donnie:
According to your criminally inspired chart...

1872- children of Israel in Egypt began
1842- 400 years affliction began
1801- Joseph 110 years old, which is the age he died (Genesis 50)
1442- The exodus

You are saying...
-30 years after their arrival in Egypt, affliction begins in 1842.
-Affliction begins 41 years before Joseph dies at the age of 110 in year 1801.
-Then 1442 is the Exodus.

Those who designed the chart simply counted backward from the generally accepted 1442 date for the Exodus but failed woefully to make the line of events fit into the 400-year prophecy.

Genesis 15:13
[13]And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

According to your chart, 400 years of affliction began while Joseph was still alive. But according to the scripture, Joseph and all in his generation had died and the children of Israel were fruitful, increased abundantly, multiplied, and waxed exceedingly mighty, ever before affliction began.

Exodus 1:6-11
[6]And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.
[7]And the children of Israel were fruitful, and increased abundantly, and multiplied, and waxed exceeding mighty; and the land was filled with them.
[8]Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.
[9]And he said unto his people, Behold, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we:
[10]Come on, let us deal wisely with them; lest they multiply, and it come to pass, that, when there falleth out any war, they join also unto our enemies, and fight against us, and so get them up out of the land.
[11]Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.
This false chart is simply a fabrication of the criminally minded Ashkenazi Jews or Christian zionists who are still fighting to deny the fact that the prophecy of Genesis 15:13 is actually referring to the black negros of the tribe of Judah, scattered around the world and sent to the United States of America (Mystery Babylon) from the year 1619.

The trigger for their judgment is the awakening the true Israelites. When Israel awakes and returns to the commandments of YAH, judgement falls. This is what they try to avert. But they have failed and the judgment has been set. #AwakeOIsrael

MuttleyLaff:
... donnie, mister olodo rapata upon twenty, fyi the Israelites arrived at Egypt in 1876 BC. Joseph died in 1806 BC. Add 40 years to 1806 BC gives you 1846 BC
(i.e. Remember, it took 40 years, after Joseph's death, for his brothers, and everyone else in that generation to die before their enslavement to begin in 1846 BC)

Now, donnie, when their enslavement, started in 1846 BC and ended in 1446 BC. The difference of this equals to 400 years of enslavement

The difference between 1876 BC and 1806 BC gives you 70 years. Subtract 40 years from the 70 years, gives you, the 30 years period that the Israelites lived as freeborns prior to becoming slaves. All QED.

Eggs don't teach fowl how to have sex, neither teach fowl how to suck eggs.

WHERE DID I SAY 360!

"Ara adugbo", my neigbours, please help from this false accuser ooo. Hin wan put marijuana pour inside my pocket ooo.

It's getting easier for me to blame your confusion and ignorance on your pitiful miseducation, false and overstated intelligence

donnie? donnie? donnie? donnie how many times did I call you. OK, please donnie calm down and fyi, I am not Ephesians 5:18a drunk on wine but I am instead, Ephesians 5:18b filled with the Spirit. Praise YAH. Alleluia

donnie, Moshe was born in 1526 BC. Now subtract the Exodus 7:7 stated Moshe's 80 years age from 1526 BC, this gives you 1446 BC
(i.e. 1446 BC being the year the slavery ended)

The 320 years that you are looking for donnie, are the years just before Moshe's birth. Add the 320 years to 1526 BC gives you 1846 BC, that's the year the Israelites slavery in Egypt started (i.e. 1526 BC is Moshe's birth year, lol. At 1446 BC, he was 80 years old)

Subtract 40 years from 1446 BC gives you 1406 BC, the year of Moshe's death.

Now donnie, go gently and click on the below link, lol. It has the timeline displaying a list of events in chronological order. Of course it includes dates of Joseph's death in 1806 BC, the birth and adoption of Moses in 1526 BC, end of slavery in 1446 BC etcetera, lol
https://biblehub.com/timeline/

You're either thicker than a two inch carpenter plank wood or you're deliberately pretending to be obtuse. I am not sure which is or maybe its both. You cant keep up with the facts and figures, the addition and subtraction etcetera. Your apparent cluelessness is betraying you,

Fyi, I repeat, the words, slavery and affliction, were both used in Genesis 15:13. As a matter of fact, the Hebrew word used for slavery is "abad" and the other Hebrew word used for affliction is "anah" so they were subjugated just as Genesis 15:13 perfectly prophesied it. They were enslaved or "abad" and afflicted or "anah"

Their subjugation, started in 1846 BC and ended in 1446 BC, where the difference equals to 400 years of enslavement

donnie, this is not mathematics I've done here, this arithmetic, unfortunately your arithmetic is wack. This is why you cant successfully do the sums and differences. Simple kindergarten addition and subtraction, shishi you no sabi am. Your eyes go soon clear, in Yahushua's Name. Amen.

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No way, donnie, is going to come to do his, cunning man, wuruwuru to the answer on this.

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donnie:


If you've noticed, I have spoken politely with you inspite of the insults from you. And I am certain that you will not be able to talk to me if you meet me.

If you cannot speak respectfully, or at least sensibly, then you leave me no choice than to ignore your posts going forward. We should not celebrate stupidity on NL.

Hmmm, so why are you going off point from what we are discussing.. Read and understand the line of enquiry before you answer...

donnie:


From ISRAEL's sins. He was the sin sacrifice.

◄ Isaiah 53 ►

4Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.

10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

Because of His sacrifice, Israel can repent and be restored to the covenant YAH made with our ancestor Abraham.

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant, and God already told you who his servant is in chapter 41:7-9...there is no controversy here.. It is not a prophecy, it is what the king of the earth will say when they discover that Israel was right and innocent all along..

Israel is the servant..

donnie:


From ISRAEL's sins. He was the sin sacrifice.

◄ Isaiah 53 ►

4Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9And they made His grave with the wicked—
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.

10Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.
11He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

Because of His sacrifice, Israel can repent and be restored to the covenant YAH made with our ancestor Abraham.

How many times did God accept a human sacrifice in the old testament?

donnie:


How can you be so willfully blind? Who controls your economy, is it your president or Esau?

Who controls the media? And the perspectives you have about life?

They even control the god you worship.

You are in your house now, not because Buhari decided you should have a holiday but because a few people have decided to shut down this world.

You obviously, like many Nigerians, are not in touch with reality. Reason YAH will send judgements.

Those who have a clearer world view will understand.

you dey see road sha just a that I disagree with you on something's. Jesus might be black but Christianity is not an invention of Rome.

It is actually a display of intellectual mediocrity to call christianity an invention of rome

MuttleyLaff:

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No way, donnie, is going to come to do his, cunning man, wuruwuru to the answer on this.

I see you are yet to recover from your previous disgraceful attempt at proving 400 years of AFFLICTION/SLAVERY in Egypt using the bible and your crooked maps. Now you have turned to Egyptologists for solution.

Our elders say, when someone gets up to accuse you falsely of stealing, many times, it is because that is what they are doing.

According to your wuru wuru chart, with dates that are at best fictitious, Moses is born in 1526, 280 years after Joseph's death? Seriously So between Exodus chapters 1 and 2 is 280 years? Okay.

Affliction begins only after Joseph and his generation die...

Exodus 1:6,8,11
[6]And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.
[8]Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.
[11]Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.

And according to your chart, Joseph dies in 1806 and Exodus is 1446. That's 360 years in-between (not up to 400 yrs). Now if you remove the years his brethren and generation lived after him, before affliction begins, it will be even less. SO WHERE IS YOUR 400 YEARS AFFLICTION?

The rate at which you're going, you will soon bring a chart where Joseph dies before his father Jacob.

You are a disgrace to fellow bible manipulators.
Therefore it remains that Genesis 15:13 is a prophecy about the children of Israel taken into captivity to the U.S. No amount of wuru wuru can change that.

Genesis 15:13-14
And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

sonmvayina:


Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant, and God already told you who his servant is in chapter 41:7-9...there is no controversy here.. It is not a prophecy, it is what the king of the earth will say when they discover that Israel was right and innocent all along..

Israel is the servant..

So Israel is an offering for sin... Okwea? Is ISRAEL pure spotless and blameless enough to be a sin offering to YAH. So YAH will not sacrifice one person but the whole nation? The offering is on who's behalf? Mind you, that was not an allegory. It was a definite offering for the purpose, that MESSIAH shall see His righteous seed and prolong His days in the earth.

The blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sins, it only purifies the flesh. And such sacrifice needs to be done again and again. But the sacrifice of the black spotless and blameless MESSIAH was once and for all to purge ISRAEL's soul that they may serve the living YAH and keep His commandments.

Israel was right in what? Why were they chased out of their land? Why were they taken captive into all nations and enslaved? Are they not his chosen people... the apple of his eyes? Why are we suffering and destroyed as a people? Is YAHUAH not faithful to his covenant? Is He an unjust ELOHIYM?

Also, Who is Isaiah 9:6-7 referring to?

Who is the prophet like unto Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18?

EMILO2STAY:
you dey see road sha just a that I disagree with you on something's. Jesus might be black but Christianity is not an invention of Rome.

It is actually a display of intellectual mediocrity to call christianity an invention of rome

Actually it's origins are in Egypt/ Ethiopia. But Rome rebranded theirs and used it to conquer and subdue the nations of the world.

MESSIAH did not establish any religion. He came for Israel, ministered to Israel and when he was done, told ISRAEL to teach other nations. But today, instead of teaching other nations, true ISRAEL is learning from other nations.

The nations have conspired to cause ISRAEL to break YAH's laws under the guise of religion, especially Christianity. Because they know that when Israel keeps YAH's commandments, they will be above all nations.

Deuteronomy 28:1
And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of YAHUAH thy ELOHIYM, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that YAHUAH thy ELOHIYM will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

Psalms 83:2-4
For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

donnie:
I see you are yet to recover from your previous disgraceful attempt at proving 400 years of AFFLICTION/SLAVERY in Egypt using the bible and your crooked maps. Now you have turned to Egyptologists for solution.

Our elders say, when someone gets up to accuse you falsely of stealing, many times, it is because that is what they are doing.

donnie, fyi, stones dont like you, lie. I dont trust you donnie. I trust the dirt, the dirt is always truthful. Archaeology evidences dont lie. In archaeology, you uncover the unknow, not that it is something you'll understand or appreciate, lmao. From the word go, all my info, charts are whatnot have always been partly based and centred around Egyptologists' findings, discoveries and/or solutions

donnie:
[s]According to your wuru wuru chart, with dates that are at best fictitious[/s], Moses is born in 1526, 280 years after Joseph's death? Seriously So between Exodus chapters 1 and 2 is 280 years? Okay.

Yes! Of course donnie, there is a gap of 280 years (i.e. almost 300 years) between the end of the book of Genesis and the birth of Moshe, the start of the life of Moshe in the book of Exodus, lmao.

Fyi donnie, Genesis in Hebrew means beginning, and you'll agree there are many different beginnings recorded in that book and Exodus in Hebrew, means, leaving, exit and/or departure, lmao.

Now, the 280 years gap making you restless, is sandwiched between the end of Genesis (i.e. Genesis 50:26) and Exodus 1:7-10. You can even, alternatively say, the gap is between Exodus 1:6 and Exodus 1:7-10, lmao. Do you want the arithmetics, hmm?

Have the biblical facts and dates first before the arithmetic, lmao:
Joseph, and all his brethern and all that generation dies 1806 BC (i.e. Exodus 1:6)
Moshe is born 1526 BC (i.e. Exodus 2:2)
Moshe at 40 years old leaves Egypt, went to live in Midian 1486 BC (i.e. Exodus 2:15)
Moshe at 80 years old returns to Egypt 1446 BC (i.e. Exodus 7:7)

1806 BC -1526 BC = 280 years, this is the years difference between Joseph's death and Moshe' birth
280+80 = 360 years, calculated from adding Moshe' 80th birthday
360+40 = 400 years, total slavery years, calculated from adding years he took for Joseph's brethern and all that generation to die
(i.e. a generation in biblical language & in this context = 40 years)
400+30 = 430 years, calculated from adding the 30 years prior to enslavement commencing

donnie:
Affliction begins only after Joseph and his generation die...

Exodus 1:6,8,11
⁶And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.
⁸Now there arose up a new king over Egypt, which knew not Joseph.
¹¹Therefore they did set over them taskmasters to afflict them with their burdens. And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities, Pithom and Raamses.

And according to your chart, Joseph dies in 1806 and Exodus is 1446. That's 360 years in-between (not up to 400 yrs). Now if you remove the years his brethren and generation lived after him, before affliction begins, it will be even less. SO WHERE IS YOUR 400 YEARS AFFLICTION?

The rate at which you're going, you will soon bring a chart where Joseph dies before his father Jacob.

I have saved you the rigmarole, please dont go be hurting your brain cells lmao, brother MuttleyLaff has done the heavy lifting for you, lmao, dont get your pendicured finger nails damaged

donnie:
[s]You are a disgrace to fellow bible manipulators[/s].
Therefore it remains that Genesis 15:13 is a prophecy about the children of Israel taken into captivity to the U.S. No amount of wuru wuru can change that.

Genesis 15:13-14
"¹³And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
¹⁴And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
"

"Solomon loved many foreign women.
Besides the daughter of the king of Egypt he married Hittite women
and women from Moab, Ammon, Edom, and Sidon."
- 1 Kings 11:1

"¹This is the message Jeremiah received concerning the Judeans living in northern Egypt in the cities of Migdol, Tahpanhes, and Memphis,a and in southern Egyptb as well:
²“This is what the LORD of Heaven’s Armies, the God of Israel, says: You saw the calamity I brought on Jerusalem and all the towns of Judah. They now lie deserted and in ruins. "
- Jeremiah 44:1-2

donnie, it is disgraceful that you are bent on propagating your falsehoods and that you are too lazy to update your biblical and historical knowledge, smh. I am not going to bore you with astonishing revealing fact in Jeremiah chapter 44, but just to say, its enough using 1 Kings 11:1 and Jeremiah 44:1-2 to bring to your attention that Israelites have always somehow returned to live in Egypt, even Yahshua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior of the whole wide world, at one time had need, to take refuge in Egypt.

Genesis 15:13, has nothing whatsover to do with the US. The transAtlantic slave trade to the US, didnt start until the 16th century (i.e. 1619) and continued into the early 18th century (i.e. 1863/1866) when it ended,

Slavery, as a matter of fact was accidentally introduced into the US. The first 20 odd slaves arrived there after two British pirates, the Treasurer and the White Lion, intercepted the ship transporting them to Vera Cruz, on the coast of Mexico by Portuguese slave traders. They climbed on board hoping to find bounty of gold, but what they met were slaves. These the pirates seized and sold them off as booty of war and/or traded them off for victuals (i.e. food and drinks) from the Governor and Cape Merchant of Jamestown, who bought them to work on the tobacco fields.

donnie the slavery in the US didnt last 400 years, so you of course, can see how this little fact and truth drops a sediment into your little bottle of oil, lmao. Here is another bitter truth for size. Little over half a million of the 12,000,000 slaves transAtlantic transported, were brought to th US. In fact, 600,000 slaves were transported to America, as in meaning, 5% of the 12 million slaves taken out of Africa were enslaved in the US.

"²⁰“And when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then you will know that the time of its destruction has arrived.
²¹Then those in Judea must flee to the hills. Those in Jerusalem must get out, and those out in the country should not return to the city.
²²For those will be days of God’s vengeance, and the prophetic words of the Scriptures will be fulfilled.
²³How terrible it will be for pregnant women and for nursing mothers in those days. For there will be disaster in the land and great anger against this people.
²⁴They will be killed by the sword or sent away as captives to all the nations of the world. And Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles until the period of the Gentiles comes to an end.
³²I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things have taken place. "
- Luke 21:20-24 & 32

Now, donnie, the fact of the matter and truth is that, Genesis 15:13, had already been fulfilled in Egypt, where it was talking of your seed, Israel, the nation and not your seed, an individual, Isaac/Jacob/Israel, the man.

donnie, Genesis 15:13, dusted and done with. That prophecy has long gone being fulfilled, the next one is Luke 21:20-24 & 32, and mind you, it has nothing to do with America, because this one is talking of what happened immediately after Jerusalem in 70 AD was annihilated.

You see donnie, Yeshushua Ha Mashsiach, aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, the incarnate of God, walked the Earth from about 1–33 AD made the above prophecy you read in Luke 21:20-24 & 32 above, but guess what it was fulfilled bang on the money, 40 years thereabouts later in 70 AD, lmao. This is 40 years, give or take, later after Luke 21:20-24 & 32 above was said by Him, lmao. donnie, remember Luke 21:32, it is about our friend again, here we have a generation equals 40 years popping up again, lmao. Bible sweet ooo, lmao.

Both prophecies, Genesis 15:13 and Luke 21:20-24 & 32 were fulfilled, right on time. As for Luke 21:20-24 & 32, Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, a witness at the time of the siege on Jerusalem, claims over 1.1 million people were killed during the initial siege alone, of which a majority were Jews. 97,000 Jews were captured and enslaved and others fled to Mediterranean areas and Africa for refuge. This amount dwarfs the 600,000 slaves sent to the US, many hundreds years after 70 AD.

“...And as Titus went around and saw the trenches filled with the dead…
he groaned aloud, and, raising his hands, called God to witness that this was not his doing.”
- Eusebius (Church historian, written circa 325 AD, book III chapter VI)

Eusebius, a church historian, in the early 300 AD, wrote the above quote, about how the Roman conquerer Titus felt on seeing the aftermath of the siege of Jerusalem. Apparently, the conqueror Titus, was so traumatised by what he saw, he refused to accept and wear the customary wreath of victory

donnie, please I beg you, wake up and smell the coffee!. There are no ritually pure descendants of the Israelites existing. With all modesty and honesty, they've all been mongrelized. That is how YAH wanted it donnie. The last prophecies in the bible were fulfilled in 70 AD and not in the 15th to 18th century, lmao. The only prophecies since then, left to be fulfilled donnie, are the ones concerning the end of the world. donnie, all scriptures in the New Testament were written prior to 70 AD and must be read with that context in mind, the context of the annihilation of the Hebrews which took place that year. The same applies to Genesis 15:13 too, please dont make the mistake of try to catapult Genesis 15:13 out of its sphere of fulfillment

I'll for now, pause here, I continue to be praying for you donnie and pray that you take 2 Timothy 2:15 and Proverbs 4:7-9 as very well, to heart. Shalom brother.

PS: I am actually surprised, you made no attempt to introduce or quote from one of your favourite books, the Book of Jasher, lmao. Like maybe, try to quote from chapter 81, lmao

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donnie:


Actually it's origins are in Egypt/ Ethiopia. But Rome rebranded theirs and used it to conquer and subdue the nations of the world.

yea this is true. Rome's christianity os a syncretistic mix of paganism with christianity. But its origins not from ethiopia or egypt but from israel.

donnie:
MESSIAH did not establish any religion. He came for Israel, ministered to Israel and when he was done, told ISRAEL to teach other nations. But today, instead of teaching other nations, true ISRAEL is learning from other nations.

yashua established christianity as the nation of israel could not keep the law of moses. Originally he came for them but since they rejected him and his gospels yashua turned to other nations.

Israel taught other nations the gospels through the apostles and that is how christianity became wide spread

donnie:
The nations have conspired to cause ISRAEL to break YAH's laws under the guise of religion, especially Christianity. Because they know that when Israel keeps YAH's commandments, they will be above all nations.


Deuteronomy 28:1
And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of YAHUAH thy ELOHIYM, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that YAHUAH thy ELOHIYM will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

Psalms 83:2-4
For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

the nations did not conspire with israel to break yahs law. Israel did so themselves as no human is perfect enough to keep any law of sort perpetually with out default .israel would have been above other nations nations if they truly kept to Gods commandment.

But they failed in doing so and so the curse of deuteronomy was fulfilled on them Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
. That is why the black man is at the bottom and the white man on top. It is meant to continue like this until the second coming of yashua. When he will appoint many true israelites by blood to rule with him in his new kingdom. This is there portion and reward as a people whom salvation for the whole came through.

donnie:
How can you be so willfully blind? Who controls your economy, is it your president or Esau?

Who controls the media? And the perspectives you have about life?

They even control the god you worship.

You are in your house now, not because Buhari decided you should have a holiday but because a few people have decided to shut down this world.

You obviously, like many Nigerians, are not in touch with reality. Reason YAH will send judgements.

Those who have a clearer world view will understand.

"Is not Esau Jacob's brother?
-- an affirmation of Jehovah, And I love Jacob, and Esau I have hated,
And I make his mountains a desolation, And his inheritance for dragons of a wilderness.
(i.e. Esau (Edom) I have hated, and I have turned his hill country into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals)"
- Malachi 1:3

"And now, look, your house (i.e. (the Israelite's house) is abandoned and desolate.
(i.e. Look, your house is left to you desolate!)"
- Matthew 23:38

All Israelites and all Edomites shared the same fate from YAH, they are extinct as a dodo. They're D-E-A-D, dead!

Do you at all, understand what desolate means, hmm donnie? Desolation, means, a state of complete emptiness or destruction, a place of great unhappiness or loneliness. That is what God has made of Esau (i.e. Edom or Idumeans) house, it is empty and deserted fit only for desert jackals to live in.

You see that Malachi 1:3 part with "... left his inheritance to the desert jackals" the inheritance there, by God, means descendants (i.e. refer to
Psalm 127:3: Children are an inheritance of the LORD). God, in Malachi 1:3 , is saying He has given up the descendants of Esau to desert jackals.

donnie, do you want to know who is controlling the economies of the world, lmao?. Do you want to know who is controlling the media, lmao?. Do you want to really know controls and/or dictates the perspectives you have about life, hmm? Even who orchestrates the gods people worship, erhn? Of course, everyone is in lockdown, in our respective homes now, not because PMB decided from the goodness of the government's heart that citizens should have a free and paid holiday but because a few people have decided to shut down this world. Clap. Encore. Bravo. The only thing is that, it is not Esau brother, it is not flesh and blood we struggle and wrestle against, but it is against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. It is against cosmic powers of this dark age, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens. Their tools are the gang of billionaires anti-christs

EMILO2STAY:
you dey see road sha just a that I disagree with you on something's. Jesus might be black but Christianity is not an invention of Rome.

You're skating on thin ice, lmao, bro.

1/ How possibly might Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior of the whole wide world be black, hmm? Dont let donnie, scam you with all these his bereft of 2 Timothy 2:15 and Proverbs 4:7-9 in it.
2/ What have you in mind, that's making you want to tentatively nurse such a stretch out my neck, lmao, notion, hmm?
3/ Have you yet slowly, quietly, carefully and thoughtfully gone over Genesis Chapter 9 yet?

EMILO2STAY:
It is actually a display of intellectual mediocrity to call christianity an invention of rome

From the word go, there originally and fundamentally were two kinds of Christianities to start with. There was the Antioch Christianity and there was the Constantine Christianity. Both are inventions, and neither were founded by Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior of the whole wide world. There is a very good reason, why Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, deliberately chose and consciously selected the term "ecclesia" as the epitome of what and how He see everybody called out to congregate. Praise YAH. Alleluia. I am getting goose pimples right now after typing that part about Jesus Christ and "ecclesia" lmao.

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MuttleyLaff:
"Is not Esau Jacob's brother? -- an affirmation of Jehovah, And I love Jacob, and Esau I have hated, And I make his mountains a desolation, And his inheritance for dragons of a wilderness.
(i.e. Esau (Edom) I have hated, and I have turned his hill country into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals)"
- Malachi 1:3

"And now, look, your house (i.e. (the Israelite's house) is abandoned and desolate.
(i.e. Look, your house is left to you desolate!)"
- Matthew 23:38

All Israelites and all Edomites shared the same fate from YAH, they are extinct as a dodo. They're D-E-A-D, dead!

Do you at all, understand what desolate means, hmm donnie? Desolation, means, a state of complete emptiness or destruction, a place of great unhappiness or loneliness. That is what God has made of Esau (i.e. Edom or Idumeans) house, it is empty and deserted fit only for desert jackals to live in.

How convenient it is for you to read verse 3 and ignore verse 4.

Malachi 1:4
"Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever."

So Esau has built but according to the word of YAHUAH, his kingdoms shall be thrown down and destroyed.

Esau can run or disguise himself, but he can't hide. The Word of YAH will always fish him out. And yes, they are the border of wickedness.

donnie:
How convenient it is for you to read verse 3 and ignore verse 4.

Malachi 1:4
"Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever."

So Esau has built but according to the word of YAHUAH, his kingdoms shall be thrown down and destroyed.

Esau can run or disguise himself, but he can't hide. The Word of YAH will always fish him out. And yes, they are the border of wickedness

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Who run or disguise epp?

""Do you really think anyone can hide himself where I cannot see him?" the LORD asks.
"Do you not know that I am everywhere?" the LORD asks"
- Jeremiah 23:24

I stopped at verse 3 because it ties in perfectly with the point I am making with Matthew 23:38 about desolation. I didnt want to introduce verse 4 to cause a distraction from the fact that both the Israelities and their cousins, Esau (i.e. Edom or Idumeans) are toast, as far as YAH is concerned, the only way back is believe in Yahushua Ha Mashsiach and His commandments. Why? Fundamentally for reconcilition back to YAH, with of course the redemption and salvation of the soul, after which grace is made available, since Israel and the Gentile cant keep the 613 commandments

MuttleyLaff:
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Who run or disguise epp?

""Do you really think anyone can hide himself where I cannot see him?" the LORD asks.
"Do you not know that I am everywhere?" the LORD asks"
- Jeremiah 23:24

I stopped at verse 3 because it ties in perfectly with the point I am making with Matthew 23:38 about desolation.

Yea right... ties perfectly with the lie you want to promote.

EMILO2STAY:

MuttleyLaff:

1/ How possibly might Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior of the whole wide world be black, hmm? Dont let donnie, scam you with all these his bereft of 2 Timothy 2:15 and Proverbs 4:7-9 in it.

Here's a little something for worshippers of that white demon they call J-zeus.

https://www.nairaland.com/5852448/rome-bantus-demon-white-jesus#89462765

donnie:


So Israel is an offering for sin... Okwea? Is ISRAEL pure spotless and blameless enough to be a sin offering to YAH. So YAH will not sacrifice one person but the whole nation? The offering is on who's behalf? Mind you, that was not an allegory. It was a definite offering for the purpose, that MESSIAH shall see His righteous seed and prolong His days in the earth.

The blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sins, it only purifies the flesh. And such sacrifice needs to be done again and again. But the sacrifice of the black spotless and blameless MESSIAH was once and for all to purge ISRAEL's soul that they may serve the living YAH and keep His commandments.

Israel was right in what? Why were they chased out of their land? Why were they taken captive into all nations and enslaved? Are they not his chosen people... the apple of his eyes? Why are we suffering and destroyed as a people? Is YAHUAH not faithful to his covenant? Is He an unjust ELOHIYM?

Also, Who is Isaiah 9:6-7 referring to?

Who is the prophet like unto Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18?

lol, you are just quoting passages without even checking for your self..Isaiah 9:6-7 is about Hezekiah, it is written in present tense , he was already 6 years old when Isaiah was writing....got it, Deuteronomy 18 18 is referencing Joshua...who took over from Moses...please read scriptures in context...the people who wrote it did not add the chapter and verse..those where added by Christians hundreds of years later..

EMILO2STAY:
yea this is true. Rome's christianity os a syncretistic mix of paganism with christianity. But its origins not from ethiopia or egypt but from Israel.

If that is what you want to believe go ahead, but it's not TRUTH. They stole Israelite culture and tradition and mixed with their pagan traditions to create Christianity and that's a historical fact.

EMILO2STAY:
yashua established christianity as the nation of israel could not keep the law of moses. Originally he came for them but since they rejected him and his gospels yashua turned to other nations.

The bolded is a flat-out lie of Christianity. Not founded on scripture. The apostles and disciples who followed him were from where? China?

EMILO2STAY:
Israel taught other nations the gospels through the apostles and that is how christianity became wide spread

They were making disciples to YAHUSHA the black MESSIAH, not pushing Christianity.

EMILO2STAY:
the nations did not conspire with israel to break yahs law. Israel did so themselves as no human is perfect enough to keep any law of sort perpetually with out default .israel would have been above other nations nations if they truly kept to Gods commandment.

So what is the point of the new birth or the Holy Spirit? To speak in tongues and confess your riches?
And of course Israel always longed to be like other nations against YAH's will. They always lusted after Egypt. And the nations about them and those who enslaved them knew who they were and how to keep them under subjection. And this has happened again and again throughout history, even till this day. Or what do you think your pastors are doing teaching you to break the Shabbat and the laws and to observe pagan festivals? They are serving the beast mother church of ROME.

1MACCABEES 1
41 Moreover king Antiochus wrote to his whole kingdom, that all should be one people, 42 And every one should leave his laws: so all the heathen agreed according to the commandment of the king. 43 Yea, many also of the Israelites consented to his religion, and sacrificed unto idols, and profaned the sabbath. 44 For the king had sent letters by messengers unto Jerusalem and the cities of Juda that they should follow the strange laws of the land, 45 And forbid burnt offerings, and sacrifice, and drink offerings, in the temple; and that they should profane the sabbaths and festival days: 46 And pollute the sanctuary and holy people: 47 Set up altars, and groves, and chapels of idols, and sacrifice swine's flesh, and unclean beasts: 48 That they should also leave their children uncircumcised, and make their souls abominable with all manner of uncleanness and profanation: 49 To the end they might forget the law, and change all the ordinances. 50 And whosoever would not do according to the commandment of the king, he said, he should die. 51 In the selfsame manner wrote he to his whole kingdom, and appointed overseers over all the people, commanding the cities of Juda to sacrifice, city by city. 52 Then many of the people were gathered unto them, to wit every one that forsook the law; and so they committed evils in the land; 53 And drove the Israelites into secret places, even wheresoever they could flee for succour. 54 Now the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred forty and fifth year, they set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar, and builded idol altars throughout the cities of Juda on every side; 55 And burnt incense at the doors of their houses, and in the streets. 56 And when they had rent in pieces the books of the law which they found, they burnt them with fire. 57 And whosoever was found with any the book of the testament, or if any committed to the law, the king's commandment was, that they should put him to death. 58 Thus did they by their authority unto the Israelites every month, to as many as were found in the cities. 59 Now the five and twentieth day of the month they did sacrifice upon the idol altar, which was upon the altar of God. 60 At which time according to the commandment they put to death certain women, that had caused their children to be circumcised. 61 And they hanged the infants about their necks, and rifled their houses, and slew them that had circumcised them. 62 Howbeit many in Israel were fully resolved and confirmed in themselves not to eat any unclean thing. 63 Wherefore the rather to die, that they might not be defiled with meats, and that they might not profane the holy covenant: so then they died. 64 And there was very great wrath upon Israel.

EMILO2STAY:
But they failed in doing so and so the curse of deuteronomy was fulfilled on them Deuteronomy 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
. That is why the black man is at the bottom and the white man on top. It is meant to continue like this until the second coming of yashua. When he will appoint many true israelites by blood to rule with him in his new kingdom. This is there portion and reward as a people whom salvation for the whole came through.

The bolded will not happen on its own, YAHUSHA will not come just because he feels like. There will have to be an awakening first. And that has already begun. ISRAEL will REPENT and take up the laws and commandments of YAH and call upon him as his people ISRAEL. Then YAHUSHA our black MESSIAH will be released from heaven to execute vengeance upon the wicked and bring final destruction to this civilization.

Zachariah 12
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Mathew 23:39
"For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"

ISRAEL will never see him until they throw away that white idol they call MESSIAH. The time is short and only a remnant of Israel shall be saved.

Psalms 149:2-9
[2]Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
[3]Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
[4]For YAHUAH taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
[5]Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
[6]Let the high praises of YAH be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;
[7]To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
[8]To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
[9]To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye YAHUAH.

EMILO2STAY:
you dey see road sha just a that I disagree with you on something's. Jesus might be black but Christianity is not an invention of Rome.

It is actually a display of intellectual mediocrity to call an invention of rome

it was created on the order of emperor Constantine..he wanted a single religion for his empire..Christianity was the product of the council of nicea...the gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk, ..Marduk was the son of enki..it was Athanasius who in other to satisfy all factions said he was both god and man....and probably Eusebius was mandated to create a human history for him....'make it to astonish' was emperor Constantine order to Eusebius...and the gospels where written accordingly...

sonmvayina:


lol, you are just quoting passages without even checking for your self..Isaiah 9:6-7 is about Hezekiah, it is written in present tense , he was already 6 years old when Isaiah was writing....got it, Deuteronomy 18 18 is referencing Joshua...who took over from Moses...please read scriptures in context...the people who wrote it did not add the chapter and verse..those where added by Christians hundreds of years later..

Nor be only Hezekiah... what of Elijah?

So Hezekiah has the government upon his shoulders?
Hezekiah is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
And there will be no end to the greatness of Hezekiah's government and peace.

Maybe Hezekiah is the MESSIAH we are expecting self.

donnie:




Nor be only Hezekiah... what of Elijah?

So Hezekiah has the government upon his shoulders?
Hezekiah is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
And there will be no end to the greatness of Hezekiah's government and peace.

Maybe Hezekiah is the MESSIAH we are expecting self.

the messiah is from the root of David...he must have a father and a mother..jews do not have the idea of god mating with human , it is a roman/greek ideology...

sonmvayina:


it was created on the order of emperor Constantine..he wanted a single religion for his empire..Christianity was the product of the council of nicea...the gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk, ..Marduk was the son of enki..it was Athanasius who in other to satisfy all factions said he was both god and man....and probably Eusebius was mandated to create a human history for him....'make it to astonish' was emperor Constantine order to Eusebius...and the gospels where written accordingly...

shut up. If u don't know what your talking about. Emperor theodosius made christianity the official religion of Rome not constantine

sonmvayina:


the messiah is from the root of David...he must have a father and a mother..jews do not have the idea of god mating with human , it is a roman/greek ideology...

I know about greek mythology. YAHUSHA was born of a Father (His seed is the WORD) and of a woman.
Read about Simon Toko of Angola? Let me know if he qualifies to be Messiah by your standards.

Isaiah 9:6-7

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

No sir, that Isaiah passage is about Jesus Christ, the Messiah and not Hezekiah as you opined.

sonmvayina:


lol, you are just quoting passages without even checking for your self..Isaiah 9:6-7 is about Hezekiah, it is written in present tense , he was already 6 years old when Isaiah was writing....got it, Deuteronomy 18 18 is referencing Joshua...who took over from Moses...please read scriptures in context...the people who wrote it did not add the chapter and verse..those where added by Christians hundreds of years later..

donnie:
Yea right... ties perfectly with the lie you want to promote.

Are the Israelites and Edomites now in their houses right now. Are their descendants in their homes right now donnie, hmm? Are their homes not empty, a state of complete emptiness or destruction, a place of great unhappiness or loneliness? That is what God has made of Esau (i.e. Edom or Idumeans) house, it is empty and deserted fit only for desert jackals to live in, just as is the lot of the Israelites, who have been mongrelised, starting from the first exile done by the Assyrians, then the Babylonians, before the Romans in 70 AD

MuttleyLaff:
... If you could just see what I've cooked up for you unfinished here, you'll be demoralised and your over-inflated ego crushed that will make you go find a corner to go weep and cry in. Smh.

donnie, continue from wikipedia (i.e. History_of_the_Jews_in_Nigeria), be copy and paste here, OK. You think you're being smart doing that, hmm? Fyi donnie, wikipedia is no good to anyone, if you are not able to separate the wheat from chaff, lmao

Look at you. Smh. I feel so sorry for you. What has the tribe of Ephraim, an arch antagonist, the leader of the Northern 10 lost tribes of Israel have to do with the Southern Kingdom of Judah, comprising of the tribe of Benjamin and the tribe of Judah.

If I should drop two or three bombshells on you, here right now about the Yorubas and Ndigbo, you'll fall yakata off from the high horse you're are comfortably sitting on. It is because of your ignorance, that you are taking refugee with Cameroon, lmao. Have you dont a DNA test that ascertained that you are from there, lmao, hmm? Why dont you say you are from the Kaifeng Jews? Oh, its too far away abi, lmao? You're boko, lmao.

You see your life, lmao. Do you see what conjecture has gotten you, lmao, smh.

Have you at all, heard of the Latin text Dum Diversas (i.e. in English, it means ''until different'') It is a papal bull issued on 18 June 1452 by Pope Nicholas V. It authorized Afonso V of Portugal to conquer Saracens and pagans and consign them to "perpetual servitude" lmao. In 1455 Romanus Pontifex(The Roman Pontiff) gave Portugal the right to seize slaves and land in West Africa. In 1456, another Pope Calixtus III, repeated by the earlier papal bull.

Then in 1493, Pope Alexander VI issued another Papal Bull "Inter Caetera" (i.e. its latin and means ''among other [works]'') with what it extends the spheres of influence to certain nation states by authorizing Spain and Portugal to colonize the Americas and its Native peoples as subjects. The decree gave Spain and Portugal, the rights to colonize, convert, and enslave forever, which is a right, as we will see, still stands today.

The Doctrine of Discovery established a spiritual, political, and legal justification for colonization and seizure of land not inhabited by Christians. It of course, also justified the enslavement of Africans, nah.

The English King Henry VII, got in on the act in 1496 and so granted a commission to the Cabots, to go discover countries then unknown to Christian people, and take possession of them in the name of the King of England, lmao.

Listen donnie, when distinction were to be made about skin color of someone like you and I have, lmao, the Bible explicitly makes no mistake of not mentioning it, just like that and how it is, like for example, in Acts 13:1, where it states: "The church at Antioch had several prophets and teachers. They were Barnabas, Simeon, also called Niger (i.e. called the Black), Lucius from Cyrene, Manaen, who was Herod's close friend, and Saul."

donnie, I reiterate man, little learning is a dangerous thinhg, for it puffs one up, and makes one feels that one knows it all and have the world in one's grasp when that just isnt the case. You're far off mark. You are missing so many dots, so arent able to join them to see correctly see the right picture, lmao. Here are a few easy questions for you
1/ Why in the Bible, is Simeon, explicitly called black, donnie, if everyone at that time were still black, lmao?
2/ Do you at all understand at all really understand Genesis 10:2-5 and why Moses 4000 years before even Abram/Abraham and Hebrews/Jews ever existing, is he already mentioning Gentiles, lmao, in Genesis 10:5 "From these the coastland peoples of the Gentiles were separated into their lands, everyone according to his language, according to their families, into their nations"

PS: I'll asap finish up the response post to your other post you posted about chains, shackles, parallel prophecy etcetera, lmao

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donnie:
EMILO2STAY:

Here's a little something for worshippers of that white demon they call J-zeus.

https://www.nairaland.com/5852448/rome-bantus-demon-white-jesus#89462765

What a loadsa of bullshitting, especially when aside of the above mentioned quote, I have already on this thread, generously wrote about the papal bull issued on 18 June 1452 by Pope Nicholas V, authorising Afonso V of Portugal to conquer Saracens and pagans and consign them to "perpetual servitude" lmao. In 1455 Romanus Pontifex(The Roman Pontiff) gave Portugal the right to seize slaves and land in West Africa. In 1456, another Pope Calixtus III, repeated by the earlier papal bull.

Look at the gap nah donnie, 70 AD and 1455 BC, lmao, look at the perfectly neat lies you want to believe and promote, smh lmao

sonmvayina:
it was created on the order of emperor Constantine..he wanted a single religion for his empire..Christianity was the product of the council of nicea...the gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk, ..Marduk was the son of enki..it was Athanasius who in other to satisfy all factions said he was both god and man....and probably Eusebius was mandated to create a human history for him....'make it to astonish' was emperor Constantine order to Eusebius...and the gospels where written accordingly...

Eusebius, yep was a historian and did, enjoy the favour of the Emperor Constantine enough to suck up to him and no doubt definitely played the piper to the dictates of Emperor Constantine. It still doesnt exonerate you from your contradictions though, lmao.

EMILO2STAY:
shut up. If u don't know what your talking about. Emperor theodosius made christianity the official religion of Rome not constantine

MuttleyLaff:
Nwanne you brought me over here by your spamming chronic appeal plastered all over the Religion forum, urging all and sundry, to come visit this thread.

Hmm, defective and elementary you typed? Those that leave in glass houses, shouldnt be throwing stones. Nwanne, Christianity, never started in any upper room on any day of Pentencost. Christianity, as in, Constantine Christianity, in cahoot with the "church" started in Rome

"I was circumcised when I was eight days old.
I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin
—a real Hebrew if there ever was one! I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law."
- Philippians 3:5

"Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said,"
- Acts 13:9

Also Paul, was not as you put it, formerly Saul, this is because Saul and Paul were both already existing names he was known by. As a matter of fact, Saul was his Hebrew name, whilst Paul was his Roman name.

Paul had dual citizenship, he was both Roman and Jewish. He after the Acts 13:9 experience, stuck to using his Roman Paul name, for obvious reasons of the the work ahead and terrain he will be working

I am currently at page 6 since steadily reading from the beginning, but needed to interrupt my reading, in order to quickly interject immediately, as like above and at this point and right here, to say that, legendary'mega is right, in what and where, he typed that the Catholic started Christianity, this so, because the Roman Catholic Church was formed, after shady deal(s) and/or sell-out to the State by the "Church", as it was the Roman Emperors Constantine's and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all, as in, this was a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire, and so paved the way for Christianity to be the official religion of the entire Roman Empire too.

The introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences was a tragic compromise by the early believers, as this resulted in the Romanization and paganization of the early believers' faith and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs, as we not just know but celebrate then and celebrate even up until now.

Anyway, the Roman Empire, adopted the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC) as "official" church during Roman Emperor Constantine's reign, and it's worth noting, that, the supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy or pope) was set up, put into place, aided and abetted through the support of the Roman Emperors (i.e. notably Constantine and his successors)

Recall that I earlier mentioned the Edict of Milan in AD 313, which was a letter signed by the Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius, that proclaimed religious toleration in the Roman Empire, well, in AD 325, Constantine called the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose, like for example Arianism, all about doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D and so Constantine presided over this first ecumenical church council

So quick recap, by the 1st century AD, ekklēsia birthed on the teachings of Jesus Christ and later founded on the day of Pentecost in the upper room with a bunch of 120 believers.

By the 2nd century AD - believers already denouncing teachings, seen as heresies, such as Gnosticism, Montanism etcetera.

In the 4th century AD - ekklēsia was transformed, emerged Christians, an evolved "church", finally gets legalized and then promoted by Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I, as the state church, of the Roman Empire and so yes also that, legendarymega is right, that the Catholics, are the original owner of your bible, because truly, the RCC are the original owner of your bible version(s), because incidentally and truly, those versions were made off the back of "The Vulgate", which was an accepted Latin translation of the original Old and New Testament texts.

Some even called, "The Vulgate", the "The Vulgar" bible. Anyway, Jerome, of RCC, was the person, who translated the original Old and New Testament texts and compiled them into a single volume of the 66 books we have and/or enjoy today

Too many poor and lazy history students is why he and and the likes of our dear donnie have to shut up, instead of continuing to display their contradictions, half baked bad ideas and ignorances in public, lmao

MuttleyLaff:
Are the Israelites and Edomites now in their houses right now. Are their descendants in their homes right now donnie, hmm? Are their homes not empty, a state of complete emptiness or destruction, a place of great unhappiness or loneliness? That is what God has made of Esau (i.e. Edom or Idumeans) house, it is empty and deserted fit only for desert jackals to live in, just as is the lot of the Israelites, who have been mongrelised, starting from the first exile done by the Assyrians, then the Babylonians, before the Romans in 70 AD

You don't know what you are saying because Esau are very much in their houses. Their kingdoms govern and rule this world. They are the god of this world. Anyone who really knows history and the scriptures, and I'm talking about scholars who are willing to tell the truth, know that ROME is ESAU/EDOM.

The Assyrians descended from Taurus, and Caucasus conquered and destroyed Jerusalem, together with Syria; and these, with Phoenicia, became the Roman Empire, and was called Chaldea; as it was in the time of Jesus under Tiberius Caesar. (See Luke 3:1.) From the East the Chaldeans, or Romans, peopled all the west; first Italy, Rome, France, Germany, England and America. Rome was founded by Romulus, 750 B. C. After Jesus 325, Christianity became the established religion, under Constantine;* hence Babylon, Rome, Edom, and Christianity are synonymous.

History informs us that "Edom was conquered by Albianus, King of Chittim, and Edom became under the children of Chittim* from that day;" and this is the reason the Prophet Isaiah speaks, in his 23rd chapter, connectively of Edom and Chittim as one and the same place and people. (See verses 1st, 12th and 13th, and compare these with Jer. ii. 10.)

Origin of Edom, Babylon, and Rome, or Christianity
God says "Amalek was first of the nations , (Amalek was son of Eliphaz, and grandson to Edom or Esau, see Gen. 36:9 and 12,) but his latter end shall be that he perish forever," (Num. 24:20,) and this corresponds with Obadiah and all the rest of the Prophets.

If these words of God be true--we cannot, and should not, spare any pains, however great, in order to ascertain who Esau, or Edom, is. See Gen. 27:30 and 36.

The Spirit of God identifies Edom with Babylon. (See Ps. 137:7 and 8.) "Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom, in the day of Jerusalem, who said Raze it, raze it," (i.e. make bare or destroy the Temple, as Edom did under the Romans,) "even to the foundation thereof." "O daughter of Babylon," &c. Here we see, without any possibility of mistake, that Edom is Babylon , and all sacred and profane history confirms it. Chaldea, or Babylon, was established by Assyria. Isaiah 23:13, says, "Behold the land of the Chaldeans, this people was not till the Assyrian founded it for them. The capital of Chaldea was Babylon. The Assyrian empire embraced the country on both sides of the Tigris. Babel, or Babylon, was founded by Nimrod, (see Gen. x. 10,) about A. M. 3416. The Assyrians descended from Taurus, and Caucasus conquered and destroyed Jerusalem, together with Syria; and these, with Phoenicia, became the Roman Empire, and was called Chaldea; as it was in the time of Jesus under Tiberius Caesar. (See Luke 3:1.) From the East the Chaldeans, or Romans, peopled all the west; first Italy, Rome, France, Germany, England and America. Rome was founded by Romulus, 750 B. C. After Jesus 325, Christianity became the established religion, under Constantine;* hence Babylon, Rome, Edom, and Christianity are synonymous.

* RELIGION OF MONARCHIES--"We may well say that despotism cannot be sustained without an established religion, an union of Church and State. A government tolerating freedom of opinion in religion, must tolerate freedom of opinion in politics; for as religion comprehends duties to society as well as to God, and as rights and duties in society are correlative, freedom in religion necessarily leads to freedom in everything else. All great despots have understood this, and have, therefore, always endeavored to surround themselves with an "odor of sanctity," by courting a connection between religion and politics. For this purpose Constantine the Great professed Christianity, made it the religion of the Roman Empire; and, to counteract its free tendencies, he corrupted it with the old State religion, that Heathen Mythology in which he had been educated. He, therefore, converted the Pantheon into a Church, gave to all its statues of gods and demigods and goddesses the nicknames of he and she saints, stuck up an old statue of Jupiter as an image of St. Peter, and changed all the fast and feast days of the gods in the Calendar to Saints' Days. Diana became the Virgin Mary, Venus, Mary Magdalene, and Minerva, so handy with her needle, was metamorphosed into Saint Dorcas, the patroness of sewing societies. Thus Christianity, which is purely spiritual, (they say,) which tolerates no idolatry, which places no human intermediaries (except Jesus) between God and man, was defiled with the grossness of the very superstitions which it was sent to dispel, to enable a crafty politician to stupefy mankind for the purpose of governing them absolutely."

History informs us that "Edom was conquered by Albianus, King of Chittim, and Edom became under the children of Chittim* from that day;" and this is the reason the Prophet Isaiah speaks, in his 23rd chapter, connectively of Edom and Chittim as one and the same place and people. (See verses 1st, 12th and 13th, and compare these with Jer. ii. 10.)†

* This explains where "the ships of Chittim shall come from," (Rome or the Roman Empire,) mentioned in Numbers 24:24.

So Rome, Edom, and Christianity became, and are, synonymous with Babylon, and therefore is called mystical Babylon;* not only because she had her rise from them, but because of her great Confusion of Tongues as took place in Babel or Babylon, which is confusion, and also from her many sects and divisions springing from that cause. We know too, and are certain that all Protestants first separated themselves and CAME OUT FROM ROME, or the Roman Catholics, in the 16th century, at the Reformation, (so called by Martin Luther.) So by this we see Protestants are of the seed of Rome, and Rome is of the seed of Kittim, or Chittim. See Gen. 10:1-4, and the Book of Jasher 90:8 .

The Great Wise Men and Rabbis Kimchi, Ibn-Ezra, and Maimonides, and Abarbanel, all unite with the foregoing Scripture testimony in saying, that[b] all the Gentile Christians are the seed, or children, of Esau, or Edom, and that "the prophets did not only prophecy against the land of Edom, which is in the neighborhood of the land of Israel, but against the seed of Rome, or Edom, which is of the root, or rather children of Kittim, or Chittim."[/b]

Kimchi says, in his commentary on Joel 3:19, "Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for their violence against the children of Judah."

"The prophet mentions Egypt and Edom; Egypt on account of the Turks, and Edom on account of the Roman Empire; and these two have now had the dominion for a long time, and will continue until the redemption. This is the fourth Beast in the vision of Daniel. And this is said because the majority is composed of Edomites. For although many other nations are mixed among them, as is also the case with the Turkish Empire, they are called from their root," or origin. Kimchi wrote in the 12th century, and therefore includes the Greek empire, because the government of Constantinople was long before overturned.

http://www.jewish-history.com/cresson/cresson25.html

Remember the Turks or Turkish Empire are the Ashkenazi. So even the so-called white Jews (Ashkenazi) are of the seed of Esau. The article says, they have had the dominion for a long time and will continue until redemption. Open your eyes man. I don't like posting long stuff like you because I believe a word is enough for the wise.

sonmvayina:
the messiah is from the root of David...he must have a father and a mother..jews do not have the idea of god mating with human, it is a Roman/Greek ideology...

When you carefully place a priceless vase upon a table, does that mean that the vase is mating the table, hmm, sonmvayina, erhn?

sonmvayina, you back from your ex-Roman Catholic Church days, no doubt have read that God is not into all those scandalous, frivolous, overactive sexual escapades and/or illicit affair acts going on between gods and goddesses or even with human beings.

donnie:
I know about greek mythology. YAHUSHA was born of a Father (His seed is the WORD) and of a woman

"The Angel answered and said to her,
“The Spirit of Holiness shall come and the power of The Highest shall rest upon you,
therefore he who shall be begotten in you shall be Holy and he shall be called the Son of God.”"
- Luke 1:35

The woman was impregnated through the means of the Spirit of Holiness and the overshadowed power of The Highest to produce the begotten Son, God incarnate, Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and expected Saviour of the whole wide world. Praise YAH Alleluia.

It is very important to catch and understand properly the meaning of the word "Holy". That word is translated from the Greek word "hagios," and simply means to "set apart for a purpose by and/or for God"

donnie:
Read about Simon Toko of Angola? Let me know if he qualifies to be Messiah by your standards.

"For there will arise false christs, and false prophets,
and they will show great signs and wonders,
so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones."
- Matthew 24:24

MuttleyLaff:

What a loadsa of bullshitting, especially when aside of the above mentioned quote, I have already on this thread, generously wrote about the papal bull issued on 18 June 1452 by Pope Nicholas V, authorising Afonso V of Portugal to conquer Saracens and pagans and consign them to "perpetual servitude" lmao. In 1455 Romanus Pontifex(The Roman Pontiff) gave Portugal the right to seize slaves and land in West Africa. In 1456, another Pope Calixtus III, repeated by the earlier papal bull.

Look at the gap nah donnie, 70 AD and 1455 BC, lmao, look at the perfectly neat lies you want to believe and promote, smh lmao

Your problem is simply ignorance. Over 1 million Jews (ancient black Jews) fled the destruction of Jerusalem (by Romans) into North Africa. Several years later, many of these Jews joined the Moors from North Africa to conquer Spain and Portugal. They were the ones who later became victims of the Spanish inquisition where they were persecuted and expelled back into Africa.

In his book ‘From Babylon to Timbuktu’ Rudolf R Windsor speaks of the scattering of Israelites in Africa:
‘In the year 65B.C. the Roman armies under General Pompey captured Jerusalem. In 70 A.D. General Vespasian and his son, Titus put an end to the Jewish state, with great slaughter. During the period of the military governors of Palestine, many outrages and atrocities were committed against the residue of the people. During the period of Pompey to Julius, it has been estimated that over 1,000,000 Jews (Israelites) fled into Africa, fleeing from Roman persecution and slavery. The slave markets were full of black Jewish slaves.’Millions of Israelites who escaped the persecution of the Roman-Jewish war fled into the interiors of Africa.

In his book ‘Jewish Roots in Africa,’ Mr Litchtblau says this:
"Pressed under sweeping regional conflicts, Jews settled as traders and warriors in Yemen, the Horn of Africa, Egypt, the kingdom of Kush and Nubia, North African Punic settlements (Carthage and Velubilis), and areas now covered by Mauritania. More migrants followed these early Jewish settlers to Northern Africa…"

Matthew 24: 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains (Atlas Mountains):

The real (black) Jews founded several settlements and kingdoms in Africa...

#AwakeOIsrael

MuttleyLaff:


The woman was impregnated through the means of the Spirit of Holiness and the overshadowed power of The Highest to produce the begotten Son, God incarnate, Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and expected Saviour of the whole wide world. Praise YAH Alleluia.

It is very important to catch and understand properly the meaning of the word "Holy". That word is translated from the Greek word "hagios," and simply means to "set apart for a purpose by and/or for God"

"For there will arise false christs, and false prophets,
and they will show great signs and wonders,
so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones."
- Matthew 24:24

who ask you?

MuttleyLaff:
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You're skating on thin ice, lmao, bro.

1/ How possibly might Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior of the whole wide world be black, hmm? Dont let donnie, scam you with all these his bereft of 2 Timothy 2:15 and Proverbs 4:7-9 in it.
2/ What have you in mind, that's making you want to tentatively nurse such a stretch out my neck, lmao, notion, hmm?
3/ Have you yet slowly, quietly, carefully and thoughtfully gone over Genesis Chapter 9 yet?

if you dont know that christ was not and never a white man in 2020 with all biblical and historical evidence then you aint started digging yet

MuttleyLaff:
"[i]
From the word go, there originally and fundamentally were two kinds of Christianities to start with. There was the Antioch Christianity and there was the Constantine Christianity. Both are inventions, and neither were founded by Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior of the whole wide world. There is a very good reason, why Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, deliberately chose and consciously selected the term "[i]ecclesia" as the epitome of what and how He see everybody called out to congregate. Praise YAH. Alleluia. I am getting goose pimples right now after typing that part about Jesus Christ and "ecclesia"

the ecclesia were first called christians in antioch pls dont flatter yourself. There is no confusion here. Jesus aka yuashua is the founder of christianity as the name it self
implies christ like.
Constantines Christianity is simply a copy of the original Christianity founded by christ which Rome mixed up with paganism. There are no two kinds of christianity originally pls stop sounding ridiculous just because you want to appear as an intellectual.

Bodydialect57:
Isaiah 9:6-7

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

No sir, that Isaiah passage is about Jesus Christ, the Messiah and not Hezekiah as you opined.

This is what you get when you read the English translation of a Hebrew scripture from a Greek translation..why don't you read the one that is translated from Hebrew directly to English and decide for your self..

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15940/jewish/Chapter-9.htm