Ojiofor:


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They should stay home and on self Isolation for their own good.Lol.

The internet would be safer from digital contamination.

Bonesking:
Yes, there are and we know that. But dumbs like you should quit opening threads to show your stupidity. Tell your jobless IPOB touts to leave Igbo issue alone.

I didn't open any thread o...but if I see this type of thread I will always comment the truth that Ikwere is Igbo

Please stop insulting me...I know for a fact that I'm older, richer and more powerful than you... forget anonymity here o

Closed

Aha!!!!!!

selemempe:
[s]I didn't open any thread o...but if I see this type of thread I will always comment the truth that Ikwere is Igbo[/s]

[s]Please stop insulting me...I know for a fact that I'm older, richer and more powerful than you... forget anonymity here o[/s]

Nobody needs your dumb comments.

Much Ado about nothing

Excuse me sir,

Does it necessarily mean they hate Igbos by simply chosing to identify as a separate ethnic group?

Examples of the type of Igbo-Ikwerre relationship occur all over the world. It doesn't necessarily mean hatred.
E.g

Yoruba-Itshekiri

Spannish- Portuguese

Ngizim-Bade (Yobe State)

Urhobo-Isoko

Kanuri- Manga

pazienza:


There is no feelings of hurt. Rather a feeling of clarity and freedom from emotional blindness.

The natural group reaction is to hate those who hate your own group. To do otherwise is to risk your own group demise.
It doesn't matter what Ikwerre people were in the past. What matters is what they currently are. They are a group of Igbo hating confused Bini people whose ancestors lost their Bini language and replaced it with the corrupted version of Igbo language they currently speak. That's the unapologetic image of Ikwerre from a pro Igbo perspective. . An Igbo can only see this if only the Igbo can eliminate sentiments and emotions.

That they bear Igbo names means nothing. An Ntezi (Ukelle) man in Ebonyi does not speak Igbo as a first language, neither does he bear Igbo surnames most times, but he is a real Igbo man whose loyalty and allegiance is to the Igbo nation. That's how nationhood work.
Are you saying that because an ax is made of wood, the trees should be stupid to ignore it's metallic end?

Ikwerre can bear All Igbo names they want or speak Igbo language, but their heart is black towards Igbo, they are truly Bini people. No matter how long the crocodile stays in the river, it will always come to the dry land.

Nwanne, accept that Ikwerre is not Igbo. Look inwards towards SE, and outwards towards Igbo groups outside SE that are proud Igbos. Group identity is like a relationship. It can never work if built on plea or manipulations.

Bonesking:
The internet would be safer from digital contamination.

They should quarantine themselves after mingling with those characters.

Ojiofor:


They should quarantine themselves after mingling with those characters.

True!

There is no need for the insult.


1) Ethnic groups are for identications.


2) We can all dissolve into one super-ethnic group- Nigerians.

It's not compulsory that we must retain the name, we can chose any name we like (e.g Wazobia).

3) Today, the Anglos, Saxons,Vandals, Franks, Romans and Celts in the British Isles have dissolved and re-emerged simply as






The British people.

gidgiddy:


So you will come and abolish the ethnic identity handed down to me from forefathers? Are you crazy? So I will become a "Nigerian", the slave name the British imposed on us all by the barrel of the gun, and forget the ethnic identity of my ancestors? Because it was done in a small country like Rwanda that is not even the population of Enugu?

This must be the most stupid thing I ever heard in my life, that people will abolish their ethnic identity to adopt a useless colonial name imported into Africa by the white man

Barriers between different tribes in Nigeria are gradually fizzling out through trades and marriages.

Many Igbos, Efiks, Hausa, Ijaws in Lagos, Ibadan, Kano, Abuja, Akure, Yola have married into their host communities and their descendants will be less tribalistic.

hammer0:





If it is the bini thing, which actually refers to a place formerly called Idu, then Onitsha people are also involved.

The truth is this issue will be resolved by marriage with the Ikwere.


This is y, i am against the way igbo just marry anyhow and be saying Nigeria.

They are treating marriage the way they treat their investment, in areas that they will one day be asked to leave.


Let us start thinking home first and build our place first.

Our marriages should be targeted to unite our people. That is wat marriage are their for, to unite and continuation of your people culture and identity.

Excuse me sir,

What if marriage with the ugly Afonja is what God has in plan for that Nwanne?

hammer0:



We must sought out Igbo marriage arrangement.

Alot of our people are single becos we have no arrangement since after Biafra war that our grandfathers had.

We cannot marry ugly afonja and be calling ikwere our brothers.

We have to marry our own.

Bonesking:
Old Pazienza still acting stupid. How do you explain this foolery at this age. Look at the monickers you’re engaging. If not foolishness what would you call it. How do discuss useless topics as this with Aboki’s and their Afonja friends. You and the fellow IPOB members such as Selemempe are a disgrace to your fathers house.

Aboki roll call
Meleszenawi
Helinue
SonofEl
And a host of monickers

Afonja row call
Legend an his friends

Don't be senseless.
It doesn't matter who the impostors are.
All I said about Ikwerre on this thread is true. The truth remains the truth even if it's being said by the devil himself.
I'm not unaware of the fact that many monikers here are impostors, however it's immaterial to my contributions on this topic so far.

What kills a man the most is an Imaginary war.

Perceived enemies when the real enemy is at your backyard.
Imagine uploading pictures of Innocent individuals because your mind has been configured to an Imaginary enemy.

No wonder it is said that household enemies kills faster while owner continues searching for far away enemies.

Esu maru ife, tuo onu gboo...

Excuse me sir,

Ethnic group is SELF IDENTITY and it's largely by choice.


There are many people who now accept the Hausa ethnic tag but were not originally Hausas. The same goes for Yoruba and Igbo ethnic groups.

They were classifications done by the British colonial Masters to group tribes/clans which the BRITISH considered similar as one ethnic group.

Those who accept these tags (e.g the Ngwa, AroChukwus, Nzam) and remain loyal to the group are counted as parts of the groups but those who want to opt out are not necessarily bad but different people (e.g Isoko, Itshekiri, Ikwerres etc)


I have met some people who speak Yoruba fluently, eat Yoruba food and practice Yoruba culture, who I also assumed to be Yorubas but once told they are not Yoruba but independent minority groups in Northern parts of Kwara and some parts of Edo State.

hammer0:



I think we may be misunderstanding the NigerDelta union to be something cultural.

These people all speak different language but have subscribe to the Nigerdelta union.

They do live in a different region called SS, as opposed to Igbo SE.

I think it is time to call a spade a spade.

Do they speak Ijaw? If no, then they are not Ijaw.


This is the samething we are saying with the Ikwere.


Ethnicity is not a matter of choice but a matter of facts.


Pazienza we need to have laid down criteria for accessing these things, so we dont make mistake.

hammer0:



We must sought out Igbo marriage arrangement.

Alot of our people are single becos we have no arrangement since after Biafra war that our grandfathers had.

We cannot marry ugly afonja and be calling ikwere our brothers.

We have to marry our own.

Are you talking about these ugly afonjas,enh OSU?
You are just waking up from your hunger induced sleep in your IDP camp,innit?

Bonesking:
Old Pazienza still acting stupid. How do you explain this foolery at this age. Look at the monickers you’re engaging. If not foolishness what would you call it. How do discuss useless topics as this with Aboki’s and their Afonja friends. You and the fellow IPOB members such as Selemempe are a disgrace to your fathers house.

Aboki roll call
Meleszenawi
Helinue
SonofEl
And a host of monickers

Afonja row call
Legend an his friends

are you okay?

[s]

waledeji:
Much Ado about nothing

[/s]

oyatz:
Excuse me sir,

Does it necessarily mean they hate Igbos by simply chosing to identify as a separate ethnic group?

Examples of the type of Igbo-Ikwerre relationship occur all over the world. It doesn't necessarily mean hatred.
E.g

Yoruba-Itshekiri

Spannish- Portuguese

Ngizim-Bade (Yobe State)

Urhobo-Isoko

Kanuri- Manga

They are not exactly the same.
There was never a time Itsekiri identified as Yoruba in the past, they have always been a distinct ethnic group. Likewise Urhobo and Isoko.

A better illustration would have been Ijebu -Yorubas, Urhobo-Okpe, Idoma-Igede.

And no! The average Ikwerre man exhibit a deep seated loathe and hostility towards the Igbo, yet they want to be Igbo when it's expedient, that has to stop. Everyone has to bear their father's surname. Every single Ikwerre has to be Ikwerre and remain Ikwerre forever, at no point should they be admitted into Igbo gatherings as Igbos or allowed to claim to be Igbos in public, such claims should be met with severe warnings and hostility from Ndiigbo to such Ikwerre person or group. That's how we restore sanity.

Make everyone dey their dey.

oyatz:
Excuse me sir,

Ethnic group is SELF IDENTITY and it's largely by choice.


There are many people who now accept the Hausa ethnic tag but were not originally Hausas. The same goes for Yoruba and Igbo ethnic groups.

They were classifications done by the British colonial Masters to group tribes/clans which the BRITISH considered similar as one ethnic group.

Those who accept these tags (e.g the Ngwa, AroChukwus, Nzam) and remain loyal to the group are counted as parts of the groups but those who want to opt out are not necessarily bad but different people (e.g Isoko, Itshekiri, Ikwerres etc)


I have met some people who speak Yoruba fluently, eat Yoruba food and practice Yoruba culture, who I also assumed to be Yorubas but once told they are not Yoruba but independent minority groups in Northern parts of Kwara and some parts of Edo State.

Itsekiri is not and was never a sub group of the Yoruba.
What exactly are you on about?

Dedetwo:




b]Igbo [/b]
Obigbo
Ogba–Egbema–Ndoni
Etche
Omuma
Eleme

Ikwere People
Port Harcourt (local government area)
Obio-Akpor
Emohua

Opobo People Igbo
Opobo–Nkoro
Bonny, Rivers

Ekpeye people Ekpeye aka Akpa ohia (Akpa offia) Igbo
Ahoada East
Ahoada West

Ogbia people
Abua–Odual


Kalabari People
Degema, Rivers
Akuku-Toru
Asari-Toru
Okrika


Ogoni People
Gokana,
Khana,
Tai


Sub groups
Andoni
Ogu–Bolo


Etche
Omuma
Eleme are Igbo

Ogbia have been declared by Ijo as not core Ijo. The people of Ogbia also stated they are not Ijo.
Ogbia has ancestral heritage with Ekpeye.

Eleme has never sought independence from Ogoni because Eleme is not and has never being Ogoni. The actual name of Eleme will surprise many people including those who claim Eleme. There were after war shenanigans which left shame on certain people from entire Rivers State.

Nwanne, I understand you are a Biafran war veteran and look at these issues from pre 1970 perspective.
Mana nwanne, things have since changed in these communities since after the war.

Etche and Omuma presently don't identify as Igbo, likewise Ekpeye, Opobo and Bonny.

When I was in Eleme, when I listened to them speak, I felt like there is Igbo somehow mixed in their language, Eben though I couldn't understand a thing.
I'm surprised about your Eleme assertion, linguists classify their language as Ogoni dialect, so I think they are originally Ogoni people who mixed with Igbos and Ijaws.

Are you sure about Ogbia? Their language is not related by any means to Ekpeye language. Unless you are talking about Ogbia being related to the Engenni who share Ahoada West LGA with Ekpeyes.

A lot have changed in the defunct Eastern region, and after 50years of living in the past, I personally feel it's time Ndiigbo embraced the current reality and cut ties with those groups who no longer wish to identify with us. We cut the ties and make sure no one from those groups can at any point or instance be allowed to identify as Igbo.
Then we relate with them like we relate with the rest of Nigeria.

What do you think, nnekwu mmadu?

pazienza:


Nwanne, I understand you are a Biafran war veteran and look at these issues from pre 1970 perspective.
Mana nwanne, things have since changed in these communities since after the war.

Etche and Omuma presently don't identify as Igbo, likewise Ekpeye, Opobo and Bonny.

When I was in Eleme, when I listened to them speak, I felt like there is Igbo somehow mixed in their language, Eben though I couldn't understand a thing.
I'm surprised about your Eleme assertion, linguists classify their language as Ogoni dialect, so I think they are originally Ogoni people who mixed with Igbos and Ijaws.

Are you sure about Ogbia? Their language is not related by any means to Ekpeye language. Unless you are talking about Ogbia being related to the Engenni who share Ahoada West LGA with Ekpeyes.

A lot have changed in the defunct Eastern region, and after 50years of living in the past, I personally feel it's time Ndiigbo embraced the current reality and cut ties with those groups who no longer wish to identify with us. We cut the ties and make sure no one from those groups can at any point or instance be allowed to identify as Igbo.
Then we relate with them like we relate with the rest of Nigeria.

What do you think, nnekwu mmadu?

Defeatist attitude!


Wen was the last time Igbo acknowledge Bonny and Opobo as Igbo speaking people and invited them to Ohanaeze Ndiigbo?


Did u invite them and they turn you down?


The problem is Igbo expect everything on a platter of gold and shying away from contending with those who contend with them.


U have to give consideration to other opinions here that are slightly advocating for another approach to that which u propose.

pazienza:


The Obi of Onitsha and all official Onitsha groups represent as Igbos.
Stop comparing apples and oranges here.

You should know there is a tacit policy among Igbo neigbours that that makes Igbo denial a pre requisite for fair and peaceful coexistence with them. These our neigbours love everything about Igbo but they hate the unique sense of "exclusivism" and unity which comes with the Igbo identity. This makes it impossible for them to relate with Igbos as equals except they put their immediate Igbo neighbours under pressure to disconnect from the Igbo fold(Igbophobia). This is why urhobo is more comfortable if Ikaman says He is not Igbo, Ijaw and ogoni feel threatened when any ikwerre person says he is Igbo. For a British backed Fulani government that wants to fully control the resources of the area, this attitude of the minority present a perfect opportunity. They have structured states in south south in such a way that will encourage this Igbophobia, making it even more difficult for an Igbo in those places to identify as one. imagine Edwin Clark telling odili he is from Anambra and not from rivers and can't take south south slot but same Clark, with saro wiwa, encouraged Ikwere to disconnect from the Igbo fold and join rivers state. I guess wike is slowly realizing that.

As for your. Onitsha claims, we go by your definition then I'll not be wrong to say you're confused. Onitsha represent as you said cos they are in Anambra. A lot of Onitsha people also say nwa onyigbo, except they have changed, they won't behave differently if they found themselves in ikwerre position in 1967, a lot of oguta people too. Generally people who are considered lazy will have this inferiority complex. They exhibit resentment towards more competitive people and wouldn't mind denying them when given the opportunity. But then, if you exclude industrious people in your land, it won't develop. The reason they were able to take economic control of your land is the same reason you won't succeed if you chase them from your land. The only way out is work hard and develop your land or leave more gifted entrepreneurs to operate in peace.

My point is inferiority already exists among our neighbours, British backed Fulani regime exploited it by creating political structures which encouraged it, thereby dividing the entire region for political gain- an action no one in the area benefit from.

The only way to unite our people is to dismantle the Fulani political structure in the eastern region, create a better organized one as KANU propose.

Ranting against SS Igbo's as you're doing will do you no good. You'll end up cutting you nose just to spite your face.

Armaggedon:
You should know there is a tacit policy among Igbo neigbours that that makes Igbo denial a pre requisite for fair and peaceful coexistence with them. These our neigbours love everything about Igbo but they hate the unique sense of "exclusivism" and unity which comes with the Igbo identity. This makes it impossible for them to relate with Igbos as equals except they put their immediate Igbo neighbours under pressure to disconnect from the Igbo fold(Igbophobia). This is why urhobo is more comfortable if Ikaman says He is not Igbo, Ijaw and ogoni feel threatened when any ikwerre person says he is Igbo. For a British backed Fulani government that wants to fully control the resources of the area, this attitude of the minority present a perfect opportunity. They have structured states in south south in such a way that will encourage this Igbophobia, making it even more difficult for an Igbo in those places to identify as one. imagine Edwin Clark telling odili he is from Anambra and not from rivers and can't take south south slot but same Clark, with saro wiwa, encouraged Ikwere to disconnect from the Igbo fold and join rivers state. I guess wike is slowly realizing that.

As for your. Onitsha claims, we go by your definition then I'll not be wrong to say you're confused. Onitsha represent as you said cos they are in Anambra. A lot of Onitsha people also say nwa onyigbo, except they have changed, they won't behave differently if they found themselves in ikwerre position in 1967, a lot of oguta people too. Generally people who are considered lazy will have this inferiority complex. They exhibit resentment towards more competitive people and wouldn't mind denying them when given the opportunity. But then, if you exclude industrious people in your land, it won't develop. The reason they were able to take economic control of your land is the same reason you won't succeed if you chase them from your land. The only way out is work hard and develop your land or leave more gifted entrepreneurs to operate in peace.

My point is inferiority already exists among our neighbours, British backed Fulani regime exploited it by creating political structures which encouraged it, thereby dividing the entire region for political gain- an action no one in the area benefit from.

The only way to unite our people is to dismantle the Fulani political structure in the eastern region, create a better organized one as KANU propose.

Ranting against SS Igbo's as you're doing will do you no good. You'll end up cutting you nose just to spite your face.

Nna u are too brilliant and expressive.


I love the way u communicate.


U just hit the nail on the head, with the hammer.

hammer0:



Defeatist attitude!


Wen was the last time Igbo acknowledge Bonny and Opobo as Igbo speaking people and invited them to Ohanaeze Ndiigbo?


The problem is Igbo expect everything on a platter of gold and shying away from contending with those who contend with them.


U have to give consideration to other opinions here that are slightly advocating for another approach to that which u propose.

Have you been to Opobo or Bonny before? Tell me the truth.
I don't like it when some of us stay in chair and start making assertions?

How can Ohaneze Ndiigbo send invitation to a people who self identify as Ijaw and play prominent roles in Ijaw National Council?

I seriously don't understand why some of us reason this way.

pazienza:


Have you been to Opobo or Bonny before? Tell me the truth.
I don't like it when some of us stay in chair and start making assertions?

How can Ohaneze Ndiigbo send invitation to a people who self identify as Ijaw and play prominent roles in Ijaw National Council?

I seriously don't understand why some of us reason this way.

I am a new generation, i cannot be afraid of people i have their history book on my table.

If they want to play that game, i will beat them silly.

Our fathers use to plan and were tactical/strategic but i dont know wat happened to the post war generation.

Everything is fear and emotion.

Rivers in my mind is an Igboid state and nothing can change dat.

Any challenge is welcomed and we will face it head on.

Armaggedon:
You should know there is a tacit policy among Igbo neigbours that that makes Igbo denial a pre requisite for fair and peaceful coexistence with them. These our neigbours love everything about Igbo but they hate the unique sense of "exclusivism" and unity which comes with the Igbo identity. This makes it impossible for them to relate with Igbos as equals except they put their immediate Igbo neighbours under pressure to disconnect from the Igbo fold(Igbophobia). This is why urhobo is more comfortable if Ikaman says He is not Igbo, Ijaw and ogoni feel threatened when any ikwerre person says he is Igbo. For a British backed Fulani government that wants to fully control the resources of the area, this attitude of the minority present a perfect opportunity. They have structured states in south south in such a way that will encourage this Igbophobia, making it even more difficult for an Igbo in those places to identify as one. imagine Edwin Clark telling odili he is from Anambra and not from rivers and can't take south south slot but same Clark, with saro wiwa, encouraged Ikwere to disconnect from the Igbo fold and join rivers state. I guess wike is slowly realizing that.

As for your. Onitsha claims, we go by your definition then I'll not be wrong to say you're confused. Onitsha represent as you said cos they are in Anambra. A lot of Onitsha people also say nwa onyigbo, except they have changed, they won't behave differently if they found themselves in ikwerre position in 1967, a lot of oguta people too. Generally people who are considered lazy will have this inferiority complex. They exhibit resentment towards more competitive people and wouldn't mind denying them when given the opportunity. But then, if you exclude industrious people in your land, it won't develop. The reason they were able to take economic control of your land is the same reason you won't succeed if you chase them from your land. The only way out is work hard and develop your land or leave more gifted entrepreneurs to operate in peace.

My point is inferiority already exists among our neighbours, British backed Fulani regime exploited it by creating political structures which encouraged it, thereby dividing the entire region for political gain- an action no one in the area benefit from.


The only way to unite our people is to dismantle the Fulani political structure in the eastern region, create a better organized one as KANU propose.

Ranting against SS Igbo's as you're doing will do you no good. You'll end up cutting you nose just to spite your face.

I have seen this your narrative before, whereby you try to make the Igboids victims and their non Igbo neighbors the devils who are to be blamed for the Igboids Igbophobia.
That perspective is old and a laughable one. There is simply no justification for their behavior.
They are no victims like you would want to point out. The Ikwerre for instance have been the masters of Rivers state since 1999 and could be anything they like, but they chose to be Igbophobic.
The Igbophobia of Ikwerre is exactly why Oyiigbo indigenes are currently considering breaking out from Igbo ethnic group, if only to see whether the Ikwerre controlled Rivers state government would stop neglecting the place and show them some love.

On the bold. Keep deceiving yourself. Keeping living in the past, and see where that gets us. There is no Eastern region, it stopped existing since 50yrs ago, what we have now is SE, and if we can smell the coffee and get our priorities right, SE have all we need to succeed.

Wike that named A public edifice in Rivers state after Gowon recently, while cajoling Ndiigbo indirectly during the ceremony, is not a Fulani man, he is an Ikwerre man.
The average Ikwerre man sees the Fulani man as a messiah who saved them from the crutches of a big wolf devouring them, called the Igbo man-go figure.
Don't embrace reality, keep living in fools paradise, keep making excuses for these lots, keep defending the indefensible, keep getting stuck in 1970, and see where that will get us in the future.

hammer0:



I am a new generation, i cannot be afraid of people i have their history book on my table.

If they want to play that game, i will beat them silly.

Our fathers use to plan and were tactical/strategic but i dont know wat happened to the post war generation.

Everything is fear and emotion.

Rivers in my mind is an Igboid state and nothing can change dat.

Any challenge is welcomed and we will face it head on.

What history book are you talking about? Are you listening to yourself? So you force a people who don't want to identify with you to be with you by force?
What sort of shameless Unity begging is this?

You speak of fear and emotion, yet the bold is nothing short of delusional , and blatant fear of dealing with reality. You would rather embrace wishes than come in terms with the reality.

Jisi ike.

Warnings

Argue who is whatever but you need to stop revising history. Ikwerre were not instigators of the abandoned property saga. At the creation of Rivers in '67 Ikwerre were not a dominant force. The Ijoid groups held sway in the new Rivers State and with the support of federal forces snatched properties from their owners. Very lazy bunch. The Ijoid people lay the foundation for the thriving anti-Igbo sentiment in the state and to get a hold of power in the State the Igboid groups started playing the same game.

I think it's a huge error to always pull out that abandoned property card against the Ikwerre who couldn't have been actors in it. They lost the war too along with the rest of the Igbo.


It's just today a lot of them are wallowing in ignorance and selfloathing.

SlayerForever:
Argue who is whatever but you need to stop revising history. Ikwerre were not instigators of the abandoned property saga. At the creation of Rivers in '67 Ikwerre were not a dominant force. The Ijoid groups held sway in the new Rivers State and with the support of federal forces snatched properties from their owners. Very lazy bunch. The Ijoid people lay the foundation for the thriving anti-Igbo sentiment in the state and to get a hold of power in the State the Igboid groups started playing the same game.

Pazienza nwanne m, u need to listen for once.


U are right but others are also right too.


SlayerForever, u nailed it.