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Even though, GOD is ONE, the Trinity has different roles to play within the Godhead.

The Father WILL and DECIDE what will BE
The Word (Son) SPEAKS/COMMANDS/BROADCAST the WILL of the Father
The Holy Spirit EXECUTE the Expressed Word of Command

shadeyinka:
The argument of 1x1x1=1 is weak, for it could as well be 1x1x1x1x1x1 and it will still be equal to 1.
The argument of the sun as heat, light and matter is weak for they are three different things.


The closest illustration of Trinity of God is the Trinity of Man.

MAN is:
A Body:
Which gives MAN his physical Identity in the physical world. With his body, he also interacts with the physical world. This body is what everyone know as YOU and it's correct.
A Soul:
Which gives MAN his Personal Identity within himself. With his Soul, he also interacts with the intellectual, emotional and and volition(will) realm. This Soul is what a Man knows as Me, Myself, I and this is also correct.
A Spirit:
Which gives MAN his Spiritual Identity in the Spirit world. With his Spirit, he also interacts with the spirit world. This Spirit is what God, Angels, Demons etc know as YOU and this is also correct.


Death: is just a disconnection or separation which occurs between the trinity of man
Physical Death:
Disconnection of the body from the Trinity of Man
Spiritual Death:
Disconnection of a man's spirit from God's Holy Spirit
Second Death:
Disconnection of man (body, soul and spirit) eternally from God

Please if you have any questions, please feel free!

Man of God you're welcome.
I don't have questions for now, I would like you to contribute what you know about the Trinity.

I am aware of the weak descriptions and it cause.
No human being (finite) will successfully describe the infinite God.

One of the reasons for the 1×1×1=1(The Almighty One)✓ is because some people have used 1+1+1=3godsx.

Even the example of the human beings having body, soul and spirit still have some error in the sense that
You see the human body remains inactive once the spirit is out.

3. Father/Son is Father:

*. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given... and his name shall be called THE EVERLASTING FATHER..."( i.e the Son)

*. John 14:8-9 "Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it suficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I (THE FATHER you are asking for) been so long with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?..."


Note that Jesus says clearly here that he is the Father Philip was asking about.

4. Father/Son is King or King of Kings:

Revelation 19:16 "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS..."( i.e the Son)

Malachi 1:14 "... for I am A GREAT KING, saith the LORD of hosts..."(i.e the Father).

5. Father/Son is Almighty:

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Man of God you're welcome.
I don't have questions for now, I would like you to contribute what you know about the Trinity.
I am aware of the weak descriptions and it cause.
No human being (finite) will successfully describe the infinite God.
One of the reasons for the 1×1×1=1(The Almighty One)✓ is because some people have used 1+1+1=3godsx.
Even the example of the human beings having body, soul and spirit still have some error in the sense that
Youn see the human body remains inactive

Thank you.
Of course the example of man being body, soul and spirit is only an approximation to explain the concept of trinity. It cannot be perfect. We can only comprehend what God has given us the grace to understand.

I do not understand what you mean by the bolded

Trinity means God is a triunity of persons, we humans or any other being are a mono person, it is just like representing a three dimensional object in two dimensions. People living in two dimensional word would have it difficult to relate with more than one dimensional entity because to understand a three dimensional object in one dimension such object would eventually be broken down into three objects in one dimension but in reality the three objects are only one object in three dimension.

God is a three perosns in one God but we as humans would think, oh it must be three God's because we only understand and can only relate with a single personality being infact anybody with more than one personality is either a sickness or a posssesion by another entity which is true because no other being is a multi person in one being but from the bible, the being called God exist in three distinct persons who are the father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.
The Father is the authority of God, the initiator of plans and purposes.

The word is the person who spoke the plans and purposes into reality in which it can be fulfilled, also He governs those things with the authority of God according to the father's design.

The Holy ghost fufills that which has be spoken and set by the Word, make the things subject to the authority of God aa it has being set by the father and spoken by the word..

The Angels were also created to execute that which is spoken and commmanded by God hence Angels are called ministry spirit and are equipped for that purpose according to their various functions.

The Father is Almighty God all his plans purposes and ways are all perfect and all encompassing. From him came the plan of creation and to save man through Jesus Christ and chosing the foolishness of the cross to found the wisdom of the wise even before the world began. His wisdom is infinite and all suficient.

The word is Almighty God, it takes Almighty to fulfill all the plans and purpose of the father, only Almighty God can do such feat. His fulfillment of the salvation plan of the father was impecable in every specification, a feat that no angel or man can achieve, only Almighty God himself.

The Holy ghost is Almighty God, only Almighty can bring to manifestation that which has being spoken in conplete perfection that God saw it as good (perfect), only Almighty God can bring the lost souls in to the reality of the salvation that Jesus worked for, enabled Jesus to do it and bring the reality of salvation to those that he saves.

solite3:
The Father is Almighty God all his plans purposes and ways are all perfect and all encompassing. From him came the plan of creation and to save man through Jesus Christ and chosing the foolishness of the cross to found the wisdom of the wise even before the world began. His wisdom is infinite and all suficient.

The word is Almighty God, it takes Almighty to fulfill all the plans and purpose of the father, only Almighty God can do such feat. His fulfillment of the salvation plan of the father was impecable in every specification, a feat that no angel or man can achieve, only Almighty God himself.

The Holy ghost is Almighty God, only Almighty can bring to manifestation that which has being spoken in conplete perfection that God saw it as good (perfect), only Almighty God can bring the lost souls in to the reality of the salvation that Jesus worked for, enabled Jesus to do it and bring the reality of salvation to those that he saves.

Solite3, thanks for your contribution, it's insightful. More understanding of His ways be given to you in Jesus name.

5.FATHER/SON IS ALMIGHTY:

* Rev.1:8 KJV:I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY. (i.e the Son)

* 2corinthians 6:18 "
KJV:And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith THE LORD ALMIGHTY." (i.e the Father)

6. Father/Son is LORD of Lords:

*. Psalms 136:3 "O give thanks to THE LORD OF LORDS: for his mercy endureth for ever." (i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 19:16 "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written,... LORD OF LORDS." (i.e the Son)

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Solite3, thanks for your contribution, it's insightful. More understanding of His ways be given to you in Jesus name.

Amen brother

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!" -
Romans 11:33

7. Father/Son is the Judge of the world


*. psalm96:12-13
KJV:Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice 13 before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall JUDGE THE WORLD with righteousness, and the people with his truth. (i.e the Father)

*. 2 Corinthians 5:10 "
KJV:For we must all appear before the JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (i.e the Son)

*. 2 Timothy 4:8 "
KJV:Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGE, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing." (i.e the Son)

Council of Nicaea headed by Emperor Constantine!

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Many people or religion groups have agreed that the true God is one.
The teaching about Trinity is no different.
I have taken my time to know what it is all about, and the following are my findings
1) Mathematically 1×1×1=1(the Almy One) i.e 1(one) increased by 1(one) and increased by another 1(one)=1(the Almighty One).
Each one (1) in the example above shares the same thing (characteristics). In other words, God the Father increased (multiply) by God the son and multiply (increased) by God the Holy Spirit=THE ALMIGHTY GOD.
The sign of addition (+) and the sign of multiplication (×) resemble themselves but they are different
When × is viewed daigonally, someone may thinks it's +. That's why some take the Trinity as 1+1+1=3 gods x(wrong)
Trinity is 1×1×1=1GOD (the Almighty)✓
Jesus loves you all. Amen!

xproducer:

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!" -
Romans 11:33

I love this verse.

The way I see the Trinity is this.

God the father, son and Holy spirit are one in the sense that God is the power house that propels /manifests the Holy spirit and Jesus. That's why Jesus keeps saying He is the father ( God) cos God is the one in Him. Also when he was being taken up, He (God) in the person of Jesus said He'll send the Holy spirit (ie he'll come in Holy spirit) to carry out another mission.

God is just like your electrical power house which carries/transmits power to your Radio(Jesus) and fan ( Holy spirit) to perform different functions. Without God ( power house) Jesus ( radio) and Holy spirit ( fan) cannot function. So, the Trinity is just one manifesting/ functioning in three places.

Maximus69:
Council of Nicaea headed by Emperor Constantine!

About Stephen not seeing the third person (Holy spirit) that is because He is here with us. Jesus said he was going to send the Holy spirit (comforter) to us after he had gone.so why did you expect Stephen to see him when he's already here to carry out His own mission. Its normal to only see Jesus sitted with the father because He has completed His own mission on earth.

Eulalia:
The way I see the Trinity is this.

God the father, son and Holy spirit are one in the sense that God is the power house that propels /manifests the Holy spirit and Jesus. That's why Jesus keeps saying He is the father ( God) cos God is the one in Him. Also when he was being taken up, He (God) in the person of Jesus said He'll send the Holy spirit (ie he'll come in Holy spirit) to carry out another mission.

God is just like your electrical power house which carries/transmits power to your Radio(Jesus) and fan ( Holy spirit) to perform different functions. Without God ( power house) Jesus ( radio) and Holy spirit ( fan) cannot function. So, the Trinity is just one manifesting/ functioning in three places.

Nope sis, you get it wrong, Trinity is not one God in three offices but one God who is three separate persons.
Jesus never said he is the father only that he and the father are one.

For example,

Mark 1:10-11 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

In this verse you clearly see the trinity of persons,
Jesus is on earth,
The Holy Spirit comes down on Jesus and
The Father Spoke from heaven.
They are not three offices but three persons, that is where the word 'trinity's came from.

solite3:
Nope sis, you get it wrong, Trinity is not one God in three offices but one God who is three separate persons.
Jesus never said he is the father only that he and the father are one.

For example,

Mark 1:10-11 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

In this verse you clearly see the trinity of persons,
Jesus is on earth,
The Holy Spirit comes down on Jesus and
The Father Spoke from heaven.
They are not three offices but three persons, that is where the word 'trinity's came from.

We are both saying same thing but in different ways. our choice of words may differ but still same view.

Exactly Ma, you garrit!

Eulalia:


About Stephen not seeing the third person (Holy spirit) that is because He is here with us. Jesus said he was going to send the Holy spirit (comforter) to us after he had gone.so why did you expect Stephen to see him when he's already here to carry out His own mission. Its normal to only see Jesus sitted with the father because He has completed His own mission on earth.

Maximus69:
Exactly Ma, you garrit!

My dear, that is what it is.

I heard you Ma!

Eulalia:


My dear, that is what it is.

Eulalia:


We are both saying same thing but in different ways. our choice of words may differ but still same view.

No we are not saying the same thing.

The way I see the Trinity is this.

God the father, son and Holy spirit are one in the sense that God is the power house that propels /manifests the Holy spirit and Jesus. That's why Jesus keeps saying He is the father ( God) cos God is the one in Him. Also when he was being taken up, He (God) in the person of Jesus said He'll send the Holy spirit (ie he'll come in Holy spirit) to carry out another mission.

Jesus did not say he is the father, at bolded, you are essentially saying there is only one person with different manifestations, this is not trinity but modalism.
Modalism is one person functioning in three offices.
Trinity is three separate persons who performs different roles.

God is just like your electrical power house which carries/transmits power to your Radio(Jesus) and fan ( Holy spirit) to perform different functions. Without God ( power house) Jesus ( radio) and Holy spirit ( fan) cannot function. So, the Trinity is just one manifesting/ functioning in three places.

God being like a sort of electrical energy that transmit power to different sources is not a right description of trinity, again what you are describing is modalism not trinity.

@bolded, the difference between what you think trinity is and what trinity is,
You think trinity means different Roles
But Trinity actually means distinct persons in one God

Trinity is one being God but exist as three separate individuals such that if one of the persons of the Godhead do not exist the other persons would still exist and nonetheless God in fullness.
Trinity can be a difficult concept to humans and yes that is because God is God.
God exist as a trinity of persons but we humans are just a mono person being.

solite3:
No we are not saying the same thing.

Jesus did not say he is the father, at bolded, you are essentially saying there is only one person with different manifestations, this is not trinity but modalism.
Modalism is one person functioning in three offices.
Trinity is three separate persons who performs different roles.

God being like a sort of electrical energy that transmit power to different sources is not a right description of trinity, again what you are describing is modalism not trinity.

@bolded, the difference between what you think trinity is and what trinity is,
You think trinity means different Roles
But Trinity actually means distinct persons in one God

Trinity is one being God but exist as three separate individuals such that if one of the persons of the Godhead do not exist the other persons would still exist and nonetheless God in fullness.
Trinity can be a difficult concept to humans and yes that is because God is God.
God exist as a trinity of persons but we humans are just a mono person being.

Please if i may ask, is there anywhere in the scriptures where the word TRINITY occurred just once?

Because an interested person may wonder "why so much contradictions over what never appeared in any part of the scriptures?"

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6. Father/Son is LORD of Lords:

*. Psalms 136:3 "O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever." (i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 19:16 "And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written,...Lord Of Lords." (i.e the Son)

Revelations 19:16= Matthew 28:18 Jesus Christ says himself RECEIVED Authority and Power from his God and Father in heaven and earth.

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5.Father/Son is Almighty:
* Rev.1:8 KJV:I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (i.e the Son)
* 2corinthians 6:18 "
KJV:And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." (i.e the Father)

Revelations 1:6,Does Jesus Christ have his Own Father and God? Yes.
Rev 1:8= Exodus 6:3. Yahweh is the Almighty. NOT Jesus.
Almighty Yahweh is NOT a partnership.
Jesus says "God is a Spirit" , John 4:24.
Who is that Spirit?
John 17:3, Jesus says his Father is the only true God. NOT Jesus.


**Revelations 3:5,11-12.
" 5He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father [/b]and before His angels.

11Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
[b]12He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, [/b]the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God...."

[b]Bros, is the spiritual realm Superior to the physical realm?
Your Church mind says yes.
Therefore ACCEPT THE TRUTH JESUS SPOKE THAT Revelations 3:5,11-12 = John 14:28 and John 20:17. 1 Cor 11:3 CONFIRMED IT.

Shalom

Maximus69:


Please if i may ask, is there anywhere in the scriptures where the word TRINITY occurred just once?

Because an interested person may wonder "why so much contradictions over what never appeared in any part of the scriptures?"

Trinity do not need to be written in the bible just as the word bible does not need to be written in the bible to make it true

solite3:
Trinity do not need to be written in the bible just as the word bible does not need to be written in the bible to make it true

The word BIBLE was FABRICATED!

So it's not part of the teachings in the first century.

You can refer to those scrolls as

God's word or Inspired Scriptures

TRINITY doesn't appear anywhere in the scrolls so it has no pedigree in the midst of first century Christian congregations!

Maximus69:


The word BIBLE was FABRICATED!

So it's not part of the teachings in the first century.

You can refer to those scrolls as

God's word or Inspired Scriptures

TRINITY doesn't appear anywhere in the scrolls so it has no pedigree in the midst of first century Christian congregations!

so the bible is a fabricated word, so why does the watch tower use the word bible?

solite3:
so the bible is a fabricated word, so why does the watch tower use the word bible?

If you carefully check the cover of our own version you will notice that the word Bible wasn't written on it, but in the preface that word appeared to help the reader know that this is another version of what is commonly referred to as "Bible".

For your information we don't even refer to the two sections as New Testament and Old Testament!

Maximus69:
Council of Nicaea headed by Emperor Constantine!

The Christians God is 3 Personalities in one God.

*These 3 Personalities have characteristics that differentiate them. And They have characteristics that unite Them.

*That is to say that They are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT and at the same time They are UNIQUELY THE SAME.

*The difficulties the majority are having is in this "THEY ARE THE SAME AS WELL AS ARE DIFFERENT"

*Many people have given the examples from the Bible that show They are different, especially between Jesus and God the Father.

Janosky:


Revelations 19:16= Matthew 28:18 Jesus Christ says himself RECEIVED Authority and Power from his God and Father in heaven and earth.

Revelations 1:6,Does Jesus Christ have his Own Father and God? Yes.
Rev 1:8= Exodus 6:3. Yahweh is the Almighty. NOT Jesus.
Almighty Yahweh is NOT a partnership.
Jesus says "God is a Spirit" , John 4:24.
Who is that Spirit?
John 17:3, Jesus says his Father is the only true God. NOT Jesus.


**Revelations 3:5,11-12.
" 5He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father [/b]and before His angels.

11Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
[b]12He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, [/b]the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God...."

[b]Bros, is the spiritual realm Superior to the physical realm?
Your Church mind says yes.
Therefore ACCEPT THE TRUTH JESUS SPOKE THAT Revelations 3:5,11-12 = John 14:28 and John 20:17. 1 Cor 11:3 CONFIRMED IT.

Shalom

The giver is not the bigger in this case. Father gave the Son, and the Son received it.

That He received it doesn't make Him lesser, because the Father also had received something before and He's still receiving. For example:

*. psalm106:1 "KJV:Praise ye the Lord. O GIVE THANKS UNTO THE LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever."

*. Isaiah 42:12
KJV:Let them GIVE GLORY UNTO THE LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.

Others: Psalms 30:12; 35:18; 57:7

NOTE! We can see human being giving and God receiving PRAISE, THANKS, GLORY, etc. Human beings are not greater than God because of giving and receiving. thanks.

2. These things you said Jesus received are the glory of God that He said He won't give to another.

*. Isaiah 42:8
KJV:I am the Lord: that is my name: and MY GLORY will I NOT GIVE to another, neither my praise to graven images.

NOTE! Jesus is not another but God increased Himself into 3 Personalities and still remains who He is.

1×1×1=1 Almighty. That is, one multiply(increased) by one and multiply ( increased) by another one = Almighty One.

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The Christians God is 3 Personalities in one God.
*These 3 Personalities have characteristics that differentiate them. And They have characteristics that unite Them.
*That is to say that They are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT and at the same time They are UNIQUELY THE SAME.
*The difficulties the majority are having is in this "They are the same as well as are different"
*Many people have given the examples from the Bible that show They are different, especially between Jesus and God the Father.

Sorry my guy i can see that you're still ignorant of the whole thing.

The council of Nicaea headed by Roman Emperor Constantine fabricated TRINITY 330 years after Jesus' ascension.

There is nothing like TRINITY in God's word (Bible)!