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Maximus69:
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By their FRUIT you will know them~ Jesus of Nazareth! Matthew 7:20

I think every right thinking person supposed to be ASHAMED of being a member of such a group! Isaiah 5:20

By raping women up and down that's how u pple make peace

freshboi88:
How can Peter be an eye witness to a vision. Does it make sense to you. So the human eyes can now see into the subconscious?

That's what delusion can caused.

You can see his lying and twisted mouth...

Imagine even said Peter is an EYESWITNESS to a VISION and this is the same person who has been trying to proof that VISION isn't REALITY.

First time I'll hear someone bear an EYESWITNESS to non reality event.

Emusan:
That's what delusion can caused.

You can see his lying and twisted mouth...

Imagine even said Peter is an EYESWITNESS to a VISION and this is the same person who has been trying to proof that VISION isn't REALITY.

First time I'll hear someone bear an EYESWITNESS to non reality event.

It's just plain dumb. The guys intelligence is -100.
Immediately he said that it just confirmed my suspicion that he is really dull

freshboi88:
By raping women up and down that's how u pple make peace

Freshboi88, You dey see the JUNK GIBBERISH wey pastorpreneurs Olebwoy inject into your brain ?

freshboi88:
By raping women up and down that's how u pple make peace

Oh no, frustration has set in again!

Perhaps these beautiful ladies were raped to accept our messages!

My guy be careful, there is just a tin line between frustration and madness!

Janosky:
Freshboi88, You dey see the JUNK GIBBERISH wey pastorpreneurs Olebwoy inject into your brain ?

Janosky @Peacefullove said transfiguration was not real, he said it was a vision. We don enter am. I think say I go help am but I dey dodge

Emusan:
And I've told you that no sperm fertilized the egg the human nature was done by the Holy Spirit.

The other one isn't miracle because THE PERSON existed in heaven before He was SENT TO EARTH.

In doing so, you're to tell us WHAT THE FATHER SENT

Was is it the WHOLE PERSON which include both Divine Nature, Consciousness, and Intelligence?

If its not a miracle , Why wasn't he sent as an adult but turned into a Baby ?? Its obvious you are just grasping for straws

because of your lack of comprehension you've forgotten the point of view which is centered of DIVINE NATURE DWELL in BODILY....

No, I didn't. Mary Carried Gods nature in her womb for 9 months . Bravo!

Mary is the Mother of God!

So, by knowing what the Father sent then we can know if it's QUALITY/Nature.

But it's evident you know the implication of revealing who the Father sent that's why you keep dodging the question.

And if you failed to answer that now, that's end to our discussion!

Its been long that you wanted to run away na , Act 12:9 dey pour sand into your garri . sorry ehn

Answer my question first, idiot!

What did the Father sent?

Complete person including divine nature or just LIFE FORCE?

Do you agree Mary carried Gods nature in her Womb for 9 months ??

Finally your dull brain now picked up GAZE

Olodo....how can you gaze at what isn't real?

Gaze simply means see .

Horama as defined by NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon


" that which is seen, spectacle
a sight divinely granted in an ecstasy or in a sleep, a vision "


Can your Dull brain now see that its Just a sight ?

It Horama was reality , it means Peter knew that the angel was real , and the verse lied he doesnt.

Also, you only GAZED AT something with your naked eyes.

That's why I that you earlier that vision is different from dream! because vision mostly happenes when the person is FULLY CONSCIOUS with ALL THE SENSES

But your dull skull couldn't just grasp it.

Vision is not Reality either . The SIGHT of Animals coming down from heaven gazed at by Peter , Real ??

You dont just have sense

WHICH FORM DID THE VERSE SAY THEY APPEARED?

Was that not my first question to you?

Barawo....

Why are you scared to say they are physically present in reality ??

You said Ananiah wasn't physically present , so you understand the case of Paul ,
WERE MOSES AND ELIJAH PHYSICALLY PRESENT ?

It's evident that you've lost touch with the main point and the only thing left is to be beating about the bush.

I said Jesus transfigured "BEFORE THEM" which is what the verse says but you went on to bring the story of Ananiah which is different from the point I raised.

Now, you lump the whole thing together on VISION...

HORAMA is not a depiction of reality , that was my point.


Act 12:9

The word REAL in that verse Alethes

alēthḗs ("what can't be hidden" stresses undeniable reality [b]

[b] Is Alethes a synonym of Horama ?

Oma se oooo

And Apostle Peter himself testified to this when he said "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain."

Can you see as your life outside?

Matt 16 vs 28
Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they SEE the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

This is what Peter was referencing. They see by means of a vision the future coming of the son of man.

Horama is not Reality neither is it a synonym

You're still confused!

The question you refused to answer is what hurting you now.

Are all FOLLOWERS of Christ going to die with Christ?

The more you keep dodging questions the more it will keep hurting you.



Oponu oshi...

I have given you reasons why its not all .

Until You are ready to prove that all the righteous in the second ressurection are not Christians !

Go and read the story of Jacob very well from a scholarly source because the more you stick with watchtower magazine and awake the more your dull brain will remain.

Dont be a Fool , It was Real . The angel possess Flesh and bones just as Jesus

I guess he is Fully human . Silly

Jesus statement is this "NIV: Look at My hands and My feet. See! It is I, Myself! Touch Me and see for yourself. A spirit does not have flesh and bones as I have.”

NLT: Look at my hands. Look at my feet. You can see that it’s really me. Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost, because ghosts don’t have bodies, as you see that I do.”

NWT: See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.”

Only a chronicle liar will read another meaning into this verse.

He proved the figure seen right. Just as that angel can be called a Man

Then the angel entered heaven with the human body!

You know its not possible but trying to grab straws , what matters is He appeared as a man and claimed to be one.

freshboi88:
Janosky @Peacefullove said transfiguration was not real, he said it was a vision. We don enter am. I think say I go help am but I dey dodge

Act 12:9 would have cured your delusion
The word REAL is Alethes , and its not a synonym for Horama. When u go get sense ?

Emusan:
You're a great idiot....

Even after quoting Peter own statement for you, what did you say? It means he was there to WITNESS the VISION. is that what EYESWITNESS means?

Liar like your father the devil...

I've even said from onset that, if it's a vision, then no need of Jesus TAKING THEM TO A SECRET PLACE because vision can happen in the midst of millions people but only the person(s) receiving the vision will know what is happening while the rest won't even aware of anything.

So for Christ to take them to SECRET PLACE with Horama as SOMETHING GASED AT and from Peter own statement that HE WAS AN EYESWITNESS truly prove you to be a liar.

Mumu, How many persons were there When Peter Saw the vision OF THe ANIMALS from heaven ?

Your logic is like saying why didn't God showed him the Vision when he was with others and not when he separated himself to the housetop to pray ?

It proves nothing, Neither the animals were real just as Moses and Elijah too were not real . Tell me if neither the animals or Elijah and Moses were physically present ??

When you even notice that I was the one who first asked you that question which you couldn't answer but trying to proof that it's not REAL but VISION with a twisted mouth because you know if you take it to be REALITY then you've roped yourself into trouble which is the reason you've been fighting tooth and nail to shift it into VISION.

Mumu

Do you know the implication of that jargons you wrote up there , It means Since Peter thinketh the presence of the Angel is an horama, Peter already knew it was Reality!!! Making Act 12:9 a LIE !!!

Peter didn't knew it was Reality . Peter thoughts were WRONG that it was an horama , an unreal sight or vision.


And beautiful thing is Horama is not a synonym of Alethes which is ReALITY !!!

freshboi88:
Janosky @Peacefullove said transfiguration was not real, he said it was a vision. We don enter am. I think say I go help am but I dey dodge

Let this enter the head of you and Emusan , If horama was Reality , it means Peter knew the angel was Real ( Act 12:9 ) , but sorry it says he doesnt . There is a different between presence of a person via horama and presence of a person via reality.

Act 12:9 will wound you guys real bad.

New set of JW coming to defend their stands,so far so good it's been verses and counter verses.You guys are good

freshboi88:
Janosky @Peacefullove said transfiguration was not real, he said it was a vision. We don enter am. I think say I go help am but I dey dodge

Moses and Elijah are still in their graves awaiting resurrection! Revelations 20:13

According to God's word, the dead knows nothing {146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10} so they can't praise God! Psalms 115:17

Therefore what those three Apostles saw while Jesus stood discussing with Moses and Elijah (both dead) was a vision not a reality!

Maximus69:
Moses and Elijah are still in their graves!

According to God's word, the dead knows nothing {146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10} so they can't praise God! Psalms 115:17

Therefore what those three Apostles saw while Jesus stood discussing with Moses and Elijah (both dead) was a vision not a reality!

If you want to see how clueless their Reality claims are , Ask them if Moses and Elijah were physically present ? They will dodge because a physical present demand a physical body, AND THEY WILL NEED TO EXPLAIN WHERE THE TWO GOT THIS BODY FROM WHEN JESUS IS YET TO DIE TALKLESS OF RESSURECTION OCCURING. EMUSAN has been running away from that since 1900 BCE

freshboi88:
It's just plain dumb. The guys intelligence is -100.
Immediately he said that it just confirmed my suspicion that he is really dull

You got it right!

Peacefullove:
If you want to see how clueless their Reality claims are , Ask them if Moses and Elijah were physically present ? They will dodge because a physical present demand a physical body, AND THEY WILL NEED TO EXPLAIN WHERE THE TWO GOT THIS BODY FROM WHEN JESUS IS YET TO DIE TALKLESS OF RESSURECTION OCCURING. EMUSAN has been running away from that since 1900 BCE

Wetin them sabi?

Is it not just to argue and feel happy that they're contending with JWs?

At least they're quoting Bible and arguing with JWs, that one don do them!

If truthfully they know what to preach, let them go out there and make disciples nah!

Peacefullove:
If you want to see how clueless their Reality claims are , Ask them if Moses and Elijah were physically present ? They will dodge because a physical present demand a physical body, AND THEY WILL NEED TO EXPLAIN WHERE THE TWO GOT THIS BODY FROM WHEN JESUS IS YET TO DIE TALKLESS OF RESSURECTION OCCURING. EMUSAN has been running away from that since 1900 BCE

The rich man was begging father Abraham to instruct Lazarus to deep his finger into water and cool his tongue in his torments.
These critics are happier than ever that you guys are giving them the opportunity to argue with you, otherwise the gibberish their Pastors infused in their brains has become a thorn in their system and they're now feeling bad that upon all what they learnt from those greedy Daddy GOs there is no PRACTICAL BENEFITS!
So at least they're happy as JWs (the world's best Bible scholars) are giving them audience and responding to their thoughtlessness!

Peacefullove:
Mumu, How many persons were there When Peter Saw the vision OF THe ANIMALS from heaven ?

Your logic is like saying why didn't God showed him the Vision when he was with others and not when he separated himself to the housetop to pray ?

It proves nothing, Neither the animals were real just as Moses and Elijah too were not real . Tell me if neither the animals or Elijah and Moses were physically present ??

Like I do say, you lack simple comprehension!

If Horama isn't REAL then the event can happen even when millions of people are present but the ONLY TARGETED person(s) will receive it.

But for Jesus to withdraw just three persons TO A SECRET PLACE means He wants them to have FIRST HANDS REALITY that was why He transfigured BEFORE THEM (which means in their presence)

SPIRIT beings do take on HUMAN figure so that they can be seen by human...

Do you know the implication of that jargons you wrote up there , It means Since Peter thinketh the presence of the Angel is an horama, Peter already knew it was Reality!!! Making Act 12:9 a LIE !!!

Peter didn't knew it was Reality . Peter thoughts were WRONG that it was an horama , an unreal sight or vision.


And beautiful thing is Horama is not a synonym of Alethes which is ReALITY !!!

Act 12:9 isn't wrong but your deluded mind is.

Yet someone can be AN EYESWITNESS to an UNREAL SIGHT...

Again, claiming that Horama isn't REAL is height of stupidity.

Until you find out what that means.

Peacefullove:
If you want to see how clueless their Reality claims are , Ask them if Moses and Elijah were physically present ? They will dodge because a physical present demand a physical body, AND THEY WILL NEED TO EXPLAIN WHERE THE TWO GOT THIS BODY FROM WHEN JESUS IS YET TO DIE TALKLESS OF RESSURECTION OCCURING. has been running away from that since 1900 BCE

Stop spamming my mention, OK!

@underlined really shows that you can never be delivered from the spirit of lies.

Angels have a physical presence in the scripture and they don't have PHYSICAL BODY

So spare us your delusion.

TATIME:
The rich man was begging father Abraham to instruct Lazarus to deep his finger into water and cool his tongue in his torments.
These critics are happier than ever that you guys are giving them the opportunity to argue with you, otherwise the gibberish their Pastors infused in their brains has become a thorn in their system and they're now feeling bad that upon all what they learnt from those greedy Daddy GOs there is no PRACTICAL BENEFITS!
So at least they're happy as JWs (the world's best Bible scholars) are giving them audience and responding to their thoughtlessness!

Hmmmmmmmm, that's the point!

They're happy for contending with the world's best Bible scholars!

Emusan:
Stop spamming my mention, OK!

@underlined really shows that you can never be delivered from the spirit of lies.

Angels have a physical presence in the scripture and they don't have PHYSICAL BODY

So spare us your delusion.

Òpònú Olódo!

You're comparing angels (living spirit beings who can materialise as well as dematerialize at will since their minds is still at work) with Moses and Elijah (dead people whose thoughts have perished) {146:4} simply because they were seen in a vision!

Emusan:
Like I do say, you lack simple comprehension!

If Horama isn't REAL then the event can happen even when millions of people are present but the ONLY TARGETED person(s) will receive it.

This is why I asked why Did God wait till Peter separated from others to show him the vision from heaven . then since its secret its secret, The animals are real . mind you even this event is an Horama. Before you start speaking from both side of your mouth.

The bold is utter nonsense, If Horama is Real . it means Peter knew the angel was actually present and Act 12:9 is a lie.

But for Jesus to withdraw just three persons TO A SECRET PLACE means He wants them to have FIRST HANDS REALITY that was why He transfigured BEFORE THEM (which means in their presence)

And with their naked eyes they behold a physically present Moses and Elijah ?

SPIRIT beings do take on HUMAN figure so that they can be seen by human...

Moses and Elijah are not spirit beings !!!

For them to have flesh means They have been ressurected. Deal with it.

Act 12:9 isn't wrong but your deluded mind is.

Explain the difference between REAL and Horama at Act 12:9 ?

Yet someone can be AN EYESWITNESS to an UNREAL SIGHT...

Sight is the key . an eye witness is simply someone who testify what they see

Again, claiming that Horama isn't REAL is height of stupidity.

Until you find out what that means.

Explain the difference between Horama and Real at Act 12:9 ??

Maximus69:
Òpònú Olódo!

You're comparing angels (living spirit beings who can materialise as well as dematerialize at will since their minds is still at work) with Moses and Elijah (dead people whose thoughts have perished) {146:4} simply because they were seen in a vision!

That Emusan is a fool .

Emusan:
Stop spamming my mention, OK!

@underlined really shows that you can never be delivered from the spirit of lies.

Angels have a physical presence in the scripture and they don't have PHYSICAL BODY

So spare us your delusion.

Are Moses and Elijah angels ??

cc: Barristter07 . Come and help your friend.

Maximus69:
Moses and Elijah are still in their graves awaiting resurrection! Revelations 20:13

According to God's word, the dead knows nothing {146:4; Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10} so they can't praise God! Psalms 115:17

Therefore what those three Apostles saw while Jesus stood discussing with Moses and Elijah (both dead) was a vision not a reality!

U limit the power of God Nd it's really sad. Lazarus coming back to life since he was dead and awaiting resurrection was also a vision too right?

The dead knows nothing yet Lazarus was called back to life...... U r not well o.

For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

For he received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to him from the excellent glory: 'This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.' And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain (2 Peter 1:16-18).


So even Peter telling u he was an eyewitness to the transfiguration u still want to believe ur lies.

Maximus69:
Oh no, frustration has set in again!

Perhaps these beautiful ladies were raped to accept our messages!

My guy be careful, there is just a tin line between frustration and madness!

Nah white people u carry they show me. JW no dey Nigeria. Slave

Peacefullove:
Act 12:9 would have cured your delusion
The word REAL is Alethes , and its not a synonym for Horama. When u go get sense ?

Peter said he was an eyewitness to it. R u rubbishing that?

Peacefullove:
Mumu, How many persons were there When Peter Saw the vision OF THe ANIMALS from heaven ?

Your logic is like saying why didn't God showed him the Vision when he was with others and not when he separated himself to the housetop to pray ?

It proves nothing, Neither the animals were real just as Moses and Elijah too were not real . Tell me if neither the animals or Elijah and Moses were physically present ??




Do you know the implication of that jargons you wrote up there , It means Since Peter thinketh the presence of the Angel is an horama, Peter already knew it was Reality!!! Making Act 12:9 a LIE !!!

Peter didn't knew it was Reality . Peter thoughts were WRONG that it was an horama , an unreal sight or vision.


And beautiful thing is Horama is not a synonym of Alethes which is ReALITY !!!

Was Lazarus coming back from the dead real or vision?

Peacefullove:
Let this enter the head of you and Emusan , If horama was Reality , it means Peter knew the angel was Real ( Act 12:9 ) , but sorry it says he doesnt . There is a different between presence of a person via horama and presence of a person via reality.

Act 12:9 will wound you guys real bad.

Dnt lump two different instances togeda.

Was Lazarus coming back to life real?

Peacefullove:
If you want to see how clueless their Reality claims are , Ask them if Moses and Elijah were physically present ? They will dodge because a physical present demand a physical body, AND THEY WILL NEED TO EXPLAIN WHERE THE TWO GOT THIS BODY FROM WHEN JESUS IS YET TO DIE TALKLESS OF RESSURECTION OCCURING. EMUSAN has been running away from that since 1900 BCE

Where did Lazarus get his physical body. U no get sense o

Maximus69:
Wetin them sabi?

Is it not just to argue and feel happy that they're contending with JWs?

At least they're quoting Bible and arguing with JWs, that one don do them!

If truthfully they know what to preach, let them go out there and make disciples nah!

C this 1 o. Nah web u don get back up u dey get power.....u r a weakling

TATIME:
The rich man was begging father Abraham to instruct Lazarus to deep his finger into water and cool his tongue in his torments.
These critics are happier than ever that you guys are giving them the opportunity to argue with you, otherwise the gibberish their Pastors infused in their brains has become a thorn in their system and they're now feeling bad that upon all what they learnt from those greedy Daddy GOs there is no PRACTICAL BENEFITS!
So at least they're happy as JWs (the world's best Bible scholars) are giving them audience and responding to their thoughtlessness!

What's Ur point boi

freshboi88:
Was Lazarus coming back from the dead real or vision?

Your own intelligence is just zero, Coming back from dead means Jesus ressurected him and he died again since Yeshua hasn't pay the price. Show me when Moses and Elijah were Ressurected to LIFE everlasting, When Jesus is yet to pay the price ??