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samuk:
Another way to make the read easy is only to read the replies from the Benin contributors only. You can scroll through each page reading replies and posts from:

Samuk
Areafather
Gregyboy
Davinazee
Ghoswon
Silversniper

Thanks

valirex:
I like your historic wisdom, and will like to know what you think of this write up for I am confused if this is true:

Thanks. But fact is Yoruba wanted a rallying point. Claiming a common Oduduwa ancestor was a very attractive option. Today every tiny Yoruba chiefdom claims descent from Oduduwa. This is not possible because Oduduwa lived only about 900 years ago.

Although of late they have seen the weakness of that position. Now trying to change that a bit. Some Yoruba Obas are now writing books. Invariably claiming seniority over others. Like Ooni and Ugbo king Frederick. They are trying

Whereas evidence shows people in current Edo, SW, SE and entire South have been there for thousands of years.

Fact is Oduduwa entered Ife from the East. He was very imposing, gifted and had something special that made Ife people make him their ruler.

Is it not feasible that such an figure came from an already well structured, organised monarchical society? It certainly looks like he was a prince groomed for kingship in his homeland as it was and still done in Benin today. Princes are groomed for the role from birth.

While that may not be an evidence on its own but it lends support to the Benin history and the great administrative and leadership skills that so impressed Ife people.

Now regarding Oba forging the story in 1960s, read my old posts. All is there.

In fact the book outlining Ekaladerhan story was completed in 1933. Oba Akenzua was a prince then and his father Oba Eweka's secretary. Is a lie that the prince does not see his father. Just to quickly say so. Just many of the ancient myths surrounding Oba when Oba was never ever seen by most Benin people outside Benin City.

The prince read the manuscript of Dr J. U. Egharevba to Oba Eweka.

Despite Oba Eweka's reservations, there was no proper Benin history book by a Benin man then. But Oba Eweka passed on later that year. So Oba Akenzua was not even Oba yet.

In Benin the crown prince is basically seen as a chief or ruler of a "village" called Uselu. Although grown to conglomerate with Benin City over the past two hundred years.

The prince has no power over Edo national affairs any more than the other 6 kingmaker or better called Kingcrowner chiefs in his category called UZAMA chiefs. So he couldn't have cooked up a a story by a historian with a PhD, while still a prince.

Some even write here that it was Oba Erediauwa who made up the story in the 1970s. But he only became Oba in 1979 with lots of inheritance, liabilities, ceremonies and lots to take care of. He had no free time writing stories for the next year or two. So which publication did Oba Erediauwa release in the 1970s?

People peddle lies without even checking facts.

Yes the West actively discriminated against non Yoruba in Western region. For example Awo elevated Olu of Itsekiri to Olu of Warri.

Remember what is now Delta state was called Warri Province then. It caused protests from Urhobo, Izon, Isoko, Anioma, etc. It was only resolved when name of the province was changed to Delta. Otherwise it would imply that the Olu of Yoruboid Itsekiri was ruling over all of Warri province.

Instances of tribal discrimination abound. So Oba Akenzua led others like Anioma, Urhobo, Izon already equally fed up to leave Western Region in 1963 referendum.

Note that many English speaking people of Cameroon today were part of Eastern Nigeria then too. They had a referendum to join Cameroon too and they left.

valirex:
I plan on creating a medium to store all this information for the future generations. I am glad to know there are more Binis deep in history like me, at home here they all think am crazy with how much I read our people's history. Thanks

Lol, no matter how deep you're, you can never deeper than some people
While doing your research also go to the palace to ask questions you should also learn to remove myth from truth


Oduduwa history were all made up i wont blame the oba tho, if he had succeeded we all will be basking in enjoyment...

An author who was so angry benin altered thier history for political gains when you keep reading and reaserching you come across so many

AreaFada2:
Thanks. But fact is Yoruba wanted a rallying point. Claiming a common Oduduwa ancestor was a very attractive option. Today every tiny Yoruba chiefdom claims descent from Oduduwa. This is not possible because Oduduwa lived only about 900 years ago.

Although of late they have seen the weakness of that position. Now trying to change that a bit. Some Yoruba Obas are now writing books. Invariably claiming seniority over others. Like Ooni and Ugbo king Frederick. They are trying

Whereas evidence shows people in current Edo, SW, SE and entire South have been there for thousands of years.

Fact is Oduduwa entered Ife from the East. He was very imposing, gifted and had something special that made Ife people make him their ruler.

Is it not feasible that such an figure came from an already well structured, organised monarchical society? It certainly looks like he was a prince groomed for kingship in his homeland as it was and still done in Benin today. Princes are groomed for the role from birth.

While that may not be an evidence on its own but it lends support to the Benin history and the great administrative and leadership skills that so impressed Ife people.

Now regarding Oba forging the story in 1960s, read my old posts. All is there.

In fact the book outlining Ekaladerhan story was completed in 1933. Oba Akenzua was a prince then and his father Oba Eweka's secretary. Is a lie that the prince does not see his father. Just to quickly say so. Just many of the ancient myths surrounding Oba when Oba was never ever seen by most Benin people outside Benin City.

The prince read the manuscript of Dr J. U. Egharevba to Oba Eweka.

Despite Oba Eweka's reservations, there was no proper Benin history book by a Benin man then. But Oba Eweka passed on later that year. So Oba Akenzua was not even Oba yet.

In Benin the crown prince is basically seen as a chief or ruler of a "village" called Uselu. Although grown to conglomerate with Benin City over the past two hundred years.

The prince has no power over Edo national affairs any more than the other 6 kingmaker or better called Kingcrowner chiefs in his category called UZAMA chiefs. So he couldn't have cooked up a a story by a historian with a PhD, while still a prince.

Some even write here that it was Oba Erediauwa who made up the story in the 1970s. But he only became Oba in 1979 with lots of inheritance, liabilities, ceremonies and lots to take care of. He had no free time writing stories for the next year or two. So which publication did Oba Erediauwa release in the 1970s?

People peddle lies without even checking facts.

Yes the West actively discriminated against non Yoruba in Western region. For example Awo elevated Olu of Itsekiri to Olu of Warri.

Remember what is now Delta state was called Warri Province then. It caused protests from Urhobo, Izon, Isoko, Anioma, etc. It was only resolved when name of the province was changed to Delta. Otherwise it would imply that the Olu of Yoruboid Itsekiri was ruling over all of Warri province.

Instances of tribal discrimination abound. So Oba Akenzua led others like Anioma, Urhobo, Izon already equally fed up to leave Western Region in 1963 referendum.

Note that many English speaking people of Cameroon today were part of Eastern Nigeria then too. They had a referendum to join Cameroon too and they left.

Thanks

samuk:
How can any sane Midwesterner or Bendelite or Edo/Delta person hate their own son Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe. A very proud Benin descendant that wrote a whole book to celebrate his Benin ancestral lineage.

It's the Igbo that hate Zik for telling the truth in his autobiography.

You are just desperately looking for how to start another ethnic tribal war on Nairaland between Benin and Igbo and hopes the Benin lectured you along the way about various Igbo tribes, the way Yorubas were schooled and they finally run away.

Hope nobody will have your time. Go and read Zik autobiography and come back and tell us why will any Edo/Delta person hate him.

Zik was very much loved and we will continue to love, cherished and see him as one of our own. It's some Igbo people that hate him for his truth.

[s]If Zik have any regrets, it will be against ignorant Igbo like yourself who are calling him stupid for writing about his Benin root. [/s]

If you guys have any issues about what he wrote, you wait until you meet him to confront him and ask him for further explanations, those of you that can't wait, reserve the right to immediately go and meet him wherever he his to confront him and leave Benin out of it.

Find yourself a copy of Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography and history of Onitsha people to read.
Below is an extract.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

Nri rather@ strike.

Now this is one of the problems you guys are having here. You are trying to refute a logic and propaganda and you are also trying to create new one here with azikiwe.



Calm down and let all logic be neutral and independent. That's what I want this argument to achieve.

davidnazee:
You are looking for unnecessary argument..

Not a all. I only corrected the name he is desperately missing in the argument.

valirex:
Binis do not hate Igbos neither do we hate the Yorubas we are only trying to correct the Yorubas to stop the distortion of history. Don't try to create a tribal war online

Not at all.

I won't try such.

samuk:
How can any sane Midwesterner or Bendelite or Edo/Delta person hate their own son Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe. A very proud Benin descendant that wrote a whole book to celebrate his Benin ancestral lineage.

It's the Igbo that hate Zik for telling the truth in his autobiography.

You are just desperately looking for how to start another ethnic tribal war on Nairaland between Benin and Igbo and hopes the Benin lectured you along the way about various Igbo tribes, the way Yorubas were schooled and they finally run away.

Hope nobody will have your time. Go and read Zik autobiography and come back and tell us why will any Edo/Delta person hate him.

Zik was very much loved and we will continue to love, cherished and see him as one of our own. It's some Igbo people that hate him for his truth.

If Zik have any regrets, it will be against ignorant Igbo like yourself who are calling him stupid for writing about his Benin root.

If you guys have any issues about what he wrote, you wait until you meet him to confront him and ask him for further explanations, those of you that can't wait, reserve the right to immediately go and meet him wherever he his to confront him and leave Benin out of it.

Find yourself a copy of Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography and history of Onitsha people to read.
Below is an extract.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

You Bini lot have been educated many times that to disregard that tales by the moon light told by Zik , but , you turn a blind eye and believed what the man told because it makes you feel good. Once , more, that Zik's tale can't stand the weakest scrutiny in the academic community. Even a monkey can tell you the story is stupid but our Bini people, in their attempt to push an influence and dominance they obviously lack want to claim e everything, including the Onicha retards that we the Omanbala cleaned up upon their arrival and have them eat with our nobles.

Osagyefo98:
Nri rather@ strike.

Now this is one of the problems you guys are having here. You are trying to refute a logic and propaganda and you are also trying to create new one here with azikiwe.

Calm down and let all logic be neutral and independent. That's what I want this argument to achieve.

You think Zik and his grandmother didn't know about Nri when Zik wrote his autobiography.

Did any Benin person force Zik to write what he wrote, did Zik even say he went to Benin to do his research.

Zik quoted his grandmother, how old do you think Zik's grandmother would have been considering that Zik was born in 1904.

If you decided to look the history back logically, Zik grandmother would have certainly be born in the late 1700s or sometimes in the 1800s, few generations from when Oba Esigie that Zik grandmother mentioned ruled Benin.

Do you even realised that during the 2019 Onitsha Ofala festival, the Onitsha youths, both men and women came out in Benin traditional attire, I guess you are not even from Onitsha.

Benin culture was fully represented.

What makes you guys think you know the history of Zik's lineage and Onitsha people more than Zik.

Like I said before we shouldn't start discussing Benin relationship with various Igbo tribes on this thread.

Benin empire interacted with almost every tribes in southern and middle belt Nigeria.

https://www.nairaland.com/5466682/onitsha-ofala-festival-obi-onitsha#83046283

samuk:
How can any sane Midwesterner or Bendelite or Edo/Delta person hate their own son Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe. A very proud Benin descendant that wrote a whole book to celebrate his Benin ancestral lineage.

It's the Igbo that hate Zik for telling the truth in his autobiography.

You are just desperately looking for how to start another ethnic tribal war on Nairaland between Benin and Igbo and hopes the Benin lectured you along the way about various Igbo tribes, the way Yorubas were schooled and they finally run away.

Hope nobody will have your time. Go and read Zik autobiography and come back and tell us why will any Edo/Delta person hate him.

Zik was very much loved and we will continue to love, cherished and see him as one of our own. It's some Igbo people that hate him for his truth.

If Zik have any regrets, it will be against ignorant Igbo like yourself who are calling him stupid for writing about his Benin root.

If you guys have any issues about what he wrote, you wait until you meet him to confront him and ask him for further explanations, those of you that can't wait, reserve the right to immediately go and meet him wherever he his to confront him and leave Benin out of it.

Find yourself a copy of Nnamdi Azikiwe autobiography and history of Onitsha people to read.
Below is an extract.

Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

Another delusion of grandeur from yet another Bini loser and hopeless revisionist. It hurts when you looked around and find out you have no tangible influence to go with your over bloated ego When Onicha people are ready they can unlearn everything we taught them and swim over on the other side...nonsense!

Without us the wretched Onicha people would be worse than their relatives in Delta , whom for some strange reasons you don't claim , but you want our immigrants

samuk:
You think Zik and his grandmother didn't know about Nri when Zik wrote his autobiography.

Did any Benin person force Zik to write what he wrote, did Zik even say he went to Benin to do his research.

Zik quoted his grandmother, how old do you think Zik's grandmother would have been considering that Zik was born in 1904.

If you decided to look the history back logically, Zik grandmother would have certainly be born in the late 1700s or sometimes in the 1800s, few generations from when Oba Esigie that Zik grandmother mentioned ruled Benin.

Do you even realised that during the 2019 Onitsha Ofala festival, the Onitsha youths, both men and women came out in Benin traditional attire, I guess you are not even from Onitsha.

Benin culture was fully represented.

What makes you guys think you know the history of Zik lineage and Onitsha people more than Zik.

Like I said before we shouldn't start discussing Benin relationship with various Igbo tribes on this thread.

Benin empire interacted with almost every tribes in southern and middle belt Nigeria.

https://www.nairaland.com/5466682/onitsha-ofala-festival-obi-onitsha#83046283

During the Ofala, the youths of Onicha came out in traditional regalia representing all major Nigerian ethnic groups including Yorubas, Igala , Efik, Hausa etc.

Stop harping on a research loss story told by a people w/o a documented history...a history that can't be proved by facts on grounds. No historian ever attributed Onicha ancestry to Bini.

According to HRH Agbogidi Obi Achebe " the case of Onicha is a reverse migration " , " we are Igbos"....deal with this

IDENNAA:
During the Ofala, the youths of Onicha came out in traditional regalia representing all major Nigerian ethnic groups including Yorubas, Igala , Efik, Hausa etc.

Stop harping on a research loss story told by a people w/o a documented history...a history that can't be proved by facts on grounds. No historian ever attributed Onicha ancestry to Bini.

According to HRH Agbogidi Obi Achebe " the case of Onicha is a reverse migration " , " we are Igbos"....deal with this

Your argument and displeasure should rather be with Zik and his grandmother, or don't you think so.

These Bini delusionists act like Zik's story is the holy grail of unwritten history. Zik is not a historian, just an uninformed observer regurgitating what he was taught

IDENNAA:
These Bini delusionists act like Zik's story is the holy grail of unwritten history. Zik is not a historian, just an uninformed observer regurgitating what he was taught

Zik story has been presented the way it was written, why shot the messager.

samuk:
Your argument should rather be with Zik and his grandmother, or don't you think so.

Not so fast. You believe an obvious fabrication because it makes you feel good but when they Yoruba boys pull the same card you cry blue murder. You are a disgusting hypocrite...Bini my a.ss. You people are mischievous as a devil.

Bleep Zik and his unlettered grand parents...Bring a historian forth! Zik story is a mockery to students of history and anybody that believes it is a miserable and pitiful. You Bini people are shameless including your little god, Oba Akhenzua II. Onicha Ado has absolutely nothing to suggest a Bini ancestry

samuk:
Zik story has been presented the way it was written, why shot the messager.

Zik's story is not a material used in the academic community. Researched texts is what is used not some tales by the moonlight. You Bini people should worry about your extinct language

They prey on gullible and inferior minded western peripheral Igbo to grow their little chiefdom and rack up some political influence to their own selfish interest. Egypt will never rise again !!

Bini will never grow bigger than it is today , rather it will keep reducing. You lot need to understand that time changes and this influence so many factors that might favour you or not. If I were you I would be very nice to the Igbos because your unimaginable will happen , eventually.

IDENNAA:
Not so fast. You believe an obvious fabrication because it makes you feel good but when they Yoruba boys pull the same card you cry blue murder. You are a disgusting hypocrite...Bini my a.ss. You people are mischievous as a devil.

Bleep Zik and his unlettered grand parents...Bring a historian forth! Zik story is a mockery to students of history and anybody that believes it is a miserable and pitiful. You Bini people are shameless including your little god, Oba Akhenzua II. Onicha Ado has absolutely nothing to suggest a Bini ancestry

If you are accusing Zik of fabrication, the question any sane person would like to know is, why would the great Zik of Africa, first president of Nigeria fabricate his history and what did he stand to gain after attaining the highest pinnacle of governance in Nigeria.

What does this great man stand to gain to fabricate his history in retirement after he had achieved everything achievable and possible in life and in Nigeria.

IDENNAA:
Bini will never grow bigger than it is today , rather it will keep reducing. You lot need to understand that time changes and this influence so many factors that might favour you or not. If I were you I would be very nice to the Igbos because your unimaginable will happen , eventually.

Rome, Athens, Istanbul are all smaller than they used to be, why should Benin be different. Assuming you even get the gist.

IDENNAA:
They prey on gullible and inferior minded western peripheral Igbo to grow their little chiefdom and rack up some political influence to their own selfish interest. Egypt will never rise again !!

You guys are very funny, your brother, Osagyefo98 came here and wanted to use the Name of Zik to gloat and raise his shudders over Benin because of the role Zik played in the actualization of the Mid West region.

He even accused the Benin of hating Zik and that Zik will be regretting in his grave.

Your brother was told that no one hate Zik in the entire mid west and he was reminded not to raise his shudders and gloat too much because we see Zik as one of our own and I provided prove in Zik's own voice.

You are now angry that I have wiped the shine off your faces, because you wanted us to celebrate Zik's help as Igbo help to mid west, Zik's Benin ancestral lineage just spoil everything.

Zik's role in the actualization of mid west is seen as help from a son of the soil and son of the Oba of Benin. So deal with it.

samuk:
If you are accusing Zik of fabrication, the question any sane person would like to know is, why would the great Zik of Africa, first president of Nigeria fabricate his history and what did he stand to gain after attaining the highest pinnacle of governance in Nigeria.

What does this great man stand to gain to fabricate his history in retirement after he had achieved everything achievable and possible in life and in Nigeria.

I , personally, don't agree the Owelle Osowa-Anya believed that Bini ancestry. Rather , I have a big problem with Bini revisionists masturbating on the lame story because you want Onicha so badly because of our culture , commerce and strategic position. It ' d be much easier for you to claim Igbanke and Agbor than Onicha. But , again , Agbor has been heavily Igbonized and their Obi is pissed...lmao

samuk:
You guys are very funny, your brother, Osagyefo98 came here and wanted to use the Name of Zik to gloat and raise his shudders over Benin because of the role Zik played in the actualization of the Mid West region.

He even accused the Benin of hating Zik and that Zik will be regretting in his grave.

Your brother was told that no one hate Zik in the entire mid west and he was reminded not to raise his shudders and gloat too much because we see Zik as one of our own and I provided prove in Zik's own voice.

You are now angry that I have wiped the shine off your faces, because you wanted us to celebrate Zik's help as Igbo help to mid west only, Zik's Benin ancestral lineage just spoil everything.

Zik's role in the actualization of mid west is seen as help from a son of the soil and son of the Oba of Benin. So deal with it.

Igbo people are very republican minded and we don't always follow the same line of argument....I will debate the guy you call my brother and make his argument look stupid. I don't jump on bandwagon I do not understand it's mission.

Half of the time , Osagyefo is writing gibberish...intelligent guy but argues but yaps alot of nonsense.

IDENNAA:
I , personally, don't agree the Owelle Osowa-Anya believed that Bini ancestry. Rather , I have a big problem with Bini revisionists masturbating on the lame story because you want Onicha so badly because of our culture , commerce and strategic position. It ' d be much easier for you to claim Igbanke and Agbor than Onicha. But , again , Agbor has been heavily Igbonized and their Obi is pissed...lmao

What is this? Damaged control? After insulting the great Zik, his grandmother and the entire people of Onitsha.

If Zik didn't believe what he wrote, why did he write and publish it. Whether you guys like it or not, it's now part of Zik's history.

The question still remains, why would Zik fabricate his history in retirement after achieving every thing possible in life, after getting to the level majority of you and members of your families that are insulting him, will never attain.

Holler when you can present facts that proves Zik was correct.

IDENNAA:
Holler when you can present facts that proves Zik was correct.

Are you sure you will be able to handle the facts.

The truth starts from the Benin meaning of the title, Agboghidi/agbogidi of Obi of Onitsha himself. Then the Benin Eben, traditional sword of authority he carrys, I am not sure any other traditional rulers use it in Igbo land.

You only need to follow Zik autobiography and the traditional sword back into Anioma to know those with Benin kingship.

Anyway, we are not going to turn this thread into Benin/Igbo relationship thread. You guys can create another thread for that purpose.

IDENNAA:
Holler when you can present facts that proves Zik was correct.

They are two possibilsm of the origin of eze chima


1. He was a migrant from an already established mornachy from the delta igbo region
2). A few benin migrant who crossed the niger and established the mornachy and were later assimilated by the indigenous language


Number is mostly likely to be possible the closest state to onitsha is delta state not just ddlta state delta igbo, it was the delta igbos from delta state that crossed to establish onitsha in the east that why them mornachy retain the edo tradition and mainted the igbo name eze chima the world Onicha can also be found in the east


I dont know why our igbos brothers are fighting reality here


We can't change the past, we only accept it and learn from it

samuk:
Are you sure you will be able to handle the facts.

The truth starts from the Benin meaning of the title, Agboghidi/agbogidi of Obi of Onitsha himself. Then the Benin Eben, traditional sword of authority he carrys, I am not sure any other traditional rulers use it in Igbo land.

You only need to follow Zik autobiography and the traditional sword back into Anioma to know those with Benin kingship.

Anyway, we are not going to turn this thread into Benin/Igbo relationship thread. You guys can create another thread for that purpose.

If you were any smarter than I thought then I would have you know that Bini once used the ancient Igbo days of week before they created one after the arrival of the whites. Uhrobo , Igala etc also practice some ideas they learned from the Igbo yet we knew better not to base that on common ancestry. Before who share bother exchange ideas but that is never a pointer to shared ancestry.

Have you ever wondering why in spite of all the story about Onicha Bini ancestry nobody has ever presented facts ? Its because they don't exist. Onicha has no single factor we could use to verify the purported Bini ancestry. The eben could be borrowed, so was the Iyasele title , Esogba etc but these were very dismissive materials holds no weight for scrutiny.

In Anambra , we have a variant of Agbogidi, Ogalagidi of Aguleri. I told you Bini is very young. You actually borrowed many things from Nri. Many traditional rulers in SE carries eben. Not a big deal....Bini were not the first to make swords

samuk:
You think Zik and his grandmother didn't know about Nri when Zik wrote his autobiography.

Did any Benin person force Zik to write what he wrote, did Zik even say he went to Benin to do his research.

Zik quoted his grandmother, how old do you think Zik's grandmother would have been considering that Zik was born in 1904.

If you decided to look the history back logically, Zik grandmother would have certainly be born in the late 1700s or sometimes in the 1800s, few generations from when Oba Esigie that Zik grandmother mentioned ruled Benin.

Do you even realised that during the 2019 Onitsha Ofala festival, the Onitsha youths, both men and women came out in Benin traditional attire, I guess you are not even from Onitsha.

Benin culture was fully represented.

What makes you guys think you know the history of Zik's lineage and Onitsha people more than Zik.

Like I said before we shouldn't start discussing Benin relationship with various Igbo tribes on this thread.

Benin empire interacted with almost every tribes in southern and middle belt Nigeria.

https://www.nairaland.com/5466682/onitsha-ofala-festival-obi-onitsha#83046283

You don't win an argument by creating same argument you are fighting against.

Not possible.

IDENNAA:
If you were any smarter than I thought then I would have you know that Bini once used the ancient Igbo days of week before they created one after the arrival of the whites. Uhrobo , Igala etc also practice some ideas they learned from the Igbo yet we knew better not to base that on common ancestry. Before who share bother exchange ideas but that is never a pointer to shared ancestry.

Have you ever wondering why in spite of all the story about Onicha Bini ancestry nobody has ever presented facts ? Its because they don't exist. Onicha has no single factor we could use to verify the purported Bini ancestry. The eben could be borrowed, so was the Iyasele title , Esogba etc but these were very dismissive materials holds no weight for scrutiny.

In Anambra , we have a variant of Agbogidi, Ogalagidi of Aguleri. I told you Bini is very young. You actually borrowed many things from Nri. Many traditional rulers in SE carries eben. Not a big deal....Bini were not the first to make swords

Lol, i heard this before from an igbo guy but i ignored him


I just want to say something we have islamic calender, roman calender
If the igbo introduced this calender to us in the early nigeria

How did we know eken day( the days reserved for the spirit) in Olds, how we know when to celebrate igue during every end if the year


Benins in ancient times always had thier market days and i dont think it was something particularly to igbo or benins alone but every west africa tribe.......

Because nollywood made it know doesn't change the fact that it is indigenous to the world


If you go to ghana and say shit like this them go comot your teeth

Like I told you , people who share borders have a high rate to exchange cultural ideas. If your people were so numerous and influential we would have seen that in your region. All we see are borrowed traditions.

You want to believe Zik's story so quickly but you conveniently ignored the accounts of appointed anthropologists who documented the what they observed and were told when they arrived the Niger.

Didn't your Oba borrow cassock from the Portuguese?

IDENNAA:
If you were any smarter than I thought then I would have you know that Bini once used the ancient Igbo days of week before they created one after the arrival of the whites. Uhrobo , Igala etc also practice some ideas they learned from the Igbo yet we knew better not to base that on common ancestry. Before who share bother exchange ideas but that is never a pointer to shared ancestry.

Have you ever wondering why in spite of all the story about Onicha Bini ancestry nobody has ever presented facts ? Its because they don't exist. Onicha has no single factor we could use to verify the purported Bini ancestry. The eben could be borrowed, so was the Iyasele title , Esogba etc but these were very dismissive materials holds no weight for scrutiny.

In Anambra , we have a variant of Agbogidi, Ogalagidi of Aguleri. I told you Bini is very young. You actually borrowed many things from Nri. Many traditional rulers in SE carries eben. Not a big deal....Bini were not the first to make swords

And yet you accused Osagyefo98 of writing gibberish.

The truth is the highest ranking Igbo traditional ruler is the Obi of Onitsha, whether you admit that he is a Benin descendant or a returnee refugee from Benin as you would like to believe, he is still your highest ranking traditional ruler.