onlyfacts:


You just spoke like you are still learning in school. It is not a fact, and I have opened your eyes to it. Facts that cant be proven, is that facts

All you type is unverifiable gibberish.

Evolution is fact and it actually works

onlyfacts:


You just spoke like you are still learning in school. It is not a fact, and I have opened your eyes to it. Facts that cant be proven, is that facts

i know your likes, you have poor scientific background. It’s no point engaging you.

You are scientifically illiterate.

IMO, evolution isn't a phenomenon a learned person should doubt at this day and age. But while evolution is an established phenomenon in nature, it doesn't mean humans, animal, planets, galaxies, etc. have no source or origin.

gensteejay:

Your opinion. Ok

Its clear you don't or else you won't claim atheism has no answers. There is no such claim being made by atheists that atheism answers the questions of life but because you have formed this strawman that feels really sweet to pummel you'll forgo understanding it.

LordReed:


Its clear you don't or else you won't claim atheism has no answers. There is no such claim being made by atheists that atheism answers the questions of life but because you have formed this strawman that feels really sweet to pummel you'll forgo understanding it.

There are different atheistic positions about god or God.

As an atheist, do you feel an entity like Ogun or Allah never existed at all on this planet or they existed but not as a god or a deity?

ThinkFreely:
i know your likes, you have poor scientific background. It’s no point engaging you.

You are scientifically illiterate.

If you insist. It was nice sharing my knowledge of science with you.

ThinkFreely:
All you type is unverifiable gibberish.

Evolution is fact and it actually works

Where does evolution work? I'm curious

frank317:


Ur first and second bolded are contradictory.

U said only God has the power to change people then u turn around and say it depends on the person's maintained stance..

So u are saying God cannot change anyone if they decide not to change their stance?

What exactly can ur God do without the human mind?

You can read it over again...

What I meant there was that, the existence of God won't ever make sense to you let alone of believing in Him, for as long as you hold on to old believe and convictions....


However, for many who are still hard-hearted and not ready to change, no matter the number of preachings they get (and even if they're ready to change).... it's God that does the total transformation.... through His spirit...then His existence starts becoming meaniful to you even when alone..

There's also some thing called grace, if it's God interest for you to be saved then, you've got no where to run....

' could have shared more views through scriptures...but it seems you people prefer free level.

gensteejay:

There are different atheistic positions about god or God.

As an atheist, do you feel an entity like Ogun or Allah never existed at all on this planet or they existed but not as a god or a deity?

As an agnostic atheist I do not claim to know if a god or gods exist or have existed, I have no belief in such a proposition because I have not seen its reality convincingly demonstrated. Could a god or gods exist or have existed? I don't discount the possibility but as I said such a proposition has not been convincingly demonstrated.

Text me @ +2347053450467 on WhatsApp to be added to my "Atheism vs. Religions WhatsApp group chat".

No argument or amount of theories is really enough to transform an un-believer... deep, self revelation is important.

Even Devil acknowledges God's existence..

I doubt if you guys believe in life after death...

Reconciliation is only possible while the breathe of life is there....no one has the power over his spirit after death, as the spirit doesn't argue with the Creator.

Everyone has gone beyond this mehn, level up.

Reality11:


Am not an evolutionist or a scientist. Am an atheist.



So God has an origin?
He or she or it told you?
Ok where is it? From nowhere abi?

And an all powerful God can't explain it the way humans would grasp Lol

What if I told you that scientist won't tell you how the universe originated because you won't understand it. Do you think it's an answer?

Do you believe a life exist after death?

LordReed:


As an agnostic atheist I do not claim to know if a god or gods exist or have existed, I have no belief in such a proposition because I have not seen its reality convincingly demonstrated. Could a god or gods exist or have existed? I don't discount the possibility but as I said such a proposition has not been convincingly demonstrated.

Perhaps you need to read wider. Read books on the history of humanity.

gensteejay:

Perhaps you need to read wider. Read books on the history of humanity.

Recommend some.

Hahjascho:
Do you believe a life exist after death?

No

LordReed:


Recommend some.

I already told you on the other threads.

1. The PDF version of the book of the history of universe OtemAtum is compiling. IMO, it is the most complete historical text available on homo sapiens, homo erectus, and other extinct human or human-like races.
2. "A Brief History of Humankind: Sapiens" by Yuvval Noah Harari available online

You could start with those 2. I feel everyone should read these books to stay informed about happenings on this planet. If one doesn't know history, one can easily be fooled.

Reality11:


No

Hmn.... this is deep..

But are you ready to believe or have a change of perception?

Hahjascho:
No argument or amount of theories is really enough to transform an un-believer... deep, self revelation is important.

Yeah since there is no proof or evidence why believe? Just because it was written in some book? Or the idea was pass down to you by some primitive folks?

Even Devil acknowledges God's existence..

No proof that God or devil exist

I doubt if you guys believe in life after death...

Any proof for life after death?
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Reconciliation is only possible while the breathe of life is there....no one has the power over his spirit after death, as the spirit doesn't argue with the Creator.

Everyone has gone beyond this mehn, level up.

Hahjascho:
Hmn.... this is deep..

But are you ready to believe or have a change of perception?

I don't believe things without proof or evidence

gensteejay:

I already told you on the other threads.

1. The PDF version of the book of the history of universe OtemAtum is compiling. IMO, it is the most complete historical text available on homo sapiens, homo erectus, and other extinct human or human-like races.
2. "A Brief History of Humankind: Sapiens" by Yuvval Noah Harari available online

You could start with those 2. I feel everyone should read these books to stay informed about happenings on this planet. If one doesn't know history, one can easily be fooled.

It doesn't appear that Yuvval Noah Harari supports the existence of gods in his book.

Excerpt:

Most likely, both the gossip theory and the there-is-a-lion-near-the-river theory are valid. Yet the truly unique feature of our language is not its ability to transmit information about men and lions. Rather, it’s the ability to transmit information about things that do not exist at all. As far as we know, only Sapiens can talk about entire kinds of entities that they have never seen, touched or smelled.

Legends, myths, gods and religions appeared for the first time with the Cognitive Revolution. Many animals and human species could previously say, ‘Careful! A lion!’ Thanks to the Cognitive Revolution, Homo sapiens acquired the ability to say, ‘The lion is the guardian spirit of our tribe.’ This ability to speak about fictions is the most unique feature of Sapiens language.

Reality11:


Yeah since there is no proof or evidence why believe? Just because it was written in some book? Or the idea was pass down to you by some primitive folks?


No proof that God or devil exist

Any proof for life after death?


Reconciliation is only possible while the breathe of life is there....no one has the power over his spirit after death, as the spirit doesn't argue with the Creator.

Everyone has gone beyond this mehn, level up.

That's the deal, you keep looking for the truths where they don't exist..... which I bet you won't find to satisfy your self curiosity in order to justify your convictions.

The truths is found in God which can never be revealed or become meaniful except you submit or believe in Him..

IT'S LIKE ME TELLING YOU THAT HONEY IS SWEET, BUT YOU KEEP DEMANDING BASIC PROOFS TO SHOW IF IT'S SWEET OR NOT.

HOWEVER, I BELIEVE IT'S SWEET BECAUSE HAVE TASTED IT TO BE SWEET... using my mouth...but as long as I refuse to do practical, mouth testing, it remains a gainsaying.

gensteejay:

I already told you on the other threads.

1. The PDF version of the book of the history of universe OtemAtum is compiling. IMO, it is the most complete historical text available on homo sapiens, homo erectus, and other extinct human or human-like races.
2. "A Brief History of Humankind: Sapiens" by Yuvval Noah Harari available online

You could start with those 2. I feel everyone should read these books to stay informed about happenings on this planet. If one doesn't know history, one can easily be fooled.

Another paragraph:

Yet none of these things exists outside the stories that people invent and tell one another. There are no gods in the universe, no nations, no money, no human rights, no laws, and no justice outside the common imagination of human beings.

LordReed:


It doesn't appear that[b] Yuvval Noah Harari supports the existence of gods in his book.[/b]

Excerpt:

Most likely, both the gossip theory and the there-is-a-lion-near-the-river theory are valid. Yet the truly unique feature of our language is not its ability to transmit information about men and lions. Rather, it’s the ability to transmit information about things that do not exist at all. As far as we know, only Sapiens can talk about entire kinds of entities that they have never seen, touched or smelled.

Legends, myths, gods and religions appeared for the first time with the Cognitive Revolution. Many animals and human species could previously say, ‘Careful! A lion!’ Thanks to the Cognitive Revolution, Homo sapiens acquired the ability to say, ‘The lion is the guardian spirit of our tribe.’ This ability to speak about fictions is the most unique feature of Sapiens language.

Yea, but in one of his other books titled "Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow", he says: "With regard to other animals, humans have long since become gods."

Can you see the perspective (from animal POV)?

In another place in the book, speaking about the next human species when homo sapiens face extinction, he explains that "now humankind is poised to replace natural selection with intelligent design and to extend life from the organic realm into the inorganic".

I recommended Otem's book for you first to learn about the origin of gods and goddesses of religion. Most people know very little about this subject; they only know the half-truths about those entities in the Bible and Qur'an.

Before one's knowledge can have any depth on this issue, one needs to learn about the god-race (comprising all gods and goddesses in religions), and the races of Nephilim, Nephilia, Anakim, homo Erectus, and how that led to us, homo Sapiens. And Otem's book is the most complete literature on that subject.

Most aren't aware of the activities of the entities that first colonized this planet millions of years ago, being our ancestors (early beings). They designed our forefathers using techniques, such as in-vitro fertilization and other advanced methods that involve transferring of the soul into a new vessel, body (if you can pinpoint the exact location of the soul in the body, you can transfer it to a new body).

DIfferent books, including Otem's, say those gods and goddesses mastered the technology to transfer a soul, among several other advanced scientific techniques to do other things that homo sapiens would see supernatural due to our current level of science and technology.

But just like our forefathers (who were creatures of these higher beings) saw those entities as gods and goddesses due to their superior (scientific/spiritual) powers, lower animals on this planet also regard humans as gods or at least a superior race.

According to prof Noah, future man will be intelligently designed using in vitro-fertilization and other techniques. Hope you know some scientists are already working on designing a new body for humans.

From the literature I read, the way I see all this is, the feats (such as creating man, planting gravity in the Earth's core when the gravity the entities first met here was extremely low to sustain life, etc.) the gods and goddesses did to colonize planet Earth when they first landed here, today's scientists will also need to do similar things when space travel and colonization get to an advanced stage.

If you check Otem's book, he explained how Allah, Jehovah, Atum, and co. designed our forefathers and scaled-down their body, lifespan, intellect, and abilities in comparison with theirs (creators'), which was obviously done to maintain their rule over this planet.

Well, some atheists might disagree with this, some entities and people rule this planet. That's a fact.

If you know history well, you can't fail to see that both intelligent design and evolution are responsible for life as we know it on this planet.

In almost all cultures in the world, there are legends about giants that existed long before us; I'm sure many of us have been told such stories from childhood. While there are some exaggerations about such stories, one indisputable fact is that before homo sapiens, this planet has hosted several other (larger) human and human-like species.

The pictures below are from the book, "The Code to the Matrix" by James Sevan Boemer.

As for me, i can't say God doesn't exist because i can't prove it neither can i say he/she exists because i can't prove it either but for those who are saying that God exists and those who are saying God doesn't exist, please bring your hard evidence to prove your points.
Moreover, why are we fixated on the Judeo-Christian deity, why not the Buddhist or Taoist or other religions that exist around the world?

Hahjascho:
You can read it over again...

What I meant there was that, the existence of God won't ever make sense to you let alone of believing in Him, for as long as you hold on to old believe and convictions....


However, for many who are still hard-hearted and not ready to change, no matter the number of preachings they get (and even if they're ready to change).... it's God that does the total transformation.... through His spirit...then His existence starts becoming meaniful to you even when alone..

There's also some thing called grace, if it's God interest for you to be saved then, you've got no where to run....

' could have shared more views through scriptures...but it seems you people prefer free level.

I really want to know how you can demonstrate the existence of God.

So what's your gain?

kingxsamz:

First of all, I'm not an atheist.
And also, not all atheists believe in the big bang theory.
Atheism doesn't have answers to all questions, neither does any religion.
Atheism is just a lack of belief of any god, due to lack of evidence from those who make such claims.
Truth is, no one really knows.
Not scientists, not atheists, not Christians or Muslims. And no one can ever know.
Anyone who claims he knows how the universe was created, who or what created the universe, is delusional.

onlyfacts:


Where does evolution work? I'm curious

1. Making of new vaccines.
2. Making of Antibiotics/Antibiotic resistance.
3. Epidemiology of new diseases
4. Evolution is also the reason why you cannot look exactly like you siblings even as you are from same parents, there has to be a variation to allow a diverse gene pool and adaptation of our specie to a constantly changing environment.
5. Biological engineering

Please before you argue (because I know that’s what you wanna do), take your time and study how these above mentioned stuffs cannot work without the knowledge of evolution else I won’t reply you if you make any crude statement.

Judybash93:
As for me, i can't say God doesn't exist because i can't prove it neither can i say he/she exists because i can't prove it either but for those who are saying that God exists and those who are saying God doesn't exist, please bring your hard evidence to prove your points.
Moreover, why are we fixated on the Judeo-Christian deity, why not the Buddhist or Taoist or other religions that exist around the world?

You cant prove something doesn’t exist, it doesn’t work that way, it’s a fallacy. That’s the Russel’s teapot fallacy, we can claim that there’s a teapot somewhere between earth and mars, who’s gonna prove that?

The burden of proof is on those who think it exist.

As far as we know, every evidence we have seen in science is totally contrary to what religion is saying; creation, geocentrism, anthropocentrism, great flood of Noah etc, all these have been proven to be wrong. It begs to doubt every other thing they have to say about their god.

gensteejay:

Yea, but in one of his other books titled "Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow", he says: "With regard to other animals, humans have long since become gods."

If you were going to reference a different book why did you recommend Sapiens?

Can you see the perspective (from animal POV)?

In another place in the book, speaking about the next human species when homo sapiens face extinction, he explains that "now humankind is poised to replace natural selection with intelligent design and to extend life from the organic realm into the inorganic".

So how does this indicate that gods exist?

I recommended Otem's book for you first to learn about the origin of gods and goddesses of religion. Most people know very little about this subject; they only know the half-truths about those entities in the Bible and Qur'an.

Put a link to Otem's book.

Before one's knowledge can have any depth on this issue, one needs to learn about the god-race (comprising all gods and goddesses in religions), and the races of Nephilim, Nephilia, Anakim, homo Erectus, and how that led to us, homo Sapiens. And Otem's book is the most complete literature on that subject.

Most aren't aware of the activities of the entities that first colonized this planet millions of years ago, being our ancestors (early beings). They designed our forefathers using techniques, such as in-vitro fertilization and other advanced methods that involve transferring of the soul into a new vessel, body (if you can pinpoint the exact location of the soul in the body, you can transfer it to a new body).

DIfferent books, including Otem's, say those gods and goddesses mastered the technology to transfer a soul, among several other advanced scientific techniques to do other things that homo sapiens would see supernatural due to our current level of science and technology.

But just like our forefathers (who were creatures of these higher beings) saw those entities as gods and goddesses due to their superior (scientific/spiritual) powers, lower animals on this planet also regard humans as gods or at least a superior race.

According to prof Noah, future man will be intelligently designed using in vitro-fertilization and other techniques. Hope you know some scientists are already working on designing a new body for humans.

From the literature I read, the way I see all this is, the feats (such as creating man, planting gravity in the Earth's core when the gravity the entities first met here was extremely low to sustain life, etc.) the gods and goddesses did to colonize planet Earth when they first landed here, today's scientists will also need to do similar things when space travel and colonization get to an advanced stage.

If you check Otem's book, he explained how Allah, Jehovah, Atum, and co. designed our forefathers and scaled-down their body, lifespan, intellect, and abilities in comparison with theirs (creators'), which was obviously done to maintain their rule over this planet.

Well, some atheists might disagree with this, some entities and people rule this planet. That's a fact.

If you know history well, you can't fail to see that both intelligent design and evolution are responsible for life as we know it on this planet.

In almost all cultures in the world, there are legends about giants that existed long before us; I'm sure many of us have been told such stories from childhood. While there are some exaggerations about such stories, one indisputable fact is that before homo sapiens, this planet has hosted several other (larger) human and human-like species.

The pictures below are from the book, "The Code to the Matrix" by James Sevan Boemer.

So basically you want us to replace bible and quran stories with stories told by others, how exactly did you determine these people have the right information?

ThinkFreely:

1. Making of new vaccines.
2. Making of Antibiotics/Antibiotic resistance.
3. Epidemiology of new diseases
4. Evolution is also the reason why you cannot look exactly like you siblings even as you are from same parents, there has to be a variation to allow a diverse gene pool and adaptation of our specie to a constantly changing environment.
5. Biological engineering

Please before you argue (because I know that’s what you wanna do), take your time and study how these above mentioned stuffs cannot work without the knowledge of evolution else I won’t reply you if you make any crude statement.

1. Making new vaccines has a lot to do with immunology (which doesn't support evolution)and a host of other disciplined but they must all understand immulogy unless their vaccines won't work and not evolution.
2. Antibiotics development is beyond the scope of evolution. It's has a lot to do with pharmaceutics, pharmaceutical chemistry, pharmaceutical microbiology, clinical pharmacy, pharmacognosy, pharmacology, toxicology and a few other ones .
3. Epidemiology doesn't support evolution, epidemiology deals with the spread and control of diseases, viruses, concepts etc. throughout populations or systems. If evolutionist want to infer one or two things from it then let's go into it.
4. Evolution is not the reason will see variations in phenotypes, species keep reproducing according to their kinds based on their genes. Macro and microevolution try to explain this but it has still fallen short. Take the human race since the last 6000 years, no phenotype changes have occurred. By now we should have all mutated to mutants like in X-MEN cause that's where evolution seems to be pointing us to. And it's this belief in evolution that is the driving force of racism, which makes the white call us monkeys cause they believe we are closer to the apes due to our skin colour and they are not.
5. Biological engineering, an aspect of this field seeks to establish the theory of evolution but bioengineering have broader aspects and applications than evolution.

I don't argue. These are facts I know.

Hahjascho:
That's the deal, you keep looking for the truths where they don't exist..... which I bet you won't find to satisfy your self curiosity in order to justify your convictions.

Glad you said that they don't exist.
So you are telling me you believed those things without evidence? Then what stopped you from believing that it is the Flying spaghetti sauce that creates the universe and that it needs you to eat uncooked spaghetti every Monday?

The truths is found in God Flying spaghetti sauce which can never be revealed or become meaniful except you submit or believe in Him..


IT'S LIKE ME TELLING YOU THAT HONEY IS SWEET, BUT YOU KEEP DEMANDING BASIC PROOFS TO SHOW IF IT'S SWEET OR NOT.

You tested with your tongue why not me?

HOWEVER, I BELIEVE IT'S SWEET BECAUSE HAVE TASTED IT TO BE SWEET... using my mouth...but as long as I refuse to do practical, mouth testing, it remains a gainsaying.

Lol because you tested it? How would I know you aren't lying?

Is that what you based your beliefs on, that others have tested and confirmed it for you? Chai

Do you believe in both Allah, Yahweh, Krishna, Brahman, Shiva, Odin, flying spaghetti sauce, Sango...? Or do you believe aliens create the universe, bigbang or that the world has ever existed?

People have tested these and have believed them.

Since you expect me to believe it without any proof, evidence or confirmation, why aren't you believing in the aforementioned?

LordReed:

Put a link to Otem's book.

https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

Several parts of the thread have been hidden by mods, and the PDF version is the reasonable one to get.

LordReed:

So basically you want us to replace bible and quran stories with stories told by others, how exactly did you determine these people have the right information?

I never said so. There are other books of history online, and you can choose to replace the Bible and Qur'an with any one of them if you feel you need to do that. Why must be it that particular (Otem's) book?

The stories about the characters in the Bible and Qur'an are quite incomplete. Nothing said about the origin of the gods, like Yahweh and Allah, and the origin of God Almighty, in addition to the origin of other gods and goddesses, which Yahweh and Allah treated as demons/devils (smaller gods, idols) that never existed.

Those 2 books have too many half-truths and lies than real historical facts. And that's one of the issues with Abrahamic religions that led some people to become atheists.

The 2 holy books are simply too incomplete and many key parts in them have been hidden and deleted. Hope you know the Bible and Qur'an have undergone different revisions in their history with some chapters removed from them.

Why were they removed? Will people still be religious if they knew Adam wasn't the first man on earth?

Will they be religious if they knew the Earth is billions of years old and has hosted several human species or human-like entities that have become extinct?

If people knew that the Earth is just one of the billions of worlds out there, will they take Jehovah seriously?

Will people still be religious if they knew Allah and Yahweh had several contemporaries (mates) from other parts of the world, such as Olohun, Eshu, Atum, Ra, Odin, Zeus, and thousands of others?

Will people still be religious if they knew Yeshua learnt a lot of things from Africa, ancient Egypt and other parts of Africa?

If Jesus could learn from Africa, it shows Christianity is a scam, and our forefathers were more advanced than the whites make us to believe. Then, we have no need of their religion or even their science.

We would have developed our own science and wouldn't consider the whites as superior as most people do now.

For anyone to really become knowledgeable on this subject, he needs to read that literature by Otem to get the fuller stories.

If you read his own version of all these gods, goddesses and God, you'll learn about many things from those 2 books which make the stories in them unrealistic.

For instance, according to the Bible, Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights to access some parts of reality, which a common man will feel don't exist (the spiritual realm) and learn some secrets of the universe to rule the earth.

When you consider the fact that Jesus was a nephilim (a giant man), the story will look realistic.

But biologically, a modern man can't fast for that long without eating, since he has been significantly scaled down in body size and every other abilities.

By the time you get the fuller story, it becomes believable.

If you read the recommended books, you'll learn how to find the etymology of a name.

You can learn a lot from those pieces of literature (and a reasonable person won't believe everything he reads in any book hook, line, and sinker).

It's not a coincidence that in every culture around the world, the deities in that place have their names embedded in the names of people in that culture.

Each culture has its own deities. If you're an Ibo, you'll find names such as okeCHUKWU, CHINyere, and several others, or in Yorubaland OLOHUNseun, SANGObiyi, or in foreign cultures, michaEL, israEL, uriEL, etc.

In Arabia/Middle East that worship Allah, we've names like AL-Hakim, AbdulLAH, and many others.

For cultures that worship god Baal, you'll also find their names starting or ending with "baal".

All these names are passed down from their forefathers that had contact with or were created by those deities.

Most likely, the etimology of your own native name could even contain the name of a deity.

You don't honestly think some people just woke up one morning in all cultures in the world and started imagining the names of different deities.

Some places around the world are even named after some of these deities because the deities first discovered or first set foot in the place, or ruled it sometime in the past.

Many places around the world (even some continents) are named after real people and entities.

I have recommended Otem's book and some others so that people can know of the past.

A people that don't know their history can easily be enslaved.

Personally, I have both the Bible and Qur'an in my library; there are some historical facts in them. While reading Otem's book and other historical literature, I check those religious books for reference purpose.