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Maximus69:
But that's what the one and only group coming to knock on my door taught me from my own Bible!

Why are you guys not coming like they do?

At least Jesus sent his followers to go and meet people IN THEIR HOMES, so if you're nowhere to be found unless on faceless social media, how do you hope to teach me to become a fully competent and completely equipped preacher and teacher when i can't even see how you're doing it?

Show me the scripture where Jesus said go and meet people in their homes

Maximus69:
In all that you typed up there the bone of contention is where Jude point to the conversation where Michael said to Satan "may Jehovah rebuke you"

But most trinitarians translated that passage as "the Lord rebuke you" because that's the way they've been mistranslating Jehovah as "The Lord" in the Old Testament.

According to the NWT Psalms 110:1 the word of God says "The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is sit at my right hand"
But KJV rendered the same verse as "The Lord said to my Lord"

So my friend, as i've always told you, you need to calm down when making your points, it's better you make strong points that cheap arguments based on misinformation!

You can compare for yourself how the KJV and NWT rendered the same verse below!

New International Version
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

New Living Translation
But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses’ body.)

English Standard Version
But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

Berean Study Bible
But even the archangel Michael, when he disputed with the devil over the body of Moses, did not presume to bring a slanderous charge against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Berean Literal Bible
But Michael the archangel, when he was reasoning with the devil, disputing about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring against him a blasphemous judgment, but he said "The Lord rebuke you."

New American Standard Bible
But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

New King James Version
Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

King James Bible
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Christian Standard Bible
Yet when Michael the archangel was disputing with the devil in an argument about Moses's body, he did not dare utter a slanderous condemnation against him but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

Contemporary English Version
Even Michael, the chief angel, didn't dare to insult the devil, when the two of them were arguing about the body of Moses. All Michael said was, "The Lord will punish you!"

Good News Translation
Not even the chief angel Michael did this. In his quarrel with the Devil, when they argued about who would have the body of Moses, Michael did not dare condemn the Devil with insulting words, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Yet Michael the archangel, when he was disputing with the Devil in a debate about Moses' body, did not dare bring an abusive condemnation against him but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

International Standard Version
Even the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil and fought over the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him. Instead, he said, "May the Lord rebuke you!"

NET Bible
But even when Michael the archangel was arguing with the devil and debating with him concerning Moses' body, he did not dare to bring a slanderous judgment, but said, "May the Lord rebuke you!"

New Heart English Bible
But Michael, the archangel, when contending with the devil and arguing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him an abusive condemnation, but said, "May the Lord rebuke you."


Why is it tht it is only Ur translation that that changed it to Jehovah. What did I tell u.manipulation of scripture to suit their interpretation.

But the bone of contention here is that Jesus on the other hand rebuked Satan speaking his own words

Luke 4 :And Jesus answered and said to him, [e]“Get behind Me, Satan! [f]For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”


Angel Micheal couldn't rebuke Satan on his own accord. He drew the power from the Lord. Juxtapose this with Christ, he spoke with his own authority. Get behind me, Satan and Satan disappeared.

Tell yourself the truth nah............

freshboi88:
New International Version
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

New Living Translation
But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, “The Lord rebuke you!” (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses’ body.)

English Standard Version
But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

Berean Study Bible
But even the archangel Michael, when he disputed with the devil over the body of Moses, did not presume to bring a slanderous charge against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

Berean Literal Bible
But Michael the archangel, when he was reasoning with the devil, disputing about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring against him a blasphemous judgment, but he said "The Lord rebuke you."

New American Standard Bible
But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

New King James Version
Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

King James Bible
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Christian Standard Bible
Yet when Michael the archangel was disputing with the devil in an argument about Moses's body, he did not dare utter a slanderous condemnation against him but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

Contemporary English Version
Even Michael, the chief angel, didn't dare to insult the devil, when the two of them were arguing about the body of Moses. All Michael said was, "The Lord will punish you!"

Good News Translation
Not even the chief angel Michael did this. In his quarrel with the Devil, when they argued about who would have the body of Moses, Michael did not dare condemn the Devil with insulting words, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Yet Michael the archangel, when he was disputing with the Devil in a debate about Moses' body, did not dare bring an abusive condemnation against him but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

International Standard Version
Even the archangel Michael, when he argued with the devil and fought over the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him. Instead, he said, "May the Lord rebuke you!"

NET Bible
But even when Michael the archangel was arguing with the devil and debating with him concerning Moses' body, he did not dare to bring a slanderous judgment, but said, "May the Lord rebuke you!"

New Heart English Bible
But Michael, the archangel, when contending with the devil and arguing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him an abusive condemnation, but said, "May the Lord rebuke you."


Why is it tht it is only Ur translation that that changed it to Jehovah. What did I tell u.manipulation of scripture to suit their interpretation.

But the bone of contention here is that Jesus on the other hand rebuked Satan speaking his own words

Luke 4 :And Jesus answered and said to him, [e]“Get behind Me, Satan! [f]For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”


Angel Micheal couldn't rebuke Satan on his own accord. He drew the power from the Lord. Juxtapose this with Christ, he spoke with his own authority. Get behind me, Satan and Satan disappeared.

Tell yourself the truth nah............

Because they're the one and only group that Jesus (Michael) revealed the secret to {Daniel 12:8-10} and that's why they're the one and only organization that's able to do God's will which is
Stop well meaning, honest hearted and sincere people from learning wars or killing one another! Isaiah 2:2-4

The Bible called Jesus the Prince of Peace and if not because they're working with Michael the Prince of Peace there is no way they can make Peace reign in the midst of people from different races and tongues! Isaiah 9:6-7

I can remember Jesus said something about tree and fruit {Matthew 7'?:15-20} so Jehovah's Witnesses Organization is that tree that's producing the fruit of God's holy spirit! Galatians 5:22-23

freshboi88:
Show me the scripture where Jesus said go and meet people in their homes

Matthew 10:12

freshboi88:
This thread is meeting it's goal. Maximum is accepting the truth myself and Emusan has showed him from scripture.

See don't believe lies. Can u give me scripture where Jesus was going from house to house preaching to people or any of the Apostles?

Act 5:42;20:20

freshboi88:
12What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas b ”; still another, “I follow Christ.”

The division over different leaders did not start today, it started from the days of the apostles. It is bibilical.

In those verses what is the uniting factor for these people is Jesus Christ. Because he is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Who do u follow?

Then how come you people today aren't in the same religious group if you obey the scriptures?

Jehovah's Witnesses globally are in one group and they believe any other group is fake, but you guys unanimously are saying Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong yet you're in different groups practicing different doctrines?

sonmvayina:
That is what the problem is...remove Jesus from the story..he is not needed...he is just a distraction. Focus on God and his laws..

Then this thread would have terminated in the first page..

OK we're saying hell NO! so?

Maximus69:
Then how come you people today aren't in the same religious group if you obey the scriptures?

Jehovah's Witnesses globally are in one group and they believe any other group is fake, but you guys unanimously are saying Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong yet you're in different groups practicing different doctrines?

I am very glad you are open minded. For Jehovah Witness to believe any other group is fake is proof that they are fake.

We might be in different denominations, but what unites us together. The believe that Jesus is Lord . The first and last, beginning and end. The King of kings and Lord of lords.

That is what is most important

freshboi88:
There's no difference bw what somvayima is saying and Ur Jehovah Witness teaching nah. What is the difference?....He is saying we worship Jesus, tht Jesus is nothing...we should discard him. So what's d difference?

NO there is a great difference but perhaps you're spiritually blind.

Jehovah's Witnesses are saying

Jehovah appointed his only begotten son (Jesus) for everyone to photocopy him in thoughts, words and actions, so that God could approve us the same way he approved Jesus. So we are meeting together teaching, practicing and encouraging one another to keep the new personality we learnt from Christ Jesus.

You guys on the other hand are saying Jesus is God with nothing to do with his personality, that's why you people can worship anywhere you see so far they're saying "Jesus is Lord" even if they're not ready to practice what Jesus laid down!


Somvayina on the other hand is saying there is no Jesus, so people should forget about him and live there lives the way they feel is right.

So between JW who believe there must be rules and regulations to quantify a person for Christian life and you who believes it's just to call Jesus "Lord" (no principles attached), who is on the same page with Somvayina?

Maximus69:
Act 5:42;20:20

Okay u win this one...but let me ask u, was it Jehovah Witness that was responsible for bringing the gospel to Africa? Or Nigeria?

Maximus69:
NO there is a great difference but perhaps you're spiritually blind.

Jehovah's Witnesses are saying

Jehovah appointed his only begotten son (Jesus) for everyone to photocopy him in thoughts, words and actions, so that God could approve us the same way he approved Jesus. So we are meeting together teaching, practicing and encouraging one another to keep the new personality we learnt from Christ Jesus.


You guys on the other hand are saying Jesus is God with nothing to do with his personality, that's why you people can worship anywhere you see so far they're saying "Jesus is Lord" even if they're not ready to practice what Jesus laid down!


Somvayina on the other hand is saying there is no Jesus, so people should forget about him and live there lives the way they feel is right.

So between JW who believe there must be rules and regulations to quantify a person for Christian life and you who believes it's just to call Jesus "Lord" (no principles attached), who is on the same page with Somvayina?

So are you saying all u need Jesus for is just to photocopy his personality?...

Meaning u don't need to accept him as Lord and Saviour?

freshboi88:
I am very glad you are open minded. For Jehovah Witness to believe any other group is fake is proof that they are fake.

We might be in different denominations, but what unites us together. The believe that Jesus is Lord . The first and last, beginning and end. The King of kings and Lord of lords.

That is what is most important

Well i was once a soldier, in the military you and i can't claim we belong to the same command when we are aiming to kill each other!

Only Jehovah's Witnesses can be said to be under the same commander because they will neither take up weapons neither will they undermine the faith that binds them with fellow adherents!

Unlike you, if you live Lagos now there is no spiritual family to welcome you elsewhere apart from your few relations that you knew or knew you. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses, i can go to anywhere under the sun and i'll be welcomed home by my spiritual family in any country i can find Jehovah's Witnesses!

So your FAITH without WORKS is dead! James 2:26

freshboi88:
Okay u win this one...but let me ask u, was it Jehovah Witness that was responsible for bringing the gospel to Africa? Or Nigeria?

What is gospel that never taught adherents to go out preaching and teaching in their neighbourhood as you've seen in the scriptures?

So what those people came to do was to steal our resources but they used false religion to cover the face of our people while they were busy stealing the wealth of Africa!

freshboi88:
So are you saying all u need Jesus for is just to photocopy his personality?...

Meaning u don't need to accept him as Lord and Saviour?

My friend stop talking like a mumungus nah!

Why must i photocopy the thoughts, words and actions of a first century young Jewish carpenter in this modern day 21 century if i have not accepted him as my personal Lord and Saviour?

Maximus69:
My friend stop talking like a mumungus nah!

Why must i photocopy the thoughts, words and actions of a first century young Jewish carpenter in this modern day 21 century if i have not accepted him as my personal Lord and Saviour?

So you accept Jesus as your Lord!!!!.....for you to accept Jesus as your Lord...are u not calling him God?

Maximus69:
What is gospel that never taught adherents to go out preaching and teaching in their neighbourhood as you've seen in the scriptures?

So what those people came to do was to still our resources but they used false religion to cover the face of our people while they were busy stealing the wealth of Africa!

Maximus69: What is gospel that never taught adherents to go out preaching and teaching in their neighbourhood as you've seen in the scriptures?

Achorladey: Is the gospel itself about teaching PEOPLE to PREACH from HOUSE to HOUSE?

Then you had mouth to say THEY STOLE your RESOURCES when you know your FOREFATHERS got numerous AIDS and still get those AIDS up till today.

Maximus69:
What is gospel that never taught adherents to go out preaching and teaching in their neighbourhood as you've seen in the scriptures?

So what those people came to do was to steal our resources but they used false religion to cover the face of our people while they were busy stealing the wealth of Africa!

Hahaha...u never cease to amaze me. So u r preaching to people who have already left their pagan worship to accepting Jesus as Lord due to the effort of Missionaries. U r reaping where u did not sow

achorladey:
Maximus69: What is gospel that never taught adherents to go out preaching and teaching in their neighbourhood as you've seen in the scriptures?

Achorladey: Is the gospel itself about teaching PEOPLE to PREACH from HOUSE to HOUSE?

Then you had mouth to say THEY STOLE your RESOURCES when you know your FOREFATHERS got numerous AIDS and still get those AIDS up till today.

Bros am making him mumu himself...he doesn't know

freshboi88:
So you accept Jesus as your Lord!!!!.....for you to accept Jesus as your Lord...are u not calling him God?

There you go again!

After seeing the practical application of the scriptures you still want to go back to the useless doctrines of the churches of Christendom that's not benefitting their followers!

There is a difference between the title
"Lord" and
"God"
Lord means someone you must obey as in do everything to please him, that's why Sarah could call Abraham "Lord"

On the other hand

God means a deity that is demanding for your loyalty. For instance Africa Gods do demand human sacrifice just like Molech in the Bible.

Sarah could challenge Abraham's decision because she willingly subjected to do his will as her "Lord", but she had no option if Abraham was her God!

In the same manner most people living on earth today don't give a damn about Jesus because only Jehovah's Witnesses are subjecting themselves willingly to him out of their freewill, otherwise there shouldn't be any living soul who won't obey Jesus as God!

freshboi88:
Bros am making him mumu himself...he doesn't know

There are many quietly following the thread, so let them see the mumu in what we are discussing!

Emusan: God is the Author of the Bible but to eliminate human author out of Bible is the height of stupidity...........@ 11:22 am April 22


Emusan : I didn't say God isn't the Author of the Bible....you can proof me wrong if I said so....my point is eliminating HUMAN AUTHOR from the scripture is the height of stupidity. That's my point!.........8: 02 am April 22

Compare with the below obtained here https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007408



THE HUMAN TOUCH

Divine inspiration did not take away a WRITER’S INDIVIDUALITY. In fact, PERSONAL EFFORT was required to pen God’s message. The writer of the Bible book of Ecclesiastes, for instance, stated that HE “SOUGHT to find the delightful words and the writing of CORRECT words of TRUTH.” (Ecclesiastes 12:10) To compile his HISTORICAL record, EZRA CONSULTED at LEAST 14 SOURCES, such as “the account of the affairs of the days of King David” and “the Book of the Kings of Judah and of Israel.” (1 Chronicles 27:24; 2 Chronicles 16:11) The Gospel writer Luke “TRACED all THINGS FROM the start with ACCURACY, to write them in LOGICAL ORDER.”​—Luke 1:3.

Some Bible books reveal facets of the writer’s personality. For example, Matthew Levi, a tax collector prior to becoming one of Jesus’ disciples, paid special attention to numbers. He is the only Gospel writer to record that the price of Jesus’ betrayal was “thirty silver pieces.” (Matthew 27:3; Mark 2:14) Luke, a physician, accurately recorded medical details. For instance, when describing the condition of some of those whom Jesus healed, he used expressions such as “high fever” and “full of leprosy.” (Luke 4:38; 5:12; Colossians 4:14) So JEHOVAH OFTEN ALLOWED WRITERS to EXPRESS THEMSELVES in THEIR OWN WORDS AND STYLE; yet, at the same time, he guided their minds so that the text was accurate and conveyed his message.​—Proverbs 16:9......................


One WOULD think Emusan don't know what he was saying when he made those comments ABOVE but checked the part I eliminated from the post made at 8:02 am April 22 below

Emusan: I do say it that, you people lack simple comprehension.

Hahahahahahaha!

freshboi88:
Hahaha...u never cease to amaze me. So u r preaching to people who have already left their pagan worship to accepting Jesus as Lord due to the effort of Missionaries. U r reaping where u did not sow

Good one!

The missionaries came to establish just one religion back then (the Catholic Church) so are you and all your cohorts Catholics today?

Through with you!

achorladey:
Maximus69: What is gospel that never taught adherents to go out preaching and teaching in their neighbourhood as you've seen in the scriptures?

Achorladey: Is the gospel itself about teaching PEOPLE to PREACH from HOUSE to HOUSE?

Then you had mouth to say THEY STOLE your RESOURCES when you know your FOREFATHERS got numerous AIDS and still get those AIDS up till today.

Maximus69:
There you go again!

After seeing the practical application of the scriptures you still want to go back to the useless doctrines of the churches of Christendom that's not benefitting their followers!

There is a difference between the title
"Lord" and
"God"
Lord means someone you must obey as in do everything to please him, that's why Sarah could call Abraham "Lord"

On the other hand

God means a deity that is demanding for your loyalty. For instance Africa Gods do demand human sacrifice just like Molech in the Bible.

Sarah could challenge Abraham's decision because she willingly subjected to do his will as her "Lord", but she had no option if Abraham was her God!

In the same manner most people living on earth today don't give a damn about Jesus because only Jehovah's Witnesses are subjecting themselves willingly to him out of their freewill, otherwise there shouldn't be any living soul who won't obey Jesus as God!

Maximus69: In the same manner MOST PEOPLE living on earth today don't GIVE A DAMN ABOUT JESUS because only Jehovah's Witnesses are subjecting themselves willingly to him out of their freewill,


Achorladey: Like seriously. It's expected, you that cannot call us your BROTHER in Christ. You should be the one that don't give a DAMN about CHRIST. Even when we told you Jesus Christ categorically states in Matthew 12: 50

For whoever DOES THE WILL of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

He even gave us access to be called HIS MOTHER when we do what...........

John 6:40 For this is the WILL OF MY FATHER, that EVERYONE who looks on the SON and BELIEVES in HIM should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

Through with you!

achorladey:
Maximus69: In the same manner MOST PEOPLE living on earth today don't GIVE A DAMN ABOUT JESUS because only Jehovah's Witnesses are subjecting themselves willingly to him out of their freewill,


Achorladey: Like seriously. It's expected, you that cannot call us your BROTHER in Christ. You should be the one that don't give a DAMN about CHRIST. Even when we told you Jesus Christ categorically states in Matthew 12: 50

For whoever DOES THE WILL of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

He even gave us access to be called HIS MOTHER when we do what...........

John 6:40 For this is the WILL OF MY FATHER, that EVERYONE who looks on the SON and BELIEVES in HIM should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

Maximus69:
Good one!

The missionaries came to establish just one religion back then (the Catholic Church) so are you and all cohorts Catholics today?

You sure don't know the history of missionary in this country. You a previous intelligence officer at that. The holiday is numerous nowadays. Find time to look into it. Missionaries didn't come to establish CATHOLIC as the ONE church alone.

Please where is my guy freshboi88?

Maximus69:
OK we're saying hell NO! so?

You guys are the ones pulling us back..we need to move forward...

sonmvayina:
You guys are the ones pulling us back..we need to move forward...

OK so nothing more than that shey?

Since you're a god according to your own doctrines, i don't think a god like you need the support of anyone to push forward!

Through with you!

achorladey:
You sure don't know the history of missionary in this country. You a previous intelligence officer at that. The holiday is numerous nowadays. Find time to look into it. Missionaries didn't come to establish CATHOLIC as the ONE church alone.

Maximus69:
OK so nothing more than that shey?

Since you're a god according to your own doctrines, i don't think a god like you need the support of anyone to push forward!

Our goal on Earth is to move humanity forward,but you guys dwelling and believing in myths ..is not really helping anybody, is it?

sonmvayina:
Our goal on Earth is to move humanity forward,but you guys dwelling and believing in myths ..is not really helping anybody, is it?

According to your doctrines, you're supposed to be your own god and i'm supposed to be my own god.

So what business have i got with you?