freshboi88:


Where did Lazarus get his physical body. U no get sense o

Through ressurection , Lazarus of Bethany got his physical body. SHOW ME WHERE Moses and Elijah WERE RESSURECTED ?

Peacefullove:
This is why I asked why Did God wait till Peter separated from others to show him the vision from heaven . then since its secret its secret, The animals are real . mind you even this event is an Horama. Before you start speaking from both side of your mouth.

The bold is utter nonsense, If Horama is Real . it means Peter knew the angel was actually present and Act 12:9 is a lie.

Until you find out and understand the meaning of Horama I posted earlier, if not you'll continue in your delusions.

And with their naked eyes they behold a physically present Moses and Elijah ?



Moses and Elijah are not spirit beings !!!

For them to have flesh means They have been ressurected. Deal with it.

MOSES and Elijah spirit are in heaven

Who told you that they have FLESH? that's the question you still failed to answer!

Explain the difference between REAL and Horama at Act 12:9 ?

Sight is the key . an eye witness is simply someone who testify what they see

Explain the difference between Horama and Real at Act 12:9 ??

According to strong Greek:
Alethes: True (as not concealing): - true, truly, truth

Horama: SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision!

Let me keep watching your ignorance!

Emusan:


Until you find out and understand the meaning of Horama I posted earlier, if not you'll continue in your delusions.



MOSES and Elijah spirit are in heaven

Who told you that they have FLESH? that's the question you still failed to answer!

How useless Jesus death is , So man dont even need Jesus to enter heaven . Wow , not even original sin can stop man from entering heaven.

To cure your delusion Ecc 12:7 ALL SPIRIT return to Heaven , Does that mean wicked people also go to heaven if this spirit is persons ?


Let me keep the second point .

According to strong Greek:
Alethes: True (as not concealing): - true, truly, truth

Horama: SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision!

Let me keep watching your ignorance!

Peter saw a sight of animals coming down from heaven, But the animals are not true/Real animals


Act 12;9 proved that Horama is a sight not an Actual Real presence.

Jesus staring at Emusan last post where he rubbished his death like

freshboi88:


Nah white people u carry they show me. JW no dey Nigeria. Slave

I showed you pictures of my sisters in different parts of the world, to prove that what you're hearing now from these guys here on Nairaland is working out what is benefitial globally.

But if it's Nigerian JWs you want to see here are my beautiful Nigerian sisters in the FAITH!

Peacefullove:


Through ressurection , Lazarus of Bethany got his physical body. SHOW ME WHERE Moses and Elijah WERE RESSURECTED ?

So will Lazarus be ressurected again?.....how many resurrections will Lazarus have?

freshboi88:


So will Lazarus be ressurected again?.....how many resurrections will Lazarus have?

Lazarus will be ressurected again to die no more . Jesus has now paid the price for him

Note the difference

So I asked Show me where Moses and Elijah were ressurected to everlasting life, to have been physically present ??

freshboi88:


What's Ur point boi

Tatime is now an appointed servant in the Christian congregation so you won't find him discussing with you. That's the order!

What he meant is you guys are the rich man depicted in Jesus' illustration begging for attention (from JWs) because you're tormented day and night with the gibberish your Pastors taught you that's of no benefit to you or your fellow Church members! Luke 16:24

Peacefullove:
How useless Jesus death is , So man dont even need Jesus to enter heaven . Wow , not even original sin can stop man from entering heaven.

To cure your delusion Ecc 12:7 ALL SPIRIT return to Heaven , Does that mean wicked people also go to heaven if this spirit is persons ?


Let me keep the second point .

This your tactics of hide and seek won't work! That's how you'll be coming up with different meaningless point just to deviate from the main point.

You claimed MOSES and Elijah aren't spirit for them to appear in human figure, I then told you they are spirit in heaven. instead of addressing that you shift post to another thing.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for you to show us from that verse where it says THEY HAVE FLESH!

Peter saw a sight of animals coming down from heaven, But the animals are not true/Real animals

Act 12;9 proved that Horama is a sight not an Actual Real presence.

You asked for meaning and I gave it to you only for you to revert back to your original statement.

Your mumu grade knows no bounds.

According to strong Greek:
Alethes: True (as not concealing): - true, truly, truth

Horama: SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision!

Let me add to your confusion:

Horama is from "Horao" which according to Strong Greek means; properly, STARE AT, i.e (by implication) to discern CLEARLY (physically or mentally); by extension, to attend to; I by Hebraism, to experience, to appear: - behold, perceive, SEE, take heed

Let me keep watching your ignorance!

Peacefullove:


Your own intelligence is just zero, Coming back from dead means Jesus ressurected him and he died again since Yeshua hasn't pay the price. Show me when Moses and Elijah were Ressurected to LIFE everlasting, When Jesus is yet to pay the price ??

Hahahaha atleast 0 is bigger than -100. E pain am die!!!!!!!!!

U think I'll be arguing mumu arguement with u.
If Lazarus can be brought back from the dead, is it above God to summon Moses and Elijah from the dead?

Peacefullove:


Lazarus will be ressurected again to die no more . Jesus has now paid the price for him

Note the difference

So I asked Show me where Moses and Elijah were ressurected to everlasting life, to have been physically present ??

They're TRINITARIANS nah!

They can't figure out Jehovah's will so their belief is anywhere belle face!

So don't expect them to have a specific line of thought on anything!

freshboi88:


Hahahaha atleast 0 is bigger than -100. E pain am die!!!!!!!!!

U think I'll be arguing mumu arguement with u.
If Lazarus can be brought back from the dead, is it above God to summon Moses and Elijah from the dead?

The ressurection hasn't occurred . unless you mean they are raised to DIE AGAIN like lazarus ? . Since Jesus has not paid the penalty to live forever at that time .


So Are they raised to Die again ? And you will show me where it says Moses Died twice.

Emusan:


This your tactics of hide and seek won't work! That's how you'll be coming up with different meaningless point just to deviate from the main point.

You claimed MOSES and Elijah aren't spirit for them to appear in human figure, I then told you they are spirit in heaven. instead of addressing that you shift post to another thing.

Guy man sharply comot from the spirit talk , Ecc 12:7 go wound am.

They are dead men . not spirit beings

The spirit of dead men is their Breath.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for you to show us from that verse where it says THEY HAVE FLESH!

Can human eyes behold a Spirit person . So for apostles to saw them FOR REAL, they are actuallly physical. Which begs the Question: How can they be physical when the ressurection hasn't occurred

Your propose the below:

" SPIRIT beings do take on HUMAN figure so that they can be seen by human...
" - Emusan


You finally admit they are Human, The question again: How did they get back their human body when Jesus is yet to ressurect the dead ??

You asked for meaning and I gave it to you only for you to revert back to your original statement.

Your mumu grade knows no bounds.

According to strong Greek:
Alethes: True (as not concealing): - true, truly, truth

Horama is not alethes .

Agree ?

Horama: SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision!

Let me add to your confusion:

Horama is from "Horao" which according to Strong Greek means; properly, STARE AT, i.e (by implication) to discern CLEARLY (physically or mentally); by extension, to attend to; I by Hebraism, to experience, to appear: - behold, perceive, SEE, take heed

Let me keep watching your ignorance!

Horama was the case of Peter too.
Peter saw , stare , sight animals dropped from heaven , He SAW, BUT ARE THEY REAL ANIMALS ?

Act 12:9 That which is real and truth is alethes , Not horama an ordinary sight.

Horama is not alethes , agree ?

Peacefullove:
Jesus staring at Emusan last post where he rubbished his death like

I told you their brain is anywhere belle face!

If Moses and Elijah have gone to heaven (in SPIRIT) then why would Jesus said no man has ascended to heaven before except himself that came from heaven?

And if Jesus meant in spirit, then we could ask did Jesus entered Mary's womb (to be born) in flesh or in spirit?

If Jesus said "no man" evidently he's talking about either spirit or flesh because his last statement proved he was transformed into an embryo in his mother's womb (meaning the pregnancy happened spiritually).

So when or how did Moses and Elijah got to heaven when Jesus who came from heaven said no human has been there? Ecclesiastes 3:19-21

Peacefullove:


The ressurection hasn't occurred . unless you mean they are raised to DIE AGAIN like lazarus ? . Since Jesus has not paid the penalty to live forever at that time .


So Are they raised to Die again ? And you will show me where it says Moses Died twice.

Are u saying Jehovah I restricted to rules....is his power limited?.....is Jehovah's power limited?

Mind u the bible didn't say what form they appeared in. In whatever form they appeared, Peter was an eyewitness

freshboi88:


Are u saying Jehovah I restricted to rules....is his power limited?.....is Jehovah's power limited?

Mind u the bible didn't say what form they appeared in. In whatever form they appeared, Peter was an eyewitness

Jehovah highly respects his own words, so he will never go against it!

That's why he is the God who choose to be our own God, JEHOVAH is LOYAL!

His word says the one and only way for resurrection is Jesus' ransom sacrifice, if this sacrifice has not been offered there is nothing like a permanent resurrection.

All those whom Jesus resurrected later died again because the price has not been paid, even after the price has been paid it must follow due process, Jesus (the lamb) has to present it before his father in heaven first!

That's why the holy spirit never came immediately after Jesus' ascension to heaven, it was after he has presented the sacrifice that Jehovah God released his holy spirit to come and take control of those whom Jesus had trained for the mission.

So when arguing think about the name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, we may be restricted in knowing his next move but we can tell you what Jehovah can't and will never do! Genesis 18:25

TATIME:


The rich man was begging father Abraham to instruct Lazarus to deep his finger into water and cool his tongue in his torments.
These critics are happier than ever that you guys are giving them the opportunity to argue with you, otherwise the gibberish their Pastors infused in their brains has become a thorn in their system and they're now feeling bad that upon all what they learnt from those greedy Daddy GOs there is no PRACTICAL BENEFITS!
So at least they're happy as JWs (the world's best Bible scholars) are giving them audience and responding to their thoughtlessness!

World Best Schorlars really TATIME? SMH when you don't know how the INSIGHT BOOK was produced. It's EXPECTED.

freshboi88:


What's Ur point boi

His point is to RAISE the only known SCHORLARS the JWs ORGANIZATION ever had.....Fred Franz as the BEST Scholars in the WORLD up and above the numerous SCHOLARS scattered all over the world in which THEIR commentaries they used in producing the INSIGHT publication they had.

Maximus69:


Tatime is now an appointed servant in the Christian congregation so you won't find him discussing with you. That's the order!

What he meant is you guys are the rich man depicted in Jesus' illustration begging for attention (from JWs) because you're tormented day and night with the gibberish your Pastors taught you that's of no benefit to you or your fellow Church members! Luke 16:24

JESUS spoke to SATAN after entry in his COMMISSION. Where do such ORDER given to TATIME come from? Afterall freshboi is not an APOSTATE and he is not SATAN. He should be free to COMMUNICATE with whom he pleases.

When you get your OWN appointment too please do inform us or ask someone else to do so on your behalf in order for us to see IF you will OBEY the ORDER or NOT.

achorladey:



JESUS spoke to SATAN after entry in his COMMISSION. Where do such ORDER given to TATIME come from? Afterall freshboi is not an APOSTATE and he is not SATAN. He should be free to COMMUNICATE with whom he pleases.

When you get your OWN appointment too please do inform us or ask someone else to do so on your behalf in order for us to see IF you will OBEY the ORDER or NOT.

Baptized last year, but after appointment as a minister in the congregation, you'll not see me discussing with critics again! John 14:19

Maximus69:


Baptized last year, but after appointment as a minister in the congregation, you'll not see me discussing with critics again! John 14:19

Thank you! I don hear

Only this your APPOINTMENT as a MINISTER is making me laugh perhaps you have forgotten the what the SPEAKER said after you answered YES to the TWO QUESTIONS asked when you did your BAPTISM.

Let me bring it to your NOTICE one more time....YOUR CLEAR, AFFIRMATIVE answers to these questions indicate that you are QUALIFIED for BAPTISM as ORDAINED MINISTERS of JEHOVAH GOD.

Meaning of ORDAINED according to Websters dictionary.......... to ESTABLISH or ORDER by APPOINTMENT.

So you see why I am laughing.

cc: TATIME

achorladey:


Thank you! I don hear

Only this your APPOINTMENT as a MINISTER is making me laugh perhaps you have forgotten the what the SPEAKER said after you answered YES to the TWO QUESTIONS asked when you did your BAPTISM.

Let me bring it to your NOTICE one more time....YOUR CLEAR, AFFIRMATIVE answers to these questions indicate that you are QUALIFIED for BAPTISM as ORDAINED MINISTERS of JEHOVAH GOD.

Meaning of ORDAINED according to Websters dictionary.......... to ESTABLISH or ORDER by APPOINTMENT.

So you see why I am laughing.

cc: TATIME

Hmmmmmmmm you don't get it Sir!

The ordination we get at baptism means we are now fully competent and completely equipped to handle Bible study of interested persons outside the organization.
But appointment as a minister in the congregation is totally different from that.
Note that the same question goes for both male and female baptismal candidates but females do not officiate in our midst!
So the appointment of officiating ministers differs from what happened at baptism!

Maximus69:


Hmmmmmmmm you don't get it Sir!

The ordination we get at baptism means we are now fully competent and completely equipped to handle Bible study of interested persons outside the organization.
But appointment as a minister in the congregation is totally different from that.
Note that the same question goes for both male and female baptismal candidates but females do not officiate in our midst!
So the appointment of officiating ministers differs from what happened at baptism!

Explanation explanation, explanation the simple question is ARE YOU A MINISTER NOW?

Answer: Yes

Are you serving as a MINISTER in the congregation now YES?

Are you an OFFICIATING MINISTER? Yes

Except you tell us that YOU don't ACT or called UPON to act in OFFICIAL capacity.

Whoever wants to become GREAT among YOU must be YOUR MINISTER. You are still WAITING for OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION as it were for your PERSONAL invisible/visible OFFICE.

achorladey:

Explanation explanation, explanation the simple question is ARE YOU A MINISTER NOW?
Answer: Yes
Are you serving as a MINISTER in the congregation now YES?
Are you an OFFICIATING MINISTER? Yes
Except you tell us that YOU don't ACT or called UPON to act in OFFICIAL capacity.
Whoever wants to become GREAT among YOU must be YOUR MINISTER. You are still WAITING for OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION as it were for your PERSONAL invisible/visible OFFICE.

You see why i always avoid you!

You asked a question,i honoured you by responding, you asked about baptism, i told you this is different because all of us answer the same question during baptism but females don't officiate in our midst.

And by the end of the day, you just want to argue after the whole response!

Maximus69:


You see why i always avoid you!

You asked a question,i honoured you by responding, you asked about baptism, i told you this is different because all of us answer the same question during baptism but females don't officiate in our midst.

And by the end of the day, you just want to argue after the whole response!

Maximus69: females don't officiate in our midst.

Achorladey: And in cases where SPECIFIED/delegated MALES are ABSENT who OFFICIATES?

Your guess is as good as mine.

You see it as ARGUING your PALAVER. This is a discussion platform the reason it's OWNER called it a FORUM.

achorladey:



Maximus69: females don't officiate in our midst.

Achorladey: And in cases where SPECIFIED/delegated MALES are ABSENT who OFFICIATES?

Your guess is as good as mine.

You see it as ARGUING your PALAVER. This is a discussion platform the reason it's OWNER called it a FORUM.

You can continue with your argument!

Peacefullove:
Guy man sharply comot from the spirit talk , Ecc 12:7 go wound am.

They are dead men . not spirit beings

The spirit of dead men is their Breath.

Can human eyes behold a Spirit person . So for apostles to saw them FOR REAL, they are actuallly physical. Which begs the Question: How can they be physical when the ressurection hasn't occurred

Your propose the below:

" SPIRIT beings do take on HUMAN figure so that they can be seen by human...
" - Emusan

You finally admit they are Human, The question again: How did they get back their human body when Jesus is yet to ressurect the dead ??

Olodo....

Taking HUMAN FIGURE didn't mean THEY BECOME FULLY HUMAN....there's difference between taking up human figure/appearance and FULLY HUMAN.

I know you'll still bring Jesus case here...but just like I've said on that, Jesus didn't take on human figure/appearance but was FULLY HUMAN because He said "...IT IS I MYSELF, touch me and see for A SPIRIT has no FLESH and BONES as you see me HAVE"

Jesus statement here means human can actually see a SPIRIT BEING in human form but that doesn't mean the spirit has FLESH AND BONES at that particular time.

Moses and Elijah spirit are in heaven...

Horama is not alethes .

Agree ?

Horama was the case of Peter too.
Peter saw , stare , sight animals dropped from heaven , He SAW, BUT ARE THEY REAL ANIMALS ?

Act 12:9 That which is real and truth is alethes , Not horama an ordinary sight.

Horama is not alethes , agree ?

But you're claiming Horama isn't REALITY


Ole....

Anyways, the two words and their meanings are there for you to battle with.

Emusan:


Olodo....

Moses and Elijah spirit are in heaven...

But you're claiming Horama isn't REALITY

Ole....

Anyways, the two words and their meanings are there for you to battle with.

Na wah o!

Moses and Elijah spirit are in heaven!

When Jesus said "no man has been there before" John 3:13

Jesus concluded by saying he himself is the only person who have lived both in heaven and on earth as a human!

So when or how did Moses and Elijah got to heaven when the resurrection of the dead had not occurred?

Emusan:


Olodo....

Taking HUMAN FIGURE didn't mean THEY BECOME FULLY HUMAN....there's difference between taking up human figure/appearance and FULLY HUMAN.

According to Emusan , FULLY HUMAN ( FLESH AND BONES ) ... Then Angel that fought with Jacob was Fully human. Sense no just dey for you

I know you'll still bring Jesus case here...but just like I've said on that, Jesus didn't take on human figure/appearance but was FULLY HUMAN because He said "...IT IS I MYSELF, touch me and see for A SPIRIT has no FLESH and BONES as you see me HAVE"

When the angel was asked are you the man? His response " YES , I AM "

Who is the " I " ?

Either the angel and Jesus are both saying the truth , or both are lying

Jesus statement here means human can actually see a SPIRIT BEING in human form but that doesn't mean the spirit has FLESH AND BONES at that particular time.

An Angel fought Jacob , Some sat down with Abraham ... Na ordinary flesh sat down to eat ? Na ordinary flesh wrestle ??

They lack bones . Mumu

Moses and Elijah spirit are in heaven...

Eccl 12:7 Every human spirit automatically goes to heaven then.

They are dead men. Not spirits

So explain how they appear physical to be seen when Jesus himself whom is The Ressurection is yet to die for mans sin ?

But you're claiming Horama isn't REALITY


Ole....

Anyways, the two words and their meanings are there for you to battle with.

If Horama is reality , that Means Act 12:9 that said Peter didn't know its real is a lie. All what peter knows was that it was just an Horama . but didn't know it was reality

Both are different.


Why would someone with a divine nature had to do that through an Horama ( vision ) ? Trinity crashes

freshboi88:


Are u saying Jehovah I restricted to rules....is his power limited?.....is Jehovah's power limited?

That's why its a vision and not reality.

Mind u the bible didn't say what form they appeared in. In whatever form they appeared, Peter was an eyewitness

There are only two forms . Spirit being or human being. , Peter can never be eye witness to a spirit being. Cos they are invisible to the human eyes, very clear reality would mean they are physical.

For a dead man to become physically alive. Ressurection is required . Question: Show me where it says Moses and Elijah has been ressurected Without Jesus dying for their sins?? One it will rubbish Jesus claim to be the resurrection . cos they get it without him dying ? So how exactly is this reality ??

Peacefullove:
According to Emusan , FULLY HUMAN ( FLESH AND BONES ) ... Then Angel that fought with Jacob was Fully human. Sense no just dey for you

An Angel fought Jacob , Some sat down with Abraham ... Na ordinary flesh sat down to eat ? Na ordinary flesh wrestle ??

They lack bones . Mumu

Firstly, to even repeat that ANGEL FOUGHT with Jacob speaks volume of your lack of Bible knowledge. Just like I said before, go and get a good scholar review of that verse and stop disgracing yourself on public forum.

Angels do take on HUMAN FIGURE to appear to human but that doesn't mean they are FULLY HUMAN....

When the angel was asked are you the man? His response " YES , I AM "

Who is the " I " ?

Either the angel and Jesus are both saying the truth , or both are lying.

The Angel didn't lie neither Jesus and they are boldly saying the truth which means Jesus was actually human having FLESH and BONES as spirits don't have and the Angel was actually "THE MAN"

Only if you even understand @underlined since majority of you even lack simple English comprehension, what do you expect?

Eccl 12:7 Every human spirit automatically goes to heaven then.

They are dead men. Not spirits

So explain how they appear physical to be seen when Jesus himself whom is The Ressurection is yet to die for mans sin ?

You're right, every human spirit goes to the Father but the Father decides where they will be.

SPIRITS do appear in HUMAN FIGURE for human to SEE THEM, I'll continue ringing it into your deaf ears.

If Horama is reality , that Means Act 12:9 that said Peter didn't know its real is a lie. All what peter knows was that it was just an Horama . but didn't know it was reality

Both are different.

Why would someone with a divine nature had to do that through an Horama ( vision ) ? Trinity crashes

Still grasping straw man...
What I've provided here has proved you to be a liar!

You'll still remain in your confusion until you receive sense to decipher what I've posted.

Emusan:


Firstly, to even repeat that ANGEL FOUGHT with Jacob speaks volume of your lack of Bible knowledge. Just like I said before, go and get a good scholar review of that verse and stop disgracing yourself on public forum.

Dont be deluded , it was a real fight. The text never called it a vision. Mumu is askimg me to get human opinions when his Bible says otherwise.

Fully human ( flesh and bone ) according to Emusan, therefore that angel in human form is Fully human.


Those that visited Abraham SAT down to eat and drink , With which body , How could someone without bones sit ?? When they ate , they dont have teeth , which is a bone ?

Angels do take on HUMAN FIGURE to appear to human but that doesn't mean they are FULLY HUMAN....

Fully human to you means Flesh and bones. Angels appear with flesh and bones. Have given u an undeniable example.

The Angel didn't lie neither Jesus and they are boldly saying the truth which means Jesus have FLESH and BONES as spirits don't have and the Angel was actually "THE MAN"

Only if you even understand @underlined since majority of you even lack simple English comprehension, what do you expect?

Good u confess . Jesus claimed so due to the figure they see.

You're right, every human spirit goes to the Father but the Father decides where they will be.

Every man enter heaven ? Wow . I thought heaven is too holy for sinners ?


Meanwhile Jesus spirit returns to the Father YET he claimed he has not returned to him ?

Now the question again: From where do Moses and Elijah get their physical form when Jesus whom is the Ressurection is yet to die for their sins or ressurect ?

SPIRITS do appear in HUMAN FIGURE for human to SEE THEM, I'll continue ringing it into your deaf ears.

Dead on arrival.
I told you they are dead men. Not spirits ... But rope yourself.

Jesus spirit return to the Father , YET Jesus claimed he has not been to the Father ... Does that not tell what return to the Father is not moses and Elijah themselves ?

Still grasping straw man...
What I've provided here has proved you to be a liar!

You'll still remain in your confusion until you receive sense to decipher what I've posted.

Act 12:9

You clearly can't refute that point.

Peter knows it real , because peter thought its an Horama ... Horama is real, then this should be correct that Peter knows its real . agree ?


Finally : How could someone you claimed have divine nature only does that through a vision ?