Janosky:


Bros, why you dey deceive yourself and dodge the point.

Genesis 49:3
Reuben,you are my firstborn.. the beginning of my procreative strength"
("the beginning of creation " Rev3:14, is Reuben the Originator of the Father's procreation strength?)


Rev 3:14 Jesus. " the beginning of the creation of God"

Mark 13:19 " the beginning of the creation which God made..."
Col 1:15 , Jesus "the firstborn of every creature"

What is the point here?
Revelation 3:14 " the beginning of the creation of God
Or:
Mark 13:19 " the beginning of the creation which God made...'

Rev 3:14 and Mark 13:19, both expressions MEAN the same thing= the first creation by God.
(and Genesis 49:3) "the beginning of my procreative strength" gives SOLID PROOF that
Freshboi88 claim for Revelation 3:14 "the Source the Originator is FRAUD.

I ask you again, Bros:
Based on your claim for Rev 3:14 , In Gen 49:3, (Deut 21:17) Is Reuben the Source /Originator of the Father's procreation strength?
Reply is vital to this discussion.

This is exactly what has been said over and over again. Quoting scriptures, inserting your own words, meaning and intent. That is dangerous.

You quoted Genesis 49:3

Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

And you inserted the word procreative which wasn't in the original text. Aren't you dangerous with this acts?

The Hebrew word used there is koach used 160 times in OT and it all meant might, strength, power, no single use as procreative. Why did you insert procreation. That is a personal meaning not godly inspired. And you have the boldness to use it as a defence. God dey watch you in 3D.

Kindly explain this, because this is very bad and dangerous.
Even though @freshboi88 has giving you a proper follow up explanation, I don't think you deserve any explanation knowing fully well that you deliberately manipulated the bible to sway him.

Which original word in that verse turned to procreative, Janosky, small small o.

Adakintroy2:


He who loves have fulfill all the scriptures. That's what you should have said. Now abide faith hope and love but the greatest is love.

Weather they be knowledge they will cease. But love never fail. This are your line if thoughts

What critics don't know is when God's word is undergoing fulfilment, there must be antagonists!

Moses and many other prophets until John the baptist foretold the coming of Christ, but when he finally arrived how many Jews recognized him? {Matthew 16:13-17} even some who followed him because of the miracles he was performing decided to leave and never to return to him! John 6:66

When the Christ finished his earthly mission and return to heaven, God used his holy spirit at Pentecost to anoint only Jesus' followers, even when Peter (filled with the spirit)was explaining to them that another prophecy is undergoing fulfilment {Act 2:16-21 compare to Joel 2:28} only few Jews grasp it

So what blurred the senses of critics from acknowledging the fulfilment of what is happening in their presence? Is it not arguments based on the same scriptures?
Mark 9:14

That's why i keep asking them to present another unique group that's performing like Jehovah's Witnesses!

Janosky:


Bros, why you dey deceive yourself and dodge the point.

Genesis 49:3
Reuben,you are my firstborn.. the beginning of my procreative strength"
("the beginning of creation " Rev3:14, is Reuben the Originator of the Father's procreation strength?)


Rev 3:14 Jesus. " the beginning of the creation of God"

Mark 13:19 " the beginning of the creation which God made..."
Col 1:15 , Jesus "the firstborn of every creature"

What is the point here?
Revelation 3:14 " the beginning of the creation of God
Or:
Mark 13:19 " the beginning of the creation which God made...'

Rev 3:14 and Mark 13:19, both expressions MEAN the same thing= the first creation by God.
(and Genesis 49:3) "the beginning of my procreative strength" gives SOLID PROOF that
Freshboi88 claim for Revelation 3:14 "the Source the Originator is FRAUD.

I ask you again, Bros:
Based on your claim for Rev 3:14 , In Gen 49:3, (Deut 21:17) Is Reuben the Source /Originator of the Father's procreation strength?
Reply is vital to this discussion.

This is exactly what has been said over and over again. Quoting scriptures, inserting your own words, meaning and intent. That is dangerous.

You quoted Genesis 49:3

Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

And you inserted the word procreative which wasn't in the original text. Aren't you dangerous with this acts?

The Hebrew word used there is koach used 160 times in OT and it all meant might, strength, power, no single use as procreative. Why did you insert procreation. That is a personal meaning not godly inspired. And you have the boldness to use it as a defence. God dey watch you in 3D.

Kindly explain this, because this is very bad and dangerous.
Even though @freshboi88 has giving you a proper follow up explanation, I don't think you deserve any explanation knowing fully well that you deliberately manipulated the bible to sway him.

Which original word in that verse turned to procreative, Janosky, small small o.

@Adakintroy2
Should we embrace this and smile it away Sir?

Maximus69:


What critics don't know is when God's word is undergoing fulfilment, there must be antagonists!

Moses and many other prophets until John the baptist foretold the coming of Christ, but when he finally arrived how many Jews recognized him? {Matthew 16:13-17} even some who followed him because of the miracles he was performing decided to leave and never to return to him! John 6:66

When the Christ finished his earthly mission and return to heaven, God used his holy spirit at Pentecost to anoint only Jesus' followers, even when Peter (filled with the spirit)was explaining to them that another prophecy is undergoing fulfilment {Act 2:16-21 compare to Joel 2:28} only few Jews grasp it

So what blurred the senses of critics from acknowledge the fulfilment of what is happening in their presence? Is it not arguments based on the same scriptures?
Mark 9:14

That's why i keep asking them to present another unique group that's performing like Jehovah's Witnesses!

hupernikao:


This is exactly what has been said over and over again. Quoting scriptures, inserting your own words, meaning and intent. That is dangerous.

You quoted Genesis 49:3

Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

And you inserted the word procreative which wasn't in the original text. Aren't you dangerous with this acts?

The Hebrew word used there is koach used 160 times in OT and it all meant might, strength, power, no single use as procreative. Why did you insert procreation. That is a personal meaning not godly inspired. And you have the boldness to use it as a defence. God dey watch you in 3D.

Kindly explain this, because this is very bad and dangerous.
Even though @freshboi88 has giving you a proper follow up explanation, I don't think you deserve any explanation knowing fully well that you deliberately manipulated the bible to sway him.

Which original word in that verse turned to procreative, Janosky, small small o.

@Adakintroy2
Should we embrace this and smile it away Sir?

Hupernikao is not interested in the truth and you will be exposed....
Hupernikao is here to MISLEAD people.
Hebrew koach is NOT Hebrew Owni= Strength.
Abeg geroutta here..

You are here to shift attention away from the point freshboi88 have not grasped yet.

Genesis 49:3 Strength= power (in the loins= procreative power), virility... ability (to procreate).

freshboi88:


Y dont u answer my question oga.

If doctrine has blinded you so much, u can't understand anything nymore. Let's take it one step at a time

Is Jesus part of God's creature?

Yes !
The firstborn of every creature, the firstborn of every living being.
A creature is a living being , you got it?

Bros,calm down. We will get there...

freshboi88:



The Word is a Spirit Being not a person. The source, origin and beginning of God's creation

Very good !
Thanks for your response...
Let's kindly answer this question and we will move forward:

Bros, why you dey deceive yourself and dodge the point.

Genesis 49:3
" the BEGINNING of my procreative strength"
In this Scripture, what is meaning of "the BEGINNING" ?

Mark 13:19, " the beginning of the creation which God created"
In this Scripture,what is the meaning of "the BEGINNING"

Bros, Thanks in advance for your response.

TATIME:


At least he is able to discern that the fruit is what Paul listed in the Bible book of Galatians 5:22-23
And he is able to apply it to what he is seeing amongst Jehovah's Witnesses!
I think that's commendable!

From what I have observed about JW from my interactions with them, they have a vast knowledge of the bible. But they are not spiritual.
And we know through scriptures that the letter kills, it's the spirit that gives life.

Because they even deny the person of the Holyspirit who is the Power of God, calling him a force instead of a Person.

2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

Without the Holyspirit, you are religious and do not have the eternal life of Christ.

pressplay411:


From what I have observed about JW from my interactions with them, they have a vast knowledge of the bible. But they are not spiritual.
And we know through scriptures that the letter kills, it's the spirit that gives life.

Because they even deny the person of the Holyspirit who is the Power of God, calling him a force instead of a Person.

2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

Without the Holyspirit, you are religious and do not have the eternal life of Christ.

You have tried but learn how to apply God's word in a practical sense.

BELIEVE connotes TRUST, meaning those who believe in someone or something must display a level of trust in whom/what they believe. James 2:18-26

It's not about lips service {Matthew 15:8} if you believe in someone or something people around you should see how your Faith is working.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses have a Faith that is working out the nine qualities of God's holy spirit in their midst! Galatians 5:22-23 compare to Matthew 7:15-20

So whose form of worship is denying the power of God's holy spirit in the practical sense? Those whose form of worship is producing the fruit or those whose form of worship is bearing no fine fruit?

@ Hebrew 4:12 Apostles Paul said the word of God is powerful enough to change your mind and that's the only way to improve your personality! Ephesians 4:24

pressplay411:


From what I have observed about JW from my interactions with them, they have a vast knowledge of the bible. But they are not spiritual.
And we know through scriptures that the letter kills, it's the spirit that gives life.

Because they even deny the person of the Holyspirit who is the Power of God, calling him a force instead of a Person.

2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

Without the Holyspirit, you are religious and do not have the eternal life of Christ.

Jehovah's Witnesses pray for the assistance of God's holy spirit, we preach, teach, work and congregate in a orderly manner by the help of God's holy spirit, you yourself even acknowledged that we have vast knowledge of God's word and that's another sign of the presence of God's holy spirit.
So in this case that we both claim to believe in God's holy spirit, the only way to know the one denying it's power is through activities!
If you truthfully believe in God's holy spirit and you know/have it, there is no way you people can fail to produce the fruitage! James 2:26

TATIME:


At least he is able to discern that the fruit is what Paul listed in the Bible book of Galatians 5:22-23
And he is able to apply it to what he is seeing amongst Jehovah's Witnesses!
I think that's commendable!

I think you need a remedial to understand anything.
It's not about knowing and quoting the scriptures, if you don't manifest it, you have nothing. Same way it's not about pastors preaching miracles, if they can't perform it, they have nothing.

The only fruit JW members bear is their ability to drink beer to a stupor, their unforgiveness to offenses, ability to hold grudges and keep malice, laziness, gluttony, stubborness, lack of team spirit, unbending to authorities, stinginess, argumentative, insultive, the list goes on.
The only reason you go for evangelism is to fulfil righteousness not because you have any love for souls.

There's no fruit of the spirit in you. That's why it's head knowledge you have and that has puffed you up like the pharisees.

Myer:


I think you need a remedial to understand anything.
It's not about knowing and quoting the scriptures, if you don't manifest it, you have nothing. Same way it's not about pastors preaching miracles, if they can't perform it, they have nothing.

The only fruit JW members bear is their ability to drink beer to a stupor, their unforgiveness to offenses, ability to hold grudges and keep malice, laziness, gluttony, stubborness, lack of team spirit, unbending to authorities, stinginess, argumentative, insultive, the list goes on.
The only reason you go for evangelism is to fulfil righteousness not because you have any love for souls.

There's fruit of the spirit in you. That's why it's head knowledge you have and that has puffed you up like the pharisees.

Thanks for the observation and remarks!

I'm certain that others too will have something to say about Jehovah's Witnesses organization, so yours in noted.
Thanks!

TATIME:


Thanks for the observation and remarks!

I'm certain that others too will have something to say about Jehovah's Witnesses organization, so yours in noted.
Thanks!

Oh bro Tatime, why not ask about Islam and Muslims [the religion Myer said had the most accurate account "Qur'an"]?

TATIME:


Why not explain what (the only begotten son) means?

Your explanation has changed the meaning of John 1:3. John under the guidance of the Holy Spirit said Everything was created through Jesus. And Nothing was created without him.

I ask can u provide the scripture that says "Apart
from Jesus every other thing was created through Jesus". You can use Ur own Jehovah witness bible.....Quote it here pls

TATIME:


Jehovah's Witnesses pray for the assistance of God's holy spirit, we preach, teach, work and congregate in a orderly manner by the help of God's holy spirit, you yourself even acknowledged that we have vast knowledge of God's word and that's another sign of the presence of God's holy spirit.
So in this case that we both claim to believe in God's holy spirit, the only way to know the one denying it's power is through activities!
If you truthfully believe in God's holy spirit and you know/have it, there is no way you people can fail to produce the fruitage! James 2:26

Your explanation has changed the meaning of John 1:3. John under the guidance of the Holy Spirit said Everything was created through Jesus. And Nothing was created without him.

I ask can u provide the scripture that says "Apart
from Jesus every other thing was created through Jesus". You can use Ur own Jehovah witness bible.....Quote it here pls

Janosky:


Hupernikao is not interested in the truth and you will be exposed....
Hupernikao is here to MISLEAD people.
Hebrew koach is NOT Hebrew Owni= Strength.
Abeg geroutta here..

You are here to shift attention away from the point freshboi88 have not grasped yet.

Genesis 49:3 Strength= power (in the loins= procreative power), virility... ability (to procreate).

All this explanation makes no meaning, they re ur interpretation. Give us scripture.

I have told you that begining is equal to source or originator. And I can give you scriptures not interpretations to back up why I said so.if u need these scriptures ask for it for your own learning and satisfaction.

On the flip side, John 1:3. John under the guidance of the Holy Spirit said Everything was created through Jesus. And Nothing was created without him.

I ask can u provide the scripture that says "Apart
from Jesus every other thing was created through Jesus". You can use Ur own Jehovah witness bible.....Quote it here pls

Maximus69:


Oh bro Tatime, why not ask about Islam and Muslims [the religion Myer said had the most accurate account "Qur'an"]?

If you've read the synopic gospels you would have seen the many errors in the bible. How they not only conflicted but contradicted each other. The genealogy of Jesus, the selection of the 12 disciples, the number of people who visited the tomb, the ressurection, the many other errors.

Acts of Apostles also gives a different account of the conversion of Paul from the way he ecplaied it in Romans to Agrippa.

While the Quran has its own errors, atleast it was more careful than the bible which os why they argue less than Christians. The bible leaves too many rooms for conflicting translations and interpretations.
Even the process of conversion is an argument.
Some claim you have to confess your sins before putting your faith in Jesus, some say you just have to believe and confess Jesus as your lord and saviors. Others say you don't have any part to play in it since you did not play any part in Adam's sin so like wise just believe in the finished work of Christ.

About eternal salvation, that's another ambiguity.
About whether Jesus is God or the Son of God we see another ambiguity just as this thread has exposed.

The difference between us is simple. You don't want to admit to the contradictions in the bible because you have been indoctrinated that your life depends on it being God's word and so it just has to be true no matter how glaringly the errors stare at you.

You're no different from a woman in an abusive relationship who will keep making up excuses for her batterer until he finally kills her.

Do you still want to argue which is more accurate?

Myer:


If you've read the synopic gospels you would have seen the many errors in the bible. How they not only conflicted but contradicted each other. The genealogy of Jesus, the selection of the 12 disciples, the number of people who visited the tomb, the ressurection, the many other errors.

Acts of Apostles also gives a different account of the conversion of Paul from the way he ecplaied it in Romans to Agrippa.

While the Quran has its own errors, atleast it was more careful than the bible which os why they argue less than Christians. The bible leaves too many rooms for conflicting translations and interpretations.
Even the process of conversion is an argument.
Some claim you have to confess your sins before putting your faith in Jesus, some say you just have to believe and confess Jesus as your lord and saviors. Others say you don't have any part to play in it since you did not play any part in Adam's sin so like wise just believe in the finished work of Christ.

About eternal salvation, that's another ambiguity.
About whether Jesus is God or the Son of God we see another ambiguity just as this thread has exposed.

The difference between us is simple. You don't want to admit to the contradictions in the bible because you have been indoctrinated that your life depends on it being God's word and so it just has to be true no matter how glaringly the errors stare at you.

You're no different from a woman in an abusive relationship who will keep making up excuses for her batterer until he finally kills her.

Do you still want to argue which is more accurate?

Jesus said God's word "Bible" is the TRUTH! John 17:17
Here you're saying what Jesus referred to as TRUTH is contradicting, yet you're still trying to argue that the same Jesus is God Almighty shey?
So you believe that God Almighty is deluded abi?

You don't have a problem Sir!

Myer:


If you've read the synopic gospels you would have seen the many errors in the bible. How they not only conflicted but contradicted each other. The genealogy of Jesus, the selection of the 12 disciples, the number of people who visited the tomb, the ressurection, the many other errors.

Acts of Apostles also gives a different account of the conversion of Paul from the way he ecplaied it in Romans to Agrippa.

While the Quran has its own errors, atleast it was more careful than the bible which os why they argue less than Christians. The bible leaves too many rooms for conflicting translations and interpretations.
Even the process of conversion is an argument.
Some claim you have to confess your sins before putting your faith in Jesus, some say you just have to believe and confess Jesus as your lord and saviors. Others say you don't have any part to play in it since you did not play any part in Adam's sin so like wise just believe in the finished work of Christ.

About eternal salvation, that's another ambiguity.
About whether Jesus is God or the Son of God we see another ambiguity just as this thread has exposed.

The difference between us is simple. You don't want to admit to the contradictions in the bible because you have been indoctrinated that your life depends on it being God's word and so it just has to be true no matter how glaringly the errors stare at you.

You're no different from a woman in an abusive relationship who will keep making up excuses for her batterer until he finally kills her.

Do you still want to argue which is more accurate?

Argue wetin again?

Abeg Mr Myer

You don win the case, God win~Korede Bello

TATIME:


Argue wetin again?

Abeg Mr Myer

You win the case, God win~Korede Bello

I don surrender to Professor Myer o!

No further argument!

Maximus69:


Jesus said God's word "Bible" is the TRUTH! John 17:17
Here you're saying what Jesus referred to as TRUTH is contradicting, yet you're still trying to argue that the same Jesus is God Almighty shey?
So you believe that God Almighty is deluded abi?

You don't have a problem Sir!

I'm just simply pointing to the many errors. And if you have any idea with integrity test is, you will admit to the the contradictions.

That's not even supposed to be up for argument.

TATIME:


Argue wetin again?

Abeg Mr Myer

You don win the case, God win~Korede Bello

I don't argue blindly like religiously people do. I highlight the facts like i just did.
If you like wise don't just swallow hook line and sinker what you're taught but study the bible yourself you will see the many errors.

Myer:


I'm just simply pointing to the many errors. And if you have any idea with integrity test is, you will admit to the the contradictions.

That's not even supposed to be up for argument.

Mr Myer, let me help you with just one illustration.

You have a father who gave birth to so many children, some are at home but many have traveled abroad, your father now called you and warned you that there are infidels/impostors who do claim to be his children as well.
So he revealed to you identifying marks that will help you recognize his children everywhere you go, but you're confused about certain things daddy said because the marks are much.
Will you just conclude that your father is a confusionist after meeting several people claiming they're his children but contradicting themselves, or you'll concentrate on IDENTIFYING MARKS that people you meet have in common?

I've told you that there is just one group of people worshiping the one and only true God, they're the only people who understands what's written in God's word, all the identifying marks God presented is found in their midst, they speak and teach the same thing everywhere you find them!

Yet you're here arguing that the Bible is full of contradictions, when the book itself has declared that "people from different races will struggle to know what the book is saying but they will not grasp it, and it's only a unique group that will granted the wisdom to understand it, and not only understand but also perform excellently in what is written in the book"! Daniel 12:10; Matthew 7:21-23

Come on, do you expect people who don't understand the book to speak in harmony or produce the fruit expected of those who understand?

I was a Muslim by birth and i can tell you that instead of arguing amongst themselves the way Churchgoers does, Muslims do slaughter one another over the Qur'an.

Go to the middle East and see how different religious groups claiming Muslims are slaughtering one another due to the contradictions in their midst!

Sunnis and Shiites is a perfect example!

freshboi88:



1)
All this explanation makes no meaning, they re ur interpretation. Give us scripture.

I have told you that begining is equal to source or originator. And I can give you scriptures not interpretations to back up why I said so.if u need these scriptures ask for it for your own learning and satisfaction.

2)
On the flip side, John 1:3. John under the guidance of the Holy Spirit said Everything was created through Jesus. And Nothing was created without him.

I ask can u provide the scripture that says "Apart
from Jesus every other thing was created through Jesus". You can use Ur own Jehovah witness bible.....Quote it here pls

1).

Bros,why you dey do like this?
Did you actually read the screenshots you saw there and you are still making this claim again?
Haba !!!!

Genesis 49:3 why would you that FALSELY claim that "the BEGINNING...." is Originator/Source?
Mark 13:19 & Rev3:14, why would you claim that " the BEGINNING...." is Originator/ Source?

In these 3 Scriptures, "the BEGINNING" can NEVER be Originator /Source..

Bros, stop LYING... abeg.


2.

* 1 Cor 8:6**
" Yet there is for us only one God, the Father, who is the CREATOR OF ALL THINGS and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom we live."
Hebrews 1:1-2.

Jesus Christ the firstborn of EVERY CREATURE is a creature. Simple language,no maggi no pepper.

Bros, Did Jesus create his Father ?

I done see your somersaults for the other thread.
Please go back to that thread and LEARN !

Shalom.

Maximus69:


You have tried but learn how to apply God's word in a practical sense.

BELIEVE connotes TRUST, meaning those who believe in someone or something must display a level of trust in whom/what they believe. James 2:18-26

It's not about lips service {Matthew 15:8} if you believe in someone or something people around you should see how your Faith is working.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses have a Faith that is working out the nine qualities of God's holy spirit in their midst! Galatians 5:22-23 compare to Matthew 7:15-20

So whose form of worship is denying the power of God's holy spirit in the practical sense? Those whose form of worship is producing the fruit or those whose form of worship is bearing no fine fruit?

@ Hebrew 4:12 Apostles Paul said the word of God is powerful enough to change your mind and that's the only way to improve your personality! Ephesians 4:24

This is a very impractical claim. How can you say only JW bear the fruit of the spirit?
That's very laughable. I'm speechless at this point.
Even the missionaries that spread the gospel to this part of the world won't denominationalize the fruit of the spirit.

pressplay411:


This is a very impractical claim. How can you say only JW bear the fruit of the spirit?
That's very laughable. I'm speechless at this point.
Even the missionaries that spread the gospel to this part of the world won't denominationalize the fruit of the spirit.

You're not far from God's Kingdom with the bolded!

Now think of this if what those claiming missionaries spread was the real gospel, how come this qualities were missing in all the places they established their religion?
LOVE, JOY , PEACE, PATIENCE, GENTLENESS, GOODNESS FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23
Please how come there is nowhere people claiming Christians gather without forces like Politics and Racism causing divisions amidst so called believers?

Well it's when Jehovah's Witnesses came that we now see that true Christians can't keep malice with neighbours because they must preach and teach in the neighbourhood. You and i can testify to the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses are the most peaceful in our neighbourhood!

Can you travel to any part of the earth and feel at home simply because you're in the midst of people taught by those missionaries?
For your information, i can follow you to your own village and believe me i'll be treated as if i'm home if Jehovah's Witnesses are in your village!

Is that not how Christians in the first century do welcome one another with love?

So what exactly have those so called missionaries come to teach people if their teachings doesn't yield the same result?

Sorry those so called missionaries were just politicians disguised to enslave our people back then, the religion they brought was only to weaken our political system and nothing more!

Janosky:


Hupernikao is not interested in the truth and you will be exposed....
Hupernikao is here to MISLEAD people.
Hebrew koach is NOT Hebrew Owni= Strength.
Abeg geroutta here..

You are here to shift attention away from the point freshboi88 have not grasped yet.

Genesis 49:3 Strength= power (in the loins= procreative power), virility... ability (to procreate).

Most times, i dont want to conclude you are deliberately lying, i want to assume you havent study well as the reason for your wrong commentary and bible quotation. But dont let me assume that when you speak lies you just speak of your own natural ability.

I made reference to what you quoted. See below

Genesis 49:3 NWT (which is your translation)
Reuben, you are my firstborn.. the beginning of my procreative strength"

Genesis 49:3 KJV and over 26 other translation
3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

Hebrews Translation
ראובן בכרי אתה כחי וראשׁית אוני יתר שׂאת ויתר עז׃

Firstly note:
Four keywords were used:
Might, Strength, Dignity, Power >>> might (koach), strength (owni) dignity (nasa), power (azaz). A direct transliteration of your translation from Hebrew, should show you that what you lifted out from the original to translate as procreative are (might, dignity and power) because the word strength was maintained in your translation.

But in Hebrew OT lexicon, non of koach (might), dignity (nasa), power (azaz) was translated as procreative any where in its entire books. But you used it to push a point that is not scriptural. Is "might" same as "procreative", or "power" as "procreative", or "dignity" as "procreative".

Secondly,
The word translated as strength (owni) was used only once in the entire OT, go and study your word origin well and not use already adjusted translations or books. Even the biblehub.com that you used confirmed what i am saying but you arent patient enough to read it well and check how it was used. Check the right-hand side of the biblehub page you extracted and study well there.

Genesis 49:3 used owni
Psalms 78:51 used ownim
Psalm 105:36 used ownam
Hosea 12:8 used own
Job 40:16 used wə·’ō·nōw

All these never carried same meaning. But you want to convert ownim to owni for convenience.

The word used in Genesis 49:3 only occurred once in the entire bible and it never translate to procreative. It is a convenience translation that will turn owni to ownim. It is like turning the word "ho" to "hon" in Greek, You would have changed the entire meaning.

So, my friend, dont let learning be hard for you. And calling me names wont change anything. It is either you are pushed to further studies or you stop lifting scriptures out of its context here.

By the way, do you know THE TRUTH as you mentioned?

Myer:


I'm just simply pointing to the many errors. And if you have any idea with integrity test is, you will admit to the the contradictions.

That's not even supposed to be up for argument.

The seemingly contradiction in interpretation of the scriptures doesnt change the divinity of its inspiration.

Seemingly contradiction in interpretation is not peculiar to the scriptures, it is general issue in any literature read in the absence of its author.

Man always have opinions in all interpretation just like interpreting the constitution or in a law court. While some seek the real intent behind the writings some want to make gain or derail others from finding its original intent. In all, God's inspired purpose are revealed when you seek for it without selfish desires.

hupernikao:


Most times, i dont want to conclude you are deliberately lying, i want to assume you havent study well as the reason for your wrong commentary and bible quotation. But dont let me assume that when you speak lies you just speak of your own natural ability.

I made reference to what you quoted. See below

Genesis 49:3 NWT (which is your translation)
Reuben, you are my firstborn.. the beginning of my procreative strength"

Genesis 49:3 KJV and over 26 other translation
3 Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power:

Hebrews Translation
ראובן בכרי אתה כחי וראשׁית אוני יתר שׂאת ויתר עז׃

Firstly note:
Four keywords were used:
Might, Strength, Dignity, Power >>> might (koach), strength (owni) dignity (nasa), power (azaz). A direct transliteration of your translation from Hebrew, should show you that what you lifted out from the original to translate as procreative are (might, dignity and power) because the word strength was maintained in your translation.

But in Hebrew OT lexicon, non of koach (might), dignity (nasa), power (azaz) was translated as procreative any where in its entire books. But you used it to push a point that is not scriptural. Is "might" same as "procreative", or "power" as "procreative", or "dignity" as "procreative".

Secondly,
The word translated as strength (owni) was used only once in the entire OT, go and study your word origin well and not use already adjusted translations or books. Even the biblehub.com that you used confirmed what i am saying but you arent patient enough to read it well and check how it was used. Check the right-hand side of the biblehub page you extracted and study well there.

Genesis 49:3 used owni
Psalms 78:51 used ownim
Psalm 105:36 used ownam
Hosea 12:8 used own
Job 40:16 used wə·’ō·nōw

All these never carried same meaning. But you want to convert ownim to owni for convenience.

The word used in Genesis 49:3 only occurred once in the entire bible and it never translate to procreative. It is a convenience translation that will turn owni to ownim.

Hupernikao ,LIAR....
Congratulations

Janosky:



Hupernikao ,LIAR....
Congratulations

What they all wanted is for you as a JW to tell them "your religion is OK" anything you say that signify their faith is dead will attract provocation, and the only way out for them is to start arguing profusely even though their conscience is bearing them witness that they could have easily trashed what they're arguing for on a normal day!
So far it's against Jehovah's Witnesses (those who kicked against their religion) they're ready to argue blindly!

hupernikao:


The seemingly contradiction in interpretation of the scriptures doesnt change the divinity of its inspiration.

Seemingly contradiction in interpretation is not peculiar to the scriptures, it is general issue in any literature read in the absence of its author.

Man always have opinions in all interpretation just like interpreting the constitution or in a law court. While some seek the real intent behind the writings some want to make gain or derail others from finding its original intent. In all, God's inspired purpose are revealed when you seek for it without selfish desires.

The difference in interpretation is human, I get that. But I wasn't referring to that alone. But that the bible itself contradicts itself. Except you claim that not all scriptures is inspired by God which would also contradict 2 Timothy 3:16 and 2 Peter 1:21

This blog does more justice than I can start to list. The blogger went the extra mile to list the contradictory verses too.
Take your time to confirm the quoted scriptures.

Cc Maximus69

https://mobile.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/50-000-Errors-and-Biblical-contradictions-190303

Janosky:



Hupernikao ,LIAR....
Congratulations

Why displaying improper attitude coupled with inability to read properly. Shouldn't be a hard thing for you to keep study above speaking.

You are making allegations yet without prove. I gave you what to reference, showed you the directions of your mistake or deliberate manipulation. Nothing was said about that than abuse. Are you a politicians? You seem to act like one.