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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 9:26am On May 16, 2020 |
freshboi88: Through ressurection , Lazarus of Bethany got his physical body. SHOW ME WHERE Moses and Elijah WERE RESSURECTED ? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:30am On May 16, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Until you find out and understand the meaning of Horama I posted earlier, if not you'll continue in your delusions. And with their naked eyes they behold a physically present Moses and Elijah ? MOSES and Elijah spirit are in heaven Who told you that they have FLESH? that's the question you still failed to answer! Explain the difference between REAL and Horama at Act 12:9 ? According to strong Greek: Alethes: True (as not concealing): - true, truly, truth Horama: SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision! Let me keep watching your ignorance! |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 9:34am On May 16, 2020 |
Emusan: How useless Jesus death is , So man dont even need Jesus to enter heaven . Wow , not even original sin can stop man from entering heaven. To cure your delusion Ecc 12:7 ALL SPIRIT return to Heaven , Does that mean wicked people also go to heaven if this spirit is persons ? Let me keep the second point .
Peter saw a sight of animals coming down from heaven, But the animals are not true/Real animals Act 12;9 proved that Horama is a sight not an Actual Real presence. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 9:36am On May 16, 2020 |
Jesus staring at Emusan last post where he rubbished his death like
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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 9:37am On May 16, 2020 |
freshboi88: I showed you pictures of my sisters in different parts of the world, to prove that what you're hearing now from these guys here on Nairaland is working out what is benefitial globally. But if it's Nigerian JWs you want to see here are my beautiful Nigerian sisters in the FAITH!
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Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 9:49am On May 16, 2020 |
Peacefullove: So will Lazarus be ressurected again?.....how many resurrections will Lazarus have? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 9:52am On May 16, 2020 |
freshboi88: Lazarus will be ressurected again to die no more . Jesus has now paid the price for him Note the difference So I asked Show me where Moses and Elijah were ressurected to everlasting life, to have been physically present ?? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 9:54am On May 16, 2020 |
freshboi88: Tatime is now an appointed servant in the Christian congregation so you won't find him discussing with you. That's the order! What he meant is you guys are the rich man depicted in Jesus' illustration begging for attention (from JWs) because you're tormented day and night with the gibberish your Pastors taught you that's of no benefit to you or your fellow Church members! Luke 16:24 ![]() |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:58am On May 16, 2020 |
Peacefullove: This your tactics of hide and seek won't work! That's how you'll be coming up with different meaningless point just to deviate from the main point. You claimed MOSES and Elijah aren't spirit for them to appear in human figure, I then told you they are spirit in heaven. instead of addressing that you shift post to another thing. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for you to show us from that verse where it says THEY HAVE FLESH! Peter saw a sight of animals coming down from heaven, But the animals are not true/Real animals You asked for meaning and I gave it to you only for you to revert back to your original statement. Your mumu grade knows no bounds. According to strong Greek: Alethes: True (as not concealing): - true, truly, truth Horama: SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision! Let me add to your confusion: Horama is from "Horao" which according to Strong Greek means; properly, STARE AT, i.e (by implication) to discern CLEARLY (physically or mentally); by extension, to attend to; I by Hebraism, to experience, to appear: - behold, perceive, SEE, take heed Let me keep watching your ignorance! |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 10:05am On May 16, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Hahahaha atleast 0 is bigger than -100. E pain am die!!!!!!!!! U think I'll be arguing mumu arguement with u. If Lazarus can be brought back from the dead, is it above God to summon Moses and Elijah from the dead? |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:29am On May 16, 2020 |
Peacefullove: They're TRINITARIANS nah! ![]() They can't figure out Jehovah's will so their belief is anywhere belle face! ![]() So don't expect them to have a specific line of thought on anything! ![]() |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 10:36am On May 16, 2020 |
freshboi88: The ressurection hasn't occurred . unless you mean they are raised to DIE AGAIN like lazarus ? . Since Jesus has not paid the penalty to live forever at that time . So Are they raised to Die again ? And you will show me where it says Moses Died twice. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 10:45am On May 16, 2020 |
Emusan: ![]() ![]() ![]() They are dead men . not spirit beings The spirit of dead men is their Breath.
Can human eyes behold a Spirit person . So for apostles to saw them FOR REAL, they are actuallly physical. Which begs the Question: How can they be physical when the ressurection hasn't occurred Your propose the below: " SPIRIT beings do take on HUMAN figure so that they can be seen by human... " - Emusan You finally admit they are Human, The question again: How did they get back their human body when Jesus is yet to ressurect the dead ??
Horama is not alethes . Agree ? Horama was the case of Peter too. Peter saw , stare , sight animals dropped from heaven , He SAW, BUT ARE THEY REAL ANIMALS ? Act 12:9 That which is real and truth is alethes , Not horama an ordinary sight. Horama is not alethes , agree ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:50am On May 16, 2020 |
Peacefullove: I told you their brain is anywhere belle face! If Moses and Elijah have gone to heaven (in SPIRIT) then why would Jesus said no man has ascended to heaven before except himself that came from heaven? And if Jesus meant in spirit, then we could ask did Jesus entered Mary's womb (to be born) in flesh or in spirit? If Jesus said "no man" evidently he's talking about either spirit or flesh because his last statement proved he was transformed into an embryo in his mother's womb (meaning the pregnancy happened spiritually). So when or how did Moses and Elijah got to heaven when Jesus who came from heaven said no human has been there? Ecclesiastes 3:19-21 ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by freshboi88: 11:56am On May 16, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Are u saying Jehovah I restricted to rules ![]() Mind u the bible didn't say what form they appeared in. In whatever form they appeared, Peter was an eyewitness |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 12:48pm On May 16, 2020 |
freshboi88: Jehovah highly respects his own words, so he will never go against it! That's why he is the God who choose to be our own God, JEHOVAH is LOYAL! His word says the one and only way for resurrection is Jesus' ransom sacrifice, if this sacrifice has not been offered there is nothing like a permanent resurrection. All those whom Jesus resurrected later died again because the price has not been paid, even after the price has been paid it must follow due process, Jesus (the lamb) has to present it before his father in heaven first! That's why the holy spirit never came immediately after Jesus' ascension to heaven, it was after he has presented the sacrifice that Jehovah God released his holy spirit to come and take control of those whom Jesus had trained for the mission. So when arguing think about the name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, we may be restricted in knowing his next move but we can tell you what Jehovah can't and will never do! Genesis 18:25 ![]() |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 2:30pm On May 16, 2020 |
TATIME: World Best Schorlars really TATIME? SMH when you don't know how the INSIGHT BOOK was produced. It's EXPECTED. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 2:40pm On May 16, 2020 |
freshboi88: His point is to RAISE the only known SCHORLARS the JWs ORGANIZATION ever had.....Fred Franz as the BEST Scholars in the WORLD up and above the numerous SCHOLARS scattered all over the world in which THEIR commentaries they used in producing the INSIGHT publication they had. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 2:47pm On May 16, 2020 |
Maximus69: JESUS spoke to SATAN after entry in his COMMISSION. Where do such ORDER given to TATIME come from? Afterall freshboi is not an APOSTATE and he is not SATAN. He should be free to COMMUNICATE with whom he pleases. When you get your OWN appointment too please do inform us or ask someone else to do so on your behalf in order for us to see IF you will OBEY the ORDER or NOT. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 5:04pm On May 16, 2020 |
achorladey: Baptized last year, but after appointment as a minister in the congregation, you'll not see me discussing with critics again! John 14:19 ![]() |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 5:44pm On May 16, 2020 |
Maximus69: Thank you! I don hear Only this your APPOINTMENT as a MINISTER is making me laugh perhaps you have forgotten the what the SPEAKER said after you answered YES to the TWO QUESTIONS asked when you did your BAPTISM. Let me bring it to your NOTICE one more time....YOUR CLEAR, AFFIRMATIVE answers to these questions indicate that you are QUALIFIED for BAPTISM as ORDAINED MINISTERS of JEHOVAH GOD. Meaning of ORDAINED according to Websters dictionary.......... to ESTABLISH or ORDER by APPOINTMENT. So you see why I am laughing. cc: TATIME |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 6:01pm On May 16, 2020 |
achorladey: Hmmmmmmmm you don't get it Sir! The ordination we get at baptism means we are now fully competent and completely equipped to handle Bible study of interested persons outside the organization. But appointment as a minister in the congregation is totally different from that. Note that the same question goes for both male and female baptismal candidates but females do not officiate in our midst! So the appointment of officiating ministers differs from what happened at baptism! ![]() |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 6:22pm On May 16, 2020 |
Maximus69: Explanation explanation, explanation the simple question is ARE YOU A MINISTER NOW? Answer: Yes Are you serving as a MINISTER in the congregation now YES? Are you an OFFICIATING MINISTER? Yes Except you tell us that YOU don't ACT or called UPON to act in OFFICIAL capacity. Whoever wants to become GREAT among YOU must be YOUR MINISTER. You are still WAITING for OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION as it were for your PERSONAL invisible/visible OFFICE. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 8:32pm On May 16, 2020 |
achorladey: You see why i always avoid you! ![]() You asked a question,i honoured you by responding, you asked about baptism, i told you this is different because all of us answer the same question during baptism but females don't officiate in our midst. And by the end of the day, you just want to argue after the whole response! ![]() |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 8:38pm On May 16, 2020 |
Maximus69: Maximus69: females don't officiate in our midst. Achorladey: And in cases where SPECIFIED/delegated MALES are ABSENT who OFFICIATES? Your guess is as good as mine. You see it as ARGUING your PALAVER. This is a discussion platform the reason it's OWNER called it a FORUM. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 8:50pm On May 16, 2020 |
achorladey: You can continue with your argument! ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:55am On May 17, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Olodo.... Taking HUMAN FIGURE didn't mean THEY BECOME FULLY HUMAN....there's difference between taking up human figure/appearance and FULLY HUMAN. I know you'll still bring Jesus case here...but just like I've said on that, Jesus didn't take on human figure/appearance but was FULLY HUMAN because He said "...IT IS I MYSELF, touch me and see for A SPIRIT has no FLESH and BONES as you see me HAVE" Jesus statement here means human can actually see a SPIRIT BEING in human form but that doesn't mean the spirit has FLESH AND BONES at that particular time. Moses and Elijah spirit are in heaven... Horama is not alethes . But you're claiming Horama isn't REALITY Ole.... Anyways, the two words and their meanings are there for you to battle with. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 10:07am On May 17, 2020 |
Emusan: Na wah o! Moses and Elijah spirit are in heaven! ![]() When Jesus said "no man has been there before" John 3:13 Jesus concluded by saying he himself is the only person who have lived both in heaven and on earth as a human! So when or how did Moses and Elijah got to heaven when the resurrection of the dead had not occurred? ![]() 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 10:20am On May 17, 2020 |
Emusan: According to Emusan , FULLY HUMAN ( FLESH AND BONES ) ... Then Angel that fought with Jacob was Fully human. Sense no just dey for you
When the angel was asked are you the man? His response " YES , I AM " Who is the " I " ? Either the angel and Jesus are both saying the truth , or both are lying
An Angel fought Jacob , Some sat down with Abraham ... Na ordinary flesh sat down to eat ? Na ordinary flesh wrestle ?? They lack bones . Mumu
Eccl 12:7 Every human spirit automatically goes to heaven then. They are dead men. Not spirits So explain how they appear physical to be seen when Jesus himself whom is The Ressurection is yet to die for mans sin ?
If Horama is reality , that Means Act 12:9 that said Peter didn't know its real is a lie. All what peter knows was that it was just an Horama . but didn't know it was reality Both are different. Why would someone with a divine nature had to do that through an Horama ( vision ) ? Trinity crashes 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 10:31am On May 17, 2020 |
freshboi88: That's why its a vision and not reality.
There are only two forms . Spirit being or human being. , Peter can never be eye witness to a spirit being. Cos they are invisible to the human eyes, very clear reality would mean they are physical. For a dead man to become physically alive. Ressurection is required . Question: Show me where it says Moses and Elijah has been ressurected Without Jesus dying for their sins?? One it will rubbish Jesus claim to be the resurrection . cos they get it without him dying ? So how exactly is this reality ?? 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 12:13pm On May 17, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Firstly, to even repeat that ANGEL FOUGHT with Jacob speaks volume of your lack of Bible knowledge. Just like I said before, go and get a good scholar review of that verse and stop disgracing yourself on public forum. Angels do take on HUMAN FIGURE to appear to human but that doesn't mean they are FULLY HUMAN.... When the angel was asked are you the man? His response " YES , I AM " The Angel didn't lie neither Jesus and they are boldly saying the truth which means Jesus was actually human having FLESH and BONES as spirits don't have and the Angel was actually "THE MAN" Only if you even understand @underlined since majority of you even lack simple English comprehension, what do you expect? Eccl 12:7 Every human spirit automatically goes to heaven then. You're right, every human spirit goes to the Father but the Father decides where they will be. SPIRITS do appear in HUMAN FIGURE for human to SEE THEM, I'll continue ringing it into your deaf ears. If Horama is reality , that Means Act 12:9 that said Peter didn't know its real is a lie. All what peter knows was that it was just an Horama . but didn't know it was reality Still grasping straw man... What I've provided here has proved you to be a liar! You'll still remain in your confusion until you receive sense to decipher what I've posted. |
Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Peacefullove: 12:30pm On May 17, 2020 |
Emusan: Dont be deluded , it was a real fight. The text never called it a vision. Mumu is askimg me to get human opinions when his Bible says otherwise. Fully human ( flesh and bone ) according to Emusan, therefore that angel in human form is Fully human. Those that visited Abraham SAT down to eat and drink , With which body , How could someone without bones sit ?? When they ate , they dont have teeth , which is a bone ?
Fully human to you means Flesh and bones. Angels appear with flesh and bones. Have given u an undeniable example.
Good u confess . Jesus claimed so due to the figure they see.
Every man enter heaven ? Wow . I thought heaven is too holy for sinners ? Meanwhile Jesus spirit returns to the Father YET he claimed he has not returned to him ? Now the question again: From where do Moses and Elijah get their physical form when Jesus whom is the Ressurection is yet to die for their sins or ressurect ? Dead on arrival. I told you they are dead men. Not spirits ... But rope yourself. Jesus spirit return to the Father , YET Jesus claimed he has not been to the Father ... Does that not tell what return to the Father is not moses and Elijah themselves ? Act 12:9 You clearly can't refute that point. Peter knows it real , because peter thought its an Horama ... Horama is real, then this should be correct that Peter knows its real . agree ? Finally : How could someone you claimed have divine nature only does that through a vision ? ![]() ![]() |
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