SlayerForever:
I think it's a huge error to always pull out that abandoned property card against the Ikwerre who couldn't have been actors in it. They lost the war too along with the rest of the Igbo.


It's just today a lot of them are wallowing in ignorance and selfloathing.

Bonesking:
Final warning

pazienza:


I have seen this your narrative before, whereby you try to make the Igboids victims and their non Igbo neighbors the devils who are to be blamed for the Igboids Igbophobia.
That perspective is old and a laughable one. There is simply no justification for their behavior.
They are no victims like you would want to point out.

hammer0:
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A yoruba man hav no business here.

Armaggedon:
You are the one trying to create a one-sided narrative. I never made them victims. I already stated they are selfish and lazy opportunists. But you find such people in every group however closely knitted the group is and, the division wouldn't manifest until it meets the rare combination of an I gbophobia national policy and igbophobic Igbo neighbours.

why won't they deny Igbo when they reap the funny priviledge of being Igbo's and the privilege of not being Igbo's at the same time. The south east Igbo's are always there to suffer for them as "shock absorbers". That is how Fulani system made it. it benefits no one. It has to be dismantled so the region can prosper. you can't achieve it by what you're doing now.

pazienza:


I have seen this your narrative before, whereby you try to make the Igboids victims and their non Igbo neighbors the devils who are to be blamed for the Igboids Igbophobia.
That perspective is old and a laughable one. There is simply no justification for their behavior.
They are no victims like you would want to point out. The Ikwerre for instance have been the masters of Rivers state since 1999 and could be anything they like, but they chose to be Igbophobic.
The Igbophobia of Ikwerre is exactly why Oyiigbo indigenes are currently considering breaking out from Igbo ethnic group, if only to see whether the Ikwerre controlled Rivers state government would stop neglecting the place and show them some love.

On the bold. Keep deceiving yourself. Keeping living in the past, and see where that gets us. There is no Eastern region, it stopped existing since 50yrs ago, what we have now is SE, and if we can smell the coffee and get our priorities right, SE have all we need to succeed.

Wike that named A public edifice in Rivers state after Gowon recently, while cajoling Ndiigbo indirectly during the ceremony, is not a Fulani man, he is an Ikwerre man.
The average Ikwerre man sees the Fulani man as a messiah who saved them from the crutches of a big wolf devouring them, called the Igbo man-go figure.
Don't embrace reality, keep living in fools paradise, keep making excuses for these lots, keep defending the indefensible, keep getting stuck in 1970, and see where that will get us in the future.

Armaggedon:
what is your own solution to the problem?

Armaggedon:
You are the one trying to create a one-sided narrative. I never made them victims. I already stated they are selfish and lazy opportunists. But you find such people in every group however closely knitted the group is and, the division wouldn't manifest until it meets the rare combination of an I gbophobia national policy and igbophobic Igbo neighbours

The south east Igbo's are always there to suffer for them as "shock absorbers". That is how Fulani system made it. it benefits no one..

It has to be dismantled so the region can prosper. you can't achieve it by what you're doing now.

pazienza:



They are not exactly the same.
There was never a time Itsekiri identified as Yoruba in the past, they have always been a distinct ethnic group. Likewise Urhobo and Isoko.

A better illustration would have been Ijebu -Yorubas, Urhobo-Okpe, Idoma-Igede.

And no! The average Ikwerre man exhibit a deep seated loathe and hostility towards the Igbo, yet they want to be Igbo when it's expedient, that has to stop. Everyone has to bear their father's surname. Every single Ikwerre has to be Ikwerre and remain Ikwerre forever, at no point should they be admitted into Igbo gatherings as Igbos or allowed to claim to be Igbos in public, such claims should be met with severe warnings and hostility from Ndiigbo to such Ikwerre person or group. That's how we restore sanity.

Make everyone dey their dey.

oyatz:
You are still making the same mistake.



1) You can NOT determine who is an Igbo and who shouldn't be Igbo.


Igbos are those who accept to be Igbos (irregardless of their ancestries or historical extistence).

Non-Igbos are those who refuse to embrace the Igbo tag.

Every group decide where they want to belong.

2) Ethnic groups are NOT constant, they change with TIME.


Yorubas, Hausa and Igbos as we know them today are created by the BRITISH colonial Masters who categorized tribes/clan that they (the British) think are similar in ancestries, culture or already under common political authorities /influence (e.g The Oyo Empire and the Sokoto Caliphate).

Any group that like the category can stay and stick to it. Those who aren't comfortable with it can opt out.

SlayerForever:
Argue who is whatever but you need to stop revising history. Ikwerre were not instigators of the abandoned property saga. At the creation of Rivers in '67 Ikwerre were not a dominant force. The Ijoid groups held sway in the new Rivers State and with the support of federal forces snatched properties from their owners. Very lazy bunch. The Ijoid people lay the foundation for the thriving anti-Igbo sentiment in the state and to get a hold of power in the State the Igboid groups started playing the same game.

oyatz:
You are still making the same mistake.



1) You can NOT determine who is an Igbo and who shouldn't be Igbo.


Igbos are those who accept to be Igbos (irregardless of their ancestries or historical extistence).

Non-Igbos are those who refuse to embrace the Igbo tag.

Every group decide where they want to belong.

2) Ethnic groups are NOT constant, they change with TIME.


Yorubas, Hausa and Igbos as we know them today are created by the BRITISH colonial Masters who categorized tribes/clan that they (the British) think are similar in ancestries, culture or already under common political authorities /influence (e.g The Oyo Empire and the Sokoto Caliphate).

Any group that like the category can stay and stick to it. Those who aren't comfortable with it can opt out.

hammer0:



Pazienza nwanne m, u need to listen for once.


U are right but others are also right too.


SlayerForeve, u nailed it.

pazienza:


The Ikwerre were active collaborators to the Ijaws, go and ask well. A good number of Ikwerre people benefited from that policy, and they were happy with the whole event.

Stop painting the Ijaws as villains. They didn't do anything that Ikwerres were not in support of.
It was some Ikwerres sons who led the FG forces to capture Biafran soldiers, Oriji played active role, likewise Elechi Amadi.
It was Ikwerres who requested to be part of Rivers state with Ijaws right after the war, Oriji led that agitation too.

We can't continue living in delusions, no group ever progressed by lying to themselves. It's 50yrs since after the war already.
The Igboids were active partners to the Ijaws, it was a partnership built on Igbophobia that was always going to collapse once the Igbos were out of the picture.

I don't know who did this thing to Ndiigbo. But I'm going to try to jolt us back to our senses.

oyatz:
There is no need for the insult.


1) Ethnic groups are for identications.


2) We can all dissolve into one super-ethnic group- Nigerians.

It's not compulsory that we must retain the name, we can chose any name we like (e.g Wazobia).

3) Today, the Anglos, Saxons,Vandals, Franks, Romans and Celts in the British Isles have dissolved and re-emerged simply as






The British people.

pazienza:


The Ikwerre were active collaborators to the Ijaws, go and ask well. A good number of Ikwerre people benefited from that policy, and they were happy with the whole event.

Stop painting the Ijaws as villains. They didn't do anything that Ikwerres were not in support of.
It was some Ikwerres sons who led the FG forces to capture Biafran soldiers, Oriji played active role, likewise Elechi Amadi.
It was Ikwerres who requested to be part of Rivers state with Ijaws right after the war, Oriji led that agitation too.

We can't continue living in delusions, no group ever progressed by lying to themselves. It's 50yrs since after the war already.
The Igboids were active partners to the Ijaws, it was a partnership built on Igbophobia that was always going to collapse once the Igbos were out of the picture.

I don't know who did this thing to Ndiigbo. But I'm going to try to jolt us back to our senses.

pazienza:


At the bold. And what do you think I have been trying to do?
We allowed them to enjoy playing the game, by keeping the door of Igbohood open to them.
So they can cunningly come in at their volition and claim Igbo when conditions are right, and also sneak out to claim non Igbo when conditions are not favorable.

Common sense dictates that we deal with them first and foremost, before we start talking about Hausa-Fulanis. Hausa-Fulanis would not be playing the game without Ikwerre and their co travellers co-operation.

How we deal with them is to make the Igbo ethnicity a tight one, by ensuring that there would be no place for Ikwerres within the Igbo ethnic nationality. We simply ban Ikwerre sons from taking part in Igbo gatherings, we send any of them in our midst back to Ogbakor Ikwerre, and we send strong warnings through print media and social media to any opportunist Ikwerre that ever tries to claim Igbo, like Amaechi once did. We make it a point of duty to imprint on the mind of all Ikwerres that they will no longer be accepted in Igbo gatherings and they will no longer be allowed to claim Igbo at any point in time.

It's time we started looking out for ourselves. We will no longer be anyone or group "shock absorber".

hammer0:
I WONDER IF WE WILL BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, HAD IKWERE BEEN ADDED INTO IMO STATE, INSTEAD OF RIVERS STATE.


ANOTHER ONE IS UNFOLDING IN LAGOS, WHERE YORUBA ARE AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING MARRIAGE WITH IGBOS BY FIRE BY FORCE, I DONT KNOW WHETHER THE IGBOS WILL SAY THEY ARE SLEEPING.


THE RESULT WILL SOON BE OUT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS TIME.


BLOOD MIXING WITH EVERY TOM, DICK AND HARRY.


THEY ARE NOW TREATING MARRIAGE LIKE THEIR INVESTMENT IN PLACES THEY ARE FOREIGNERS AND DEY CAN ASK THEM TO LEAVE ANYTIME.


NDI ARA!

oyatz:
What is happening in Lagos and to some extent in Kano are prototypes of what will happen in Nigeria in the next 150 years when most tribes would have merged into fewer super ethnic groups.

hammer0:
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This is the nonsense u wrote yesterday that wen i corrected u, u start calling mods like a two year old child.


Can u choose to be black?


Can u choose your family?


If the answer is know then ethnicity is non-negotiable.

hammer0:



PAZIENZA TAKE NOTE OF THE BOLDED.


I KNEW THEY WERE UP TO SOMETHING.


LEAVE KANO OUT OF THIS.


THIS IS A YORUBA AGENDA.

pazienza:


At the bold. And what do you think I have been trying to do?
We allowed them to enjoy playing the game, by keeping the door of Igbohood open to them.
So they can cunningly come in at their volition and claim Igbo when conditions are right, and also sneak out to claim non Igbo when conditions are not favorable.

Common sense dictates that we deal with them first and foremost, before we start talking about Hausa-Fulanis. Hausa-Fulanis would not be playing the game without Ikwerre and their co travellers co-operation.

How we deal with them is to make the Igbo ethnicity a tight one, by ensuring that there would be no place for Ikwerres and every other chameleonic unstable Igboid groups, within the Igbo ethnic nationality. We simply ban Ikwerre sons from taking part in Igbo gatherings, we send any of them in our midst back to Ogbakor Ikwerre, and we send strong warnings through print media and social media to any opportunist Ikwerre that ever tries to claim Igbo, like Amaechi once did. We make it a point of duty to imprint on the mind of all Ikwerres that they will no longer be accepted in Igbo gatherings and they will no longer be allowed to claim Igbo at any point in time. We become very stoic and aggressive, in denouncing any attempt by other Nigerians to label Ikwerre persons as Igbo.

It's time we started looking out for ourselves. We will no longer be anyone or group "shock absorber". Let everyone go bear their father's surname. The era of freeloading should be over.

hammerT:



This is wat the Ashanti man told me.


He appears to have worked for Ifeanyi Uba and Ekweremadu.


He knows dem and their family personally.


He said Asanti and Igbos share a common origin and were separated during migration from North Africa.



They are both children of Israel abi na Jews.


He said till this day both languages share similarities and Igbos look like Ashanti in physical appearance.


Some of the language similarities are; Bia or Bra, both come.


Echi or Echina both mean tomorrow.


He mentioned many more that i cannot remember and referenced to similarities in our names such as Nwosu and Owusu.

SlayerForever:




That's the Akan people of Ghana. I've observed interesting similarities too. But I'd opine these similarities existed before a Hebrew migration into the Igbo area.