₦airaland Forum

Lostz:
is there any Igbo, ukwuani/Ndokwa or Anioma man...both in the Southeast/Southsouth who is occupying a higher position politically than DSP Obarisi Ovie Omo-Agege ?

Nnamdi Azikiwe is from Onitsha town and Onitsha is an Anioma town.
Can any Urhobo man can beat this (thinking)

Efewestern:
Where in my post did I say he/she is from SE? I only implied that she has a motive of creating the account which isn't beneficiary to any Deltans. it's very uncommon to find an Anioma child attacking others unprovoked.

My initial post wasn't meant to paint any picture, but to send a message, that the moniker is trying to stir up a tribal battle online and should be ignored, once told Mystiquefia to let her be with her rants.

What were you expecting me to do? encourage others to engage her? to what end? start unnecessary competition when we have serious issues at hand?

I have saw so many demeaning words from that account, yet I didn't react to call anyone out, I have no issues with you or your people, everybody they maintain he lane.

Liliantalks is also questioning her person.

Ok

I initially never wanted to comment on this thread because of some strange monikers hiding under the Anioma banner to dish out hate, very uncommon with the good people of Anioma, never have I met any Anioma child with such level of hate and bitterness.


Just that this part of your post got my Igbophobia radar picking signals.

Let me assume it was a false signal for now.

I will take my leave from this thread.

omoharry:
What I see here is a group of people arguing over which tribe is more important than the other in Delta state.Of cos every tribe will say their tribe is more important in areas of values, population, social/political relevance etc.
If only we could use this energy as a think tank to suggest ways our restive and lazy youth in Delta state can be de-radicalize from their troublesome way of doing things, which have prevented investors from seeing Warri/Delta state as a peaceful and good place to invest in.

We are always at each others neck to brag over who is better than the other..do you guys expect the other tribe to stand bye and accept to be looked down on by another tribe? of cause not..so why do we always engage in this kind of argument that add no value to our very existence? of what good is this argument anyway? All the claim over land by the Ijaw, Urhobos and the Itsekiris , how has it brought development to the land?.All I see are some group of leaders who feel entitle to Warri so that they can continue get royalties from companies/Govt in order to fill up their pocket and that of their cronies. While the land is left under developed and their people linger in abject poverty with decaying and polluted environment.
It was under the eyes of this Obas that our environment were polluted and degraded by oil companies. And what did they do? Nothing. They looked the other way and allowed their subject to suffer undue hardship as a result of the environmental pollution caused by oil spillage . As far as I cam concerned these obas and ovies' title should be scrapped.

Warri is in a sorry state becos the Itsekiris feel they have more right to the land while the Urhobos & Ijaws are always contesting it.And the result is violence and youth restiveness.There is no meaningful development in Warri today becos each tribe has often tried to sabotage any development in different location of another tribe since the project is not sited on their region.why?

Why cant we discuss on how to change the mind of our youth from their entitlement mentality through a social/Govt program for this very purpose?. Why cant we let them see that the reason Warri is in a sorry state state is because of their violent and restive nature? .They need to understand that due to their troublesome nature they have succeeded in chasing out companies and investors that are suppose to provide jobs for the them and their community. They should understand that the reason the oil companies have refused to return their head quarters back to Delta/River state is becos of who we are..our people are not peaceful at all.We are too violent and myopic..they see gra gra as a way of life. Our Lazy youth/their leaders do not see beyond their nose and always want fast money through their entitlement behavior. Now there is hunger in the land and this same youth have resorted to robbery and kidnapping as a way of life. We should be concern about restoring Warri to the way it was when we had companies that went about their businesses without the tribal wars of the Three tribes getting in the way.

All these stupid argument of which tribe is more important than the other or who is more entitled to Warri is all rubbish.I dont know why the black man will never sit down to think on how to solve a problem but would rather be masturbating over who he is better than in other to make him feel good .That is a pathetic way of thinking.

Wow, I love this.
You always make sensible comments ever since I knew you.

The sad truth is that we Africans are yet to evolve beyond ethnicity.
Europe was once where we were and they overcame this by many wars and conflicts which gave them the modern ethnic based countries they have today.

Not until we all Africans have ethnic based countries, we may never progress or leave the issues of Tribalism holding us back.

Our countries are a product of white men sitting on a table with a pencil. We need to have countries of our own which we choose.

darfay:
They are still more Isoko communities there sef While ndokwa villages like asaba ase now has an Isoko majority speaking population and igboid was talking of assimilation

Igboid is actually Ignorant of this.

Actually, the Isokos are the ones assimilating the Igbo speakers in Ndokwa LGA.

darfay:
No qualms bro, are you also isoko too?

When they eventually get their state, u will know Agbor is different from Aboh. But ukwale and ika people don't identity with Anioma

No pls you are wrong.

Most Ukwuani & Ikas reject Igbo identity, but they never reject Anioma. They embrace it with wide arms open.
You are mistaking Anioma for Igbo here.

Most Ukwuanis & Ikas even accept the Delta Ibo tag... The pure Igbo identity is what they have a problem with cos they cherish their uniqueness from the SE.

I have been following this thread .

When I served in kaduna state, I was so in love with deltans , they were so cooperative towards each other , even with different ethnic groups in delta , u wouldn’t notice if u ain’t told , They drank together and mingled like they knew before coming to camp but they all met in camp , everyone admired them and envied their pidgin.

So this not making sense to me

darfay:
There is an under utilised seaport at sapele. Them get hope pass una

Does Urhobo land have access to the high sea without going through Itsekiri or Ijaw territories?
I doubt that, it is highly unlikely.

Cc Efe2real, Efewestern, Mystiquefia

Chamukebenson:
I have been following this thread .

When I served in kaduna state, I was so in love with deltans , they were so cooperative towards each other , even with different ethnic groups in delta , u wouldn’t notice if u ain’t told , They drank together and mingled like they knew before coming to camp but they all met in camp , everyone admired them and envied their pidgin.

So this not making sense to me

Don't mind that Ada ethnic bigot

Nowenuse:
Igboid is actually Ignorant of this.

Actually, the Isokos are the ones assimilating the Igbo speakers in Ndokwa LGA.

It's actually true, some of their communities with the usual Umi this umu that are Isoko speaking.
I personally believe that urhobo and isoko were edoid groups who migrated into very sparsely populated igboid lands amongst also the virgin lands which they settled.
Anibeze in bayelsa state for example is an Isoko settlement without any modern trace of igboid population but the name of the community means nothing in isoko language but is self explanatory in igboid languages.
This is just my personal opinion tho and shouldn't be taken as facts tho

Mystiquefia:
Delta State is governed by an anioma man and still doing badly. Infact delta state had never retrogressed like it has under okowa. You Love Cheastbeating Alot.. Have you heard of the ibru family?

As a Deltan by birth, I disagree with you on this.
Uduaghan destroyed the state and has been the worst performing governor, not Okowa, let us be sincere.

Okowa is working in every part of Delta state except Warri-Uvwie-Udu urban (which is unfortunate).

Nowenuse:
No pls you are wrong.

Most Ukwuani & Ikas reject Igbo identity, but they never reject Anioma. They embrace it with wide arms open.
You are mistaking Anioma for Igbo here.

Most Ukwuanis & Ikas even accept the Delta Ibo tag... The pure Igbo identity is what they have a problem with cos they cherish their uniqueness from the SE.

spot on . Ndokwas and aniochas are same

I just dy laugh. When election reach okowa was begging urhobo kings left and right. Even okowa dare not challenge urhobo. One smallie just come online to talk thrash
. Only a fool will argue with this bigot who always shout marginalization in delta state
.

Branzy:
I just dy laugh. When election reach okowa was begging urhobo kings left and right. Even okowa dare not challenge urhobo. One smallie just come online to talk thrash
. Only a fool will argue with this bigot who always shout marginalization in delta state
.

like an urhobo man can win an election without the votes of aniomas . It’s like this in delta . The votes of the urhobos and Aniomas very important is all elections. Except u want to argue baselessly .

pazienza:
What's the meaning of presently?

Did the world start existing presently.
How about the fact that Urhobo has no single Governor while Ndiigbo have 5 plus 2 Igboid governors in Okowa and Wike.
Okowa is ruling you in your state and you guys are perpetually condemned to gnash your teeth over Asaba capital status until Nigeria stops existing.
I mean Asaba is closer to Awka than its to Warri. Before you leave Sapaele to Asaba I have already gone to Asaba from my home town in Ogidi and come back thrice . Your capital city serves Ndiigbo in Anambra more than it serves you, it must be painful for your guys over there.

Anioma has 9 LGA, you have just 7 and have to claim Isoko to measure up to Anioma.

Mind yourselves, Ndiigbo are not your problem.

. This is savagery at it's highest. It is painful, but it is true.
Asaba actually serves SE Igbos more than it does Urhobos, Itsekiris, Isokos & Ijaws.

Kai, this one Nigeria ehn.

Lostz:
Urhobo actually voted for Okowa. we are not as greedy as the southeast.

the Urhobos don't have governor now but have the highest ranked elected individual in the Southsouth/East. your 45m population should get you more than just governor in Nigeria. you should be battling with the Yorubas and hausa

Asaba may be capital but does not measure economically to warri

Bro, unfortunately, Asaba is growing and developing rapidly to almost outcompete Warri.

If Delta central doesn't produce a reasonable governor next who invests much and develops Warri, Asaba will displace Warri as the heart of Delta state in the nearest future.

efe2real:
I disagree with you. Urhobo has many dialects. Some of them include ughiewvien, Udu, Uvwie, Ughelli, Olomu, Agbarho, Okpe, Agbarha, Jesse, Oghara, and Ewvreni. Okpe dialect is similar to Uvwie dialect. An Ughiewven man might have a hard time understanding an Uvwie and an Okpe man. The general Urhobo spoken is that of Agbarho.

Any of this dialect can choose to become a distinct ethnic group like the Isoko if they want. Likewise many choose to remain in the Urhobo nation just like the Okpes. The Isokos and Urhobos were jointly reffered to as the Sobos by the British during the colonial era. While the Isokos decided to forge an ethnic identity of theirs later, the other Urhobo dialects, including the Okpes, decided to stay within the Urhobo nation.

It is the same way an Anambra man might have a hard time understanding an Edda man from Ebonyi. But they are all Igbos.

The names and culture of the different dialects, plus Okpe, and even that of Isoko, are quite similar with minor differences here and there.

I just want to point out that there are different dialects among the Urhobos.

Nice one.

Politically, Okpes are still together with the Urhobos, but mentally, most Okpes reject Urhobo identity. Why is this so?

Many of them vehemently assert their Okpe identity and get angry and even violent if you insist it is the same with Urhobo.

Mystiquefia:
i was surprised when dey kept on rolling out names oh. many of us here dont even know or care about the industralists from our lands. I believe it came to be with the several altercations they had with yorubas on which tribe is superior sha, so they are always bandying it everywhere waiting to rub it on peoples face

Hahaha, this is very true.

Yorubas & Igbos, due to their constant rivalry on nairaland have taken years and years to compile lists of successful people from their ethnic groups.
They always bring it out and accuse other tribes of not having successful people whenever the need arises.

Nwanyiogwashi:
but we are still under Anioma cultural group? We meet together and do meet together both in school and churches unlike okpe kingdom and urhobo that do theres differently

You are not a very smart person.

Your comments are full of rantings without any sensible analysis.
Go and learn to read well if you truly want represent Anioma people.

For me I think you are a very young SE Igbo male teenager who is over-obssesed with Anioma issues.

You are not an Anioma person.

Liliantalks:
so u think any urhobo man can win an election with out the votes of the aniomas? Let me hear it ? The iteshikis is not urhobo o neither r the Isokos . So don’t refer them as one. We talking about pure urhobos

Gather your thoughts and express them properly before engaging in conversation. No tribe in Delta state is many enough to win election on their own.

Poloyanabo1:
Urhobo is 5th largest ethnic group nationally?
Lie... even Ibibio in Aks is more than Urhobo, not to talk of kanur,, tiv, idoma and the rest.
Btw Ijaw is the fourth largest undisputably spanning over 5 niger delta states.

We need a census to truly know.

Nowenuse:
Bro, unfortunately, Asaba is growing and developing rapidly to almost outcompete Warri.

If Delta central doesn't produce a reasonable governor next who invests much and develops Warri, Asaba will displace Warri as the heart of Delta state in the nearest future.

Asaba way I dy. Igbos and hausa have taken over asaba. Then yu see urhobo.

Liliantalks:
like an urhobo man can win an election without the votes of aniomas . It’s like this in delta . The votes of the urhobos and Aniomas very important is all elections. Except u want to argue baselessly .

If all urhobo in both senatorial district rally along one candidate they will win any gubernatorial elections. But urhobo don't play that politics. Ogburo tried that card and win I think only 3 local govt

SocialJustice:
Gather your thoughts and express them properly before engaging in conversation. No tribe in Delta state is many enough to win election on their own.

so in other to sound smart u hv to say trash first ,, u obviously can’t read to understand. Infact ur first sentence is for urself .

Branzy:
If all urhobo in both senatorial district rally along one candidate they will win any gubernatorial elections. But urhobo don't play that politics. Ogburo tried that card and win I think only 3 local govt

it’s not possible

SocialJustice:
We need a census to truly know.

Nigeria lack proper data. The fifth largest ethnic group is unknown so many groups lay claim to it

Efewestern:
Greetings.

I initially never wanted to comment on this thread because of some strange monikers hiding under the Anioma banner to dish out hate, very uncommon with the good people of Anioma, never have I met any Anioma child with such level of hate and bitterness.

My little contributions to the thread.

Delta state, infact Nigeria as a whole is lagging behind when it comes to real development, most of our cities are highly overrated, so I'm definitely not going to talk about cities but level of urbanization in Delta state.

Urbanization.

It's an open secret that Delta central is one of the most urbanized region in Delta state, all thanks to the oil industry. 3 of the 6 urbanized towns in Delta State are in Urhobo land, the rest spread across other regions.

Top 6 Urban Areas in Delta State


Uvwie/Udu/Parts of Okpe(Jeddo, Osubi) - Urhobo
Warri - Shared with itsekiri and Ijaw
Asaba
Agbor
Ughelli - Urhobo
Sapele. - Urhobo

Human resources

Deltans generally are doing very great, was looking at a a list of Nigerians who graduated with masters in a US university, to my greatest surprise, for every Yoruba and Igbo, there's either an Urhobo name, an Isoko name or an Edo name, even with a population of less that 6 millions, the Urhobos were practically competing with the big two in human development.

In business, they have produced big shots like Ibru and co, till date, the Urhobos still control the fishing industry in Lagos. In entertainment, they own the comedy industry and are doing well in the movie industry, although still can't compare to the big two. In sports, Anioma trumps everyone.

Anioma dominate the financial sector and are also one of the southern group with huge concentration in the armed forces in southern Nigeria. Every family has a son in either the army, the navy, air force or police.

Resources

Urhobo is the third highest producer of crude oil in Delta State, followed by Isoko then Anioma with Itsekiri and Ijaw being the First and second.

pazienza , Mystiquefia, darfay, Nowenuse

Nice one. Yes Urhobo land is more urbanized than Anioma land.
Infact I keep telling my Anioma friends to thank their stars that they got the captial in Asaba, otherwise their homeland would have almost been nothing to write about.

Now Asaba can neutralize Urhobo parts of Warri urban/Uvwie/Udu in development.

Agbor can neutralize Ughelli. Obiaruku can neutralize Abraka, but Obiaruku is not populated with vibes like Abraka with the university.

Kwale can neutralize Oghara.

The Urhobos still have Sapele standing

Ogwashi Uku is nothing and can only compare the likes of Mosogar-Jesse.


In terms of human capital. It is almost a tie between Aniomas & Urhobos. However, I will say that Aniomas have a more higher quality population than Urhobos and this is not insulting.
Urhobos had and still keep on having many more children than Aniomas and this reduced the quality of the population.

Take the Enuanis for example, they are the most educated in Delta state in my opinion. You hardly come across a full blown illiterate from this area. All my life in Delta state, I have only come across one woman in her middle age from Enuani who was an illiterate. But for the Urhobos, Isokos, Ijaws, Itsekiris and even Ikas & Ndokwas, it is higher.

I attended Federal government college Warri & UNIBEN and through my years in both schools, Enuanis (Anochia/Oshimili people) were always at the top of the class and performed better than the Urhobos and others on average. These Enuanis also tend to come from richer and more educated middle-class families from my observation. .

However in terms of successful people. It is almost a tie between Urhobos and Aniomas. Urhobos almost exclusively founded and grew the comedy industry of Nigeria. They dominate this industry.
They carved a niche for Warri in Nigeria. Though, Aniomas are far ahead in capitalism and wealth creation.

Oil discovery came in too early for the Urhobos. It has unfortunately made many of them very lazy and reluctant with a strong sense of entitlement. ....
This character is worse among the Uvwie, Udu & Warri south Urhobos. So many of them do not want to go to school anymore, but want to be in charge of community funds and allocations. Oil is really more of a curse than a blessing abeg.

Nowenuse:
Nice one. Yes Urhobo land is more urbanized than Anioma land.
Infact I keep telling my Anioma friends to thank their stars that they got the captial in Asaba, otherwise their homeland would have almost been nothing to write about.

Now Asaba can neutralize Urhobo parts of Warri urban/Uvwie/Udu in development.

Agbor can neutralize Ughelli. Obiaruku can neutralize Abraka, but Obiaruku is not populated with vibes like Abraka with the university.

Kwale can neutralize Oghara.

The Urhobos still have Sapele standing

Ogwashi Uku is nothing and can only compare the likes of Mosogar-Jesse.


In terms of human capital. It is almost a tie between Aniomas & Urhobos. However, I will say that Aniomas have a more higher quality population than Urhobos and this is not insulting.
Urhobos had and still keep on having many more children than Aniomas and this reduced the quality of the population.

Take the Enuanis for example, they are the most educated in Delta state in my opinion. You hardly come across a full blown illiterate from this area. All my life in Delta state, I have only come across one woman in her middle age from Enuani who was an illiterate. But for the Urhobos, Isokos, Ijaws, Itsekiris and even Ikas & Ndokwas, it is higher.

I attended Federal government college Warri & UNIBEN and through my years in both schools, Enuanis (Anochia/Oshimili people) were always at the top of the class and performed better than the Urhobos and others on average. These Enuanis also tend to come from richer and more educated middle-class families from my observation. .

However in terms of successful people. It is almost a tie between Urhobos and Aniomas. Urhobos almost exclusively founded and grew the comedy industry of Nigeria. They dominate this industry.
They carved a niche for Warri in Nigeria. Though, Aniomas are far ahead in capitalism and wealth creation.

Oil discovery came in too early for the Urhobos. It has unfortunately made many of them very lazy and reluctant with a strong sense of entitlement. ....
This character is worse among the Uvwie, Udu & Warri south Urhobos. So many of them do not want to go to school anymore, but want to be in charge of community funds and allocations. Oil is really more of a curse than a blessing abeg.

ogwashi is the third developed anioma area.

Saying Ogwashi is like mosogar , shows u are saying rubbish , infact u don’t know what u are saying !!!

darfay:
I know, but even if you remove 20% from it, it still outnumbers them

Isokos are not as small as you think they are.
If you add Urhobos & Isokos together, Isokos make up to 30% of the population, if not more.

People look down on Isoko numbers cos they have only 2 LGAs and migrate from their land like nonsense.
Isokos outnumber Itsekiris by far and can measure up to the Ijaws in Delta state if not outnumber them.

I knew Isokos were so many looking back when I was in schools. In my secondary sch in Warri, for every 10 Urhobos you find, you find like 6 Isokos. Infact in my department and faculty in Uniben, Isokos equalled Urhobos in numbers. Living in Warri, Isokos can give Urhobos from outside Warri area (i e Ughellis, Okpes & Ethiopes) a good run for their money in numbers.

It's unfortunate that Isokos got only 2 LGAs. If we had ethnic census in Nigeria, so many lies would have been exposed.
Imagine somebody here (Senatordave1) claiming Itsekiris are more than Isokos.

When I was in Uniben, there was only 1 Itsekiri girl in my department while Isokos were dragging numbers with Ishans & Afemais.

People just claim Itsekiris & Ijaws have numbers in Delta state, but you don't see them anywhere.

Nowenuse:
Isokos are not as small as you think they are.
If you add Urhobos & Isokos together, Isokos make up to 30% of the population, if not more.

People look down on Isoko numbers cos they have only 2 LGAs and migrate from their land like nonsense.
Isokos outnumber Itsekiris by far and can measure up to the Ijaws in Delta state if not outnumber them.

I knew Isokos were so many looking back when I was in schools. In my secondary sch in Warri, for every 10 Urhobos you find, you find like 6 Isokos. Infact in my department and faculty in Uniben, Isokos equalled Urhobos in numbers. Living in Warri, Isokos can give Urhobos from outside Warri area (i e Ughellis, Okpes & Ethiopes) a good run for their money in numbers.

It's unfortunate that Isokos got only 2 LGAs. If we had ethnic census in Nigeria, so many lies would have been exposed.
Imagine somebody here (Senatordave1) claiming Itsekiris are more than Isokos.

When I was in Uniben, there was only 1 Itsekiri girl in my department while Isokos were dragging numbers with Ishans & Afemais.

People just claim Itsekiris & Ijaws have numbers in Delta state, but you don't see them anywhere.

YIMU

Eastlink:
Ijaws fourth largest, lol! Abeg, who count am.
The Urhobos are even more than the Ijaws in numbers. Bayelsa states has open Ijaw nyash of so-called numbers. How can a group of coast people have population more than those with lands.
In my opinion the 4th, 5th and 6th largest ethnic groups are thus:
4th - Kanuri
5th - Efik/Ibibio
6th - Tiv
7th - Urhobo
8th - Ijaw
9th - Igala
10th - Gwari

Urhobos cannot outnumber Ijaws & Gbagyis.
However they can tie with Igalas, Idomas, Nupes & Benins.

Chamukebenson:
I have been following this thread .

When I served in kaduna state, I was so in love with deltans , they were so cooperative towards each other , even with different ethnic groups in delta , u wouldn’t notice if u ain’t told , They drank together and mingled like they knew before coming to camp but they all met in camp , everyone admired them and envied their pidgin.

So this not making sense to me

Hahahaha,. This is because they are outside their state.

Anyway, Deltans are actually very lovable and fun people to be with. Down to earth. They are not proud people.
Tribalism is not even a big issue among them in everyday life, except when it comes to politics.

darfay:
It's actually true, some of their communities with the usual Umi this umu that are Isoko speaking.
I personally believe that urhobo and isoko were edoid groups who migrated into very sparsely populated igboid lands amongst also the virgin lands which they settled.
Anibeze in bayelsa state for example is an Isoko settlement without any modern trace of igboid population but the name of the community means nothing in isoko language but is self explanatory in igboid languages.
This is just my personal opinion tho and shouldn't be taken as facts tho

Lol you Urhobos & Isokos are mini Tivs and mini fulanis when it comes to breeding and dominating places.
Isokos are outbreeding Ndokwa people in that Ndokwa east seriously. Ndokwa east is very big and sparsely populated Sha. So much virgin land.