positioned for life and there will be no regrets

those who spent their own $43,000 to go to school for PhD will come applying in your company to be your employee in 10 years time, and they will be praying u give them a chance to be your slave. i know you want to have PhD at the end of your name but do remember, when you succeed in business and you become a philanthropist, universities will line up to give you doctoral degrees (honoris causa)

even the great Azikiwe was not a PhD holder but he got his own doctoral as a honorary degree, and he was called Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe until he died.

Mike Zuckerberg was a Harvard drop out- when he got rich through facebook, the same Harvard he dropped out from as an undergraduate gave him a honorary doctoral degree. Go figure!


never aspire to be an employee all your life, nobody can ever pay you what you are worth

- Rich Dad, Poor Dad
which kind of advise is this? op please dont listen to this. In uk, as a phd stusdent you are encouraged to bring ideas that can be funded. Many phd students in uk are springing up start ups here and there. is only nigerians that always think of buying and selling but forget that a business is supposed to solve problems. Infact you need a phd to open up your brains to ideas and opportunities where people cannot see.

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by CreamyDency: 1:03pm On Mar 26, 2020
neutralmind:
Waiting for the experts
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by dives(m): 1:04pm On Mar 26, 2020
Hmm. There are so many pros and cons. But firstly what's your field of specialization? That should help us evaluate your opportunities and prospects better. In the interim, have you considered Europe? Germany to be precise, you are likely to get funding there. How about Canada ?

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by erico2k2(m): 1:08pm On Mar 26, 2020
jesmond3945:
which kind of advise is this? op please dont listen to this. In uk, as a phd stusdent you are encouraged to bring ideas that can be funded. Many phd students in uk are springing up start ups here and there. is only nigerians that always think of buying and selling but forget that a business is supposed to solve problems. Infact you need a phd to open up your brains to ideas and opportunities where people cannot see.
ofcos 9ja nah so so buying and selling, if U chk more than 60% belong to this school of thought Business, its only in Nigeria you find people who cannot even manage to deliver on an errand saying they are looking 4 money to start a business!

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by benji93: 1:11pm On Mar 26, 2020
The bolded is not quite correct. You cannot do it from just anywhere. The availability of online sources is not the only factor. The credibility of your supervisor matters a lot, probably more than the accessibility of information. The availability of information is not quite a factor today actually. In general, most PhD students need guidance during their PhD, as they conduct their research. Getting a good to great mentorship, as you can imagine mostly depends on your supervisor. There's also the problem of what is called wonderful research. This is largely based on what those top-end professors call it. You may not do great during your Phd, but the clout of your supervisor may just be enough to get you those enviable post-doctoral research fellowships. There's a lot of politics in research too.
obstead200:
aunty, u are not being realistic. Maybe u are one of those silverspoon fed kids who are guaranteed a job placement back here in Naija. Or u are just schooling for the fun of it.(maybe because Ur husband wants a wife with a PhD).

Now listen, to be realistic, a PhD is basically a means to an end. And the end is simply more money.

So, for me, I can't spend that amount on any PhD except I have a position locked down waiting for me to step into as soon as I am done. Or unless I am very sure of getting a job placement in that foreign land as soon as I am done. If not, then the only way I can undertake such a PhD is through scholarship.

Trust me, PhD is research based. Which means u can do it anywhere, as long as u are willing to do the donkey work, u will still turn out a wonderful research and contribute greatly to the body of knowledge.
I however, had to admit that research is easier over there in UK cos u have access to prime data sources, premium online libraries and current methodologies.

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by Nobody: 1:16pm On Mar 26, 2020
Phd in what field? Are you planning to go into academics or research?

If you really love academics and research and you are prepared to remain in the middle class range of wealth, it's ok. As long as you don't beggar yourself to live your dream.

If you want to go for Phd in the hope of increasing your earning power, then it is a bad idea. Assuming you learn (take courses online for a start) to be a slightly better than average investor with averagely good luck, you should be able to double that N16million in 3 years and gain cutting edge investment experience in the process. If you go for your Phd, after 3 years, you will start your work life with zero naira and a lot of knowledge of one specific topic; which may or may not be relevant to employers at that point. Even if it is a needed skill, you will be a salary earner, ignorant about investing/ business, and unlikely to ever make the decision to leave the rat race in your lifetime.

So unless you really really love academics and research and are willing to forget wealth for them, it's a poor choice to make.

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by Shancca: 1:22pm On Mar 26, 2020
By the way, why spend this huge amount doing a PhD in the UK? You did your masters in the UK if am correct. You would have seen what the opportunities are for a black man if not being reduced to work as a Carer in nursing homes, even with your PhD. Another point is, if you are not thinking of going into academia, why do a PhD with no value for the employment you seek for? I had my masters in UK and will not say a word further otherwise PhD is much better if you have a funded research to conduct.
Trello:
Hello everyone - I'm not quite sure whether this is the right section to post this.

Anyways, I currently hold a Master's degree and I also recently gained admission into a PhD program in a UK university but with no funding from the school and the estimated total cost of the tuition and living expenses amount to about #16 million for the 3 years.

So, I decided to come seek the opinion of folks here with better experience if it really worth spending this amount in the long run or should I rather invest this amount?

Thank you in advance!
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by babyfaceafrica: 1:23pm On Mar 26, 2020
kikero:


Upthread, I posted a Vanguard article from 2016 about the problem of there being not enough lecturers. I'll post the relevant bit again...



The person speaking is an ASUU official by the way.

In the older universities, that isn't much of an issue. It's the younger government universities and the private universities where the problem is.

You're lucky. Many universities in Nigeria aren't that fortunate.


if person wọn go school, make in go better University....

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by obstead200(m): 1:27pm On Mar 26, 2020
benji93:
The bolded is not quite correct. You cannot do it from just anywhere. The availability of online sources is not the only factor. The credibility of your supervisor matters a lot, probably more than the accessibility of information. The availability of information is not quite a factor today actually. In general, most PhD students need guidance during their PhD, as they conduct their research. Getting a good to great mentorship, as you can imagine mostly depends on your supervisor. There's also the problem of what is called wonderful research. This is largely based on what those top-end professors call it. You may not do great during your Phd, but the clout of your supervisor may just be enough to get you those enviable post-doctoral research fellowships. There's a lot of politics in research too.
I agree. The quality of Ur research is ultimately what your supervisor says it is. I and running a PhD programme.
I know a professor in my faculty of whom I will be ashamed to have him supervise even a PGD project work. The work will be so substandard that External examiners will make mincemeat of such work.
But he is a professor, and due to politics, nobody questions the nonsense he supervises.
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by Jackfeeshar(m): 1:29pm On Mar 26, 2020
Use the money okay sure 3 odds. Thank me later.
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by poweredcom(m): 1:32pm On Mar 26, 2020
Educational mugu 16 Milla if e de my aza I am rich forever I don't need any stupid degree any more in my life before I can get rich

Business plenty to use am do

All dose PHD una de read wetin and which solutions you Africans have been able to use solve in d society
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by BabbanBura(m): 1:35pm On Mar 26, 2020
Bolognese:
If you’re doing a lab - based research, and if your supervisor is a difficult person, trust me it will affect you.

If he does 8 hours per week and earns minimum wage of £8.21/hour, that will barely cover his transport to and from work/Uni, rent and feeding for the month.


True that but am not expecting him to do an £8/hr kind of jobs na. Graduate assistants are being paid higher to assist professors et al
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by benji93: 1:38pm On Mar 26, 2020
I suppose you are studying in Nigeria. I hope you occasionally visit the "PHD students" thread.
obstead200:
I agree. The quality of Ur research is ultimately what your supervisor says it is. I and running a PhD programme.
I know a professor in my faculty of whom I will be ashamed to have him supervise even a PGD project work. The work will be so substandard that External examiners will make mincemeat of such work.
But he is a professor, and due to politics, nobody questions the nonsense he supervises.
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by Nobody: 1:39pm On Mar 26, 2020
It is totally worth it, if you have the funds, and you're self motovated then by all means go for it!. I did a masters in the UK in 2013 and I wish I did a PhD immediately after. However and I'm reaping the benefits now. I'm even considering taking a break from work and going for a PhD. If I wasn't waiting for studentships I would have funded myself.

PhD in the UK is not easy though. You need to be self motivated and fully commited. It's like a full time job

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by ogbonti: 1:49pm On Mar 26, 2020
jesmond3945:
which kind of advise is this? op please dont listen to this. In uk, as a phd stusdent you are encouraged to bring ideas that can be funded. Many phd students in uk are springing up start ups here and there. is only nigerians that always think of buying and selling but forget that a business is supposed to solve problems. Infact you need a phd to open up your brains to ideas and opportunities where people cannot see.


mr. world problem solver- my uncle has a phd from university of london and MBA from oxford- you want to know what he is doing right now? he is a faculty staff at UNIBEN. does he make $10,000 a year? i seriously doubt it ... he is 47 years old so do not think he is some old man.

do you know how many UK phd’s are littered all over Nigeria living very average lives? i mean barely getting by? when harvard university did their alumni meeting in Nigeria recently- i didn’t see one known multimillionaire amongst them - they were mostly lecturers and small small kwe kwe manager here and there maybe getting paid like N200k a month

use your brain oooo, a word is enough for the wise- except you want to be added to the army of frustrated phds in Nigeria always making noise on NTA sunrise as some social commentator. if that’s what you want for your life and your family- then go ahead!

uk phd ko, germany professor ni ... ideas ideas like say na your own idea UK need to survive- did Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, Elam Musk, Michael Bloomberg - these are billionaires- did they need to have PhD to think? tell me, do you know how many phds are on their payroll as just staff members? for your information almost everyone i mentioned above are all college drop outs!


in this modern world where conventional education in most fields and way of thinking is almost outdated you - you want to burn your hard earned cash on some worthless phd? hmmmm - your village people are really on your case right now


when they hand over that paper bearing phd to you and u don take picture finish with gown for convocation and the uk gives you 1 year to work in a barber shop before they boot you out of their country - don’t come here to recite stories that touch, a word is enough for the wise

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by Edoziesmart(m): 1:58pm On Mar 26, 2020
joelbooks:
Not worth it...since they're alternative in Nigeria with less than one million considering your predicament
Less than 1 mill to acquire a PhD in Nigeria?
You must be a joker

Anyway you might be one of these undergraduates that litter this forum. So you won't know how much a PhD program cost here in Nigeria

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by oxiide22(m): 2:06pm On Mar 26, 2020
sexylassie2:
you should be looking for scholarships and grants not wasting that money

16 million is a bad investment for a phd.

use some of that money to immigrate to canada and do your phd there, you might even get s cholarships
video call only?
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by Nobody: 2:15pm On Mar 26, 2020
erico2k2:

How old are you? the way you are talking made me to ask!
May be, I have low Mentality and limited exposure!!!
The 16M Naira got me!! embarassed
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by lordrayne(m): 2:24pm On Mar 26, 2020
ayoelegs:


My advice is simply this: PhD in UK is overrated. You can get the same degree in other European countries and you will be paid at least a 1000 euro monthly and not you paying. Example of such country is Germany, Portugal and Spain. They have English programmes and you don't need to worry. If you have to learn the language then do it. You can inbox me for more info.

I sent you a mail sir
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by jesmond3945: 2:29pm On Mar 26, 2020
ogbonti:



mr. world problem solver- my uncle has a phd from university of london and MBA from oxford- you want to know what he is doing right now? he is a faculty staff at UNIBEN. does he make $10,000 a year? i seriously doubt it ... he is 47 years old so do not think he is some old man.

do you know how many UK phd’s are littered all over Nigeria living very average lives? i mean barely getting by? when harvard university did their alumni meeting in Nigeria recently- i didn’t see one known multimillionaire amongst them - they were mostly lecturers and small small kwe kwe manager here and there maybe getting paid like N200k a month

use your brain oooo, a word is enough for the wise- except you want to be added to the army of frustrated phds in Nigeria always making noise on NTA sunrise as some social commentator. if that’s what you want for your life and your family- then go ahead!

uk phd ko, germany professor ni ... ideas ideas like say na your own idea UK need to survive- did Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, Elam Musk, Michael Bloomberg - these are billionaires- did they need to have PhD to think? tell me, do you know how many phds are on their payroll as just staff members? for your information almost everyone i mentioned above are all college drop outs!


in this modern world where conventional education in most fields and way of thinking is almost outdated you - you want to burn your hard earned cash on some worthless phd? hmmmm - your village people are on your case right now


when they hand over that paper bearing phd to you and u don take picture finish with gown for convocation and the uk gives you 1 year to work in a barber shop before they boot you out of their country - don’t come here to recite stories that touch, a word is enough for the wise
I am sorry your Uncle was probably sponsored and was bonded to return to the University or probably he wanted to return home. This is because with his qualification he is on his way to earning millions if he harnessed the opportunity that came to his way.
Most Uk phd holders in Nigeria are sponsored and bonded to return home to serve in the university and also the immigration policy in Uk before now mandated students to return home after studies but this has changed now with brexit.
Another thing is that most Nigerians who come here for studies don't maximize the opportunities given to them. Take for example, how can you get 50 million for Phd and you come here and study about fishes or some other irrelevant research areas. They always want the easy way out. If you want to do Phd, carry your research in areas that are relevant to the world economy. We have areas like Machine learning, AI, cancer, cybersecurity, quantum science, renewable energy that are hot but our people will prefer to do irrelevant stuff just to answer Phd holder. Only AI and Machine learning alone has spurned thousands of start up with billions of dollars in funding. Like I said the phd period is a time to kill pleasure and embrace hardwork. Learn as much as you can. I know how I encourage my friends to learn python and java even when there course doesn't require such. My slogan is 'you never know tommorow'
All those billionaires you mentioned have one thing in common using ICT to solve problems. Elon Musk was a co-owner of paypal before he ventured into tesla, who are the people doing research and design for him? you think without R and D these guys will survive. Also, america is a capitalist economy making it easy to be a billionaire. if it is was russia or china the state will cut you to size.
Yes there are worthless Phds and useful Phds but our people would never want to do useful Phd because of the stress and sleepless nights.

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by Nobody: 2:32pm On Mar 26, 2020
undecided
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by PapaAdanna: 2:40pm On Mar 26, 2020
Never


That said amount can make a billionaire within that stipulated period of ur PhD completion if invested rightly



We don't lack PhD holders... We lack more business builders.

We have poor PhD holders, ask around

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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by ogbevireo(m): 2:52pm On Mar 26, 2020
Trello:
Hello everyone - I'm not quite sure whether this is the right section to post this.

Anyways, I currently hold a Master's degree and I also recently gained admission into a PhD program in a UK university but with no funding from the school and the estimated total cost of the tuition and living expenses amount to about #16 million for the 3 years.

So, I decided to come seek the opinion of folks here with better experience if it really worth spending this amount in the long run or should I rather invest this amount?

Thank you in advance!

Why not a country where you are guaranteed permanent residency after.
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by Goodguy44: 2:55pm On Mar 26, 2020
Can someone interested in going for MSc study have access to this benefit in those countries?
ayoelegs:


My advice is simply this: PhD in UK is overrated. You can get the same degree in other European countries and you will be paid at least a 1000 euro monthly and not you paying. Example of such country is Germany, Portugal and Spain. They have English programmes and you don't need to worry. If you have to learn the language then do it. You can inbox me for more info.
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by bamiDee1(m): 2:59pm On Mar 26, 2020
My candid advice.

First, what program do you want to read?
Why go to the UK for the PhD?

Maybe you don't know that USA, Canada, Norway, etc will pay you to run a PhD program? i.e literally beg you to come and do a PhD program?
This however applies to Engineering and Medical Science, at least that I know of.

Think about this.


Trello:
Hello everyone - I'm not quite sure whether this is the right section to post this.

Anyways, I currently hold a Master's degree and I also recently gained admission into a PhD program in a UK university but with no funding from the school and the estimated total cost of the tuition and living expenses amount to about #16 million for the 3 years.

So, I decided to come seek the opinion of folks here with better experience if it really worth spending this amount in the long run or should I rather invest this amount?

Thank you in advance!
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by OtotoC: 3:04pm On Mar 26, 2020
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4m will buy a PhD there cash down.
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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by OtotoC: 3:10pm On Mar 26, 2020
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Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by ogbonti: 3:10pm On Mar 26, 2020
jesmond3945:

I am sorry your Uncle was probably sponsored and was bonded to return to the University or probably he wanted to return home. This is because with his qualification he is on his way to earning millions if he harnessed the opportunity that came to his way.
Most Uk phd holders in Nigeria are sponsored and bonded to return home to serve in the university and also the immigration policy in Uk before now mandated students to return home after studies but this has changed now with brexit.
Another thing is that most Nigerians who come here for studies don't maximize the opportunities given to them. Take for example, how can you get 50 million for Phd and you come here and study about fishes or some other irrelevant research areas. They always want the easy way out. If you want to do Phd, carry your research in areas that are relevant to the world economy. We have areas like Machine learning, AI, cancer, cybersecurity, quantum science, renewable energy that are hot but our people will prefer to do irrelevant stuff just to answer Phd holder. Only AI and Machine learning alone has spurned thousands of start up with billions of dollars in funding. Like I said the phd period is a time to kill pleasure and embrace hardwork. Learn as much as you can. I know how I encourage my friends to learn python and java even when there course doesn't require such. My slogan is 'you never know tommorow'
All those billionaires you mentioned have one thing in common using ICT to solve problems. Elon Musk was a co-owner of paypal before he ventured into tesla, who are the people doing research and design for him? you think without R and D these guys will survive. Also, america is a capitalist economy making it easy to be a billionaire. if it is was russia or china the state will cut you to size.
Yes there are worthless Phds and useful Phds but our people would never want to do useful Phd because of the stress and sleepless nights.

no he was not sponsored by Uniben, his father was responsible for everything!
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by ogbonti: 3:16pm On Mar 26, 2020
jesmond3945:

I am sorry your Uncle was probably sponsored and was bonded to return to the University or probably he wanted to return home. This is because with his qualification he is on his way to earning millions if he harnessed the opportunity that came to his way.
Most Uk phd holders in Nigeria are sponsored and bonded to return home to serve in the university and also the immigration policy in Uk before now mandated students to return home after studies but this has changed now with brexit.
Another thing is that most Nigerians who come here for studies don't maximize the opportunities given to them. Take for example, how can you get 50 million for Phd and you come here and study about fishes or some other irrelevant research areas. They always want the easy way out. If you want to do Phd, carry your research in areas that are relevant to the world economy. We have areas like Machine learning, AI, cancer, cybersecurity, quantum science, renewable energy that are hot but our people will prefer to do irrelevant stuff just to answer Phd holder. Only AI and Machine learning alone has spurned thousands of start up with billions of dollars in funding. Like I said the phd period is a time to kill pleasure and embrace hardwork. Learn as much as you can. I know how I encourage my friends to learn python and java even when there course doesn't require such. My slogan is 'you never know tommorow'
All those billionaires you mentioned have one thing in common using ICT to solve problems. Elon Musk was a co-owner of paypal before he ventured into tesla, who are the people doing research and design for him? you think without R and D these guys will survive. Also, america is a capitalist economy making it easy to be a billionaire. if it is was russia or china the state will cut you to size.
Yes there are worthless Phds and useful Phds but our people would never want to do useful Phd because of the stress and sleepless nights.


the society that produced elan musk is not Nigeria but America - did the UK tell you the op will be given residence visa after the phd? i don’t think so, so where will he put all those his ideas after the program? Oworonshoki? hmmm use your brain - enough said!
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by AK481(m): 3:17pm On Mar 26, 2020
Is it a class A university like oxford or Cambridge or imperial college ?

With a PhD with the school above, u can stroll into any university in the world and start working
Re: Is Spending N16M On A 3-Year Ph.D In The UK Worth It? by vertueptime: 3:21pm On Mar 26, 2020
winta2008:


How can someone buy a Federal job?

Thats a topic for another day

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