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Maximus69:
Jesus WAS God just as Moses WAS God!

It's the Bible translators that began using capital and small letters to write the title God!

According to the original inspired writers GOD, God or god means the same thing!

The only difference is the name! Psalms 83:15

Let me teach u scripture relax. No rush!.

In Isaiah 43:11, God asserts: “I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior.”

Take note of the bolded, cos therein lies the deceit of Jehovah Witness

Let's go back to Titus 2:13

New International Version
while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

This verse calls Jesus both God and Savior. Let's take a look at their translation and discover the lies

Titus 2:13
while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus,

Notice how they stylishly inserted " the" to change the meaning of that verse. Using the word "the" separates God from the savior. This was done so that the claim of Jesus's Divinity is defeated. But the old testament exposes them.

In Isaiah which I already quoted, The Lord says he is the saviour and besides him there is no other savior.

That is why Jesus is recognized as both Yahweh and Elohim in the prophecy in

Isaiah 40:3: “Prepare the way of the Lord [Yahweh]; make straight in the desert a highway for our God [Elohim].”

Notice that This verse was written in reference to John the Baptist preparing for the coming of Christ (as confirmed in John 1:23) and represents one of the strongest affirmations of Christ’s deity in the Old Testament.

John 1:23 23 He said, “I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord,’ as the prophet Isaiah said.”

CANTICLES:
Othniel was a Saviour according to the Bible. I guess Freshboi88 isn't well updated . so how could Othniel be a saviour if there is only one saviour ?

U r a MUGU.....is othneil Ur savior, did he die for u?...

freshboi88:
Let me teach u scripture relax. No rush!.

In Isaiah 43:11, God asserts: “I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior.”

Take note of the bolded, cos therein lies the deceit of Jehovah Witness

Let's go back to Titus 2:13

New International Version
while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

This verse calls Jesus both God and Savior. Let's take a look at their translation and discover the lies

Titus 2:13
while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus,

Notice how they stylishly inserted " the" to change the meaning of that verse. Using the word "the" separates God from the savior. This was done so that the claim of Jesus's Divinity is defeated. But the old testament exposes them.

In Isaiah which I already quoted, The Lord says he is the saviour and besides him there is no other savior.

That is why Jesus is recognized as both Yahweh and Elohim in the prophecy in

Isaiah 40:3: “Prepare the way of the Lord [Yahweh]; make straight in the desert a highway for our God [Elohim].”

Notice that This verse was written in reference to John the Baptist preparing for the coming of Christ (as confirmed in John 1:23) and represents one of the strongest affirmations of Christ’s deity in the Old Testament.

John 1:23 23 He said, “I am the voice of one crying out in the wilderness, ‘Make straight the way of the Lord,’ as the prophet Isaiah said.”

Case is settled jare!

After all you've agreed that Jehovah and Jesus are separate persons.

So there's no further need arguing endlessly!

Maximus69:
Case is settled jare!

After all you've agreed that Jehovah and Jesus are separate persons.

So there's no further need arguing endlessly!

It is clear that Ur understanding of the Trinity is wrong. I dnt blame u, thts how human beings are. People like u rely on lies u r told and never ready to learn things on your own.

If u do, ull have a minute understanding of the trinity and all I have been explaining would make a little sense to u. U will not be lost when some part of scripture is presented to u

The bible says God is a spirit a d those who worship him must worship him in truth and in spirit. How can u claim to worship God when u don't know the truth about God.

I will teach u what the trinity is all bout and not the lies u were told about the trinity doctrine.

freshboi88:
It is clear that Ur understanding of the Trinity is wrong. I dnt blame u, thts how human beings are. People like u rely on lies u r told and never ready to learn things on your own.

If u do, ull have a minute understanding of the trinity and all I have been explaining would make a little sense to u. U will not be lost when some part of scripture is presented to u

The bible says God is a spirit a d those who worship him must worship him in truth and in spirit. How can u claim to worship God when u don't know the truth about God.

I will teach u what the trinity is all bout and not the lies u were told about the trinity doctrine.

No wahala my guy!

So far Jesus is different from Jehovah, case closed!

freshboi88:
@Maximus69 @Jozzy4 @ CANTICLES @ Janosky @Rozz @ Barristter07

You guys dnt know anything. Stop saying what u don't know.

Let me school them a little. @Rozz I want to expose their lies, u c I have called them all out. Challenging them with the truth.

To know the truth u must know the Word of God. Let's compare the old and new testament because doing so provides powerful testimony to Jesus’s identity as God.

For example, a study of the Old Testament indicates that it is only God who saves.

In Isaiah 43:11, God asserts: “I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior.”

This verse indicates two things

(1) a claim to be Savior is, in itself, a claim to deity; and

(2) there is only one Savior—the Lord God.

Simply put God says he is our saviour.

So, it is highly revealing of Christ’s divine nature that the New Testament refers to Jesus as “our great God and Savior


Titus 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

The appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is clearly referred to as God and savior here in Titus 2:13, which corresponds to Isaiah 43:11 Where God says besides him, there is no other savior.

If u need more biblical proof that Jesus is God. Tell me I'll show u scripture

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Every reasonable person knows that Trinitarian Titus 2:13 CONTRADICTS Jesus Christ @
Revelations 3:5,11-12,21 and John 20:17.

Revelations 3:5,11-12,21 and John 20:17 are Lies to your Fresh MUMU brain..
Issorite !!

Fresh MUMU done forget he wrote here on this thread: "There is hierarchy of the Father and His son, Jesus"
Freshboi SELECTIVE AMNESIA

freshboi88:
@Maximus69 @Jozzy4 @ CANTICLES @ Janosky @Rozz @ Barristter07

You guys dnt know anything. Stop saying what u don't know.

Let me school them a little. @Rozz I want to expose their lies, u c I have called them all out. Challenging them with the truth.

To know the truth u must know the Word of God. Let's compare the old and new testament because doing so provides powerful testimony to Jesus’s identity as God.

For example, a study of the Old Testament indicates that it is only God who saves.

In Isaiah 43:11, God asserts: “I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior.”

This verse indicates two things

(1) a claim to be Savior is, in itself, a claim to deity; and

(2) there is only one Savior—the Lord God.

Simply put God says he is our saviour.

So, it is highly revealing of Christ’s divine nature that the New Testament refers to Jesus as “our great God and Savior


Titus 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

The appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is clearly referred to as God and savior here in Titus 2:13, which corresponds to Isaiah 43:11 Where God says besides him, there is no other savior.

If u need more biblical proof that Jesus is God. Tell me I'll show u scripture

freshboi88:

I didn't claim Jesus is the same with the Father. Rather they are united, equal in essence, form and nature
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Freshboi MUMU for life.
Jesus is the same God of Isaiah 43:11 and Titus 2:13.
But you "didn't claim Jesus is the same with the Father"
FRAUDULENT Con man

Janosky:
Freshboi MUMU for life.
Jesus is the same God of Isaiah 43:11 and Titus 2:13.
But you "didn't claim Jesus is the same with the Father"
FRAUDULENT Con man

He thought he grasp the TRUE colour of TRINITY but if he doesn't want to be helped to see it's true identity.

It's better to leave him in his spiritual blindness, after all he is not contending the fact that Jehovah differs from Jesus, gradually he will see the remaining features of his fruitless TRINITY god!

Janosky:
Freshboi MUMU for life. Jesus is the same God of Isaiah 43:11 and Titus 2:13. But you "didn't claim Jesus is the same with the Father" FRAUDULENT Con man

you people are still dragging yourselves

Janosky:
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Every reasonable person knows that Trinitarian Titus 2:13 CONTRADICTS Jesus Christ @
Revelations 3:5,11-12,21 and John 20:17.

Revelations 3:5,11-12,21 and John 20:17 are Lies to your Fresh MUMU brain..
Issorite !!

Fresh MUMU done forget he wrote here on this thread: "There is hierarchy of the Father and His son, Jesus"
Freshboi SELECTIVE AMNESIA

@Janosky do u c why I called u biblical illiterate. As I take u through scripture showing u biblical evidence that Jesus is God. U hve suddenly resorted to shouting contradiction.

Your interpretation of scripture which forms Ur fake doctrine is not consistent with scripture. These verses you r quoting as back up, I will get to it n show u the truth behind those verses

Rozz:
you people are still dragging yourselves

I am dragging them. They criticize what they have zero understanding of. Their doctrine is full of lies

freshboi88:
Jesus Christ is clearly referred to as God and savior here in Titus 2:13, which corresponds to Isaiah 43:11 Where God says besides him, there is no other savior.

If u need more biblical proof that Jesus is God. Tell me I'll show u scripture
freshboi88:


I didn't claim Jesus is the same with the Father. Rather they are united, equal in essence, form and nature
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I am dragging them. They criticize what they have zero understanding of. Their doctrine is full of lies

FRAUDULENT Con man EXPOSES his Trinity FRAUD.....
Freshboi LIAR...

Maximus69:
He thought he grasp the TRUE colour of TRINITY but if he doesn't want to be helped to see it's true identity.

It's better to leave him in his spiritual blindness, after all he is not contending the fact that Jehovah differs from Jesus, gradually he will see the remaining features of his fruitless TRINITY god!

@Janosky @Rozz @Jozzy4 @Maximus69

If you do not believe in the Trinity, you are not a Christian at all. You are in fact a heretic.

What is the Trinity? Christians in every land unite in proclaiming that our God eternally exists as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Those who deny that truth place themselves outside the pale of Christian orthodoxy.

I can think of at least three reasons for believing in the Trinity:

1)The bible teaches it

2) Christians everywhere have always believed it.

3)No other explanation makes sense.

Someone has said it this way: If you try to explain the Trinity, you will lose your mind. But if you deny it, you will lose your soul.

How does the Bible teach the doctrine of the Trinity, we would go through it and ill give
scriptural references as well

@Janosky @Rozz @Jozzy4 @Maximus69 @CANTICLES

We believe that the one God eternally exists in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and that these three are one God, co-equal and co-eternal, having precisely the same nature and attributes, and worthy of precisely the same worship, confidence, and obedience.


Matt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

We can clearly see the trinity at play here. Also we can see the trinity at play in the baptism of Jesus.

Let's break it down into six smaller statements about the trinity that's easier to understand:

*One God and One Only
*Exists in three Persons
*Equal and Eternal
*Worthy of equal praise and worship
*Distinct yet acting in unity
*Constituting the one true God of the Bible

Early church fathers came to the conclusion that God is

*One in Essence
*Three in Person

When we say these things we mean that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, but they are not three gods but only one God. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father, but each is God individually and yet they are together the one true God of the Bible.

freshboi88:
@Janosky @Rozz @Jozzy4 @Maximus69

If you do not believe in the Trinity, you are not a Christian at all. You are in fact a heretic.

What is the Trinity? Christians in every land unite in proclaiming that our God eternally exists as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Those who deny that truth place themselves outside the pale of Christian orthodoxy.

I can think of at least three reasons for believing in the Trinity:

1)The bible teaches it

2) Christians everywhere have always believed it.

3)No other explanation makes sense.

Someone has said it this way: If you try to explain the Trinity, you will lose your mind. But if you deny it, you will lose your soul.

How does the Bible teach the doctrine of the Trinity, we would go through it and ill give
scriptural references as well

As long as the word TRINITY does not appear in any part of the scriptures, it means TRINITY is just a dogma!

Moreover Jesus said "every good tree produces fine fruit"

There is no positive fruit the TRINITY has produced and you yourself can testify to that in your own RCCG Church where the leaders are trying to kill one another for prominence.

So if the TRINITY dogma failed woefully to unite the leaders in your own Church to have LOVE JOY and PEACE amongst themselves, how do you think it will be possible for their numerous followers to LOVE one another not to talk of other so called denominations numbering almost 42,000 different groups with billions of their followers?

Sorry your TRINITY is not found in God's word and it has failed to yield any positive result!

freshboi88:
I am dragging them. They criticize what they have zero understanding of. Their doctrine is full of lies

but they are backing it up with verses as well

freshboi88:
@Janosky @Rozz @Jozzy4 @Maximus69 @CANTICLES

We believe that the one God eternally exists in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and that these three are one God, co-equal and co-eternal, having precisely the same nature and attributes, and worthy of precisely the same worship, confidence, and obedience.


Matt 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

We can clearly see the trinity at play here. Also we can see the trinity at play in the baptism of Jesus.

Let's break it down into six smaller statements about the trinity that's easier to understand:

*One God and One Only
*Exists in three Persons
*Equal and Eternal
*Worthy of equal praise and worship
*Distinct yet acting in unity
*Constituting the one true God of the Bible

Early church fathers came to the conclusion that God is

*One in Essence
*Three in Person

When we say these things we mean that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, but they are not three gods but only one God. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father, but each is God individually and yet they are together the one true God of the Bible.

We already know what you believe Sir, it's just that in all translation of the Bible God declared that he is one NOT three in one! Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29

So since Jesus God's son never taught us anything about a three in one God, we will stick to what is WRITTEN in God's word!

Rozz:
but they are backing it up with verses as well

That's why i keep asking him to present the result of his TRINITY doctrine in the midst of trinitarians, and we will present the result of our ONE JEHOVAH in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses! James 2:18-26 compare to Matthew 7:16-18

Maximus69:
That's why i keep asking him to present the result of his TRINITY doctrine in the midst of trinitarians, and we will present the result of our ONE JEHOVAH in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses! James 2:18-26 compare to Matthew 7:16-18

i am learning from you all,especially the backing up of argument with verses lol

@Janosky @Rozz @Jozzy4 @Maximus69 @CANTICLES

Where do we find the Trinity doctrine in the Bible?

I would answer that the Trinity is taught in both the Old and the New Testaments. It is taught by implication in the Old and by direct statement in the New.

For instance, the Bible contains numerous clear statements regarding the unity of God:

Deuteronomy 6:4 tells us that "the Lord is one."

1 Corinthians 8:4 adds that "there is no God but one."

1 Timothy 2:5 explicitly says "there is one God." All Christians heartily affirm this truth.


However, the Bible also contains clear statements regarding diversity within that unity. For instance, in the very first verse of the Bible we are told that "In the beginning God."

Then God said, ‘‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Genesis 1:26-27

Notice the shift in pronouns. "Let us … in our image … So God created man in his own image. … he created him." From us and our to he. Why the shift?

The answer is diversity in unity.

freshboi88:
@Janosky @Rozz @Jozzy4 @Maximus69 @CANTICLES

Where do we find the Trinity doctrine in the Bible?

I would answer that the Trinity is taught in both the Old and the New Testaments. It is taught by implication in the Old and by direct statement in the New.

For instance, the Bible contains numerous clear statements regarding the unity of God:

Deuteronomy 6:4 tells us that "the Lord is one."

1 Corinthians 8:4 adds that "there is no God but one."

1 Timothy 2:5 explicitly says "there is one God." All Christians heartily affirm this truth.


However, the Bible also contains clear statements regarding diversity within that unity. For instance, in the very first verse of the Bible we are told that "In the beginning God."

Then God said, ‘‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Genesis 1:26-27

Notice the shift in pronouns. "Let us … in our image … So God created man in his own image. … he created him." From us and our to he. Why the shift?

The answer is diversity in unity.

Just the word TRINITY that's all.

Even Muslims do quote as in cherrypick text in the Bible to support their own religion, the only problem is where ISLAM or MUHAMMAD is written that becomes their problem.

So we've quoted where Moses said "JEHOVAH is ONE JEHOVAH" and where Jesus quoted Moses to confirm that, just quote a single verse where TRINITY is written in God's word, and leave the rest in the hands of Jehovah's Witnesses!

If u believe that's not clear enough.

Consider further this line of evidence. All Three Persons are called God in different places in the Bible.

Father- Gal 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle-sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

Son- John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Holy Spirit- Acts 5:3-4
3 Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?

4 Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God."

How could the Son and the Spirit be called God unless they somehow share in God's essence? But if they share in God's essence, they are God alongside the Father.

freshboi88:
If u believe that's not clear enough.

Consider further this line of evidence. All Three Persons are called God in different places in the Bible.

Father- Gal 1:1
1 Paul, an apostle-sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

Son- John 20:28
28 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Holy Spirit- Acts 5:3-4
3 Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?

4 Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God."

How could the Son and the Spirit be called God unless they somehow share in God's essence? But if they share in God's essence, they are God alongside the Father.

So you mean there is nowhere TRINITY is written in this big book having 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses, and you're here insisting that the most organized and peaceful group on this planet must agree with you that this your TRINITY is real, whereas you trinitarians can't find LOVE JOY or PEACE in your midst!

You're the worstest clown on this planet Sir!

Finally, all three Persons are associated together on an equal basis in numerous passages:

Jesus' baptism—Matthew 3:13-17 (voice of the Father, Son baptized, Spirit descending like a dove).

Salvation—1 Peter 1:2 (chosen by the Father, sanctified by the Spirit, sprinkled with the blood of Jesus).

Sanctification—2 Corinthians 13:14 (grace of the Lord Jesus, love of God, fellowship of the Holy Spirit).

Christian Baptism—Matthew 28:19 (baptized in one name, yet three Persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

Prayer—Ephesians 3:14-21 (strengthened by his Spirit, know the love of Christ, filled with the fullness of God).

Christian Growth—2 Thessalonians 2:13 (chosen by God, loved by the Lord, sanctified by the Spirit).


If the doctrine of the Trinity is not true, it would seem to be blasphemy to speak so freely of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in one and the same breath.

Maximus69:
So you mean there is nowhere TRINITY is written in this big book having 1189 chapters and 31,200 verses, and you're here insisting that the most organized and peaceful group on this planet must agree with you that this your TRINITY is real, whereas you trinitarians can't find LOVE JOY or PEACE in your midst!

You're the worstest clown on this planet Sir!

The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible. Neither is the word "Inerrancy" but we don't discard it simply because it isn't found in the Bible. The issue is not the word, but the concept or the idea. We don't believe in the Trinity because of the word, but because of what the Bible teaches.

This concept Il have explained it here with scriptural references and those who search for the truth will read it and the Holy Spirit will give them understanding.

freshboi88:
The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible. Neither is the word "Inerrancy" but we don't discard it simply because it isn't found in the Bible. The issue is not the word, but the concept or the idea. We don't believe in the Trinity because of the word, but because of what the Bible teaches.

This concept Il have explained it here with scriptural references and those who search for the truth will read it and the Holy Spirit will give them understanding.

Anybody can find a way to explain anything in the Bible so that's not a criteria to say those who disagree with such a concept are wrong!

So far it's not found in the Bible, it could be and may not be necessary Sir!

@Janosky @Rozz @Jozzy4 @Maximus69 @CANTICLES

I can categorically tell u from these truth u have been told today and @Rozz is a witness to the truth that:

We all know that God the Father is to be worshiped. But what about Jesus Christ? If he is God, should we not also worship him? The answer of course is yes. But that truth leads us back to the Trinity. He is not merely the Son of God but also God the Son. The same thing may be said about the Holy Spirit. He is not just a "force" but a Divine Person. Not an "influence" or some vague power, but the Third Person of the Trinity.

Let me draw one important inference. Since all Three Persons of the Trinity are equally God, we may pray to any member of the Trinity. That, by the way, is the number one question I have been asked about the Holy Spirit since writing Names of the Holy Spirit. Many Christians simply do not feel comfortable praying to the Spirit even though we often sing songs that are essentially prayers to the Spirit, such as "Spirit of God, descend upon my heart" and "Spirit of the living God, fall afresh on me." Surely if we may sing to the Spirit, we may also pray to him. If he is God, our prayers may be directed to him.

I do agree that Christian prayers will customarily be made to the Father (e.g. The Lord's Prayer). But let us not quibble or imagine that the Father is slighted if we direct our prayers to the Son or to the Spirit, according to the need of the moment. There is no jealousy among the members

Maximus69:
Anybody can find a way to explain anything in the Bible so that's not a criteria to say those who disagree with such a concept are wrong!

So far it's not found in the Bible, it could be and may not be necessary Sir!

I m not arguing with u, I am teaching u. I have explained a concept with scriptural references.
It's left for u to go through it n c if there's any truth in it

freshboi88:
@Janosky @Rozz @Jozzy4 @Maximus69 @CANTICLES

I can categorically tell u from these truth u have been told today and @Rozz is a witness to the truth that:

We all know that God the Father is to be worshiped. But what about Jesus Christ? If he is God, should we not also worship him? The answer of course is yes. But that truth leads us back to the Trinity. He is not merely the Son of God but also God the Son. The same thing may be said about the Holy Spirit. He is not just a "force" but a Divine Person. Not an "influence" or some vague power, but the Third Person of the Trinity.

Let me draw one important inference. Since all Three Persons of the Trinity are equally God, we may pray to any member of the Trinity. [/b]That, by the way, is the number one question I have been asked about the Holy Spirit since writing Names of the Holy Spirit. Many Christians simply do not feel comfortable praying to the Spirit even though we often sing songs that are essentially prayers to the Spirit, such as "Spirit of God, descend upon my heart" and "Spirit of the living God, fall afresh on me." Surely if we may sing to the Spirit, we may also pray to him. If he is God, our prayers may be directed to him.

I do agree that Christian prayers will customarily be made to the Father (e.g. The Lord's Prayer). But let us not quibble or imagine that the Father is slighted if we direct our prayers to the Son or to the Spirit, according to the need of the moment. There is no jealousy among the members

NOTHING you mentioned up there is in your Bible
Freshboi,Please DESIST FROM my mention, whenever you bring your FRAUD and JUNK GIBBERISH to this thread

Shalom.

Janosky:
NOTHING you mentioned up there is in your Bible
Freshboi,Please DESIST FROM my mention, whenever you bring your FRAUD and JUNK GIBBERISH to this thread

Shalom.

I biblical references are in my explanation, take Ur time to go through it. The truth as been revealed to u.

If u read it, point out what's not in the bible

Maximus69:
No wahala my guy!

So far Jesus is different from Jehovah, case closed!

@Janosky @ Maximus69 @canticles

Fessler Settlement 2017

Fessler was a teenager in 2002 when first abused by Terry Monheim, who was in her forties. The abuse was reported to the elders, who did not follow Pennsylvania's mandatory reporting rules, which led to a continuation of the abuse. Fessler requested $USD 1.9 million and was counter offered by Watchtower $100,000. Fessler did not accept the offer and took the case to court. Subsequently, a settlement with confidentiality clause was reached in February 2017. This is discussed in the Plaintiff's Second Amended Pre-trial Memorandum



The Watchtower Branch manual outlines that Bethel branches can make expenditure of up to $USD 2,000,000 without Governing Body approval, so it is unclear what involvement the Governing Body would have had in this case and authorisation of the settlement.

@ Maximum69 Ur much loved watchtower desperately covering up a tape case. Wht do u hve to say bout this

News coverage of the case appeared at pennlive.com/news - Jehovah's Witness Sexual Abuse Feb 13 2017.

freshboi88:
I m not arguing with u, I am teaching u. I have explained a concept with scriptural references.
It's left for u to go through it n c if there's any truth in it

For almost 1900 years that the Catholic Church have introduced the TRINITY idol, it has never yielded any positive result! Matthew 7:16-18

So it's pointless going through such hopeless doctrine now!