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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody:
freshboi88:
Let me ask u a question.

In whose name do u pray..in the name of Jehovah and the name of Jesus?
@ Matthew 6:9 Jesus referred to Jehovah as "Our father"

So it's none of your business how i relate with my own father! John 14:13 smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:47am On May 13, 2020
Peacefullove:
If it doesnt mean personality, O boy define Never end . and tell me how Jesus dying fit the context of the word " Never end "

Never definition

at no time in the past or future; not ever.
" or not at all.


Oya over to you .
Show us the GREEK word(s) translate to PERSONALITY in that verse if not ramain silent forever as your father the Devil.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 9:47am On May 13, 2020
Faithful4real:
Hmm you need Jesus.
Just as you do! smiley
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 10:26am On May 13, 2020
Maximus69:
They are wrong shey? cheesy

Yet on another thread when someone asked a question about faith in God you entered without a second thought and directly quoted (not the Bible) but the publication of this same Organization! huh

Hmmmmmmmmmm surely they pick scriptures to back up their claims and someone is trying to use their teachings to explain Christianity out there! cheesy
Maximus69: They are wrong shey?

Achorladey: You know the answer already and let me aid you read the whole of Romans 8 from the beginning to end was it distinction about GOING to heaven and REMAINING on EARTH. Was it about those who qualifies to eat EMBLEMS and those that do not qualify to EAT the Emblems?

Fear and not wanting to be SEEN as LYING no go allow you do what I asked you on that thread. The reason you came here to this thread to repeat the same stuff.

You still cannot retrieve my first post on that thread. SMH for you. The day you retrieve that post that day you will see YOURSELF for MIRROR. Hahahahahaha.


By the way you still typed your ORGANIZATION is not a CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION here too after being shown EVIDENCE that kept you mute on other THREAD.

Oga Maximus69 alias I AM THROUGH WITH YOU
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:27am On May 13, 2020
freshboi88:
But when an incredible daily publishes an unsubstantiated report about RCCG. Tht one is true. Do u see Ur hypocrisy.

Meanwhile

1 John 5
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

Trinity stamped, signed and sealed.
Okokobioko !!!
Wayo Freshboi dey use FORGERY to defend FRAUD !! grin

Johanine comma is a FRAUDULENT text.

Shame on Freshboi grin grin grin grin

Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m):
freshboi88:
as God don catch Dr.

ZECHARIAH 12:
10“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit a of grace and supplication. They will look on b me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Abeg who is speaking in this verse?
As usual they'll deny it...that's what you get when you inject personal interpretations into the scripture.

Take for instance, the Heb 1:10-12 they were ascribing to Jehovah.

But in their support for the insertion of the Jehovah in the New Testament one of their main point is that where the New Testament writers quoted from the Old Testament.

Then they say:

[b]"When discussing "Restoring the Divine Name," the New World Bible Translation Committee states: "To know where the divine name was replaced by the Greek words Ky´ri·os and The·os´, we have determined where the inspired Christian writers have quoted verses, passages and expressions from the Hebrew Scriptures and then we have referred back to the Hebrew text to ascertain whether the divine name appears there. In this way we determined the identity to give Ky´ri·os and The·os´ and the personality with which to clothe them." Explaining further, the Committee said: "To avoid overstepping the bounds of a translator into the field of exegesis, we have been most cautious about rendering the divine name in the Christian Greek Scriptures, always carefully considering the Hebrew Scriptures as a background. We have looked for agreement from the Hebrew versions to confirm our rendering." Such agreement from Hebrew versions exists in all the 237 places that the New World Bible Translation Committee has rendered the divine name in the body of its translation." Insight on the Scriptures - Volume 2 p.267[/b]
Look at the above statement, then compare it to fraud they did in Hebrew 1:10

The Psalm 102 that the Hebrew writer cited was translated in verse 1 asap "O Jehovah..." so which means they understand that verse is referring to Jehovah.

Then when they will translate Heb 1:10 it was "And: “At the beginning, O Lord,..."

Why not "And: At the Beginning Oh Jehovah?"

The reason they didn't put Jehovah in that Heb 1 is because the people behind their translation know that Heb 1:10 is a reference to the Son and by doing so the text will make Jesus to be Jehovah.

You can see their double standard.

Thou it's only their online e-warrior that is changing the meaning of that Hebrew 1:10 because everybody knows it was in reference to Jesus.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:51am On May 13, 2020
achorladey:
Maximus69: They are wrong shey?

Achorladey: You know the answer already and let me aid you read the whole of Romans 8 from the beginning to end was it distinction about GOING to heaven and REMAINING on EARTH. Was it about those who qualifies to eat EMBLEMS and those that do not qualify to EAT the Emblems?

Fear and not wanting to be SEEN as LYING no go allow you do what I asked you on that thread. The reason you came here to this thread to repeat the same stuff.

You still cannot retrieve my first post on that thread. SMH for you. The day you retrieve that post that day you will see YOURSELF for MIRROR. Hahahahahaha.


By the way you still typed your ORGANIZATION is not a CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION here too after being shown EVIDENCE that kept you mute on other THREAD.

Oga Maximus69 alias I AM THROUGH WITH YOU
YES, I'm through with you!

Only showing how sincere and honest hearted you are,quoting the publication of the same organization (out of over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians with conflicting doctrines and contradicting teachings) to validate Christian values in another thread but here saying they made a wrong claim!

Haba, how come you never quoted another religion out there when it comes to Christian values but this same group?

Jesus when talking about the group that will merit been called his own said

"by their FRUIT you will know them, a GOOD tree can't produce routine fruits and an EVIL tree can never bear fine fruit"! Matthew 7:15-20

So Mr Achorladey, with your hands you've judged yourself by typing that the one and only group you could present as having the real Christian values is wrong! Isaiah 5:20 wink
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 11:07am On May 13, 2020
Maximus69:
YES, I'm through with you!

Only showing how sincere and honest hearted you are,quoting the publication of the same organization (out of over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians with conflicting doctrines and contradicting teachings) to validate Christian values in another thread but here saying they made a wrong claim!

Haba, how come you never quoted another religion out there when it comes to Christian values but this same group?

Jesus when talking about the group that will merit been called his own said

"by their FRUIT you will know them, a GOOD tree can't produce routine fruits and an EVIL tree can never bear fine fruit"! Matthew 7:15-20

So Mr Achorladey, with your hands you've judged yourself by typing that the one and only group you could present as having the real Christian values is wrong! Isaiah 5:20 wink
What's left CONSOLATION CONSOLATION galore.

You cannot even still bring that post. Yet you bragged about Christian VALUES you even use "CHRISTIAN". I thought that name have been ABUSED by "churchgoers". Hahahahaha. Why not use JWs VALUES as if they are the MANUFACTURER of such VALUES.

Fear could not allow you bring the first post on the THREAD and the article alongside the one cited from the AWAKE. Na that BOAST BOAST after that nothing more.

Mr Maximus69 alias always through with me.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 11:25am On May 13, 2020
Emusan:
It's obvious you're frustrated and it's boldly written in your countenance....calm down!

So next time check your post well before submitting and safe me from copy and paste, if such happened again, I won't reply you.



If only if you know when the Divine Nature joined the Human Body

Which is the important of that Col 2:9





He claimed what God sent into the womb of Mary is LIFE FORCE and at the same time said THE LIFE FORCE isn't THE ACTUAL PERSON....so tell us what did the Father send?


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God transferred the life of his Son into the womb of Mary to be born in the likeness of men.
At that point, Jesus seized to exist in the spiritual realm. So says Romans 8:3.


Nobody ever dwells in both realms at the same time... NONE at ALL !

Colossians 2:9 was penned by Paul when Jesus Christ was already in heaven.
As a heavenly being living with a spiritual body , divine nature dwells in Jesus spiritual body in the spiritual realm.
Paul was not writing about Jesus Christ life on earth.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 11:59am On May 13, 2020
Your frustration won't allow you to rest, that why you keep jumping up and down as a lost soul.

It's just so unfortunate how you people keep contradicting and disgracing yourself here.

Janosky:
God transferred the life of his Son into the womb of Mary to be born in the likeness of men.
At that point, Jesus seized to exist in the spiritual realm. So says Romans 8:3.
Before we continue this, answer these questions:

1. Was the LIFE, THE SON HIMSELF (even though your deluded brother has already said, the LIFE FORCE isn't the actual person)?
2. Was the LIFE conscious of ITSELF?
3. Was the LIFE has a nature that it DWELL of not?

Nobody ever dwells in both realms at the same time... NONE at ALL!
But Divine Nature DWELL in Bodily

Colossians 2:9 was penned by Paul when Jesus Christ was already in heaven.
As a heavenly being living with a spiritual body , divine nature dwells in Jesus spiritual body in the spiritual realm.
Paul was not writing about Jesus Christ life on earth.
At least you agreed that DIVINE NATURE DWELL IN THE SPIRITUAL BODY, which actually means what that verse was talking about is that SOMETHING DWELL in BODILY not DIVINE QUALITY

Which means NWT is wrong for using DIVINE QUALITY

It's evident that you've seen this truth probably from all your trusted COMMENTARIES you've consulted.

Or let me say, can you support this your statement "Paul was not writing about Jesus Christ life on earth"

With any commentaries you know?

Anyways, this your own version not only ridiculous but keep roping you into more trouble.

Imagine DIVINE NATURE DWELLS in SPIRITUAL BODY when SPIRITUAL BODY ITSELF IS A DIVINE NATURE.

your mumu never do


So was Jesus on earth when the same Apostle Paul wrote "There is only one mediator between God and man, THE MAN JESUS..."

I wish you can copy your deluded brothers as you normally do.

God is exposing your lying mouth small small....
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 12:08pm On May 13, 2020
Emusan:
Your frustration won't allow you to rest, that why you keep jumping up and down as a lost soul.

It's just so unfortunate how you people keep contradicting and disgracing yourself here.



Before we continue this, answer these questions:

1. Was the LIFE, THE SON HIMSELF (even though your deluded brother has already said, the LIFE FORCE isn't the actual person)?
2. Was the LIFE conscious of ITSELF?
3. Was the LIFE has a nature that it DWELL of not?



But Divine Nature DWELL in Bodily



At least you agreed that DIVINE NATURE DWELL IN THE SPIRITUAL BODY, which actually means what that verse was talking about is that SOMETHING DWELL in BODILY not DIVINE QUALITY

Which means NWT is wrong for using DIVINE QUALITY

It's evident that you've seen this truth probably from all your trusted COMMENTARIES you've consulted.

Or let me say, can you support this your statement "Paul was not writing about Jesus Christ life on earth"

With any commentaries you know?

Anyways, this your own version not only ridiculous but keep roping you into more trouble.

Imagine DIVINE NATURE DWELLS in SPIRITUAL BODY when SPIRITUAL BODY ITSELF IS A DIVINE NATURE.

your mumu never do


So was Jesus on earth when the same Apostle Paul wrote "There is only one mediator between God and man, THE MAN JESUS..."

I wish you can copy your deluded brothers as you normally do.

God is exposing your lying mouth small small....
Mumu man , divine nature= divine quality.
Jesus is living in the spirit realm where Divine quality dwells in his spiritual body in heaven.
Receive SENSE
Mumu man, flesh and blood can not dwell in heaven.
The spiritual body in heaven is different from the physical body on earth.

On earth he was in the likeness of men and the image of God like every other men.

Mumu man, you are hereby claiming that divine nature was put to death angry grin

The Scriptures say the man Jesus was put to death but was raised into the spiritual realm with a spiritual body where divine quality dwells.
Life giving spirit is no longer a man.
Emusan receive SENSE
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 12:15pm On May 13, 2020
Janosky:
Mumu man , divine nature= divine quality.
Jesus is living in the spirit realm where Divine quality dwells in his spiritual body.
Receive SENSE
Mumu man, flesh and blood can not dwell in heaven.
On earth he was in the likeness of men and the image of God like every other men.
See the way this deluded and ignorant somebody boycotted my post!

So if Divine nature = Divine Quality

Now it's divine nature = divine quality....this idiot is confused!

What is the nonsense that you people have been shouting since that those resurrected in heaven will have the DIVINE NATURE that Jesus Christ has?

Keep changing mouth....I'm here for you!
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 12:55pm On May 13, 2020
Emusan:
It's obvious you're frustrated and it's boldly written in your countenance....calm down!
Dont project your feelings to me , this isn't the first time am dealing with your antics u know ?

So next time check your post well before submitting and safe me from copy and paste, if such happened again, I won't reply you.
U wan run ? grin grin

If only if you know when the Divine Nature joined the Human Body

Which is the important of that Col 2:9
When did it Joined the Body ?

You can't escape it , Mary gave birth to GODS NATURE. Making her Mother of God!

Shut up....you liar!

He claimed what God sent into the womb of Mary is LIFE FORCE and at the same time said THE LIFE FORCE isn't THE ACTUAL PERSON....so tell us what did the Father send?


Olodo...
Not even you can explain what occurred or how he became a baby. I said that part is a miracle , Leave it as that. Its like trying to explain which sperm fertilize Marys Eggs

If Jesus must follow that format and only human, how come Jesus be able to TRANSFIGURE at the mount?

Don't boycott this question?
And who da hell told you transfiguration was Real ?

Its just a vision.

So was this particular TEXT not for ALL THE DEAD?

This is where you shot yourself in the foot.

Which means ALL DEAD will be resurrected with a SPIRITUAL BODY!

Then Apostle Paul also confirmed this in Romans 6:5;

ASV: For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;

AMP: For if we have become one with Him [permanently united] in the likeness of His death, we will also certainly be [one with Him and share fully] in the likeness of His resurrection.

BRG: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

CSB: For if we have been united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be in the likeness of his resurrection.

KJV: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Hello! I know spiritual is opposed to physical. So its either your knowledge of applying that text to everyone is so low . or Bible verses that mention God dwelling with physical humans is a Lie
Point remains Jesus can't be a Spirit and retain physical body.

Olodo.....Do the angel claim to have FLESH and BONES like Jesus said?
An angel that appear as man have it . You forgot an angel fight with Jacob. Na soft flesh he use fight or bone ?

Dey use sense na. What happen in Jesus case is just as this angels.

What did you expect the Angel to say, when it's what the woman told her husband that the husband asked the angel....

Your ignorance is sticking.

So if you agree that the Angel was FULLY MAN

Then you shot yourself in the foot again because after the burnt offering the same MAN went to heaven as the flame ascended. So your Man will enter heaven with FLESH AND BONES.
Neither did Jesus claim to be fully man either . The angel agree he was a man at that moment. Simple !!!

DIVINE NATURE DWELL in BODILY....

Only if you know when the hypothetical natures joined together.
When did it Join ?

So he was first born without it until he slept one day and pheeew it dissapear inside of him. Gist me ?

That Mary na Mother of God . na today


Then who said image of the heavenly one is the same as Image of God!
So its not the same , Lollllzzzzz , why are you now equating it , So what's the image of the heavenly one ?

That was the reason I said you just jump like kangaroo into what you didn't know and begins to talk rubbish.
Talking in a nonsense . grin Face the matter
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 12:55pm On May 13, 2020
Emusan:
As usual they'll deny it...that's what you get when you inject personal interpretations into the scripture.

Take for instance, the Heb 1:10-12 they were ascribing to Jehovah.

But in their support for the insertion of the Jehovah in the New Testament one of their main point is that where the New Testament writers quoted from the Old Testament.

Then they say:



Look at the above statement, then compare it to fraud they did in Hebrew 1:10

The Psalm 102 that the Hebrew writer cited was translated in verse 1 asap "O Jehovah..." so which means they understand that verse is referring to Jehovah.

Then when they will translate Heb 1:10 it was "And: “At the beginning, O Lord,..."

Why not "And: At the Beginning Oh Jehovah?"

The reason they didn't put Jehovah in that Heb 1 is because the people behind their translation know that Heb 1:10 is a reference to the Son and by doing so the text will make Jesus to be Jehovah.

You can see their double standard.

Thou it's only their online e-warrior that is changing the meaning of that Hebrew 1:10 because everybody knows it was in reference to Jesus.
It's visible to blind and audible to the deaf
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 1:00pm On May 13, 2020
Emusan:
Show us the GREEK word(s) translate to PERSONALITY in that verse if not ramain silent forever as your father the Devil.
Jesus been the same yesterday, today and forever never means he never died. Accepted ?

If he dies, tell me how even dying for one seconds fit into the context of years " Never end " at Heb 1:10-12
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 1:02pm On May 13, 2020
freshboi88:
This guy nah cockroach. Where did u c but in the verse?

@Rozz shey u c how JW dey turn scripture upside down

@Peacefullove where is the but in the verse....if but no dey make lie kill u there....wht do u gain by twisting scripture
Read the quote how can u Peirce me and someone else is mourned ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:03pm On May 13, 2020
Janosky:
Okokobioko !!!
Wayo Freshboi dey use FORGERY to defend FRAUD !! grin

Johanine comma is a FRAUDULENT text.

Shame on Freshboi grin grin grin grin
Nah scripture I quote o.........@Janosky say scripture nah fraud. ........hahahaha.

Shey Una c how I don defeat JW. Now to bury them .

@Janosky wetin u fit tell us about Beth Sarim?

Abi u tink say we no go know?....dem no teach u Beth Sarim for Ur indoctrination house?

@Rozz do u know about Beth Sarim

@CANTICLES @Maximus69 @Barristter07 @Jozzy4 tell us about Beth Sarim
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:05pm On May 13, 2020
Peacefullove:
Read the quote how can u Peirce me and someone else is mourned ?
Nah me wan teach u English, go and ask Ur English Teacher.

Zechariah 12:10 has killed u all....

To bury u tell us what u know about Beth Sarim?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:06pm On May 13, 2020
Peacefullove:
Jesus been the same yesterday, today and forever never means he never died. Accepted ?

If he dies, tell me how even dying for one seconds fit into the context of years " Never end " at Heb 1:10-12
The ways of God is not the ways of men.....how was Jesus conceived?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 1:07pm On May 13, 2020
freshboi88:
The ways of God is not the ways of men.....how was Jesus conceived?
Are you denying Jesus died now ? O boyyyyyyyyyyy
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 1:09pm On May 13, 2020
freshboi88:
Nah me wan teach u English, go and ask Ur English Teacher.

Zechariah 12:10 has killed u all....

To bury u tell us what u know about Beth Sarim?
It is you it killed . Pieced me but it says they will mourn him

How many persons dey speak in that verse ? Brain.washed
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:11pm On May 13, 2020
Peacefullove:
It is you it killed . Pieced me but it says they will mourn him

How many persons dey speak in that verse ? Brain.washed
If thts the line u wanna go.

Let's start with the one who they will pierce...who is that....Jehovah ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:12pm On May 13, 2020
Peacefullove:
Are you denying Jesus died now ? O boyyyyyyyyyyy
I am comm with a complete Olodo!!!??

Answer question mumu.......how was Christ conceived?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 1:14pm On May 13, 2020
freshboi88:
If thts the line u wanna go.

Let's start with the one who they will pierce...who is that....Jehovah ?
Person wey no get sense. Dey Pierce the Father and mourn the son.

Show me when the Father was pierced ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 1:15pm On May 13, 2020
freshboi88:
I am comm with a complete Olodo!!!??

Answer question mumu.......how was Christ conceived?
Your years never end , tell me how someone who died fit the context of never . why are you struggling with this. Just say Jesus never die for anybody. I will understand
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:16pm On May 13, 2020
Peacefullove:
Person wey no get sense. Dey Pierce the Father and mourn the son.

Show me when the Father was pierced ?
This guy no get sense o

I asked a question nah....abi u blind nii

Who is pierced nah?...... U way get sense tell me who dem pierce
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:16pm On May 13, 2020
Peacefullove:
Your years never end , tell me how someone who died fit the context of never . why are you struggling with this. Just say Jesus never die for anybody. I will understand
How was Jesus conceived?......ur eye blind to this question
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 1:18pm On May 13, 2020
freshboi88:
This guy no get sense o

I asked a question nah....abi u blind nii

Who is pierced nah?...... U way get sense tell me who dem pierce
It says they will pierce the Father, ( na the Father name be Yahweh God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ) so na him dem Pierce according to the brainwash you quote. And mourn the son grin grin so I need where the Father was pierced ?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:22pm On May 13, 2020
Peacefullove:
It says they will pierce the Father, ( na the Father name be Yahweh God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ) so na him dem Pierce according to the brainwash you quote. And mourn the son grin grin so I need where the Father was pierced ?
Read wht u wrote carefully and c whether u hve communicated.
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 1:23pm On May 13, 2020
freshboi88:
How was Jesus conceived?......ur eye blind to this question
He don hang , grin
Through Mary , wetin happen?

Question is did he ever die ?
How is that fitted in the context of years never end?
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:24pm On May 13, 2020
Peacefullove:
It says they will pierce the Father, ( na the Father name be Yahweh God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob ) so na him dem Pierce according to the brainwash you quote. And mourn the son grin grin so I need where the Father was pierced ?
Just two questions

1. Who was pierced
2. How was Jesus conceived?

They are simple question, I dnt know y they have gat u running around like an headless chicken
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88(op): 1:25pm On May 13, 2020
Peacefullove:
He don hang , grin
Through Mary , wetin happen?

Question is did he ever die ?
How is that fitted in the context of years never end?
How through Mary?..... Can a woman give birth on her own...wasn't she a virgin?
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