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|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by SlayerForever: 8:54pm On Mar 26|
Lol. Very blunt o.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by SlayerForever: 8:59pm On Mar 26|
Akan is the name of their ethnicity. There are truths such that there are some similar words in both languages. And also the language structure is very similar. But the similarities to the best of my knowledge end with the language. No much similarities in culture, for example they are matriarchal society.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by SlayerForever: 9:02pm On Mar 26|
Chai LWKMD . De dey burst my head.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by hammer0: 9:07pm On Mar 26|
Wow, i actually dismissed this and could not wait to leave, wen he was saying it.
This is deep, so it is not just the Ashanti, it is the Akan.
I also had one barber that said something about the back of Igbo people head look like the Ghanians, flat. He was from Bini or Edo.
I guess coincidence are actually a clue for the clueless.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by oyatz(m): 9:12pm On Mar 26|
You don't understand my point.
1) Different ethnic groups can (indeed do) coalesce into one bigger ethnic.
This was how Igbo, Yoruba, Nupe ,Fulani emerged in the first instance.
2) 400 years ago, there were no Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo or Ijaw ethnic groups as we know them today and in 400 years time, many tribes would have been assimilated into a larger pan ethnic one.
This was the same way the Biblical Amalekites, the Hittites and the Jebusites were absorbed into the emerging Israelites and the Amonites, Moabites, Edomites and the Ishmaelites all coalesced into the Arab pan ethnic group.
3) My post is NOT whether Nigeria is working or not.
It's NOT about whether we should continue as Nigeria or disintegrate.
#Personally, I am of the opinion that unity can NOT be enforced. Those who don't want to be part of Nigeria should be allowed to leave.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by SlayerForever: 9:27pm On Mar 26|
Ashanti are Akan people. Like Owere is to Igbo.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by hammer0: 9:37pm On Mar 26|
It is interesting how some people are walking around with ancient knowledge that only God should know.
I dont know wat am suppose to do with wat he was saying though.
The guy sound like one that too enjoy Nigeria and had a great time with Ifeanyi Ubah and Ekweremadu families.
He said, Asante behave like Igbos, wen dey get money the first thing they do is build house.
He said something about tieing wrapper like the Asante.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by SlayerForever: 9:56pm On Mar 26|
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by hammer0: 10:00pm On Mar 26|
He had a deep seated knowledge of Ndiigbo, like one who studied Igbo.
He knew all our names and even told me my name was unisex for boy and girl.
Everything he was saying appeared accurate.
It scared me abit, to be honest.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by Dedetwo(m): 11:59pm On Mar 26|
Nwannem, there is nothing Igbo in Ogoni language. It is good to know you "Felt like there is Igbo somehow mixed in their language" while you stayed Eleme. I guess people whose names are Nkechi, Nwosu, Odungwere, Nwogu, Okparaji etc cannot be identified as Ogoni.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by fallout87: 12:04am On Mar 27|
You people have mental problems.
This tribal nonsense is why you remain backward and poor.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by Dedetwo(m): 12:10am On Mar 27|
There was one Chief Obomanu from Bonny (Ubani) who told every ear willing to listen that he was Igbo. Anybody who waited to be invited by Ohanaeze so as to become Igbo is ancestrally not an Igbo person. They have make it a bold step to join an organization which represents their ancestral foothold in the shithole called Nigeria. If I remembered correctly, the founding fathers of Ohanaeze include an Ikwerre man and Omoku dude whom I knew from childhood.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by Dedetwo(m): 12:24am On Mar 27|
You have excellently captured the conflict of the ongoing debate in a nutshell. The Igbo phobia seen in southern Nigeria was planted by the British colonial masters. It was even extended to southern Cameroon. When NDC and COR were in vogue, the so-called minorities did tell anyone that they were losing election to fellow village folks and not to Igbo.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by ChinenyeN(m): 12:28am On Mar 27|
There is definitely hatred there. Let us not kid ourselves. Even I have had my own encounters years back with Ikwerre treating me with vitriol, even though they came from the Obio stock and were aware of Obio's Ngwa affinity. I can tell you, Ikwerre are generally aggressive when anything "Igbo" surfaces.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by eagleu: 12:36am On Mar 27|
Your exam with Ebonyi people is wrong, because they speak a variation or a dialect of Igbo. You can not honestly say that they don't speak Igbo.
Unlike Ikwerre man whose father, grandfather, and great grandfather spoke Igbo, other ethnic minorities in the former eastern Nigeria might have spoken Igbo as a condition of their citizenship of belonging to the region, the same way many minorities of the north spoke Hausa.
However, they always have a mother tongue spoken by their grandparents before the creation of the region's.
So, when revisionists weave the baseless argument that language is not a major defining qualification for a tribe, educated people know better.
Ikwerre man whose forebears spoke Igbo can't compare his lineage with say an Ijaw or Efik man whose parents spoke Igbo as a member of eastern Nigeria.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by eagleu: 12:39am On Mar 27|
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by ChinenyeN(m): 12:40am On Mar 27|
This is not true at all. Prior to the war, most people were indifferent about the "Igbo" tag. It was primarily only literature writers, linguists, academics and the devout Christians who were mostly involved with using the term to within their circles. The war drew a concrete line in the sand and forced people to choose sides. We are living that consequence right now. You are either one side or the other. That is what happened. There's no such thing as "deniers" when it comes to this.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by ChinenyeN(m): 12:44am On Mar 27|
Simple and straightforward. This is the reality here.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by Dedetwo(m): 12:49am On Mar 27|
Where you born prior to the war or your assertion is based on third hand information?
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by ChinenyeN(m): 12:57am On Mar 27|
Dedetwo:This is a useless question, Dede, and amaala m la ị maala ẹ.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by Dedetwo(m): 1:09am On Mar 27|
Chi, I had been resourcefully informed that no question is useless in Igbo land including Ngwa. You made a statement of fact. In fact, you did not allege hence my question.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by ChinenyeN(m): 1:23am On Mar 27|
Dede, let us be candid with each other, l'agbalam ma ra gh' lam gbuo waa. You know that question was disingenuous. Don't act like the owhnoghowhno here on NL who ask disingenuous questions. We all know you are better than that.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by eagleu: 2:04am On Mar 27|
There's nothing like "indifferent " to the question of being Igbo or not. Before the war:
Ogoni people identified themselves as Ogoni, though they spoke Igbo.
Ijaw people, the same.
Efik people the same.
Ikwerre people who still have relatives in many Igbo towns, identified as Igbos before the war, simply began to deny, equivocate, and then purposefully began to confuse their younger ones about their origin, because Igbos lost the war, and the benefits of identifying as non Igbo suddenly outweighed the reverse. Even Ijaw people know that Ikwerres are simply playing a game.
Igbo b'Igbo is really what matters, not the maddening unreliable crowd out there.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by ChinenyeN(m): 2:44am On Mar 27|
Sigh. So you're one of the "Igbo bụ Igbo" types ehn nụ? Propaganda has been running strong with you all since the post-war aftermath. Being "Igbo" pre-war was simply because that is what the British said. We just continued about our business despite it. Hence, indifferent. However, being "Igbo" now is a consequence of the choices that were made during and after the war.
We are now choosing to actively draw a line and pick one side or the other (nonsensically). Origin has nothing to do with what side was picked, and (listen well), ORIGIN DOES NOT MATTER. Sentiment and self-determination is really what matters here and that is what won out in the end. So quit this waste of a mantra that you call "Igbo bụ Igbo", and leave those who found themselves on the other side of the line alone.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by selemempe: 4:10am On Mar 27|
ChinenyeN:you may well be right in all you have said...but you are damn wrong in the bolded
Nations are not created by weak-minded people who do the bolded.
Do what you want and leave us who are interested in building an igbo nation to do what we want.
There is something I want to tell pazienza....at first I wanted to take his advice and forget ikwere until I had a reawakening (story for another day). While you are sitting on your computer (probably in Lagos or outside igboland) asking Igbos to forget ikwere, some ikwere people and some igbos are on ground attending unity meetings and releasing works of art that put Igbo on the map.
In China, many people are of the opinion that China should forget Taiwan, but the very intelligent people who have been running china since the 70s know that that would be a grave error.
Notice how it's igbos such as yourself and pazienza who carry the 'ikwerre are not igbo' matter on head in this thread? Have you seen the post of an Ikwere yet? You think some of them haven't seen this thread?
Again do what you want...we will do what we want
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by eagleu: 4:11am On Mar 27|
I do understand sentiment, self-determination, and even self preservation. You don't have to do it by distorting history--- that's cheap, deceitful, and outrageously wrong!
You can blame the British for caving PH, and Ikwerre people under Owerri province, but you shouldn't blame anybody for making 1900 to 1960 Ikwerres declare themselves Igbos in various easily traceable documents all over the eastern region.
Ikwerre ethnic propaganda, like all historical accounts of betrayal and sabotage show that Ikwerre woke up after the war to change their ethnicity to Bini, as a way to regain lands previously sold to Igbos in PH, steal Igbo properties as abandoned property, and look good in the eyes of Igbo oppressors.
That's ok, that's self preservation, but how long will psuedo educated Elechis, and Orijis if this World advance untenable theory to justify their sabotage of Igbos during and after the war?
Just like Ikwerre people have a need for self determination, Igbos too have a need to focus on those who are Igbos, want to be Igbos, and proud to be Igbo! That's why Igbo b'Igbo is what matters.
When things change again, and Ikwerre people produce yet another theory of their ethnicity, Igbos who are Igbos will still be watching them.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by vale20: 4:58am On Mar 27|
Ikwere claiming that they are not IGBO is because oil so that other ethnic groups in Rivers state can accept them, if Nigeria divides and they join these ethnic groups in rivers, they will be treated as parasites and would be told what they are period. Eiyaa ! I doubt if there is future in oil.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by ChinenyeN(m): 5:42am On Mar 27|
It is one thing if you find what they call stragglers; random, sporadic examples of what you are looking for. These random, sporadic examples of Ikwerre who attend your "unity meetings" are stragglers. Believe in your stragglers, but know this. It is one think to be pleasantly surprised by stragglers, and it is another to act as though said stragglers are representative of your target population. The latter is foolhardy. That is the only thing Pazienza and I are saying.
I will now add my own on top of that.
It is an utter waste of time and resources to attempt to conscript an entire population who want nothing to do with you.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by selemempe: 5:55am On Mar 27|
ChinenyeN:It is not an utter waste of time...and for one it is my time not yours.
Those 'stragglers' have done more than you through arts, music, books and politics to put Igbo (not ikwere) on the map. You on the other hand have done more than them to fragment Igbo and have done nothing to put Igbo on any map. The only time I ever see this your moniker on nairaland is on these types of topics. Why?
You see why I and many igbos will take our chances with those 'stragglers' more than with you?
I say again, the history of every nation on earth is the history of forcing unwilling people to come together. And that includes even very tiny island nations! Many nations formed like that a few centuries ago have all gone to become very successful and proud nations.
We have dreams of a nation for Igbo speakers...we will keep pushing that dream. You and pazienza are not doing anything new by saying ikwere are not igbo. That is already the current status quo...it is us who are pushing into new territory, converting ikwere people one 'straggler' after the other
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|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by ChinenyeN(m): 5:56am On Mar 27|
You are not versed in Ikwerre history so I will not go back and forth with you on the [de]merits of their position. The ultimate thing I need you to understand is this: Upon all the talk that you Igbo people have been doing. Upon all the shouting that you Igbo people have been shouting. Upon all the arguments you Igbo people have been making. Upon all the mgbali you people gbalila, we now live in a reality where Ikwerre undeniably distinct. Whatever lies they tell is ultimately unimportant. They could even start telling the obvious truth now, but it would make no difference. Ikwerre succeeded in not having its identity submerged and stifled within the umbrella of "Igbo".
Any argument, any statement, and plea that provided on the basis of origin, reauthored oral traditions and name changes means absolutely nothing in the face of one simple reality. The Ikwerre succeeded. The fact that we are even having this conversation now is evidence of such success. This conversation is AFTER THE FACT, proving the nigh futility of anything Igbo nationalists have to say.
I too believe that you do not have to reauthor history for the sake of self-determination [ana m ekwuru ụnụ, ndị "Igbo bụ Otu"]. However, at this point right now, we are clearly discussing something that has already happened. The how's and the why's are not as important as the reality of what faces us now, being that Ikwerre succeeded, and that is really all that matters.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by ChinenyeN(m): 6:02am On Mar 27|
You do not know me. So don't presume anything about what I have and have not done.
Now, with that out of the way, I will tell you this. Consider my words and Pazienza's words as just simple advice. Heed them or don't. It is up to you. After all, a na-ekwu sị "biri ka m biri". I believe your dreams are foolhardy and an ultimate waste, but in the end, your chi will decide with you whether or not you wasted your time. Though, I believe your time could be better spent on other things, if your sole purpose is simply to provide more contributions to arts, music, etc., rather than depending on imports from a community that doesn't even want you. That's all. Carry on with your dream.
|Re: I Didnt Know Gov Nyesom Wike Is Of Igbo Descent by selemempe: 6:17am On Mar 27|
ChinenyeN:exactly I don't know you...but I know Duncan mighty, Monalisa Chinda, etc...they are proud of their igbo heritage.
I have not wasted my time anymore than you and pazienza have. I have not been involved in these arguments as much as both of you. I met both your Monikas in threads arguing this! Sad!
You waste your time trying to reinforce an already existing status quo that doesn't favour you or your ethnicity! Sad sad! And unintelligent even! You are mad that an Ikwere man insulted you and called you a backward Ibo! Lol! Now you are emotional and have sworn that you will spend your time on nairaland 'advicing' Igbos to flee from ikwere...lol. do you know how many whites died trying to create Canada, Americas and Australia? You think your emotions create nations? You think your biri Ka mbiri attitude create nations?
Now listen to my own advice, don't spend your time reinforcing an existing status quo, that is what will be a waste of your time... because for one that status quo has already been created...if you really want to use your time well, create something new! For now ikwere are not igbo...but we say ikwere are igbos... chikina it will pain a few people, that's part of what we intend to achieve
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