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Mraphel:
Don't know. Tell me the meaning of Benin?

I have told you the meaning of Benin so please tell me the meaning of yoruba.you can politely ask me for the meaning of oshodi and Eko in Benin and i will be glad to be of help

TAO11:
I am sorry if I wasn't polite.

But those are loads of rhetorical questions.

They're emotional rants, sister.

Please cut it out.

they might be rhetorical questions to you but to me they are not.no knowledge is lost

Sarah20A:
the original name of the Benin people were 'igodomigodo'then followed by 'ile ubinu' which was corrupted by the Portuguese to Benin .so technically Benin mean ile ubinu and ile ubinu means land of vexation in yoruba word,then it was changed to Edo by oba eweka.

Edo still a Yoruba word from (Ado) which translates to new settlement.

Correction: Oba Eweka changed it to Ubinu not Edo

Sarah20A:
I have told you the meaning of Benin so please tell me the meaning of yoruba.you can politely ask me for the meaning of oshodi and Eko in Benin and i will be glad to be of help

What's the meaning?

Mraphel:
Edo still a Yoruba word from (Ado) which translates to new settlement.

Correction: Oba Eweka changed it to Ubinu not Edo

it was oranmiyan that named it ile ubinu ,oba eweka then named it after a slave boy who save his life.the agbor people call us 'idu ' so you should as well say the Benins came from them.We all have what we call other people in our different languages.you've still haven't answered my questions

Mraphel:
What's the meaning?

check your mentions

Sarah20A:
they might be rhetorical questions to you but to me they are not.no knowledge is lost

He is a guy he intentionally opened a female account

Sarah20A:
it was oranmiyan that named it ile ubinu ,oba eweka then named it after a slave boy who save his life.the agbor people call us 'idu ' so you should as well say the Benins came from them.We all have what we call other people in our different languages.you've still haven't answered my questions

Oba oranmiyan and Oba Eweka do not speak the Edo dialect. The initial palace language was Yoruba. It was the *Ogisos* native people i.e That speaks igodomigodo language.

Ado is the word, it was corrupted to Edo by the igodomigodo people

samuk:
Most Benin known all along that the Benin/Ife connection was a fallacy let alone Orun Oba Ado.

I know it means the world to Yoruba history and without it, you guys are left with almost nothing and a watering history.

Benin history have much more to offer without the Ife lies. Some of us like to have fun on these your provocative threads when will have the time.

I already provided a link to your Yoruba brother thread here on nairaland that started these Orun Oba Ado lies in 2014, the lies started with two sites, one for Male and the other for female Obas of Benin.

It was when it was pointed out that Benin forbids female being Oba, you guys took the correction and came back with a reversed version of the lies.

Fortunately, there are other aspects of Benin history that are currently beyond you guys reach.

You know nothing about Edo history. About five years ago, your believed Oranmiyan was never a king in benin until Your Oba clears the air during his coronation

Mraphel:
You know nothing about Edo history. About five years ago, your believed Oranmiyan was never a king in benin until Your Oba clears the air during his coronation

Are you saying there is a benin and ife connection if so prove it


Lol

gregyboy:
Are you saying there is a benin and ife connection if so prove it


Lol

There's no igodomigodo and Ife connection but we have the Ife and Benin connection..your palace cannot refute it

Why is your palace using Oba(Yoruba) as opposed to Ogiso(Igodomigodo) as monarch?

Mraphel:
There's no igodomigodo and Ife connection but we have the Ife and Benin connection..your palace cannot refute it

Why is your palace using Oba(Yoruba) as opposed to Ogiso(Igodomigodo) as monarch?

How many books have you read on benin and ife connection lol probably the mentions you read on nairaland


There is never a bini and ife connection
Or Igodomigodo and ife connection, Oduduwa story was a political myth to link edo into the then former region


Go and read

A f c ryders work on benin and ife relationship


And also go back and start reading comments on this thread we justfied most point here

Mraphel:
There's no igodomigodo and Ife connection but we have the Ife and Benin connection..your palace cannot refute it

Why is your palace using Oba(Yoruba) as opposed to Ogiso(Igodomigodo) as monarch?

Ok lets imagined ife was out of the picture assuming

Are you aware benins ondo ekiti had a strong connection than anyother yoruba in nigeria did you know that benin thought owo its artwork craft are you aware benin, ondo, ekiti share thesame traditional delicacy i. E pounded and egusi, and black soup
Now tell me were did the word oba originate from if ife was assumed to have left the picture

The truth is there was never an ife in the picture it was all made up it was just benin, ondo, ekiti eko, nupe, igala that was always in edo history

gregyboy:
Ok lets imagined ife was out of the picture assuming

Are you aware benins ondo ekiti had a strong connection than anyother yoruba in nigeria did you know that benin thought owo its artwork craft are you aware benin, ondo, ekiti share thesame traditional delicacy i. E pounded and egusi, and black soup
Now tell me were did the word oba originate from if ife was assumed to have left the picture

The truth is there was never an ife in the picture it was all made up it was just benin, ondo, ekiti eko, nupe, igala that was always in edo history

Go and read the ogiamien history in Edo.

A yoruba war lord Oranmiyan from Ife kingdom faught and won the war against the igodomigodo..he was the father of Oba Eweka. He named the town he founded Ile ibinu now known as benin. He's from Yoruba's extraction.

Have you asked why Oba of Benin's head are buried at Orun oba ado in Ife?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/

Mraphel:
Go and read the ogiamien history in Edo.

A yoruba war lord Oranmiyan from Ife kingdom faught and won the war against the igodomigodo..he was the father of Oba Eweka. He named the town he founded Ile ibinu now known as benin. He's from Yoruba's extraction.

Have you asked why Oba of Benin's head are buried at Orun oba ado in Ife?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/features/ogiso-and-ogiamien-are-aborigine-binis-while-oba-of-benin-is-of-yoruba-descent-high-chief-esotericist-monday-wehere/

I see

Post me pictures of the head of the oba


If you cant everything you just said is fallacious

And pls don't you come up with excuses of no pictures don't

Dont make yourself a fool

You keep demanding for proof of Ife/Benin connection when different people have proven, with citations and references, the connections that exist between the two kingdoms. Instead of you examining those standing facts, you will rather dismiss them outright on the pretence that they are Yoruba postulations, even on occasions when such facts are given by people of Benin origin. What more proof do you still demand after all that have been proven here and elsewhere with historical, linguistics and and cultural overlaps between the two empire? It suits you to admit Benin had connection with Ondo (Yoruba) and the other Yoruba sect got what bind them with Benin from Ondo.

Your claim would have been quite meaningful, and of course, may be, acceptable, if you yourself, that is shouting for proofs and rebuking the ones provided as Yoruba narratives (even the ones provided by foreigners) can at least provide tenable and reasonable backings for your assumptions. You only want us to believe and accept it because you think it and want it.

Brother man, before you can deny or efface anything Ife Benin you have a lot of things to erase and this will not only utter your history (Benin history as it is told today and has been told since time immemorial) but also make it imperative for you and your ilks to be on a serious search for your true identity.

Benin could have had influenced on Ondo and vise versa, Ondo didn't give you the kingship system you have today. Ife/ Benin contact predate that of Benin obviously. Ondo themselves sprung from Ife.

You actually have a long way to go in your search for identity


First who is Oranmiyan the very first king the established the current ruling system in Benin?
Did he (Oranmiyan) come from Ondo/Nupe/Igala
Who is Eweka? a prince of Ikale/Nupe/ Igala queen.
Why would Oranmiyan, a prince, leave his own people and embarked on the journey to establish kindom similar to that of Ife I Benin?
Why was he accepted by the Benin?
What is the meaning of Benin? Does the language stem from Nupe/ Igala/?

When you consider all these and many more you know you are living in fools paradise amd making a fruitless effort to alter unalterable historical establishments.

What more, you need to understand this your "Benin has no contact with Ife" is NEW and weird. You don't expect people who uphold the old account of Benin/Ife relationship to give you proof. This claim is not new. The proof is obvious. You yourself must have, time without number read it in historical books, heard of it from your oral stories and felt it in language, culture, arts and religion of both kingdoms.

You are the one disputing an established "claim", you are the one with new and weird narrative, you are the one that want to efface and disclaim Ife/Benin relationship. So, if anyone is giving proof here (on this issue) it should be no one but you.

babtoundey:
You keep demanding for proof of Ife/Benin connection when different people have proven with citation and references the connections that exist between the two kingdom. Instead of you examining those standing facts, you will rather dismiss them outright on the pretence that they are Yoruba postulations, even on occasions when such facts are given by people of Benin origin. What more proof do you still demand for after all that has been proven here and elsewhere with historical, linguistics and and cultural overlaps between the two empire? It suits you to admit Benin had connection with Ondo (Yoruba) and the other Yoruba sect got what bind them with Benin from Ondo.

Your claim would have been quite meaningful, and of course, may be, acceptable, if you yourself, that is shouting for proofs and rebuking the ones provided as Yoruba narratives (even the ones provided by foreigners) can at least provided tenable and reasonable backings for your assumptions. You only want us to believe and accept it because you think it and want it.

Brother man, before you can deny or efface anything Ife Benin you have a lot of things to erase and this will not only utter your history (Benin history as it is told today and has been told since time I'm memorial) but also make it imperative for you and your ilks to be on a serious search for your true identity.

Benin could have had influenced on Benin and vise versa, Ondo didn't give you the kingship system you have today. Ife/ Benin contact predate that of Benin obviously. Ondo themselves sprung from Ife.

You actually have a long way to go in your search for identity

First who is Oranmiyan the very first king the established the current ruling system in Benin?
Did he (Oranmiyan) come from Ondo/Nupe/Igala
Who is Eweka? a prince of Ikale/Nupe/ Igala queen.
Why would Oranmiyan, a prince, leave his own people and embarked on the journey to establish kindom similar to that of Ife I Benin?
Why was he accepted by the Benin?
What is the meaning of Benin? Does the language stem from Nupe/ Igala/?

When you consider all these and many more you know you are living in fools paradise amd making a fruitless effort to alter unalterable historical establishments.

There was never oromiyan my grandad while telling the story didnt even know what was ife or oromiyan we only read that in book and we felt that maybe grandad didnt tell the whole story not knowing grandad had told exactly what happened but egharevba had put myth on truth like in the movies....


Ekaladeran escaped to uhe ughoton were benin still go today to make sacrifice while the crown prince ascends the throne, ekaladeran had later moved north to an unknown place the benin chiefs went in search for him they didnt see him they brought back his hier eweka as a young prince, who later ascended the throne

He took upon the title oba which willed power over yoruba areas and the name oba become a general term for king


Take not in telling ekaladeran story benin never at one time mentioned

Ooni
Ife


If you want a screenshot of this actual story tell me i will send you


Egharevba had republished his first books in different vilumes because it was error full, he was always getting drag in by the palace because of is twisted history he had written on his own perception because he was the first edo writer doesnt make him correct, he had corrected his first book ekhere vb itan edo ( a short story of benin) in 1934 this is someone who was vast in both yoruba and benin culture his father was a benin- akure chief he had an ondo mother and he was born in ondo state, to twist this different history to one, and we all can virtually do thesame to our various tribe just the way egharevba did it for his selfish interest the myth later became the truth

Egharevba was using benin history to try experiments read the the article below

There was never a benin and ife relationship if you all can humbly see it

Samuk
Metaphysical

Mraphel:
Oba oranmiyan and Oba Eweka do not speak the Edo dialect. The initial palace language was Yoruba. It was the *Ogisos* native people i.e That speaks igodomigodo language.

Ado is the word, it was corrupted to Edo by the igodomigodo people

your ignorance is alarming...
Who is oranmiyan to eweka?
Who are the ogisos and what does it mean?
Who are the igodomigodos?
What does oba mean in Benin?
Does it make any sense to you that the palace speak different language from the people they precede over?
Where's oduduwa's family?
Why is it that is only in ife they practice oloku?
What is the conflict between the ooni of ife and aalafin of oyo ,oba of Lagos?

gregyboy:
There was never oromiyan my grandad while telling the story didnt even know what was ife or oromiyan we only read that in book and we felt that maybe grandad didnt tell the whole story not knowing grandad had told exactly what happened but egharevba had put myth on truth like in the movies....


Ekaladeran escaped to uhe ughoton were benin still go today to make sacrifice while the crown prince ascends the throne, ekaladeran had later moved north to an unknown place the benin chiefs went in search for him they didnt see him they brought back his hier eweka as a young prince, who later ascended the throne

He took upon the title oba which willed power over yoruba areas and the name oba become a general term for king


Take not in telling ekaladeran story benin never at one time mentioned

Ooni
Ife


If you want a screenshot of this actual story tell me i will send you


Egharevba had republished his first books in different vilumes because it was error full, he was always getting drag in by the palace because of is twisted history he had written on his own perception because he was the first edo writer doesnt make him correct, he had corrected his first book ekhere vb itan edo ( a short story of benin) in 1934 this is someone who was vast in both yoruba and benin culture his father was a benin- akure chief he had an ondo mother and he was born in ondo state, to twist this different history to one, and we all can virtually do thesame to our various tribe just the way egharevba did it for his selfish interest the myth later became the truth

Egharevba was using benin history to try experiments read the the article below

There was never a benin and ife relationship if you all can humbly see it

Samuk
Metaphysical

Do you see several loopholes in your man-made history. Yoruba account of Benin/Ife connection never recognize Ekaladeran. Yoruba always maintain that Ekaladrran or whatsoever didn't escape to Ife. I'm pleased to be aware you eventually know where your Ekaladeran went to. Didn't you just said your chief came back with Eweka who inturned established Oba from which Yoruba then emulate. Did the establishment of Benin empire predate Ife? Didn't Ekaladeran came back with Yoruba gods and names like Ogun, oya, olokun, iyooba? Many loopholes here and there. I will suggest you go back and spin you story (history) again. By the time you try more than a hundred times without maybe common sense will tell you to give up.

babtoundey:
Do you see several loopholes in your man-made history. Yoruba account of Benin/Ife connection never recognize Ekaladeran. Yoruba always maintain that Ekaladrran or whatsoever didn't escape to Ife. I'm pleased to be aware you eventually know where your Ekaladeran went to. Didn't you just said your chief came back with Eweka who inturned established Oba from which Yoruba then emulate. Did the establishment of Benin empire predate Ife? Didn't Ekaladeran came back with Yoruba gods and names like Ogun, oya, olokun, iyooba? Many loopholes here and there. I will suggest you go back and spin you story (history) again. By the time you try more than a hundred times without maybe common sense will tell you to give up.

Now i didnt say benin didnt have connections witg other yorubas but definitely not ife

The conqueror always influenced the conquered everything u said about gods were introduced to other yourubas by benin

I posted s pictures yesterday on owo art having semblance with benin artwork thats is edo influence it didn't end there gods too were introduced to them just d wat British introduced Christianity to the conquered nigeria

Guy think of another one am here for you

The prob i will be having with you is you insiting on benin and ifw connections with no prove

gregyboy:
There was never oromiyan my grandad while telling the story didnt even know what was ife or oromiyan we only read that in book and we felt that maybe grandad didnt tell the whole story not knowing grandad had told exactly what happened but egharevba had put myth on truth like in the movies....


Ekaladeran escaped to uhe ughoton were benin still go today to make sacrifice while the crown prince ascends the throne, ekaladeran had later moved north to an unknown place the benin chiefs went in search for him they didnt see him they brought back his hier eweka as a young prince, who later ascended the throne

He took upon the title oba which willed power over yoruba areas and the name oba become a general term for king


Take not in telling ekaladeran story benin never at one time mentioned

Ooni
Ife


If you want a screenshot of this actual story tell me i will send you


Egharevba had republished his first books in different vilumes because it was error full, he was always getting drag in by the palace because of is twisted history he had written on his own perception because he was the first edo writer doesnt make him correct, he had corrected his first book ekhere vb itan edo ( a short story of benin) in 1934 this is someone who was vast in both yoruba and benin culture his father was a benin- akure chief he had an ondo mother and he was born in ondo state, to twist this different history to one, and we all can virtually do thesame to our various tribe just the way egharevba did it for his selfish interest the myth later became the truth

Egharevba was using benin history to try experiments read the the article below

There was never a benin and ife relationship if you all can humbly see it

Samuk
Metaphysical

And this is what I was saying up there. You want us to stop believing the account of renown Benin, Yoruba and foreign scholars and historians and believe that your granddad said Benin and Ife never met. Did your granddad lived during the reign of of Eweka that we must submit to his story. Or, is your granddad more Benin than renown and respectable Benin historian who admit and insist Benin met with Ife at a pint in time? You are going through this much trouble just because you want to deny the obvious; the fact that Ife had influence on Benin.

It's simply not enough for you to say here was never Oranmiyan, or there was Eweka but no Oranmiyan in Benin or there was never either of them. You have to skilfully wrought how Eweka came by his name and give accurate account of his birth. You have to give dependable are reliable account of how he got the idea of Oba ruling system (Was the system in place where he was brought from or he got inspiration from some mysterious angels). You how to tell us how Benin came by the name "Benin". Tell us why Eweka call his mother "iyaooba/iyooba" and how that relate to the language of to the language of the "unknown place" he came from.
I guess, Ogun, Ayelala, Sanponna, Olokun etc are the gods he brought Alon from that unknown place. If you know this much about him and the things he brought from the unknown place why haven't you traced that unknown place till the present time?

Keep spinning coiling lies and fabrications. You can't succeed in changing what is to what is not.

macof:
In laws, friends, acquaintance we all have, you are not the only one who would know some Ga people, that is if you weren't even lying about that. So this is no answer to the question

Mr. Man all this personal attacks is nonsense. Address the post and leave long talk
I didn't attack you

Here are the two points of my previous post again in case you missed it
1. What's the correlation between Benin and Accra
2. That certain families in Yorùbáland and elsewhere have Benin origin doesn't make them Benin till date.

Benin revolutionist.

Let state some things clear and loud to you.

I have travelled and live in this 2 countries you mentioned. First the ga people claim their Ancestry back to ilé ìfẹ́, even the ga king mentioned it when Ooni of ìfẹ́ visited then in Accra. Of recently their was coronation of installing a Yorùbá traditional chief of ga descent in Accra, Ooni of Ìfẹ́ was invited as Royal Father Guest of Honor of the day. He was given the highest sit on that occasion, even the ga and Yoruba Kings that was present sit on subordinate sit. OONI OF IFE sited closed to Ghana Vice president and OONI of ife was secure by Ghana secret police. Here is the YouTube (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd7ZUEvhyRc)

Secondly, I have a friend and later we became family in Benin Republic. First the guy told me categorically told me that he has story pass to him by his father from his grandparents that they are descentdant of ilé ìfẹ́ and that most Yorùbá in Benin came into Benin Republic during trade and some expedition by their great grandparents into Benin Republic. To the extent his father as me where I am from in Yorubaland, I told them I am from Ìjẹ̀bú. He took me to some descendant of Ijebu people. And when I got to the house luckily we bear the same surname and when I started making enquiries. I realise the story pass to them, we are from same compound in Ijebu Ode.

babtoundey:
And this is what I was saying up there. You want us to stop believing the account of renown Benin, Yoruba and foreign scholars and historians and believe that your granddad said Benin and Ife never met. Did your granddad lived during the reign of of Eweka that we must submit to his story. Or, is your granddad more Benin than renown and respectable Benin historian who admit and insist Benin met with Ife at a pint in time? You are going through this much trouble just because you want to deny the obvious; the fact that Ife had influence on Benin.

It's simply not enough for you to say here was never Oranmiyan, or there was Eweka but no Oranmiyan in Benin or there was never either of them. You have to skilfully wrought how Eweka came by his name and give accurate account of his birth. You have to give dependable are reliable account of how he got the idea of Oba ruling system (Was the system in place where he was brought from or he got inspiration from some mysterious angels). You how to tell us how Benin came by the name "Benin". Tell us why Eweka call his mother "iyaooba/iyooba" and how that relate to the language of to the language of the "unknown place" he came from.
I guess, Ogun, Ayelala, Sanponna, Olokun etc are the gods he brought Alon from that unknown place. If you know this much about him and the things he brought from the unknown place why haven't you traced that unknown place till the present time?

Keep spinning coiling lies and fabrications. You can't succeed in changing what is to what is not.

I wont say anything again so it wont look like a lie
Or am an author to my self

But i want to give the right to prove the ife and benin connections without using oral history


The igala and benin war was recorded by the Portuguese, there is a mask the attah of igala still wears today to prove the war happened

I want you to prove- ife and benin connections with factual evidence and not from oral account


Am waiting

gregyboy:
I wont say anything again so it wont look like a lie
Or am an author to my self

But i want to give the right to prove the ife and benin connections without using oral history


The igala and benin war was recorded by the Portuguese, there is a mask the attah of igala still wears today to prove the war happened

I want you to prove- ife and benin connections with factual evidence and not from oral account


Am waiting

What are you even saying! So the Igala Benin war erodes the possibility of Benin/Ife relationship. Can you clarify the relationship between Igala and Benin beyond the story of Inkpi (Benin/ Igala war) and how such story proves the known Ife/Benin connection untrue.

See, like I told you, the in onus is on you to provide evidence. You are the one disproving an established claim. So you disprove very aspect of it with your own fact; and not the kind of "my grandfather said" or Igala Benin war that doesn't clarify where you you found Eweka and how Oranmiyan was never a part in the conversion of Ogiso dynasty to the present day oba system in Benin.

babtoundey:
What are you even saying! So the Igala Benin war erodes the possibility of Benin/Ife relationship. Can you clarify the relationship between Igala and Benin beyond the story of Inkpi (Benin/ Igala war) and how such story proves the known Ife/Benin connection untrue.

See, like I told you, the in onus is on you to provide evidence. You are the one disproving an established claim. So you disprove very aspect of it with your own fact; and not the kind of "my grandfather said" or Igala Benin war that doesn't clarify where you you found Eweka and how Oranmiyan was never a part in the conversion of Ogiso dynasty to the present day oba system in Benin.

I have clarified all this in this thread you need to go back and find it, i also created another thread
On how the myth originated

If you are lazy to go search for it, am sorry am not searching it our for you or writing another one you will have to wait for the official thread i will create soon to establish these fact


But for now am giving you a roon to prove benin and ife connection

Anyone can prove it it doesnt matter who is approving or disproving

Give your fact for approving the benin and ife connection i will give mine like i have done in this thread you're just lazy to go and search for it

If you are approving this connection make sure you use European account who had visited benin or ife in the ancient times and not a document from the 1900 the written document should be atleast 200yrs old writing document, you are also allowed to use artifacts to establish your fact and cognitive reasoning

My yoruba friend start proving ife and benin connections


And a again the Portuguese told the story of igala and benin war and they even fought in it
They recorded that a benin chief went to seek the help of the Benin neighbors, if igala and benin didnt trade or have any form of connections over the centuries the benin chief wouldn't just know were igala was and ask them to wage benin so there was a connection between both party before the war

babtoundey:
What are you even saying! So the Igala Benin war erodes the possibility of Benin/Ife relationship. Can you clarify the relationship between Igala and Benin beyond the story of Inkpi (Benin/ Igala war) and how such story proves the known Ife/Benin connection untrue.

See, like I told you, the in onus is on you to provide evidence. You are the one disproving an established claim. So you disprove very aspect of it with your own fact; and not the kind of "my grandfather said" or Igala Benin war that doesn't clarify where you you found Eweka and how Oranmiyan was never a part in the conversion of Ogiso dynasty to the present day oba system in Benin.

Oromiyan story was fake and was invented by egharevba there was never oromiyan but only
Ekaladeran and eweka, ekaladeran escaped to ughoton a Nickname for uhe and not ife he impregnated the king daughter at ughoton and he left up north to were no one knows tilk today benin chiefs came in search of him didnt see him but saw his heir eweka who they took back to benin to be king

Egharevba who was using benib history as experiment assumed ekaladeran had left to ife inother to unite yoruba and benin together in the former western region so they wont looj like outsiders


Are you afraid to accept the truth ife and benin never had connections benin and owo had a connection even the Portuguese cant deniel

gregyboy:
Oromiyan story was fake and was invented by egharevba there was never oromiyan but only
Ekaladeran and eweka, ekaladeran escaped to ughoton a Nickname for uhe and not ife he impregnated the king daughter at ughoton and he left up north to were no one knows tilk today benin chiefs came in search of him didnt see him but saw his heir eweka who they took back to benin to be king

Egharevba who was using benib history as experiment assumed ekaladeran had left to ife inother to unite yoruba and benin together in the former western region so they wont looj like outsiders


Are you afraid to accept the truth ife and benin never had connections benin and owo had a connection even the Portuguese cant deniel

I should accept the truth which is the truth because your grandad says it's the truth and your own presumption asserts it the truth.

Cheers to your new found Confusion.

babtoundey:
I should accept the truth which is the truth because your grandad says it's the truth and your own presumption asserts it the truth.

Cheers to your new found Confusion.

Chhers to your old myth who refused to accept the painful truth


Am giving you the bait to prove d validity of ife benin connections

babtoundey:
I should accept the truth which is the truth because your grandad says it's the truth and your own presumption asserts it the truth.

Cheers to your new found Confusion.

It wasn't just his grandad that say so alone, European experts who have documented Benin history for centuries have serious difficulties reconciling latter day fabrication of Benin/Ife relationship with actual evidence they have gathered over centuries.

A Reconsideration of the Ife-Benin Relationship1
A. F. C. Ryder
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/S0021853700005314
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 22 January 2009
Extract
The traditions now current among the Edo of Nigeria trace the origin of the Benin dynasty and the associated cire-perdue technique of brass-casting to Ife. Some of the information recorded by European visitors to Benin since the fifteenth century is not easily reconcilable with this tradition. Material evidence, especially that contained in the Benin bronzes, and the results of archaeological investigation have also raised difficulties. It is suggested that many conflicts in the evidence could be resolved by adopting a hypothesis which would ascribe a more northerly origin to the dynasty. The Nupe-Igala area straddling the confluence of the Niger and Benue emerges as the key area in such a reconstruction of Benin dynastic affiliations. The Yoruba States would seem to be related to the same general complex, but the chronology and direction of dynastic movements still remain obscure, and the seemingly fixed points of reference become far less certain when placed in context.

samuk:
It wasn't just his grandad that say so alone, European experts who have documented Benin history for centuries have serious difficulties reconciling latter day fabrication of Benin/Ife relationship with actual evidence they have gathered over centuries.

A Reconsideration of the Ife-Benin Relationship1
A. F. C. Ryder
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/S0021853700005314
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 22 January 2009
Extract
The traditions now current among the Edo of Nigeria trace the origin of the Benin dynasty and the associated cire-perdue technique of brass-casting to Ife. Some of the information recorded by European visitors to Benin since the fifteenth century is not easily reconcilable with this tradition. Material evidence, especially that contained in the Benin bronzes, and the results of archaeological investigation have also raised difficulties. It is suggested that many conflicts in the evidence could be resolved by adopting a hypothesis which would ascribe a more northerly origin to the dynasty. The Nupe-Igala area straddling the confluence of the Niger and Benue emerges as the key area in such a reconstruction of Benin dynastic affiliations. The Yoruba States would seem to be related to the same general complex, but the chronology and direction of dynastic movements still remain obscure, and the seemingly fixed points of reference become far less certain when placed in context.

Shut up!!

Ryder (1965) admitted that his own conclusion was probabilistic.

And he anticipated attacks against it from scholars noting that the most cogent of those attacks is the well established connection of Ife and Benin.

Carry your revision and crawl back into your creepy hole in reverse mode.


Moreover, scholars have in present time come to identify the Ogane of d'Aveiros account as no other than the Ooni of Ife.




African Proverb:
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The Benin Nairalander who thinks he is an expert at lying should not forget that TAO11 still have an active account.

This Ogiso guys have been beaten to stupor.

No need wasting time trying to convince them. They know the real history, all they are doing now is Rope-A-Dope trying to resurrect this in another thread next week.

Who did not know the history of Benin and Ife from primary school when history was taught.

googi:
This Ogiso guys have been beaten to stupor.

No need wasting time trying to convince them. They know the real history, all they are doing now is Rope-A-Dope trying to resurrect this in another thread next week.

Who did not know the history of Benin and Ife from primary school when history was taught.

All of us were fooled in primary school by the former western region revisionist it was a tustle between all top class king to be the chairman of the former western traditional king

If only you can do your research you will wakeup from the old political myth dont be lazy do your research question your doubt and come back to edit this your comment