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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 3:16pm On May 10, 2020
freshboi88:
You be ODE!!!

If Jesus is King of kings....then u just confirmed his deity. Is he also Lords of lords?
Lord of Lords is also a Lord nah! cheesy

But there is one who subjected everything under Jesus' feet, Apostle Paul said "that one is excluded" meaning Jesus still have a superior! 1Corinthians 15:27-28 wink
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 3:19pm On May 10, 2020
freshboi88:
Lair he did, he gave his glory to Jesus.

Glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. (John 17:5)
You are mistaken Sir! cheesy

The glory here means the position God gave Jesus before all other things came to be, NOT Jehovah's glory! cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 3:20pm On May 10, 2020
Maximus69:
Lord of Lords is also a Lord nah! cheesy

But there is one who subjected everything under Jesus' feet, Apostle Paul said "that one is excluded" meaning Jesus still have a superior! 1Corinthians 15:27-28 wink
The one that subjected everything under the feet of Jesus?.... Did he share his glory with Jesus before the world existed?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 3:22pm On May 10, 2020
freshboi88:
The one that subjected everything under the feet of Jesus?.... Did he share his glory with Jesus before the world existed?
Capital NO! cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 3:23pm On May 10, 2020
Maximus69:
You are mistaken Sir! cheesy

The glory here means the position God gave Jesus before all other things came to be, NOT Jehovah's glory! cheesy
Where is the word position in that scripture?

Looking for it?

Looking for it?

Maybe I need a microscope to find it. Even with a microscope, I still can't find it

Sorry, glory is glory, position is position

Even if we go wiv Ur position lie, wht position are u talking bout
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 3:24pm On May 10, 2020
Maximus69:
Capital NO! cheesy
Glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. (John 17:5)

Thts what it says here ...it's either the bible is lying or u lying
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 3:34pm On May 10, 2020
freshboi88:
Where is the word position in that scripture?

Looking for it?

Looking for it?

Maybe I need a microscope to find it. Even with a microscope, I still can't find it

Sorry, glory is glory, position is position

Even if we go wiv Ur position lie, wht position are u talking bout
Perhaps you failed to realize that the president of Gambia will sit in the conference of world leaders just as the president of USA, such glory billions will never attain in life!

But when given orders to Presidents from far distant lands, Donald Trump will talk with authority while Adama Barrow will be silent!

My guy level pass level! cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 3:35pm On May 10, 2020
Maximus69:
Perhaps you failed to realize that the president of Gambia will sit in the conference of world leaders just as the president of USA, such glory billions will never attain in life!

But when given orders to Presidents from far distant lands, Donald Trump will talk with authority while Adama Barrow will be silent!

My guy level pass level! cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 3:37pm On May 10, 2020
Maximus69:
Perhaps you failed to realize that the president of Gambia will sit in the conference of world leaders just as the president of USA, such glory billions will never attain in life!

But when given orders to Presidents from far distant lands, Donald Trump will talk with authority while Adama Barrow will be silent!

My guy level pass level! cheesy
Do u agree that both Trump and Adams are both Human beings no matter the power trump has?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 3:42pm On May 10, 2020
freshboi88:
Do u agree that both Trump and Adams are both Human beings no matter the power trump has?
Just as Jehovah, Jesus (Michael), Gabriel and other countless angels are all SPIRIT BEINGS!

Yet level pass level! cheesy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 3:55pm On May 10, 2020
Maximus69:
Just as Jehovah, Jesus (Michael), Gabriel and other countless angels are all SPIRIT BEINGS!

Yet level pass level! cheesy
Yet only one Jehovah called his only begotten son
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 3:59pm On May 10, 2020
freshboi88:
Yet only one Jehovah called his only begotten son
Hen nah! huh

Just as God created one man (Adam) and through Adam he created billions upon billions of humans that have existed on this planet.

The same way he created one spirit being Jesus (Michael) and through this one angel all other things (including other angels) were created! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 6:14pm On May 10, 2020
Barristter07:
This ones are not in the image of the heavenly one. His nature.

But they are in the image of God.

So dont muddle matters
The verse you quoted said "Just as we have bear the image of the one from dust, ( Human nature) We shall bear the image of the heavenly one ( Divine nature )"

Now, human are created in the IMAGE OF GOD doesn't that mean Human are already possessed DIVINE NATURE?

The image here is even that of God which is even higher than that of Christ if we should go with your logic.


What is born of spirit is not human but Spirit. Get sense ... That some humans will live forever on earth as image of God yet are not in the image of The heavenly one should let you know being in the image of the heavenly one refers to the Divine nature.
You people always confirm that you lack scriptural knowledge.

I've told you several that John 3:6 wasn't separated people into two groups of living in heaven and earth as your organization erroneously teaching but about our human nature (flesh) must be regenerated by the Holy Spirit.

This is the fact Apostle Paul reiterates in Galatians 4:23-31 which greatly exposed your ignorance about Jesus statement and to shows that your demonic organization has deceived you people.

I'll just point out the fact in those verses:

[b]23 classified the bondwoman son who was born after the FLESH and the son born by the freewoman who is after the promise

24 Said this was an ALLEGORY for these are the TWO CONVENATS

25 puts the bondwoman as Sinai in Arabia which is now in bondage under Jerusalem

26 Puts Jerusalem as from ABOVE and FREE which is now THE MOTHER OF US ALL

27 makes a reference to Isaiah

28 then says BRETHREN (a term used for all CHRISTIANS) as Isaac was, are the CHILDREN of the promise
NOTE: The plural to switch from Isaac to Children which includes ALL CHRISTIANS

29 Makes the matter worse for you by saying "He that was born after the FLESH persecuted Him that was BORN after the SPIRIT"
Which means ALL CHRISTIANS must be born by the Spirit

30 Reference to old testament

31 even killed your ignorance finally by saying "SO BRETHREN (ALL CHRISTIANS) we are NOT CHILDREN of the BONDWOMAN (because children of the BONDWOMAN were born after FLESH) but of the FREE (because freewoman children were born after the SPIRIT)."[/b]


So ignorantly taking John 3:6 "who is born of the flesh is flesh" to mean Children of God will still be born by the flesh shows how you lack scriptural knowledge.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 6:23pm On May 10, 2020
freshboi88:
You be ODE!!!

If Jesus is King of kings....then u just confirmed his deity. Is he also Lords of lords?
Freshboi GIBBERISH....
Deity dey get Father ? grin

Ephesians 1:3
"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ....."
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 6:24pm On May 10, 2020
Barristter07:
Image of God is not divine nature. So many will live forever on earth yet they are in the image of God
*Bearing the image of the heavenly one is DIVINE NATURE
*Bearing the image of the earthly is human nature
*But bearing the image of God isn't DIVINE NATURE
at least people can boldly see your two sided mouth.

So what is the meaning of IMAGE OF GOD


As the heavenly one, so are those who are heavenly ... The image here is nature.
But the Image of God man was created iwith sn't NATURE

Liar like your father the devil.

What will reveal your low thinking comes from the fact that : Does that mean those in heaven alone are in the image of God ? The image of Jesus mention here is his heavenly nature.


Only a Fraud relates it to been in the image of God.
I said Jesus is THE VERY IMAGE OF GOD, what do you say about that?

Lying liar.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 6:28pm On May 10, 2020
freshboi88:
Glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. (John 17:5)

Thts what it says here ...it's either the bible is lying or u lying
Jesus Christ Na Robber ?

Freshboi, John 17:24 and 1Peter1:21 dey your Bible?
Please give us confirmation here shepaly grin

John 17:24
"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world."

1 Peter 1:21
Through Christ you have come to trust in God. And you have placed your faith and hope in God because he raised Christ from the dead and gave him great glory"

Charlatans pretending to follow Christ Jesus grin
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky:
freshboi88:
Where is the word position in that scripture?

Looking for it?

Looking for it?

Maybe I need a microscope to find it. Even with a microscope, I still can't find it

Sorry, glory is glory, position is position

Even if we go wiv Ur position lie, wht position are u talking bout
Freshboi know NOTHING..... grin

1 Peter 1:21 and Hebrew 1:4 you don't understand it , do you?

***
1 Peter 1:21
Through Christ you have come to trust in God. And you have placed your faith and hope in God because he raised Christ from the dead and gave him great glory"

***
Hebrews 1:3-4
" ....After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.


I challenge Freshboi to name any other son of God who received the glory stated in Hebrews 1:3-4..

This is the understanding of the Scriptures that JWs have, no pastorpreneur,gods of men can do so.
Olebwoy dey feed una with JUNK
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 6:47pm On May 10, 2020
Barristter07:
Christ himself knew no sin until that
The moment he was made sin.
You're still dodging my question.

At what point he was made to be sin:
1. Through His lifetimes till the moment He was about to be crucified?
2. As He was hung on the Cross

It never mention " Nature "

Verse 10 says they have the same Fullness.

Eph 3:19 that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God." ...

Does this mean they are God?
Lying liar...
The Geek word in Col 2:9 which even your demonic organization rendered "Divine Quality" is;

theotes
Divinity, Godhead

What even make it more interesting is when it says "DWELLETH all the fullness of the GODHEAD in BODILY

It means something was DWELLING IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.

Now, the question is, was this the same body which "ALL THE FULLNESS OF GODHEAD DWELL" that was contaminated with SIN?

As you've been claiming since morning

Empty meaning

To lack substance .

Which is the Divine nature .
So what happened to that DIVINE NATURE since DIVINE NATURE can't DIE?

Which substance did the DIVINE NATURE lack

You have move from emptied to drop to CHANGE now LACK SUBSTANCE

Even your deluded brother said the FATHER pick it up.

And after your great delusions you ask me to ask the Father what he did with the DIVINE NATURE of Christ.

But one thing is certain, you know DIVINE NATURE can't die but mysteriously someone who is HAVING A DIVINE NATURE in one way or the other suddenly BECOME A FULL HUMAN and the DIVINE NATURE can't be traced to anywhere.

I salute your ignorance Mr

I dont get your point , are humans not in the image of God ? So they are God.
Human is created in the Image of God should mean they are already HAVING DIVINE NATURE since;

*Bearing the image of the heavenly one mean having the DIVINE NATURE
*Bearing the image of the earthly means having human nature
*So bearing the image of God should also means having the NATURE of God

At least you can't deny that man is created in the Image of God.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 6:50pm On May 10, 2020
Emusan:
*Bearing the image of the heavenly one is DIVINE NATURE
*Bearing the image of the earthly is human nature
*But bearing the image of God isn't DIVINE NATURE
at least people can boldly see your two sided mouth.

So what is the meaning of IMAGE OF GOD




But the Image of God man was created iwith sn't NATURE

Liar like your father the devil.



I said Jesus is THE VERY IMAGE OF GOD, what do you say about that?

Lying liar.
1 Corinthians 11:7
7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

Does Emusan see the great divide?
Image of God and the glory of God are not the same ooooo grin
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 7:03pm On May 10, 2020
Janosky:
1 Corinthians 11:7
7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

Does Emusan see the great divide?
Image of God and the glory of God are not the same ooooo grin
According to this verse then women were not THE IMAGE OF GOD and the Glory of God

If you disagree with this then only you'll understand what the verse is addressing
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:16pm On May 10, 2020
Emusan:
Lying liar...
The Geek word in Col 2:9 which even your demonic organization rendered "Divine Quality" is;

theotes
Divinity, Godhead

.
Emusan Confused Wayo man with JUNK ..... grin

Godhead is a FRAUD coined by Trinitarians, una wayo , Artful FORGERS..
Triune pagan deity devotees grin


Greek Theiotēs= divine nature., divinity.

5 STAR to the NWT.... tongue tongue

cc: Barrister07

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:27pm On May 10, 2020
Emusan:
According to this verse then women were not THE IMAGE OF GOD and the Glory of God

If you disagree with this then only you'll understand what the verse is addressing
God
|
Christ
|
Man
I
Woman.
Divine nature passed down from God to Christ to Man to Woman, in that sequence, Emusan do you agree?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 7:27pm On May 10, 2020
Janosky:
Emusan Confused Wayo man with JUNK ..... grin

Godhead is a FRAUD coined by Trinitarians, una wayo , Artful FORGERS.. grin


Greek Theiotēs= divine nature., divinity.

5 STAR to the NWT.... tongue tongue

cc: Barrister07
See this shameless deluded person....keep jumping up and down like a lost soul.

So Where was DIVINE QUALITY that your demonic organization used came from? If Theiotes = Divine Nature,..., Divinity

Again but your deluded brother said it's not "NATURE" but see how you greatly disgraced him.

I so much like the way you people are disgracing yourself thank God you copy him.

Lastly, do you then agree that DIVINE NATURE DWELL IN Christ in BODILY?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 7:29pm On May 10, 2020
Janosky:
God
|
Christ
|
Man
I
Woman.
Divine nature passed down from God to Christ to Man to Woman, in that sequence, Emusan do you agree?
According to the verse you quoted:

Women are not IMAGE OF GOD and The Glory of God

Do you agree with that?

Olodo
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:53pm On May 10, 2020
Emusan:
See this shameless deluded person....keep jumping up and down like a lost soul.

So Where was DIVINE QUALITY that your demonic organization used came from? If Theiotes = Divine Nature,..., Divinity

Again but your deluded brother said it's not "NATURE" but see how you greatly disgraced him.

Lastly, do you then agree that DIVINE NATURE DWELL IN Christ in BODILY?
Nature= Quality... You can't fault it ; grin

Colossians1:19, divine quality is Yahweh's gift to Jesus, do you agree?

Do you agree divine nature/quality dwells BODILY in Christ followers? Colossians 2:10. John 1:16.
Ephesians 3:19
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 7:59pm On May 10, 2020
Emusan:
According to the verse you quoted:

Women are not IMAGE OF GOD and The Glory of God

Do you agree with that?

Olodo
Emusan Confused JUNK.... grin

Matthew 19:4, "God created them male and female",
Jesus Christ says Emusan Na Confused OLODO grin

Confused triune pagan deity devotee dey quarrel with Jesus and him Apostle grin
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 8:50pm On May 10, 2020
Emusan:
*Bearing the image of the heavenly one is DIVINE NATURE
*Bearing the image of the earthly is human nature
*But bearing the image of God isn't DIVINE NATURE
at least people can boldly see your two sided mouth.

So what is the meaning of IMAGE OF GOD




But the Image of God man was created iwith sn't NATURE

Liar like your father the devil.



I said Jesus is THE VERY IMAGE OF GOD, what do you say about that?

Lying liar.

Image of God simply means God create man with his fine qualities ... Ability to show love , justice , compassion , etc.

It didn't mean Nature , dont be silly

I guess in your sense , God has breast or manhood ?


You need to grow up
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:00pm On May 10, 2020
Barristter07:

Image of God simply means God create man with his fine qualities ... Ability to show love , justice , compassion , etc.

It didn't mean Nature , dont be silly

I guess in your sense , God has breast or manhood ?


You need to grow up
Ole.....

Now image of God means God created man with FINE QUALITIES but bearing IMAGE OF HEAVENLY MEANS HAVING DIVINE NATURE...

Nowhere for you to hide.

*Bearing the image of the heavenly one is DIVINE NATURE
*Bearing the image of the earthly is human nature
*But bearing the image of God isn't DIVINE NATURE

You must have been more silly to thing such
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:04pm On May 10, 2020
Janosky:
Nature= Quality... You can't fault it ; grin

Colossians1:19, divine quality is Yahweh's gift to Jesus, do you agree?

Do you agree divine nature/quality dwells BODILY in Christ followers? Colossians 2:10. John 1:16.
Ephesians 3:19
See this shameless deluded person....keep jumping up and down like a lost soul.

So Where was DIVINE QUALITY that your demonic organization used came from?

If Theiotes = Divine Nature,..., Divinity

Lastly, do you then agree that DIVINE NATURE DWELL IN Christ in BODILY?

I'm still waiting for the answer where DIVINE QUALITY appear in your attached pix
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 9:10pm On May 10, 2020
Emusan:
The verse you quoted said "Just as we have bear the image of the one from dust, ( Human nature) We shall bear the image of the heavenly one ( Divine nature )"

Now, human are created in the IMAGE OF GOD doesn't that mean Human are already possessed DIVINE NATURE?

The image here is even that of God which is even higher than that of Christ if we should go with your logic.
Like the heavenly one, so are those who are heavenly . it state it clearly that image of the heavenly one belongs to those who will be in heaven.

This is different from image of God available to earthly humans. But the nature of the heavenly one , Jesus Christ


You people always confirm that you lack scriptural knowledge.

I've told you several that John 3:6 wasn't separated people into two groups of living in heaven and earth as your organization erroneously teaching but about our human nature (flesh) must be regenerated by the Holy Spirit.

This is the fact Apostle Paul reiterates in Galatians 4:23-31 which greatly exposed your ignorance about Jesus statement and to shows that your demonic organization has deceived you people.

I'll just point out the fact in those verses:

[b]23 classified the bondwoman son who was born after the FLESH and the son born by the freewoman who is after the promise

24 Said this was an ALLEGORY for these are the TWO CONVENATS

25 puts the bondwoman as Sinai in Arabia which is now in bondage under Jerusalem

26 Puts Jerusalem as from ABOVE and FREE which is now THE MOTHER OF US ALL

27 makes a reference to Isaiah

28 then says BRETHREN (a term used for all CHRISTIANS) as Isaac was, are the CHILDREN of the promise
NOTE: The plural to switch from Isaac to Children which includes ALL CHRISTIANS

29 Makes the matter worse for you by saying "He that was born after the FLESH persecuted Him that was BORN after the SPIRIT"


Which means ALL CHRISTIANS must be born by the Spirit


30 Reference to old testament

31 even killed your ignorance finally by saying "SO BRETHREN (ALL CHRISTIANS) we are NOT CHILDREN of the BONDWOMAN (because children of the BONDWOMAN were born after FLESH) but of the FREE (because freewoman children were born after the SPIRIT)."[/b]


So ignorantly taking John 3:6 "who is born of the flesh is flesh" to mean Children of God will still be born by the flesh shows how you lack scriptural knowledge.
This is an ALLEGORY . clear enough.

John 3:6 added one additional point , what is born of spirit IS SPIRIT !!!

When means such ones will become powerful spirit beings , This does not apply to all Christians . Many will live forever as humans ( Rev 21:3)

If so, it exposes you more : 1Corinrlthians 15:47-49 state clearly that the image of the heavenly one belongs to those who are heavenly , are those humans living forever on earth Not in the image of God ? Clearly there is a difference.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 9:13pm On May 10, 2020
Emusan:
Ole.....

Now image of God means God created man with FINE QUALITIES but bearing IMAGE OF HEAVENLY MEANS HAVING DIVINE NATURE...

Nowhere for you to hide.

*Bearing the image of the heavenly one is DIVINE NATURE
*Bearing the image of the earthly is human nature
*But bearing the image of God isn't DIVINE NATURE

You must have been more silly to thing such
Like the heavenly one , SO ARE THOSE WHO ARE HEAVENLY ?? Do you read this ?


It refers to the Divine nature Jesus possess which this persons will have .


POWERFUL REBUTTAL: Many will live forever on earth , yet are in the image of God . does that not tell you there is a difference ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Barristter07: 9:25pm On May 10, 2020
Emusan:
You're still dodging my question.

At what point he was made to be sin:

1. Through His lifetimes till the moment He was about to be crucified?
2. As He was hung on the Cross
you agree with the highlighted ?
grin

Lying liar...
The Geek word in Col 2:9 which even your demonic organization rendered "Divine Quality" is;

theotes
Divinity, Godhead

What even make it more interesting is when it says "DWELLETH all the fullness of the GODHEAD in BODILY

It means something was DWELLING IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.

Now, the question is, was this the same body which "ALL THE FULLNESS OF GODHEAD DWELL" that was contaminated with SIN?

As you've been claiming since morning
It never means DIVINE NATURE . Nature wasn't there . You can bury your head in shame already. Liar

Verse 10 says the same dwell in Christians . does that mean they are a part of trinity and are not born with sin ?
So what happened to that DIVINE NATURE since DIVINE NATURE can't DIE?

Which substance did the DIVINE NATURE lack

You have move from emptied to drop to CHANGE now LACK SUBSTANCE

Even your deluded brother said the FATHER pick it up.

And after your great delusions you ask me to ask the Father what he did with the DIVINE NATURE of Christ.

But one thing is certain, you know DIVINE NATURE can't die but mysteriously someone who is HAVING A DIVINE NATURE in one way or the other suddenly BECOME A FULL HUMAN and the DIVINE NATURE can't be traced to anywhere.

I salute your ignorance Mr
Substance meaning


the real physical matter of which a person or thing consists and which has a tangible, solid presence.

He no longer was consisting of the divine nature , but changed to an human nature making him a baby whose life started in the womb.

Human is created in the Image of God should mean they are already HAVING DIVINE NATURE since;

*Bearing the image of the heavenly one mean having the DIVINE NATURE
*Bearing the image of the earthly means having human nature
*So bearing the image of God should also means having the NATURE of God

At least you can't deny that man is created in the Image of God.
Image of the heavenly one is not meant for humans .. To show you its different . did you read " Like the heavenly one, so are those who are heavenly " in your Bible ?
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