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Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 1:38pm On May 22, 2020 |
masterP042: You obviously don't know what a scientific theory is nor do you understand what the Big Bang is. Look these things up and upgrade your knowledge. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 1:43pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:That makes atheism a narrow philosophy without depth. (Though it's lot better than being a slave of devilish gods like Allah and Yahweh.) |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 1:44pm On May 22, 2020 |
masterP042: I like your open stance, it's good to say the least. Science is helping to shape the way we understand the physical universe, but take note science doesn't prove the ABSENCE of SOMETHING but only proves what is present. That is why with science we say NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. literally the slogan doesn't mean nothing is impossible but actually means if we can think it, and solve the maths problems behind it, we surely can achieve it. Sir Isaac Newton proved the existence of gravity (gravity always existed but Newton formally discovered it's existence and wrote about it), Albert Einstein proved that gravity alters space and time (gravity always did, but he proved it and from him we all understood it) and the list goes on and on. Science itself admits it has its limitations. Somethings will have to be assumed rather than experimented on and for that reason God easily cannot be overuled but I'll stop here. If you want to find out more quote me |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 1:45pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Nor does it claim to be a philosophy so another strawman. It is like asking someone do you eat bread and he replies no then you say that's a narrow philosophy. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 1:49pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:You've never heard of the philosophy of atheism? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 2:44pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: No. Can you show me where you saw it? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 2:46pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:There's philosophy of science, philosophy of religion, philosophy of sports, philosophy of atheism, philosophy of theism |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Deicide: 2:53pm On May 22, 2020 |
Perfectbeing:But God is |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by frank317: 3:03pm On May 22, 2020 |
Hahjascho: Ur first and second bolded are contradictory. U said only God has the power to change people then u turn around and say it depends on the person's maintained stance.. So u are saying God cannot change anyone if they decide not to change their stance? What exactly can ur God do without the human mind? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 3:07pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Give me a source where you saw philosophy of atheism. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 3:14pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:Lols. Guess you need to check the meaning of "philosophy" again. If you check "philosophy" on Wikipedia under the section on "Philosophy of religion" and subsection Existence of God, you will read about different philosophies on that subject matter, including theism, atheism, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
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Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 3:25pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: You said there is a philosophy of atheism, just show me a source clearly marked philosophy of atheism. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 3:34pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:Philosophy: "a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour." The definition of "philosophy" from the Oxford Dictionary. How is atheism not a kind of philosophy? Should this even be up for a debate? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 3:37pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Philosophy of mathematics, philosophy of science, these are real things. Philosophy of atheism was made up by you. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 3:41pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:Lols. You obviously don't understand what you're saying. How will philosophy apply to virtually every field, movement and religion on earth, including sports and arts and exclude atheism? Does that make sense to you? Maybe I was the one that put the definition of the term in Oxford dictionary as well. or I wrote the dictionary. How is atheism not a kind of philosophy when several other fields, religions, and movements are? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 3:43pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_mathematics Very simple find me philosophy of atheism or you just dreamed it up. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 3:46pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:This is philosophy as defined by Oxford dictionary: "a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour." How is atheism not a kind of philosophy? Maybe you're mixing up "philosophy" as a term with "religion" because this issue isn't even debatable. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 3:48pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: When asked to provide a source and you can't then indeed there is no debate, you made it up. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 3:58pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:You're merely arguing for the mere sake of it. I don't have time for this kind of discussion. This is a simple matter that requires no argument whatsoever but you must defend your atheistic dogma. No sense in being dogmatic. "There are also several philosophical positions with regard to the existence of God that one might take including various forms of theism (such as monotheism and polytheism), agnosticism and different forms of atheism." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_religion If that doesn't show you the philosophy of atheism, then that means you don't understand what atheism is all about in the first place. Philosophy: "a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding principle for behaviour." That definition clearly defines the atheistic philosophy. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 4:09pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: You made it up, just admit it. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 4:10pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:Yea, I am the author of the Wikipedia articles and Oxford dictionary. Happy now? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 4:16pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Atheistic_philosophies I made that up as well. And this too: The Epistemology of Atheism, https://www.iep.utm.edu/atheism/#H2 Epistemology is a core aspect of philosophy. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 4:17pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Your sarcasm is irrelevant, you made it up and we both know it. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 4:20pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: Are those written as philosophy of atheism? You should pay attention to what you read. Also did you see that there are different atheistic philosophies? That there is no one philosophy of atheism? You should read to understand not just regurgitate for argument sake. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by ThinkFreely: 4:29pm On May 22, 2020 |
Still the same stories without evidence |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 4:31pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed:So, you know now there are different philosophies of atheism and you're still arguing. You don't even understand what atheism is all about. So, if I say the philosophy of sports, it means I don't know that sports are diverse and there are different philosophies of sports. Even in football, which is just one sport, coaches adopt different philosophies to train their players and set up their formation (while some are attack-minded, others are defensive, and others try to strike a balance between the two). I also mentioned philosophy of religion, does that also apply to a single religion when each religion has different philosophies? Under philosophy of science, some people study philosophy of chemistry, philosophy of mathematics, etc. You're merely arguing about a clear issue that needs no debate to defend your atheistic dogma. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 4:34pm On May 22, 2020 |
ThinkFreely: Going by your theory your belief in evolution will not hold. Scientists believe the universe came about by the BIG BANG THEORY. When asked how those energy that created the universe where formed before the Big Bang, science doesn't have any conclusive answers. It simply believes those elements SOMEHOW where there leading to the Big Bang. PS: both Big Bang and evolution are both called THEORIES and not FACTS because it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Still an element of FAITH is required to believe it happened that way! Now to God existence without creation. I once had a discussion with a friend who wanted to know God's origin. He owns a pet dog. I asked him if his dog was intelligent, he said yes! I asked him if his dog could obey simple and some complex commands, he said yes! I asked him, if his son and his dog were trained from infancy in the same things, like they were both going to school who would come out tops? Who would graduate to become a lawyer, doctor, engineer etc? He said his son! I asked him why, he said because his son has higher reasoning capacity than a dog! And he was right! Truth is no matter how smart an animal is, explaining complex things that humans can easily understand will be difficult for an animal to grasp. An animal can never grasp how to build an airplane or a computer program no matter how intelligent it is or how hard you try to explain it. Of cause they are intelligent in their own way but all animals have a limit to their intelligence even man! To God we are like that dog or any other animal. Even if he tried to explain his origin we will never fully understand it, because human knowledge is limited by what he or she can experience( it is limited to the physical universe of which we still don't fully understand). God is a higher being that transcends both the physical and spiritual universe, God doesn't need to explain in details His origin, instead He says in the Bible "He has no beginning and ending". |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by onlyfacts: 4:37pm On May 22, 2020 |
LordReed: Argue for KNOWLEDGE SAKE and not for ARGUMENT SAKE. no one knows everything, we learn from each other |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by butterfly777(m): 4:52pm On May 22, 2020 |
kingxsamz: The creator is beyond human understanding. For instance, science has shown that there are some colours some animals like eagles, cats, can see, but the human eyes can not interpret those colors. Can we now deny the existence of such colors just because our eyes cannot see them? God's attribute and human understanding is similar to that. As far as the heavens us above the earth, so is God's superiority to man. God is I Am that I Am. He is self existing. He is timeless and ageless. Our human brain , with the way we understand time, and cause and effect finds it to comprehend this. But we see His works, which we cannot deny. 1 Like |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Askme2020(m): 5:09pm On May 22, 2020 |
Plead:The Term GOD could mean different thing to different people. To me God is everything. Everything is God. To some God is Jesus Christ, to some it is Allah. To some it is Buda etc. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 5:20pm On May 22, 2020 |
gensteejay: It is you who knows nothing of atheism. You constantly formulate strawman arguments and deflections to support whatever imaginary thing you think of. Its a clear question show me a source for PHILOSOPHY OF ATHEISM because that is not how anybody phrases it but because you have created this strawman you need to defeat you coined the term philosophy of atheism. Go read up the atheistic philosophies and stop creating strawman arguments. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 5:22pm On May 22, 2020 |
onlyfacts: I don;t argue for argument sake which is why terms need to be clear. When I asked him for a source for PHILOSOPHY OF ATHEISM it was a sign to show I need clarification. I don't ask questions of what I know. |
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