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| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 9:47pm On May 09, 2020 |
freshboi88:Freshboi claims that Jesus is Jehovah in the old testament, according to him Psalms 102:25-27 is the same God of Hebrew 1:10-12.. Freshboi,why Jehovah tell himself to sit at his own right hand ? ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 9:51pm On May 09, 2020 |
Janosky:U have jumped arguement......no o So if God never said sit at my right hand to angel. Why do JWs say Jesus is angel Micheal? |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 9:57pm On May 09, 2020*. Modified: 10:48pm On May 09, 2020 |
freshboi88:"10 He also says to the Son," Na Maggi and Pepper ADDED into the Bible. Verse9 ends with full stop. Verse 10-12, The One spoken of is the Father of the Son in verse 13. Psalms 102:24-27 the One spoken of is Immortal,can NEVER die, this fact is confirmed in Hebrews 1:10-12 By his false claims of Hebrew 1:10-12, Freshboi is telling us that Hebrews 2:9 and Hebrews 10:12 is FALSE. The Hebrew language Psalms45:6-8 and 102:25-27 Masoretic Text CONFIRMS Freshboi post of Hebrew 1:8, 10-12 is actually a FRAUDULENT TWIST |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 10:47pm On May 09, 2020 |
Janosky:Lair...... NWT You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+ And is a conjunction connecting. 10 with the preceding verse. If Ur lie has any iota of credence it should be a But and not an And. So it should read You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 But: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+ @bolded the bible didn't use but. It used And & it is a conjunction. So it's either your translation made a mistake or the JW is just a bunch of confused dullards. Which 1 is it? |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 10:49pm On May 09, 2020 |
Janosky:Plus y r u running from the Angel Micheal lie.... Scripture clearly shows u r lying.....must u guys lie in everything |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:50pm On May 09, 2020*. Modified: 4:33am On May 10, 2020 |
Rozz:You don't need any HE JW as friend. It's advisable you try a SHE. Even i will not approve of such friendship if he happens to be my own biological son! Genesis 24:3 compare to 2Corinthians 6:14 ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 11:02pm On May 09, 2020*. Modified: 11:40pm On May 09, 2020 |
freshboi88:. By his false claims of Hebrew 1:10-12, Freshboi is telling us that Hebrews 2:9 and Hebrews 10:12 is FALSE. Hebrews 1:9 "You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. [b]That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil [/b]of exultation more than your companions" **Hebrews 1:9 . Isaiah 40:25 and Psalms 102:12,24 are SOLID PROOF that your "AND" has no legitimate business in verse 10. Una CHANGE 1 John 5:7.1Tim3:16. Hebrews 1:8, to support Trinity GIBBERISH, Na Hebrews 1:10 go hard una to change? *** Isaiah 40:25 "With whom, then, will you compare me? With whom am I equal?" asks the Holy One *** The God of Psalm 102:12,25-27 get any mate ,peers, ? (Exodus 6:3. Psalms 83:18 ASV) Again, Freshboi is arguing that Hebrews 1:9 is FALSE. ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 11:09pm On May 09, 2020 |
freshboi88:I have already given treatment to this issue here.. You Don't read the points we explained thoroughly and LEARN. Rather, Freshboi is more interested in typing GIBBERISH. ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 5:50am On May 10, 2020*. Modified: 6:37am On May 10, 2020 |
Maximus69:maybe he's your son Sir lol there's nothing wrong in a harmless friendship.JW people are difficult to deal with,nothing you do will ever be righteous before them so long as you ain't a JW. Me sef dy fear them lol.I understand what you meant by those verses you quoted but your son wouldn't have let go sha (son against daddy's wish).No think bad of me ooo,I'm a very shy and reserved person outside this place. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:37am On May 10, 2020 |
Janosky:I countered your arguement with this 13 And God never said to any of the angels, “Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies, making them a footstool under your feet.”[i] Dude clear Ur ignorance..... In light of this is Micheal still Jesus I remember u jumping from this arguement. So how is Micheal Jesus |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:39am On May 10, 2020 |
Janosky:With all these verses u r quoting, are u saying the bible made a mistake using And instead of But? There are two things here, it's either u dnt understand what u quote or the bible made a mistake.....which 1 is it? |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 7:44am On May 10, 2020 |
Janosky:And is a conjunction. What is a conjunction used for @Janosky?....Tell us so u can cure Ur mumuness. Why did the NWT used And instead of But....did they make a mistake |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 8:21am On May 10, 2020 |
Janosky:While u are at it trying to explain what a conjunction is and its use in English language. Isaiah 45: 23The word has gone out of my mouth in righteousness, And it will not return:+ To me every knee will bend, Every tongue will swear loyalty+ Isaiah says every knee will bow to Jehovah and every tongue will swear loyalty to him. U know I find that very similar to what Paul said to the Philippians 2 “Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, [10] so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [11] and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Notice Paul is quoting Jehovah in Isaiah but applying it Jesus. Notice I already know d cheap arguement u will bring forward. My question is why is glorifying the Son equal to glorifying the Father? |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 8:30am On May 10, 2020 |
@CANTICLES, @Maximus69 @Barristter07, @Jozzy4 @Rozz I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, [/b]nor my praise to carved idols. (Isaiah 42: ![]() Glorify me in your own presence with [/b]the glory that I had with you before the world existed. (John 17:5) Make Una explain this one |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:14am On May 10, 2020*. Modified: 9:33am On May 10, 2020 |
Barristter07:That happened on the CROSS if not the virgin birth is false...which is the reason why you said "so that human nature is contaminated by virtue of been sacrificed for Sin." Christ has never sin till He was put on the CROSS, it was on the CROSS HE BEARS ALL OUR SIN. Are you saying Christ sin before he died? What is the essence of the virgin birth if the human nature is already contaminated? Liar.... Phil 2:6,7Liar....but you're already said the first NATURE MUST BE DROPPED before the second nature can be picked. That's why you even said I should asked the Father what He did with the Divine nature. Now it's no more EMPTIED but CHANGE where in the scripture can you find this? Liar of the greatest century. Just as I asked Where is the divine nature JESUS EMPTIED 1 Corinthians 15:49Speaking ignorance and keep changing mouth This was your first statement "...Just as we have bear the image of the one from dust, ( Human nature) We shall bear the image of the heavenly one ( Divine nature )" The heavenly one here is God..... So it's evident that you're just deluded Human are already created in the Image of God which is the glory Adam lost to sin and Jesus came to restore us back to that glory. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:19am On May 10, 2020 |
Barristter07:ALL HUMAN!!! So which means nothing has changed and resurrection is useless because if man was not restored to that ORIGINAL image of God which Adam was created with, then it means man will still die, and the body will still be experiencing decay. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:29am On May 10, 2020 |
Barristter07:Liar like your father the devil Man was created with the image of God which Adam lost due to sin and Christ came to restore that Image. My point is if man was already created in the Image of God and to you IMAGE OF GOD is DIVINE NATURE then it means we are not to be called Human then.... Unless you change your mouth again. The point I'm driving from here is, back to that 2 Peter 1:4 the divine nature MAN will share/partake is the original image of God that Adam lost, so 2peter 1 doesn't claim WE WILL BECOME DIVINE NATURE, that's why we are only going to SHARE it. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 9:40am On May 10, 2020 |
freshboi88:Again, Jesus Christ himself will EXPOSE Freshboi Wayo..... John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me [/b]before the creation of the world." Wayo man wey no know Jesus.... ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 9:52am On May 10, 2020 |
freshboi88:Archangel simply means the chief of all the angels! So Jesus (Michael) already have a position higher than all other angels because he partook in their creation, as God's only begotten son! Proverbs 8:22-31 But he had no throne until after his earthly mission has been accomplished! John 19:30 You can ask questions about what we believe and we will be obliged to explain to you but you can't change it unless the benefits of your own interpretation is more obvious than what we are benefitting in our midst! Matthew 7:15-20 ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:24am On May 10, 2020 |
Janosky:I just pity the young man! ![]() He love the dogma so much that he wants it to sound like the truth but he's just helpless. ![]() I just wish he get the New Catholic Encyclopedia or other reference materials that could open his eyes to the truth about TRINITY! ![]()
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| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 10:35am On May 10, 2020 |
Maximus69:New International Version But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. [b]Then Michael, one of the chief princes, [/b]came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia. Micheal is one of the chief princes. He is not the only one in his class. If Micheal is one of the chief prices, how does archangel mean he is above all the angels?.. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:41am On May 10, 2020 |
Emusan:1). Confirmed OLODO! A Bowl in your hands you DROPPED it on the floor. Is your hands EMPTY ? Has a CHANGE occurred ? Whatever you Emptied, Dropped, you have left behind because CHANGE has Occurred.. Emusan Confused OLODO ![]() 2). Point of correction: Jesus is the heavenly one spoken of in 1 Cor 15:45-49.. DON'T TWIST IT.. Emusan done write him own Bible. Man created in God's image Fell short of God's glory. Man NEVER fell short of God's image, (except in Emusan delusional mindset). ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 10:42am On May 10, 2020 |
Janosky:See how Isaiah exposes Ur ignorance am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. (Isaiah 42 Do u believe in what Jehovah says U believe Jehovah gives his glory to no one in one breath. In another breadth u believe he gave his glory to Jesus.... Hypocrite So did Jehovah lie when he said he gives his glory to no one? |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 10:43am On May 10, 2020 |
Maximus69:Pity urself !!!! Y u are at it... Come and explain how Micheal been one of the chief princes equates to head of all the angels |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 10:47am On May 10, 2020 |
Emusan:So before Christ came humans are not in the image of God, they are animals ? James 3:9 says every human Christian or not is in the image of God already . why would Paul be reffering to what Christ as restored as " We shall also Bear " ? U fraud. My point is if man was already created in the Image of God and to you IMAGE OF GOD is DIVINE NATURE then it means we are not to be called Human then....Image of God is not the image mentioned in Corinthians. The image in Corinthians is for anointed Christians. not every human Get it now . humans already have the image of God now What Corinthians says is " We shall also Bear " which means that image or nature is not one they have presently ! Unless you change your mouth again.U are a liar ... Corinthians contrast image of the one made from dust with the image of the heavenly one. NATURE. Not been created in the image of God. The image from dust ( Adam) is already in the image of God. So it refers to something deeper. U this fraud. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 10:49am On May 10, 2020 |
Janosky:U saw how Deluded he is too |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 10:53am On May 10, 2020 |
Emusan:Original ko , Fake ni Man has never lost the image of God. U this fraud. Every human you meet is in the image of God either male or female ( James 3:9) . that's not the point of 1 Corinthians 15:49 . it deals with Nature. Even the one made of dust mentioned in that verse is already in the image of God. So it refers to something deeper. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 10:59am On May 10, 2020 |
Emusan:The one who has not known sin, He MADE SIN for us. That's the point of contamination. Liar....but you're already said the first NATURE MUST BE DROPPED before the second nature can be picked. That's why you even said I should asked the Father what He did with the Divine nature.GODS FORM To SLAVE FORM Changed. Speaking ignorance and keep changing mouthJesus ( verse 47) . point of correction They look forward to having the image/Nature of the Jesus the heavenly one. DIVINE NATURE. U are a real fraud. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 11:07am On May 10, 2020 |
Janosky:am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. (Isaiah 42 Do u believe that Jehovah doesn't give his glory to no other? Dnt run away o.... |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 11:10am On May 10, 2020 |
Emusan:" Then I heard a loud voice from the throne: Look, God's dwelling is with HUMANITY , and he will live with them. They will be his peoples, and God himself will be with them and will be their God. " Revelation 21:3 Many will live forever on earth as humans. U saw humanity , dont you ? But for those born of the spirit , They will have the DIVINE NATURE , GODS NATURE, GODS VERY FORM. In heaven ... Like the heavenly one, so are those who are heavenly. Question is : Does that mean they are Equal to God for the fact they will exist in heaven in GODS form ?? |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Myer(m): 11:10am On May 10, 2020 |
Maximus69:@ bolded either you have me mistaken for someone else, or you have a compulsive lying disorder. What I've always told you is that the bible has so many inconsistencies and contradictions which has led to the explosion in different translations, eisegesis and denominations. So stop misleading people. Your own case is even pathetic because your JW organization has conveniently managed to brainwash you that miracles ended in the bible and no longer practical in reality since they were only for signs and not needed anymore. So I believe you need more help than a clinically diagnosed mental case. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 11:10am On May 10, 2020 |
Janosky:Answer to your questions: 1. Yes, my hand is empty 2. No! Change has not occurred ON THE OBJECT only change in LOCATION. Reason! That a BOWL dropped from my hand doesn't make it BECOME A STEEL BOWL if it was made of PLASTIC, or does it? Whatever you Emptied, Dropped, you have left behind because CHANGE has Occurred..If not because your brain is paining you, you wouldn't have spew this thrash. So where is that THING that you dropped? Or what you dropped is the same with YOU! Your analogy really sucks. 2).Point of correction: Jesus is the heavenly one spoken of in 1 Cor 15:45-49.. DON'T TWIST IT..But Jesus is the IMAGE OF GOD So if being the image of man makes us human then being the image of God must also make you God. Emusan done write him own Bible.Just as Watchtower wrote their own Bible Man created in God's image Fell short of God's glory.So what is the Image of God in man? |
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