Emusan:


And the same ALL THINGS are THROUGH JESUS does not exclude Jesus...FIXED!

Is it not the same ALL THINGS that came from the Father that also PASS THROUGH JESUS?

No, something passed through the Father too , which make the scripture says the ALL THINGS CAME THROUGH THE FATHER - Romans 11:29
Jesus must be the work of his hands to claim that Glory.

Gen 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING God created the Heavens and the earth

I've explained the usage of the womb in that verse.

From your own confused organization translation the cited scripture for Job 38:8 are Psalms 33:7 "He gathers the seawaters like a dam; (a) He puts the surging waters in storehouses." and Prov 8:29 "When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order, (a) When he established* the foundations of the earth,"

Look at the two bracket (a) it's a marginal reference guess where it referenced? Genesis 1:9

Yet you deluded people have been trying to shift the event of Job outside the SIX CREATIVE DAYS!

You are a Liar . Devil is your mentor

That was cited for part A: doors for the sea.

Not its coming from WOMB

You can bring from womb what is already in existence. Womb is an act of creation.

Answer my question first!

And I will answer your question.

Is Jesus God the Son in eternity ?

Emusan:


Author has broader meaning but does it negate a writer being an Author as you claimed in your post?

Lying liar like your father the devil.

You still dont learn.

A writer can only be an author when he can claim legal responsibility for the work which makes him the owner of the writes piece of information.

This men in the Bible cannot claim ownership for the content.

When will you have sense ?

Idiot address my point:

ALL THINGS (Jesus included) came from the Father....
The same ALL THINGS (Jesus included) pass through Jesus!

Then it also means NOT ALL THINGS pass THROUGH Jesus Christ, if Jesus is excluded....and it means God is lying to us!

But what did the scripture says?

It says just as ALL THINGS CAME FROM THE FATHER, ALL THINGS ALSO are THROUGH JESUS!

Lying liar JWs.

All things are also THROUGH the Father .

What came through the Father ?

Tueh!

Which verse are you referring to before I know what to say?



SEAS not Waters

Just as I explained to your deluded brother up, SEAS was used to show the violent gathering of the WATERS before DRY LAND (which includes cornerstone) appears.


The whole earth was covered with WATERS which is very calm and mild.


In fact, the plausible explanation is that, since Angels were not there when HEAVENS AND THE EARTH were created, they will be so surprised and astonished to have seen how a great body of WATERS rose up in violent way to pave way for DRY LAND TO APPEAR.

This witness alone will be such a thing of joy for the angels, had it been they witness the CREATION OF HEAVENS AND THE EARTH in Gen 1:1 There's nothing there for them to surprise because you will agree with me that creation of HEAVEN alone will surpass that of earth in thousand time.

You must died in your ignorance!

Where did the waters come from , are they created ? Yes.

Been brought from womb is an act of creation.

Janosky:


Matthew 28:18
Jesus said to them:
"All authority have been given to me in heaven and on the earth"
Na Jesus Christ talk am, do you believe his statement?

Who gave Jesus Christ the authority everywhere?

Rev 17:14 = Matthew 28:18. That's how to study the Bible with understanding.

I have answered your question.

Please answer the 6 Bible based questions.
I know you have spiritual knowledge of heavenly things in the Bible.

Don't DODGE , Please.

Janosky' have 6 questions to ask you:

Let's see how honest you are and test your integrity .....

Bros, Please answer questions 1 to 6.

1)
Isaac is One and only ,begotten son.
How is Isaac the one and only begotten son ?

2)
Don't you think Isaac's begotten son status meant something , the same as Jesus one and only begotten status ?

3)
Now we go know whether you really love Jesus.
Whose God and whose Father is Jesus Christ ascending to?

4)
When he was on earth,who did Jesus Christ instruct you to worship?

5)
Rev1:1, in heaven, God gave Jesus the Revelation , who did God's Revelation to Jesus says you should worship?

6)
1 Cor8:5, who are the Lords and Theos in heaven and earth?

Before you attack me or my post,please answer the 6 questions... grin

Oshe gaan.

The six questions will expose him.

Emusan himself is still struggling to wrap creation of the waters in the sea to Genesis 1. while avoiding the Son of God discussion like plague

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Jozzy4:
No, something passed through the Father too , which make the scripture says the ALL THINGS CAME THROUGH THE FATHER - Romans 11:29
Jesus must be the work of his hands to claim that Glory.

Now you've jumped to Roman

How does the ALL THINGS(Jesus included) who came from the Father different from ALL THINGS (Jesus included) through Jesus?

Is it the same ALL THINGS that passed through the Father that ALSO PASSED through Jesus or the are different?

You are a Liar . Devil is your mentor

That was cited for part A: doors for the sea.

Not its coming from WOMB

You can bring from womb what is already in existence. Womb is an act of creation.

See the face of a liar once again,

So how can a sea that happened in SIX CREATIVE DAYS suddenly came to existence later?

Like I said, ignorance couple with lies are the main problem that you people have.

I've showed you that Job 38 was part of the SIX CREATIVE DAYS yet your deluded mind couldn't grasp it.

Is Jesus God the Son in eternity ?

What is the rationale behind a created beings exist in ETERNITY?

Only an eternal being can exists in ETERNITY, do you mean both Jesus and the Angels are eternal?

These are the questions I've been asking you idiots since!

Emusan:


Now you've jumped to Roman

How does the ALL THINGS(Jesus included) who came from the Father different from ALL THINGS (Jesus included) through Jesus?

Is it the same ALL THINGS that passed through the Father that ALSO PASSED through Jesus or the are different?

Father and Jesus are different persons .

Something Passed through the Father which made him the one through whom all things came . Who or what was made through the Father ?

See the face of a liar once again,

So how can a sea that happened in SIX CREATIVE DAYS suddenly came to existence later?

Like I said, ignorance couple with lies are the main problem that you people have.

I've showed you that Job 38 was part of the SIX CREATIVE DAYS yet your deluded mind couldn't grasp it.

Can you create what already exists ?

What is the rationale behind a created beings exist in ETERNITY?

Only an eternal being can exists in ETERNITY, do you mean both Jesus and the Angels are eternal?

These are the questions I've been asking you idiots since!

The entire live in eternity was coined by you. So deal with it , Jehovah , Jesus and the angels precede creation. Of heaven and earth , so that made them all in your eternity . are Jesus and the angels not all Sons ( creations) of this Father.?


The question now is : Is Jesus God the son in this eternity ?

Jozzy4:
You still dont learn.

A writer can only be an author when he can claim legal responsibility for the work which makes him the owner of the writes piece of information.

This men in the Bible cannot claim ownership for the content.

When will you have sense ?

You're still twisting your own source....

I know you will never have sense till you die

All things are also THROUGH the Father .

What came through the Father ?

Tueh!

So how does ALL THINGS which come through the Father different from ALL THINGS that come through Jesus?

Where did the waters come from , are they created ? Yes.

Another display of ignorance!
The creation of earth in Gen 1:1 contains the WATERS, why the SEAS is the product of the SIX CREATIVE DAYS

Get that into your empty skull

Been brought from womb is an act of creation.

So which one came first, the creation of the heavens and the earth Gen 1:1 or the six creative days?

because if seas which is a product of six creative days (which your confused organization attested to) suddenly came out of womb again then it's either you lack understanding of that verse or you just decided to be a perpetual liar like your father devil.

Janosky:

Your claim "God create Jesus through Jesus" is your own. Na you talk am.
Your claim doesn't exist in the NWT.
Please don't make your false claims and attribute it to Jehovah's witnesses.
In the other thread, I wrote "Bros,calm down. That's from me to you. In the other thread,i will address your questions. We have not concluded our chat.
Shalom.

what's the NWT?

Emusan:


You're still twisting your own source....

I know you will never have sense till you die

No reply .. Nice one. Next time dont make that blunder again. There is human writers not human authors for the Bible. Good you are learning

So how does ALL THINGS which come through the Father different from ALL THINGS that come through Jesus?

FATHER and Jesus are different persons .. If one of them came through the other . then the statement is valid.

But if none of them came through another but are separate , Then what exactly came through the Father too ?

Another display of ignorance!
The creation of earth in Gen 1:1 contains the WATERS , why the SEAS is the product of the SIX CREATIVE DAYS

Get that into your empty skull



So which one came first, the creation of the heavens and the earth Gen 1:1 or the six creative days?

because if seas which is a product of six creative days (which your confused organization attested to) suddenly came out of womb again then it's either you lack understanding of that verse or you just decided to be a perpetual liar like your father devil.

I said it , You lack knowledge .

Psalm 104:5,6

He has established the earth on its foundations ( the foundations mentioned in Job 38 . You see your life) ... YOU COVERED IT WITH DEEP WATERS as with a garment . The waters stood above the mountains

So the waters was made AFTER he established the earth on its foundations together with mountains created also within the waters .

So The water was BIRTH after God laid the foundation of the earth ! Job 38 is correct the events precede Creative days.

Jozzy4:
Father and Jesus are different persons .

Something Passed through the Father which made him the one through whom all things came . Who or what was made through the Father ?

Didn't something PASSED THROUGH Jesus also?

What is the difference between ALL THINGS that passed through the Father from ALL THINGS that passed through Jesus?

You didn't answer that as you stylishly boycotted it.

Liar!

Can you create what already exists ?

You will soon shot yourself in the foot!

No!

The entire live in eternity was coined by you. So deal with it , Jehovah , Jesus and the angels precede creation. Of heaven and earth , so that made them all in your eternity . are Jesus and the angels not all Sons ( creations) of this Father.?

Liar like his father the devil...

You're trying to confuse us but I'm smarter than you and I won't allow that to happen.

I asked, where was Jesus and the angels live since heaven hasn't been created? And we all know that ALL CREATED BEINGS need a SPACE TO OCCUPY

Your deluded brother says with the Father, then he asked me where was the Father before heaven was created which I reply ETERNITY!

He can't object this since the scripture attest to it that the Father lives in eternity.

And we also know that ONLY AN ETERNAL BEING lives in ETERNITY!

Now since you people claimed both Jesus and the Angels joined the Father in ETERNITY?

It then means they are all ETERNAL too, I know you can't with this, yet you still want us to agree with your shallow mind that BOTH CREATED JESUS and The Angels were all EXIST before the CREATION OF HEAVENS.

The question now is : Is Jesus God the son in this eternity ?

You haven't answered my question until then I'll answer you.

Emusan:


Didn't something PASSED THROUGH Jesus also?

What is the difference between ALL THINGS that passed through the Father from ALL THINGS that passed through Jesus?

We know what passed through Jesus . but what passed through the Father himself .. Jesus ?

Or was scripture lying the Father made something without using Jesus ?

You didn't answer that as you stylishly boycotted it.

Liar!



You will soon shot yourself in the foot!

No!

So Job 38 cannot refer to creative days . Job 38 mention birth of the waters that fill the sea.

Liar like his father the devil...

You're trying to confuse us but I'm smarter than you and I won't allow that to happen.

I asked, where was Jesus and the angels live since heaven hasn't been created? And we all know that ALL CREATED BEINGS need a SPACE TO OCCUPY

Your deluded brother says with the Father, then he asked me where was the Father before heaven was created which I reply ETERNITY!

He can't object this since the scripture attest to it that the Father lives in eternity.

And we also know that ONLY AN ETERNAL BEING lives in ETERNITY!

Now since you people claimed both Jesus and the Angels joined the Father in ETERNITY?

It then means they are all ETERNAL too, I know you can't with this, yet you still want us to agree with your shallow mind that BOTH CREATED JESUS and The Angels were all EXIST before the CREATION OF HEAVENS.



You haven't answered my question until then I'll answer you.

You are not smart , Barrister was playing hide and seek with you

Show me where it says the Father LIVES in eternity ?

Then we come back to was Jesus God the son then ?

I love where we are in this discussion

Jozzy4:
No reply .. Nice one. Next time dont make that blunder again. There is human writers not human authors for the Bible. Good you are learning

Your own source was there for everyone to see how a lying liar can never repent. So I don't need to waste my time on that.

FATHER and Jesus are different persons .. If one of them came through the other . then the statement is valid.

But if none of them came through another but are separate , Then what exactly came through the Father too ?

Tell us the ALL THINGS that came through the Father that was different from ALL THINGS that came through Jesus.

Stop being stupid and next time if you don't answer question(s) never ask me any question.

I said it , You lack knowledge .

Psalm 104:5,6

He has established the earth on its foundations ( the foundations mentioned in Job 38 . You see your life) ... YOU COVERED IT WITH DEEP WATERS as with a garment . The waters stood above the mountains

So the waters was made AFTER he established the earth on its foundations together with mountains created also within the waters .

So The water was BIRTH after God laid the foundation of the earth ! Job 38 is correct the events precede Creative days.

In case you forget let me remind you again,

Job 38 was part of the six creative days not part of the first CREATION of Gen 1:1

I showed you that the marginal reference your confused organization cited was Gen 1:9 which happens under the six creative days! So Job 38 perfectly fits into the six creative days not the FIRST CREATION of Gen 1:1

Which I even attached a quote of your deluded organization that shows Gen 1:1 is totally different from the six creative days!

Evidently, Job 38 can't be part of Gen 1:1

So, there is ONLY ONE EVENT THAT HAPPENED AT THE BEGINNING which is Genesis 1:1 for "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth"

So both Jesus, (angels since you liar have added that), and heavens and the earth can both be created in the beginning unless you will agree that they were all created SIMULTANEOUSLY

Bible told us what was CREATED in the BEGINNING it's lying liar like you, the twister of the word of God that says No! Bible was wrong, Jesus and Angels were first created.

freshboi88:


Hahahaha .. Lair


There is a gargantuan problem with the identification of Jesus with Michael. The Book of Jude says:


But when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, " The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9).


Michael is obviously not the Lord. He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Jesus has no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord.

Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Then the Devil left Him, and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him (Matthew 4:10,11).


Michael is the highest of the angels - an order of created beings. He is one of the angels, he is not the Creator of the angels as the Bible says that Jesus is.

for by Him all things in heaven and on earth were created, things visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or powers - all things have been created through Him and for Him (Colossians 1:16).


In addition, Michael is called one of the chief princes.

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persia (Daniel 10:13).

This means that he is one of a group of princes. We do not know how large the group is, but he is not in a class by himself. The Bible says that Jesus is the unique Son of God.

No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made Him known (John 1:18).

In all that you typed up there the bone of contention is where Jude point to the conversation where Michael said to Satan "may Jehovah rebuke you"

But most trinitarians translated that passage as "the Lord rebuke you" because that's the way they've been mistranslating Jehovah as "The Lord" in the Old Testament.

According to the NWT Psalms 110:1 the word of God says "The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is sit at my right hand"
But KJV rendered the same verse as "The Lord said to my Lord"

So my friend, as i've always told you, you need to calm down when making your points, it's better you make strong points that cheap arguments based on misinformation!

You can compare for yourself how the KJV and NWT rendered the same verse below!

Emusan:


Your own source was there for everyone to see how a lying liar can never repent. So I don't need to waste my time on that.

Like I said , Good u are learning

Tell us the ALL THINGS that came through the Father that was different from ALL THINGS that came through Jesus.

Stop being stupid and next time if you don't answer question(s) never ask me any question.

Romans 11:39 all things came from him , THROUGH HIM and For him.

The difference is What came through the Father included Jesus and everything else from Jesus .

If you look at that " FOR HIM " it included Jesus because Jesus belong to the Father too being his creation.

But in the case of Jesus when it says all things are through him and for him . it doesnt include the Father.

In case you forget let me remind you again,

Job 38 was part of the six creative days not part of the first CREATION of Gen 1:1

I showed you that the marginal reference your confused organization cited was Gen 1:9 which happens under the six creative days! So Job 38 perfectly fits into the six creative days not the FIRST CREATION of Gen 1:1

Which I even attached a quote of your deluded organization that shows Gen 1:1 is totally different from the six creative days!

Evidently, Job 38 can't be part of Gen 1:1

So, there is ONLY ONE EVENT THAT HAPPENED AT THE BEGINNING which is Genesis 1:1 for "In the BEGINNING God created the heavens and the earth"

So both Jesus, (angels since you liar have added that), and heavens and the earth can both be created in the beginning unless you will agree that they were all created SIMULTANEOUSLY

Bible told us what was CREATED in the BEGINNING it's lying liar like you, the twister of the word of God that says No! Bible was wrong, Jesus and Angels were first created.

Calm down, Job 38 mentioned the Creation of the waters that fill the sea. Contrary to your lies that earth automatically has water . the Bible saysit was God that covered it with water after he has established its foundation. ( the same foundation of the earth itself the angels witness at Job 38 4-7 )

Genesis creative days never included the birth of waters of the sea.

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

The final scripture that will expose your lies is Romans 11:39 . Something or someone was made THROUGH God the Father . without Jesus.

What exactly is that person or thing ?

freshboi88:


I have opened Ur eyes already in my response.

The brain washing they gave you ehn e strong o.

Brainwashing that's benefiting all those who truthfully dedicated their lives to it, whereas you that's claiming you're not brainwashed can't point to a single benefit that adherents of you perfect doctrines are enjoying!

Na wa o!

Jozzy4:
We know what passed through Jesus . but what passed through the Father himself .. Jesus?

I've told you never you ask question when you didn't answer my question first!

What are the THINGS that passed through Jesus if you know?

ALL THINGS(Jesus included-acxording to you) THROUGH THE FATHER now the scripture says the SAME ALL THINGS passed through Jesus.

Isn't this an evidence that Jesus was the one who created Himself?

Or was scripture lying the Father made something without using Jesus?

We should ask you this, you're the one who claimed!
1. Father created Jesus first
2. Then Jesus was used to create other things

But what did scripture say?

The Bible says, ALL THINGS (Jesus included-according to you) from Father passed through Jesus! Isn't this evident that Jesus passed through Himself?

So Job 38 cannot refer to creative days . Job 38 mention birth of the waters that fill the sea.

Waoooooo Mr delusion.

Waters FILL THE SEA again

Firstly, you lied and I've been trying to correct you but you're very stubborn to correction.

Job didn't mention WATERS but SEAS which is the reason I even went further to explain the meaning of the choice words used by both JOB and Genesis

Job fits into the six creative days because the USAGE of seas shows different from the body of WATERS GOD CREATED SEAS from in Gen 1:1

It was in Gen 1:10 that God called the gathering of the waters SEAS and according to STRONG the meaning of seas deals with violent which is what Job 38 alluded to because Job 38 says "BURST OUT" this is an act of force or violent.

You are not smart , Barrister was playing hide and seek with you

Only children play hide and seek which is the evidence that you people are not intelligent.

You just confirmd my point

Show me where it says the Father LIVES in eternity ?

Who, The Bible or your deluded brother?

Then we come back to was Jesus God the son then ?

I love where we are in this discussion

Just know that you haven't answered my question yet

Jozzy4:


Isaac is an only begotten son, does that mean Isaac wasn't born like every other sons ?


The term " Son of God " is for created beings

Oga truth will always triumph over your lies.

Now Learn.....if not for the fact that I am opening your eyes to the truth, you would have paid me for teaching u.

John 3:16 teaches that Jesus is God's "only begotten Son" (King James Version). What does this mean?

The Greek term translated "only begotten" is monogenes, a word used nine times in the New Testament that can mean one of a kind or unique. For example, Luke uses the term three times to refer to an only child (Luke 7:12; 8:42; 9:38).

The writer of Hebrews uses the term to refer to Isaac, the only son of Abraham and Sarah, the son of the promise (Hebrews 11:17). Modern translations generally translate monogenes in John 3:16 as "one and only Son" or "only Son" to reflect this definition.


But does this mean Jesus was somehow born or created by God the Father? It does not. Instead, the emphasis is on Jesus as one in unique relationship with the Father. The Bible often uses Father and Son with God and Jesus to explain their relationship in terms we can better understand as humans, but this does not mean Jesus was created by God the Father.

Other passages in the Bible make this very clear. For example, John 1:1-3 states, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." Colossians 1:15-17 also emphasizes Jesus creating all things.

The use of monogenes in John 3:16 is similar to what is seen in other passages of Scripture to refer to Jesus as unique. For example, John 1:14 shares, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:18 includes, "No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known." John 3:18 adds, "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." First John 4:9 notes, "In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him."


I have given you supporting verses to backup for u to see that the bible cannot lie. If ur story is not consistent throughout scripture, then it is wrong.

Now I ask u, contradict this is scripture and stop going round in circles

You people are all dancing like a headless chicken because you are trying to fit Jesus in the story..remove him and see how simple it becomes..Jesus is not needed for anything . Never was..

He is just a Roman creation to deceive people with feeble minds..and send them in a wrong directon...don't fall for it.. Deuteronomy 6:4. And Isaiah 45:1-10

Emusan:


I've told you never you ask question when you didn't answer my question first!

What are the THINGS that passed through Jesus if you know?

ALL THINGS(Jesus included-acxording to you) THROUGH THE FATHER now the scripture says the SAME ALL THINGS passed through Jesus.

Isn't this an evidence that Jesus was the one who created Himself?



We should ask you this, you're the one who claimed!
1. Father created Jesus first
2. Then Jesus was used to create other things

But what did scripture say?

The Bible says, ALL THINGS (Jesus included-according to you) from Father passed through Jesus! Isn't this evident that Jesus passed through Himself?



Waoooooo Mr delusion.

Waters FILL THE SEA again

Firstly, you lied and I've been trying to correct you but you're very stubborn to correction.

Job didn't mention WATERS but SEAS which is the reason I even went further to explain the meaning of the choice words used by both JOB and Genesis

Job fits into the six creative days because the USAGE of seas shows different from the body of WATERS GOD CREATED SEAS from in Gen 1:1

It was in Gen 1:10 that God called the gathering of the waters SEAS and according to STRONG the meaning of seas deals with violent which is what Job 38 alluded to because Job 38 says "BURST OUT" this is an act of force or violent.



Only children play hide and seek which is the evidence that you people are not intelligent.

You just confirmd my point



Who, The Bible or your deluded brother?



Just know that you haven't answered my question yet

That barrister has run away since I tackled him on his lies that Jesus is Angel Micheal. He ran away.

I am schooling jozzy now on only begotten. Irs not their fault o. Watch Tower has constantly fed them lies since they were born. But salvation and truth has come to them through this thread.

Them go wise by fire by force

Jozzy4:
Like I said , Good u are learning

Liar who claimed a writer can't be an Author when the source that himself quoted says otherwise.

Romans 11:39 all things came from him , THROUGH HIM and For him.

Now you're getting more confused.

The same ALL THINGS were created THROUGH HIM and for HIM... that's Jesus!

There must be a competition between the The Father and Jesus since they're struggling who will win this ALL THINGS!

The difference is What came through the Father included Jesus and everything else from Jesus .

If you look at that " FOR HIM " it included Jesus because Jesus belong to the Father too being his creation.

BUT ALL THINGS CREATED was also for HIM Jesus which which means Jesus belongs to HIMSELF

This is getting interesting!

But in the case of Jesus when it says all things are through him and for him . it doesnt include the Father.

Don't divert our attention to another thing.

If ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM--That is Jesus! According to your logic it means Jesus belongs to HIMSELF.

That's the point!

because you're trying to include Jesus in ALL THINGS that came from the Father but EXCLUDED the same Jesus from the SAME ALL THINGS that passed through Him!

Calm down, Job 38 mentioned the Creation of the waters that fill the sea. Contrary to your lies that earth automatically has water . the Bible saysit was God that covered it with water after he has established its foundation. ( the same foundation of the earth itself the angels witness at Job 38 4-7 )

Genesis creative days never included the birth of waters of the sea.

I've corrected your ignorance in my post above.

Job didn't use WATERS but seas

Lying liar...

sonmvayina:
You people are all dancing like a headless chicken because you are trying to fit Jesus in the story..remove him and see how simple it becomes..Jesus is not needed for anything . Never was..

He is just a Roman creation to deceive people with feeble minds..and send them in a wrong directon...don't fall for it.. Deuteronomy 6:4. And Isaiah 45:1-10

Is there any wrong direction?

I thought you said there is nothing like judgment and that everyone will gradually overcome it all whether they're good or evil!

So what do you mean by WRONG DIRECTION again?

Maximus69:


Brainwashing that's benefiting all those who truthfully dedicated their lives to it, whereas you that's claiming you're not brainwashed can't point to a single benefit that adherents of you perfect doctrines are enjoying!

Na wa o!

No benefit can come from lies and deceit as well as deliberate manipulation of the Word of God. Stop deceiving urself.

Jesus is Angel Micheal....hahahahahahaha. Bros go slap who ever taught u that lie, the person no mean u good o.

But the question I ask myself even if them lie give can't u find out the truth urself?...The bible is there. How do I know that Jesus and Angel are not the same , are not in the same class?......I know because it is there in the bible.

May God forgive u ur sin. You shut the doors of heaven to urselfs by teaching wrong doctrine and also prevent others from entering also because u brainwash other people.

Take heed today. That's the message God has for u today

Maximus69:


Is there any wrong direction?

I thought you said there is nothing like judgment and that everyone will gradually overcome it all whether they're good or evil!

So what do you mean by WRONG DIRECTION again?

You are worshipping a god created in the image and likeness of a man,something that God forbids in the 2nd commandment...by doing so you are committing idolatry.something God hates....Jesus is not needed for anything..God was already forgiving sins in the old testament..he never demanded for a human sacrifice...

freshboi88:



That barrister has run away since I tackled him on his lies that Jesus is Angel Micheal. He ran away.

I am schooling jozzy now on only begotten. Irs not their fault o. Watch Tower has constantly fed them lies since they were born. But salvation and truth has come to them through this thread.

Them go wise by fire by force

The problem here is these people are united in FAITH throughout the earth while you and everyone else coming up to argue against them are divided and have nothing in common apart from antagonizing them!

There are over 40,000 religious groups claiming Christians worldwide with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings, all you people just want to here is "Jesus is Lord" that's all.

But how does Jesus organize his followers to make people of the nations see the light in them?

You guys trash that only to become emergency preachers whenever you see Jehovah's Witnesses because they refused to welcome interfaith!

sonmvayina:


You are worshipping a god created in the image and likeness of a man,something that God forbids in the 2nd commandment...by doing so you are committing idolatry.something God hates....Jesus is not needed for anything..God was already forgiving sins in the old testament..he never demanded for a human sacrifice...

And so?

Maximus69:


Is there any wrong direction?

I thought you said there is nothing like judgment and that everyone will gradually overcome it all whether they're good or evil!

So what do you mean by WRONG DIRECTION again?

Leave this man, oga Jesus is Angel Micheal.............

First convince everyone first why Jesus is Angel Micheal.

Maximus69:


And so?

There's no difference bw what somvayima is saying and Ur Jehovah Witness teaching nah. What is the difference?....He is saying we worship Jesus, tht Jesus is nothing...we should discard him. So what's d difference?

Maximus69:


And so?

That is what the problem is...remove Jesus from the story..he is not needed...he is just a distraction. Focus on God and his laws..

Then this thread would have terminated in the first page..

freshboi88:


No benefit can come from lies and deceit as well as deliberate manipulation of the Word of God. Stop deceiving urself.

Jesus is Angel Micheal....hahahahahahaha. Bros go slap who ever taught u that lie, the person no mean u good o.

But the question I ask myself even if them lie give can't u find out the truth urself?...The bible is there. How do I know that Jesus and Angel are not the same , are not in the same class?......I know because it is there in the bible.

May God forgive u ur sin. You shut the doors of heaven to urselfs by teaching wrong doctrine and also prevent others from entering also because u brainwash other people.

Take heed today. That's the message God has for u today

But that's what the one and only group coming to knock on my door taught me from my own Bible!

Why are you guys not coming like they do?

At least Jesus sent his followers to go and meet people IN THEIR HOMES, so if you're nowhere to be found unless on faceless social media, how do you hope to teach me to become a fully competent and completely equipped preacher and teacher when i can't even see how you're doing it?

Maximus69:


The problem here is these people are united in FAITH throughout the earth while you and everyone else coming up to argue against them are divided and have nothing in common apart from antagonizing them!

There are over 40,000 religious groups claiming Christians worldwide with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings, all you people just want to here is "Jesus is Lord" that's all.

But how does Jesus organize his followers to make people of the nations see the light in them?

You guys trash that only to become emergency preachers whenever you see Jehovah's Witnesses because they refused to welcome interfaith!

12What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas b ”; still another, “I follow Christ.”

The division over different leaders did not start today, it started from the days of the apostles. It is bibilical.

In those verses what is the uniting factor for these people is Jesus Christ. Because he is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Who do u follow?

Maximus69:


But that's what the one and only group coming to knock on my door taught me from my own Bible!

Why are you guys not coming like they do?

At least Jesus sent his followers to go and meet people IN THEIR HOMES, so if you're nowhere to be found unless on faceless social media, how do you hope to teach me to become a fully competent and completely equipped preacher and teacher when i can't even see how you're doing it?

This thread is meeting it's goal. Maximum is accepting the truth myself and Emusan has showed him from scripture.

See don't believe lies. Can u give me scripture where Jesus was going from house to house preaching to people or any of the Apostles?