Bro Max, the issue of "the word Trinity is not in the Holy Bible"can not stand firm because there are words that your group is using that are not in the Bible. For example: organization, GB(governing body), etc.
You'll look for one phrase or another to be the meanings of the words.

KNOWMORE56:
Bro Max, the issue of "the word Trinity is not in the Holy Bible"can not stand firm because there are words that your group is using that are not in the Bible. For example: organization, GB(governing body), etc.
You'll look for one phrase or another to be the meanings of the words.

Organization connotes being organized

GB means the group overseeing all the activities of the organization globally.

Neither Organization or Governing Body is to be taught in the public unless the interested person wants to know how we come about the oneness in thought globally! John 17:20-23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10: Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

But the TRINITY has no positive impact on the Trinitarians!

Maximus69:


Organization connotes being organized

GB means the group overseeing all the activities of the organization globally.

Neither Organization or Governing Body is to be taught in the public unless the interested person wants to know how we come about the oneness in thought globally! John 17:20-23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10: Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

But the TRINITY has no positive impact on the Trinitarians!

Maximus69: But the TRINITY has no positive impact on the Trinitarians!

Achorladey: what is the CRITERIA used to check the POSITIVITY or NEGATIVITY of the IMPACT. Hahahahaha.

achorladey:


Maximus69: But the TRINITY has no positive impact on the Trinitarians!

Achorladey: what is the CRITERIA used to check the POSITIVITY or NEGATIVITY of the IMPACT. Hahahahaha.

Oneness in thought! John 17:20-23

Maximus69:


If you carefully check the cover of our own version you will notice that the word Bible wasn't written on it, but in the preface that word appeared to help the reader know that this is another version of what is commonly referred to as "Bible".

For your information we don't even refer to the two sections as New Testament and Old Testament!

Loooooooool.

word BIBLE WASN'T written on it, but in the preface that word appeared to help the reader know that this is ANOTHER VERSION of what is commonly referred to as "BIBLE"......... going ROUND and ROUND.

the QUESTION was why does Watchtower uses the word "BIBLE"?

The publications of Watchtower carries topic like this.......

WHO is the AUTHOR of the " BIBLE" ;

Why are you using the word "BIBLE"it SINCE it's FABRICATED. Loooooooool

Maximus69:


Oneness in thought! John 17:20-23

Loooooooool. but you will come back and tell us all churchgoers gather together as ONE to come against JWs. So how come do they gather together since I know you will say it's ONLY JWs that have ONENESS in thought.

As for the other issue of Jesus was seen standing at the right hand of God.

Many times I have noticed that people are not interested in knowing more about the different offices of this Jesus.

JESUS HAS THE HIGHEST OFFICE AND THE LOWEST OFFICE

1. In His highest office He is God:

*. John 1:1KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.", and many more.


2. In His lower office He is an Angel:

*. Joshua 5:13
KJV:And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood A MAN over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14
KJV:And he said, Nay; but as CAPTAIN of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?
15
KJV:And the CAPTAIN of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

NOTE: most of the Bible scholars have agreed that this is Jesus acting like an angel.

Other places that Jesus acted like an angel: Stephen vision Acts 7:55-56; Paul's conversion Acts 9:3-6; Paul's vision Acts 23:11, and many more.

3. Jesus is a man or human being:

*. Acts 2:22
KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

*. Acts 17:31
KJV:Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by THAT MAN whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

4. Jesus is a bigger and a lesser Animal:

*. John 1:29 "KJV:The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold THE LAMB OF GOD, which taketh away the sin of the world.

NOTE! Jesus is: God, Angel, Man, Lion, Lamb, Light, Water, Fire, Tree, Food, etc

* The Bible says that "Jesus is the Chief/First/Number One/The Leading/the Preeminence in each set of God's creations/creatures"

*. Colossians 1:18 "
KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in ALL things HE (Jesus) might have the PREEMINENCE.

*. Ephesians 4:10
KJV: HE that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill ALL things.)

THINK ABOUT IT!

Maximus69:


Organization connotes being organized

GB means the group overseeing all the activities of the organization globally.

Neither Organization or Governing Body is to be taught in the public unless the interested person wants to know how we come about the oneness in thought globally! John 17:20-23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10: Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

But the TRINITY has no positive impact on the Trinitarians!

Maximus69: Organization connotes being organized

Achorladey: For your mind abi? does the below has the same MEANING as the one ABOVE. So easy to say CONNOTES organized whereas whenever you say JWs ORGANIZATION you are referring to it's LEGAL name and PERSON at law WTBTS. Hahahahaha.

From the publication of the organization

TODAY the choice is between the two BIGGEST ORGANIZATIONS in EXISTENCE. Historically, this is nothing new, but today the need for making the right choice is more urgent than ever before. Two thousand years ago a historical person, whose decision on the question would carry the greatest consequences for all the universe, was faced with the need to make such a choice.

Maximus69: GB means the group overseeing all the activities of the organization globally.

Achorladey: Easy to explain yourself away, let me rephrase your post above

GB means the group overseeing all the activities of the organization why not USE of the ORGANIZED globally. Hahahahahaha.

You hear GOVERNING BODY shouldn't that tell you they occupy OFFICES from there they a carryout their GOVERNANCE over you.

Maximus69: Neither Organization or Governing Body is to be taught in the public unless the interested person

Achorladey: is the Good news and who are doing God's will today brochures for PUBLIC or PRIVATE.

KNOWMORE56:


[b]The giver is not the bigger in this case. Father gave the Son, and the Son received it. That He received it doesn't make Him lesser, [/b]because the Father also had received something before and He's still receiving. For example:

*. psalm106:1 "KJV:Praise ye the Lord. O GIVE THANKS UNTO THE LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever."

*. Isaiah 42:12
KJV:Let them GIVE GLORY unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.
Others: Psalms 30:12; 35:18; 57:7
NOTE! We can see human being giving and God receiving PRAISE, THANKS, GLORY, etc. Human beings are not greater than God because of giving and receiving. thanks.

2. These things you said Jesus received are the glory of God that He said He won't give to another.
*. Isaiah 42:8
KJV:I am the Lord: that is my name: and MY GLORY will I NOT GIVE to another, neither my praise to graven images.
NOTE! Jesus is not another but God increased Himself into 3 Personalities and still remains who He is.
1×1×1=1 Almighty. That is, one multiply(increased) by one and multiply ( increased) by another one = Almighty One.

Oturugbeke !!!!

What you typed up there,is that what Jesus Christ is telling you in Revelations 3:5,12 and John 20:17?


Bros, Are you equal to your God ?
Bros, John 14:28 and John 20:17 still dey your Bible ?

John 20:17 , Jesus says "my Father, my God", in Revelations 3:5,12, Jesus says "my Father, my God", do both expressions in Revelations and John mean the same thing?

achorladey:


Maximus69: Organization connotes being organized

Achorladey: For your mind abi? does the below has the same MEANING as the one ABOVE. So easy to say CONNOTES organized whereas whenever you say JWs ORGANIZATION you are referring to it's LEGAL name and PERSON at law WTBTS. Hahahahaha.

From the publication of the organization

TODAY the choice is between the two BIGGEST ORGANIZATIONS in EXISTENCE. Historically, this is nothing new, but today the need for making the right choice is more urgent than ever before. Two thousand years ago a historical person, whose decision on the question would carry the greatest consequences for all the universe, was faced with the need to make such a choice.

Maximus69: GB means the group overseeing all the activities of the organization globally.

Achorladey: Easy to explain yourself away, let me rephrase your post above

GB means the group overseeing all the activities of the organization why not USE of the ORGANIZED globally. Hahahahahaha.

You hear GOVERNING BODY shouldn't that tell you they occupy OFFICES from there they a carryout their GOVERNANCE over you.

Maximus69: Neither Organization or Governing Body is to be taught in the public unless the interested person

Achorladey: is the Good news and who are doing God's will today brochures for PUBLIC or PRIVATE.

You may cry louder, i'm not wasting my data on you no more.

I'm through with you!

[quote author=Janosky post=89522381]
Oturugbeke !!!!

What you typed up there,is that what Jesus Christ is telling you in Revelations 3:5,12 and John 20:17?


Bros, Are you equal to your God ?
Bros, John 14:28 and John 20:17 still dey your Bible ?

John 20:17 , Jesus says "my Father, my God", in Revelations 3:5,12, Jesus says "my Father, my God", do both expressions in Revelations and John mean the same thing?

Does "oturukpeke" means " I have understood"?

Because you said Jesus received power and authority from the Father. And I said yes, but THE GIVER ISN'T ALWAYS THE BIGGER.

That He received it doesn't make Him lesser, because the Father also had received something before and He's still receiving.

Human beings do give Him thanks, praise, glory, etc and He does receive them.

The human beings who are the givers of these things are not greater than the Receiver( God). Oturukpeke means you understand this.

Point 2. The power and authority you said Jesus received is part of the glory of God that He categorically said He won't give to another:- Isaiah 42:.

Can God lie? No!
JESUS IS GOD, JESUS IS NOT ANOTHER!
Oturukpeke means you understand this.

I want to attend to the next point you raised, which is " the Son called the Father my God"

Why not just forget about this Jesus thingy and focused more on the creator and his laws... This Jesus is nothing but a distraction... Just as what the creators of the character intended... Just take him out of the equation... There was never any need for him...

God the Son is the One who has been doing all the talking. He called Him Father, God or my God, that's ok.
We noticed that the few times the Father talked about Him, He(the Father) also called Him (the Son) God.
*. Hebrews 2:8 "KJV:But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. What I'm trying to say is that if it is the Father who has been doing all the talking, He could have called Him my God and heaven will not fall. Although my opinion.

point 2: from my own understanding, if XYZ are the CEO of a company and y called x my CEO, it doesn't make y an ordinary supplier in any case. I will only say of y that he is humble. But the Trinity is beyond this explanation.
Do you understand, Janosky?

Another thing I want to say is that ,the Father called Him Son and the Son called Him Father. This in my own understanding, the head called the hand "my hand"; and the hand in turn called the head "my head" (head, hand and other parts which make up the one body). Is like somebody wants the hand to be called the head before he will agree that they are the same one body.

Thanks all of you (AntiChristian, TruthHurts100, Solite3, Shadeyinka, xproducer, Maximus69, Eulali, Janosky, achorlady, Sonmvyina and more) who have been contributing to the topic, some are against, some are in support, some are neutral, with different levels of understanding. May the Almighty grant you your goals that are in accordance with His ways, will and words.
Jesus is coming soon. Amen!

KNOWMORE56:
Thanks all of you (AntiChristian, TruthHurts100, Solite3, Shadeyinka, xproducer, Maximus69, Eulali, Janosky, achorlady, Sonmvyina and more) who have been contributing to the topic, some are against, some are in support, some are neutral, with different levels of understanding. May the Almighty grant you your goals that are in accordance with His ways, will and words.
Jesus is coming soon. Amen!

Amen

KNOWMORE56:
Thanks all of you (AntiChristian, TruthHurts100, Solite3, Shadeyinka, xproducer, Maximus69, Eulali, Janosky, achorlady, Sonmvyina and more) who have been contributing to the topic, some are against, some are in support, some are neutral, with different levels of understanding. May the Almighty grant you your goals that are in accordance with His ways, will and words.
Jesus is coming soon. Amen!

Amen!

The teaching about the Trinity or it acceptance doesn't make a person to be saved. It makes those who are saved to know more about the God they are Serving and have Him in awe.
So, I give God the glory for those who have believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried and resurrected, according to the Scriptures
*. Romans 10:9-10 " if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10
KJV:For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11
KJV:For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

May God uphold your faith who have believe that Jesus is the Son of God
*. Acts 8:37 "KJV:And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I BELIEVE THAT Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

KNOWMORE56:
Thanks all of you (AntiChristian, TruthHurts100, Solite3, Shadeyinka, xproducer, Maximus69, Eulali, Janosky, achorlady, Sonmvyina and more) who have been contributing to the topic, some are against, some are in support, some are neutral, with different levels of understanding. May the Almighty grant you your goals that are in accordance with His ways, will and words.
Jesus is coming soon. Amen!

Amen?
Maranatha!

All the things that have been revealed to me about this great God I will post.

8. Father/Son is the first and the last:

*Isaiah 44:6 "KJV:Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I AM THE FIRST, and I AM THE LAST; and beside me there is no God" (i.e the Father)

*. Isaiah 41:4 "KJV:Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, THE FIRST, and with THE LAST; I am he.(i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 1:17 "KJV:And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST and THE LAST: (i.e the Son)

*. Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith THE FIRST and THE LAST, which was dead, and is alive; (i.e the Son)

*. Isaiah 48:12 "KJV:Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I AM he; I AM THE FIRST, I also AM the LAST.(i.e the Father)

One thing I am familiar with concerning TRINITY here on nairaland is its UNENDING discussion there is a BLUE corner and the RED corner and you hardly see each corner throw IN the TOWEL. Those that left the matter will ONLY leave to FIGHT another day. It is ONE unending SOAP opera.

Its possible the SPIRIT that led to the development of the CONCEPTS back then is still at WORK up till TODAY. As long as ONE remembers that it was equally CONTESTED back then so it is TODAY.

I leave you with Matthew12:50 it says.....

50 For whoever does the will of my FATHER in heaven is my BROTHER and SISTER and MOTHER.”

I don't know if you have ever asked WHY didn't JESUS include the "my FATHER"?

He said he will call us HIS brother, HIS sister including HIS MOTHER but NOT Father. Have you asked WHY? Its just a THOUGHT anyway.

Finally Matthew 11:27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one KNOWS the SON except the FATHER. Nor does anyone KNOW the FATHER except the SON, and the one to whom the SON wills to REVEAL HIM.

Have you seen someone EVER say HE COMPLETELY knows Jesus Christ or do YOU think CHRIST REVEALED himself completely to us. John said SCROLLS cannot CONTAIN the things Christ Did within the countable numbers of years Jesus spent here on EARTH.

In conclusion TRINITY can be SEEN as THEOLOGICAL thought or KNOWLEDGE.

1 Corinthians 8:1-3 Now concerning food offered to idols: we know that “all of us POSSESS KNOWLEDGE.” This “KNOWLEDGE” PUFFS up, but LOVE BUILDS up. 2 If ANYONE imagines that he KNOWS something, he does not yet KNOW as he OUGHT to KNOW. 3 But if ANYONE LOVES God, he is KNOWN by GOD.

The question then is how do we LOVE. When one follows Christ footsteps he/she will surely understand what it means to LOVE God in order to be KNOWN by GOD.

KNOWMORE56:
All the things that have been revealed to me about this great God I will post.

8. Father/Son is the first and the last:

*Isaiah 44:6 "KJV:Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I AM THE FIRST, and I AM THE LAST; and beside me there is no God" (i.e the Father)

*. Isaiah 41:4 "KJV:Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, THE FIRST, and with THE LAST; I am he.(i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 1:17 "KJV:And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST and THE LAST: (i.e the Son)

*. Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith THE FIRST and THE LAST, which was dead, and is alive; (i.e the Son)

*. Isaiah 48:12 "KJV:Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I AM he; I AM THE FIRST, I also AM the LAST.(i.e the Father)

Revelations 2:27, Jesus Christ says "I have AUTHORITY FROM MY FATHER".
(Compare Matthew 28:18 ), Jesus Christ says his Father and God gave him the authority in heaven and earth to bear titles we usually ascribe to his Father.
There is ZERO equality between Jesus and his God.
No be rocket science.....
Trinitarians always make fictitious claims to suit their FALSE doctrine.

KNOWMORE56:
God the Son is the One who has been doing all the talking. He called Him Father, God or my God, that's ok.
We noticed that the few times the Father talked about Him, He(the Father) also called Him (the Son) God.
*. Hebrews 2:8 "KJV:But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. What I'm trying to say is that if it is the Father who has been doing all the talking, He could have called Him my God and heaven will not fall. Although my opinion.

point 2: from my own understanding, if XYZ are the CEO of a company and y called x my CEO, it doesn't make y an ordinary supplier in any case. I will only say of y that he is humble. But the Trinity is beyond this explanation.
Do you understand, Janosky?

Another thing I want to say is that ,the Father called Him Son and the Son called Him Father. This in my own understanding, the head called the hand "my hand"; and the hand in turn called the head "my head" (head, hand and other parts which make up the one body). Is like somebody wants the hand to be called the head before he will agree that they are the same one body.

1
You meant to write Hebrews 1:8, this portion of the Bible is a direct quotation of Psalms 45:6 (or Psalms 45:7 in the Masoretic Text or other Hebrew language texts of the Old testament).

The Old Testament is largely in Hebrew language.
Any rendition of Psalms 45:6 which deviates from the Hebrew original source , is nothing but FRAUD. Yes !
For example, If you author a 20 page Hebrew book , which another person translated into English, when the Translator writes something on Page 18 which is totally different from what Original author wrote, would you say the Translator's work on Page 18 Accurate?

2)
The Catholic Church has been in the forefront supporting the Trinity , please examine the Catholic Jerusalem Bible rendition of Psalms 45:6 , its the same exact rendition of the Hebrew original source of the Masoretic Text.

Then go to Hebrew 1:8, a direct quote of Psalm 45:6 ,then ask yourself:
Why would Hebrew 1:8 deviate totally from the original source quote of Psalms 45:6 ?

Confirmed FRAUD !!

Bros, Hebrew 1:8 is a FRAUD.
In that verse, Yahweh NEVER said to his Son, "Your throne oh God".

1Chronicle29:23, and 28:5, says the throne of David is the throne of God.
(Compare 2 Sam7:12-13,16. Luke 1:31-33).
Revelations 3:21 Jesus Christ confirmed himself sits on his Father's throne.
Revelations 3:21 is the same message in Psalms 45:6 which Hebrews 1:8 should really be, NOT the Your throne oh God FRAUD of Hebrew 1:8.



Shalom.

KNOWMORE56:
All the things that have been revealed to me about this great God I will post.

8. Father/Son is the first and the last:

*Isaiah 44:6 "KJV:Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I AM THE FIRST, and I AM THE LAST; and beside me there is no God" (i.e the Father)

*. Isaiah 41:4 "KJV:Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, THE FIRST, and with THE LAST; I am he.(i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 1:17 "KJV:And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST and THE LAST: (i.e the Son)

*. Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith THE FIRST and THE LAST, which was dead, and is alive; (i.e the Son)

*. Isaiah 48:12 "KJV:Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I AM he; I AM THE FIRST, I also AM the LAST.(i.e the Father)

this is great

KNOWMORE56:
Thanks all of you (AntiChristian, TruthHurts100, Solite3, Shadeyinka, xproducer, Maximus69, Eulali, Janosky, achorlady, Sonmvyina and more) who have been contributing to the topic, some are against, some are in support, some are neutral, with different levels of understanding. May the Almighty grant you your goals that are in accordance with His ways, will and words.
Jesus is coming soon. Amen!

Jesus has been here sir. Just that you believe you will SEE him with your naked eyes. You're on the long thing bro.

KNOWMORE56:


. KNOWMORE56: Quote Post
As for the other issue of Jesus was seen standing at the right hand of God. Many times I have noticed that people are not interested in knowing more about the different offices of this Jesus.
JESUS HAS THE HIGHEST OFFICE AND THE LOWEST OFFICE

1. In His highest office He is God


The teaching about the Trinity or it acceptance doesn't make a person to be saved. It makes those who are saved to know more about the God they are Serving and have Him in awe.
So, I give God the glory for those who have believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried and resurrected, according to the Scriptures
*. Romans 10:9-10 " if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10
KJV:For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11
KJV:For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

May God uphold your faith who have believe that Jesus is the Son of God
*. Acts 8:37 "KJV:And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I BELIEVE THAT Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

John 17:3 and John 20:17, Jesus Christ says your claim is of your own device.

John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they may know you,the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ , whom you have sent"
How do you explain John 20:17 and Rev3:5 ,12 and you go dey DECEIVE yourself "in his Highest Office he is God"

* Colossians 1:19.*
"For it was by God's own decision that the Son has in himself the full nature of God"
Therefore, the Word is a god,filled with divine nature/ quality.
Every Son must have the nature /quality of his Father , even if John 1:1 call am "the Word".
No be rocket science


Where in your Bible did Yahweh call Jesus his own Father ?

KNOWMORE56, Haba !!

Chapter1vs6:
this is great

Know NOTHING.
Revelations 2:27,In heaven, your "God" says he RECEIVED AUTHORITY of the First and the Last (in Rev2: from his God and Father in heaven.

Your "God" is the son of his own God and Father in heaven and earth. John 20:17. Rev3:5,12.

Throway your FALSE doctrine for dustbin.

KNOWMORE56:


1)
Does "oturukpeke" means " I have understood"?
Because you said Jesus received power and authority from the Father. And I said yes, but THE GIVER ISN'T ALWAYS THE BIGGER. That He received it doesn't make Him lesser, because the Father also had received something before and He's still receiving.
Human beings do give Him thanks, praise, glory, etc and He does receive them. The human beings who are the givers of these things are not greater than the Receiver( God). Oturukpeke means you understand this.

Point 2. The power and authority you said Jesus received is part of the glory of God that He categorically said He won't give to another:- Isaiah 42:cool. Can God lie? No!
JESUS IS GOD, JESUS IS NOT ANOTHER!

Point 1..
"Oturugbeke!" IS AN EXCLAMATION OF SURPRISE that KNOWMORE56 claims are not true.

Please STOP deceiving yourself.
John 14:28 is SACROSANCT in the physical and spiritual realm...

Matt 11:25. Rev4:11. Rev 10:6.Ephes. 3:14-15.
Does Jesus owes his name and existence to his God and Father,Yahweh ?
Yes !
Is Almighty Yahweh,The God and Father WORTHY of the Praise, Glory from His Creatures ?
Yes. It is His Right.

Whereas,Yahweh gave Jesus a privilege, HE anointed Jesus above his peers(Heb1:9).
John 17:24, Jesus understood it's a privilege. (Because his God and Father loves Jesus)..
John 3:16-17 God loves us too.
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Point 2:
Sorry for you,KNOWMORE.
Revelations 3:5,12 and John 20:17,Did Jesus Christ acknowledge his own God and Father in the physical and spiritual realm?
Yes !

John 17:2-3, The glory wey Jesus dey beg from his God and Father Na you dey wetin Jesus no claim !

Why would Your "God" be begging himself for the glory he already possess?

Here comes the Crushing Blow to KNOWMORE56 claim:
JESUS IS GOD, JESUS IS NOT ANOTHER!

***
1 Corinthians 15:26-28
". 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.”
Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. [/b]28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."



[b]1 Corinthians 15:26-28 Na Technical knockout

achorladey:
One thing I am familiar with concerning TRINITY here on nairaland is its UNENDING discussion there is a BLUE corner and the RED corner and you hardly see each corner throw IN the TOWEL. Those that left the matter will ONLY leave to FIGHT another day. It is ONE unending SOAP opera.

Its possible the SPIRIT that led to the development of the CONCEPTS back then is still at WORK up till TODAY. As long as ONE remembers that it was equally CONTESTED back then so it is TODAY.

I leave you with Matthew12:50 it says.....

50 For whoever does the will of my FATHER in heaven is my BROTHER and SISTER and MOTHER.”

I don't know if you have ever asked WHY didn't JESUS include the "my FATHER"?

He said he will call us HIS brother, HIS sister including HIS MOTHER but NOT Father. Have you asked WHY? Its just a THOUGHT anyway.

Finally Matthew 11:27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one KNOWS the SON except the FATHER. Nor does anyone KNOW the FATHER except the SON, and the one to whom the SON wills to REVEAL HIM.

Have you seen someone EVER say HE COMPLETELY knows Jesus Christ or do YOU think CHRIST REVEALED himself completely to us. John said SCROLLS cannot CONTAIN the things Christ Did within the countable numbers of years Jesus spent here on EARTH.

In conclusion TRINITY can be SEEN as THEOLOGICAL thought or KNOWLEDGE.

1 Corinthians 8:1-3 Now concerning food offered to idols: we know that “all of us POSSESS KNOWLEDGE.” This “KNOWLEDGE” PUFFS up, but LOVE BUILDS up. 2 If ANYONE imagines that he KNOWS something, he does not yet KNOW as he OUGHT to KNOW. 3 But if ANYONE LOVES God, he is KNOWN by GOD.

The question then is how do we LOVE. When one follows Christ footsteps he/she will surely understand what it means to LOVE God in order to be KNOWN by GOD.

Matthew 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31. Rev 3:12.
That is what Jesus Christ revealed.

If you were following Christ's footsteps you would know that Jesus worshipped the Only True God,who sent him John 17:3.

STOP deceiving yourself.

Janosky:


Matthew 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31. Rev 3:12.
That is what Jesus Christ revealed.

If you were following Christ's footsteps you would know that Jesus worshipped the Only True God,who sent him John 17:3.

STOP deceiving yourself.

Janosky: Matthew 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31. Rev 3:12. That is what Jesus Christ revealed.

Achorladey: And have I said it didn't REVEALED that? You want to CONSOLE yourself with BOOK KNOWLEDGE

Matthew 11:27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one KNOWS the SON except the FATHER. Nor does anyone KNOW the FATHER except the SON, and the one to whom the SON wills to REVEAL HIM.

Have you seen someone EVER say HE COMPLETELY knows Jesus Christ or do YOU think CHRIST REVEALED himself completely to us. John said SCROLLS cannot CONTAIN the things Christ Did within the countable numbers of years Jesus spent here on EARTH.

Janosky: If you were following Christ's footsteps you would know that Jesus worshipped the Only True God,who sent him John 17:3.

Achorladey: Has your unending DISCUSSION on TRINITY all this while on Nairaland SHOW that THOSE who BELIEVE in TRINITY do not WORSHIP God. At least I know they SUBJECT themselves under JESUS CHRIST.......I hope you catch the SENSE behind that.

Has their BELIEVE in TRINITY severe them from HAVING relationship with the FATHER and SON.

Janosky:STOP deceiving yourself

Achorladey: How do you Know I am deceiving myself? Your BOOK knowledge

You better go and READ Matthew 11:27 again and see who if you are DECEIVING yourself.

Those you call CHRISTENDOM have this.....

FATHER_______SON________HOLYSPIRIT

JWs________FATHER..........JESUS........ JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION

Mode of operation na him different.

Afterall like your beliefs SAYS you can't WORSHIP JEHOVAH without being ASSOCIATED with his ORGANIZATION......... that's your own TRINITY looking INTENTLY at you in the FACE.

KNOWMORE56:
Thanks all of you (AntiChristian, TruthHurts100, Solite3, Shadeyinka, xproducer, Maximus69, Eulali, Janosky, achorlady, Sonmvyina and more) who have been contributing to the topic, some are against, some are in support, some are neutral, with different levels of understanding. May the Almighty grant you your goals that are in accordance with His ways, will and words.
Jesus is coming soon. Amen!

We await him since 2020 years ago. Na so you'll die and your grandchildren will continue the mantra!

He is coming back I believe sha! But to do an entirely different thing...

Why tag me ?

achorladey:



Janosky: Matthew 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31. Rev 3:12. That is what Jesus Christ revealed.

Achorladey: And have I said it didn't REVEALED that? You want to CONSOLE yourself with BOOK KNOWLEDGE

Matthew 11:27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one KNOWS the SON except the FATHER. Nor does anyone KNOW the FATHER except the SON, and the one to whom the SON wills to REVEAL HIM.

Have you seen someone EVER say HE COMPLETELY knows Jesus Christ or do YOU think CHRIST REVEALED himself completely to us. John said SCROLLS cannot CONTAIN the things Christ Did within the countable numbers of years Jesus spent here on EARTH.

Janosky: If you were following Christ's footsteps you would know that Jesus worshipped the Only True God,who sent him John 17:3.

Achorladey: Has your unending DISCUSSION on TRINITY all this while on Nairaland SHOW that THOSE who BELIEVE in TRINITY do not WORSHIP God. At least I know they SUBJECT themselves under JESUS CHRIST.......I hope you catch the SENSE behind that.

Has their BELIEVE in TRINITY severe them from HAVING relationship with the FATHER and SON.

Janosky:STOP deceiving yourself

Achorladey: How do you Know I am deceiving myself? Your BOOK knowledge

You better go and READ Matthew 11:27 again and see who if you are DECEIVING yourself.

Those you call CHRISTENDOM have this.....

FATHER_______SON________HOLYSPIRIT

JWs________FATHER..........JESUS........ JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION

Mode of operation na him different.

Afterall like your beliefs SAYS you can't WORSHIP JEHOVAH without being ASSOCIATED with his ORGANIZATION......... that's your own TRINITY looking INTENTLY at you in the FACE.

If Matthew 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31. Rev 3:12 is book knowledge to you, so be it..

Any belief in conflict with the Scriptures above is just pointless.

Achorladey DON'T FORGET THAT.

Janosky:


If Matthew 16:13-17. John 20:17,30-31. Rev 3:12 is book knowledge to you, so be it..

Any belief in conflict with the Scriptures above is just pointless.

Achorladey DON'T FORGET THAT.

Matthew 11:27 the part you bolded in my post and read it and read it until you are tired of reading PERHAPS you WILL see more CLEARLY that the JURISDICTION to tell what I should REMEMBER and WHAT I should FORGET is not WITHIN your POWER. No dey do pass yourself.

See as you avoided the OTHER part of the POST, it confirms that you are AFTER book KNOWLEDGE and QUICK to call the POST POINTLESS(trophy and glory seeking)

at least your own mode of OPERATION is JEHOVAH______________JESUS_______________JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION (as CONTROLLED by the Governing Body and you REMEMBER they are not INSPIRED by JEHOVAH)

REALITY says if YOU don't agree or PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE FIRST to "JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION"(WTBTS) which is NO LONGER SPIRIT DIRECTED as CONTROLLED by GB who are NOT INSPIRED by JEHOVAH)you cannot be BAPTIZED(in the name of the father, son and holy spirit and cannot be SEEN to serve JEHOVAH. In essence you cannot develop RELATIONSHIP with JEHOVAH without BONDING well first with the GB. It is the GB(that is not SPIRIT DIRECTED or INSPIRED) that will GIVE you the NEEDED pass to now have RELATIONSHIP with JEHOVAH.

I hope you UNDERSTAND the ABOVE well.

I repeat this question ONCE more as captured in the PREVIOUS post........Has their BELIEVE in TRINITY severe them from HAVING RELATIONSHIP with the FATHER and SON?