kingxsamz:
Only a bigger FOOl will accept that nothing can exist without a creator but turn around to say that the creator cannot be created.
If you believe the world was created by a God and you choose to believe that that god was never created, then you're a compound fool.

I wonder who really is the compound fool because infinite regression of Cause and Effect (in creation) is NOT possible!

masterP042:
Something as complex as the universe couldn't exist from nothing, but something more complex than the universe, something that created the complex universe came from nothing, abi? Christians check the logic.
If you guys can't answer who created God, you shouldn't ask about the origin of things.

Do you think that an infinite regression of Cause and Effect (in creation) is possible?

LordReed:


What is the chance that anyone person wins a lottery jackpot? Astronomical, yet it happens. Low odds do not mean impossible.

It does happen that a person can win A high stake jackpot but when this same person wins several multiples of extreme high odds jackpot game, we begin to suspect that an intelligent hacker has a hand it such results.

kingxsamz:


Yes.
The flying spaghetti monster created the universe.
Not God.
Prove to me that God created the universe not the FSM and I'll believe your claim.

Very weak argument

shadeyinka:

It does happen that a person can win A high stake jackpot but when this same person wins several multiples of extreme high odds jackpot game, we begin to suspect that an intelligent hacker has a hand it such results.

Who told you hacking is the only way to win a lottery multiple times?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lustig

gensteejay:


https://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos

Several parts of the thread have been hidden by mods, and the PDF version is the reasonable one to get.


I never said so. There are other books of history online, and you can choose to replace the Bible and Qur'an with any one of them if you feel you need to do that. Why must be it that particular (Otem's) book?

The stories about the characters in the Bible and Qur'an are quite incomplete. Nothing said about the origin of the gods, like Yahweh and Allah, and the origin of God Almighty, in addition to the origin of other gods and goddesses, which Yahweh and Allah treated as demons/devils (smaller gods, idols) that never existed.

Those 2 books have too many half-truths and lies than real historical facts. And that's one of the issues with Abrahamic religions that led some people to become atheists.

The 2 holy books are simply too incomplete and many key parts in them have been hidden and deleted. Hope you know the Bible and Qur'an have undergone different revisions in their history with some chapters removed from them.

Why were they removed? Will people still be religious if they knew Adam wasn't the first man on earth?

Will they be religious if they knew the Earth is billions of years old and has hosted several human species or human-like entities that have become extinct?

If people knew that the Earth is just one of the billions of worlds out there, will they take Jehovah seriously?

Will people still be religious if they knew Allah and Yahweh had several contemporaries (mates) from other parts of the world, such as Olohun, Eshu, Atum, Ra, Odin, Zeus, and thousands of others?

Will people still be religious if they knew Yeshua learnt a lot of things from Africa, ancient Egypt and other parts of Africa?

If Jesus could learn from Africa, it shows Christianity is a scam, and our forefathers were more advanced than the whites make us to believe. Then, we have no need of their religion or even their science.

We would have developed our own science and wouldn't consider the whites as superior as most people do now.

For anyone to really become knowledgeable on this subject, he needs to read that literature by Otem to get the fuller stories.

If you read his own version of all these gods, goddesses and God, you'll learn about many things from those 2 books which make the stories in them unrealistic.

For instance, according to the Bible, Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights to access some parts of reality, which a common man will feel don't exist (the spiritual realm) and learn some secrets of the universe to rule the earth.

When you consider the fact that Jesus was a nephilim (a giant man), the story will look realistic.

But biologically, a modern man can't fast for that long without eating, since he has been significantly scaled down in body size and every other abilities.

By the time you get the fuller story, it becomes believable.

If you read the recommended books, you'll learn how to find the etymology of a name.

You can learn a lot from those pieces of literature (and a reasonable person won't believe everything he reads in any book hook, line, and sinker).

It's not a coincidence that in every culture around the world, the deities in that place have their names embedded in the names of people in that culture.

Each culture has its own deities. If you're an Ibo, you'll find names such okeCHUKWU, CHINyere, and several others, or in Yorubaland OLOHUNseun, SANGObiyi, or in foreign cultures, michaEL, israEL, uriEL, etc.

In Arabia/Middles East that worship Allah, we've names like AL-Hakim, AbdulLAH, and many others.

For cultures that worship god Baal, you'll also find their names starting or ending with "baal".

All these names are passed down from their forefathers that had contact with or were created by those deities.

Most likely, the etimology of your own native name could even contain the name of a deity.

You don't honestly think some people just woke up one morning in all cultures in the world and started imagining the names of different deities.

Some places around the world are even named after some of these deities because the deities first discovered or first set foot in the place, or ruled it sometime in the past.

Many places around the world (even some continents) are named after real people and entities.

I have recommended Otem's book and some others so that people can know of the past.

A people that don't know their history can easily be enslaved.

Personally, I have both the Bible and Qur'an in my library; there are some historical facts in them. While reading Otem's book and other historical literature, I check those religious books for reference purpose.

How do you know Otem's story is true?

shadeyinka:


Do you think that an infinite regression of Cause and Effect (in creation) is possible?

I doubt. Life usually goes from simple to complex. So I propose life started from a simple unicellular cell, a micro atom or something like that. Not from complex to simple.
Nb. I'm not a scientist

LordReed:


Who told you hacking is the only way to win a lottery multiple times?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lustig

The probability of winning in an odds of 1:100 lottery is at best 1%. The probability of winning two straight odds of 1:100 lottery is 0.01%. The odds of three straight odds occuring is 0.0001%.

These are extremely low stake odds compared with the probability of life or the earth existing as it is now. How many odds of probability do you think made up life and the earth's existence?

Your answer mathematically is impossible!

shadeyinka:

I wonder who really is the compound fool because infinite regression of Cause and Effect (in creation) is NOT possible!

So why should you doubt the big bang theory then?

shadeyinka:

The probability of winning in an odds of 1:100 lottery is at best 1%. The probability of winning two straight odds of 1:100 lottery is 0.01%. The odds of three straight odds occuring is 0.0001%.

These are extremely low stake odds compared with the probability of life or the earth existing as it is now. How many odds of probability do you think made up life and the earth's existence?

Your answer mathematically is impossible!

So you went from it requires an intelligent hacker to dismissing it. LoLz

With the number of planets in the universe not only is it possible, it is likely it has happened more than once.

onlyfacts:


1. Making new vaccines has a lot to do with immunology (which doesn't support evolution)and a host of other disciplined but they must all understand immulogy unless their vaccines won't work and not evolution.
2. Antibiotics development is beyond the scope of evolution. It's has a lot to do with pharmaceutics, pharmaceutical chemistry, pharmaceutical microbiology, clinical pharmacy, pharmacognosy, pharmacology, toxicology and a few other ones .
3. Epidemiology doesn't support evolution, epidemiology deals with the spread and control of diseases, viruses, concepts etc. throughout populations or systems. If evolutionist want to infer one or two things from it then let's go into it.
4. Evolution is not the reason will see variations in phenotypes, species keep reproducing according to their kinds based on their genes. Macro and microevolution try to explain this but it has still fallen short. Take the human race since the last 6000 years, no phenotype changes have occurred. By now we should have all mutated to mutants like in X-MEN cause that's where evolution seems to be pointing us to. And it's this belief in evolution that is the driving force of racism, which makes the white call us monkeys cause they believe we are closer to the apes due to our skin colour and they are not.
5. Biological engineering, an aspect of this field seeks to establish the theory of evolution but bioengineering have broader aspects and applications than evolution.

I don't argue. These are facts I know.

lol ok

masterP042:

I doubt. Life usually goes from simple to complex. So I propose life started from a simple unicellular cell, a micro atom or something like that. Not from complex to simple.
Nb. I'm not a scientist

I think you jumped too far into the evolutionary chain. Life started scientifically from NOTHING (not even an electron or atom existed before the sudden expansion of the universe!

If nothing existed, isn't it a tall order for something to come out of nothing?

BTW, I don't think anyone has ever described God as a THING/SOMETHING. He is an intelligence quite alright, a conscious being not made up of matter. His phase of existence is different from the physical one we know of, hence he can't be described as "complex" with respect to the physical world for there is no basis for comparison.

Of course, it isn't difficult to see that a complex intelligence can manufacture imitations of complex artifacts.

Reality11:


Glad you said that they don't exist.
So you are telling me you believed those things without evidence? Then what stopped you from believing that it is the Flying spaghetti sauce that creates the universe and that it needs you to eat uncooked spaghetti every Monday?



You tested with your tongue why not me?


Lol because you tested it? How would I know you aren't lying?

Is that what you based your beliefs on, that others have tested and confirmed it for you? Chai

Do you believe in both Allah, Yahweh, Krishna, Brahman, Shiva, Odin, flying spaghetti sauce, Sango...? Or do you believe aliens create the universe, bigbang or that the world has ever existed?

People have tested these and have believed them.

Since you expect me to believe it without any proof, evidence or confirmation, why aren't you believing in the aforementioned?

To say a few, If you don't get to see reason that God exist, just believe that Devil and dark powers exist, and they have lots of [agents] who can sacrifice anything to manipulate feeble minds through fake truths and stories to counter the supremacy of God.... but now, you don't even believe that Devil exist....

John 8:44 -( talking about the agents which can be of any form..)
Ye are of you fathers the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there's no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he's a liar, and the father of it.

1Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

Talking about God, with some verses in Genesis1

Gen.1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light..... you can research about the rest..

You get, for as long as devil (the deceiver) acknowledges God's existence, he empowers many feeble and vulnerable minds to write many convincing facts to soothe people's minds just in all to rebel against God... the problem now is that... you don't believe that GOD and the deceiver (Devil) exist...


1 Corinthians 2:14 -The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit

Ephesians 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of their ignorance and hardness of heart.

Psalm 92:5-6 How great are your works, O LORD! Your thoughts are very deep! The stupid man cannot know; the fool cannot understand this.

Colossians 1:16–17
For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Isaiah 45:7–9
I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things. “Shower, O heavens, from above, and let the clouds rain down righteousness; let the earth open, that salvation and righteousness may bear fruit; let the earth cause them both to sprout; I the LORD have created it. Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ or ‘Your work has no handles’?

Anyway, when you're ready, do the work yourself... in fact you have nothing to lose, but you will be glad you did.

It's Okay!!!!

I'm sorry if I don't reply further 'mentions' on this topic!

LordReed:


So you went from it requires an intelligent hacker to dismissing it. LoLz

With the number of planets in the universe not only is it possible, it is likely it has happened more than once.

LOL!
It isn't even about the number of planets in the universe BUT the fact that a single planet earth just for no reason than a statistical odds of probability won MULTIPLE interdependent Odds of extreme high stake odds.

When such occurs, that a single individual is winning several high stake odds, will you as an atheist invoke the law of probability (after all, we have almost 7billion people on earth) or an outside influence?

kingxsamz:


So why should you doubt the big bang theory then?

Who told you I doubt the big bang (inflation of the universe from nothing)?
From nothing, God said, "let there be..." And there was..!

But is infinite regression of Cause an effect logically and scientifically possible with respect to creation?

LordReed:


How do you know Otem's story is true?

Edited: I have read the whole book, and since I'm very familiar with the Bible, Qur'an, a number of other books of history, I can compare and contrast.

Skepticism is an essential attribute in this sort of research. Just like it's important to learn history from different sides to know the truth.

In the book, he makes thousands of claims. I feel many of them are true as I can see evidence showing so around, in holy books, other books of history, and the likes.

I can't verify many of his other claims at least not now, so I can't say whether they're true or not.

One of the strongest reasons the literature is not just fabricated is the Seriot language, in which he got the revelations from god Atum, one of the many contemporaries of Jehovah and Allah, worshipped in Egypt before colonialists invaded their land to spread Christianity and Islam.

He says gods and goddesses (Jehovah, Allah, Olohun, Yeshua, and thousands of others) spoke among themselves during their time on earth in Seriot.

He says Yeshua (Jesus) spoke Seriot while on earth, and the original Bible was written in Seriot.

According to him, Seriot is one of the ancient languages that are dead. I feel older languages like ancient Aramaic, ancient Hebrew, and Old Greek have their parentage (roots) in Seriot language.

I have studied the language on his thread, https://www.nairaland.com/4567349/dialect-early-beings-seriot-language

I can confirm it's a real language. Smart people would know ways to tell if a language is real or gibberish.

(One hint to learn any new language: note the letters and the first 100 words used commonly in that language and memorize them.)

I first came across the original thread (of the book compilation shared in my earlier comment) in 2017 and thought it was tripe since I was looking at it from the religious (Islamic) point of view.

But, when I read series of other books and articles written by other authors, in 2018, I discovered religions are a scam, I had an open mind and could take time to read and critique other philosophies.

The expression, "Eloi, eloi, lama sabachthanoi", in different parts of the Bible (Psalm 22:1; Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34) is in Seriot language.

If you check the syntax of that language on the thread, you will agree.

It could take time depending on one's level of smartness.

I consider the book as an essential piece of historical literature that details the origin of tons of gods and goddesses of religions and past human species and homo sapiens.

But it doesn't contain the whole truth and shouldn't be regarded as such (i.e it shouldn't be treated as a religious book), since no single book on earth is infallible and can contain the whole truths of the universe which is unimaginably big.

Apart from that, the Otemic philosophy is a great one, which, he says, is inspired by god Atum. The philosophy is, worship no god, reason out everything with the head, and do good to others.

Also, science is the best tool to understand God Almighty (the totality of existence), which doesn't interfere with our lives and affairs, and not meant to be worshipped but to be discovered continuously as people keep on exploring different things and worlds via science.

Having read the whole book and studied the Seriot language, books and philosophies (approach to life) like Otem's are what Nigeria and Africa need to grow and develop and stop being slaves to the whites and Arabs.

There are different philosophies in the world, including Muhammad's (in Islam), Jesus' (in Christianity), ATR's (in Africa), atheistic, etc.

There are some truths/benefits in all of them, but the philosophies of Abrahamic religions, overall, are domineering and evil.

The book (Otem's) contains the history of tons of philosophies in history. One can learn some things from the good philosophies and be wary of the bad ones that seek to enslave people (such as Christianity and Islam).

The Otemic philosophy, also captured in the history of Otem in the homo Erectus era and the one in the current era (homo Sapiens), is a good philosophy that will benefit humans, being opposite in every way to those of Allah and Jehovah (Jesus).

To wrap up, a smart person tries not to have a fixed philosophy in life, only noting the benefits of different philosophies. Having a fixed philosophy about life's issues could stunt ones growth in life.

shadeyinka:

Who told you I doubt the big bang (inflation of the universe from nothing)?
From nothing, God said, "let there be..." And there was..!

But is infinite regression of Cause an effect logically and scientifically possible with respect to creation?

Same way it's impossible for a supposed God to exist without a cause. He didn't appear from nowhere.
You can't tell me nothing can come from nothing and turn around to say that God has always existed.
You weren't there, I wasn't there. Neither of us knows the answer.
So don't come here telling me there's a god who wants us to worship him, and whoever doesn't would be thrown into an eternal lake of fire, if you can't prove it.

After all said and done,Where exactly do you stand. Existence of God Non Existence of God.

CAPSLOCKED:


THERE ARE MANY BELIEVERS LIKE THAT, AND WE WERE LIKE THAT AT ONE POINT AS WELL.

THEY GIVE UP ON ANYTHING CHURCH AND RELIGION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE WHOLE THING MAKES NO SENSE.
BUT THE BASIS OF THE FOUNDING OF BELIEF SYSTEMS - THAT ASPECT OF MAN THAT THINKS ABOUT LIFE, DEATH, AND THE POSSIBILITIES OF A CREATOR AND AFTERLIFE - IS HARD FOR MANY PEOPLE TO ABANDON.
NEXT, THEY START CLAIMING TO BE SPIRITUAL AND START SAYING STUFF LIKE THEY EXPERIENCE SEVERAL DIMENSIONS WHEN THEY MEDITATE, AND HUMANS ARE GODS, AMONG SEVERAL OTHER NONSENSE THINGS THEY SAY JUST FEEL GOOD.
SUCH PEOPLE HAVE ABANDONED THEIR RELIGION, BUT NOT THEIR DOCTRINES.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN RELIGION AND GOD, BUT BELIEVE THERE'S A HIGHER POWER... THEN YOU'RE NOT YET SURE WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE YOUR BELIEF IN A HIGHER POWER IS AS A RESULT OF THE INITIAL CHILDHOOD INDOCTRINATION YOU EXPERIENCED.

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Going by your theory your belief in evolution will not hold. Scientists believe the universe came about by the BIG BANG THEORY.

When asked how those energy that created the universe where formed before the Big Bang, science doesn't have any conclusive answers. It simply believes those elements SOMEHOW where there leading to the Big Bang. PS: both Big Bang and evolution are both called THEORIES and not FACTS because it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Still an element of FAITH is required to believe it happened that way!

Now to God existence without creation. I once had a discussion with a friend who wanted to know God's origin. He owns a pet dog. I asked him if his dog was intelligent, he said yes! I asked him if his dog could obey simple and some complex commands, he said yes! I asked him, if his son and his dog were trained from infancy in the same things, like they were both going to school who would come out tops? Who would graduate to become a lawyer, doctor, engineer etc? He said his son! I asked him why, he said because his son has higher reasoning capacity than a dog! And he was right!

Truth is no matter how smart an animal is, explaining complex things that humans can easily understand will be difficult for an animal to grasp. An animal can never grasp how to build an airplane or a computer program no matter how intelligent it is or how hard you try to explain it. Of cause they are intelligent in their own way but all animals have a limit to their intelligence even man!
To God we are like that dog or any other animal. Even if he tried to explain his origin we will never fully understand it, because human knowledge is limited by what he or she can experience( it is limited to the physical universe of which we still don't fully understand).

God is a higher being that transcends both the physical and spiritual universe, God doesn't need to explain in details His origin, instead He says in the Bible "He has no beginning and ending".

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YOU ARE SO FULL OF WISDOM .quote author=onlyfacts post=89832954]

Going by your theory your belief in evolution will not hold. Scientists believe the universe came about by the BIG BANG THEORY.

When asked how those energy that created the universe where formed before the Big Bang, science doesn't have any conclusive answers. It simply believes those elements SOMEHOW where there leading to the Big Bang. PS: both Big Bang and evolution are both called THEORIES and not FACTS because it cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt. Still an element of FAITH is required to believe it happened that way!

Now to God existence without creation. I once had a discussion with a friend who wanted to know God's origin. He owns a pet dog. I asked him if his dog was intelligent, he said yes! I asked him if his dog could obey simple and some complex commands, he said yes! I asked him, if his son and his dog were trained from infancy in the same things, like they were both going to school who would come out tops? Who would graduate to become a lawyer, doctor, engineer etc? He said his son! I asked him why, he said because his son has higher reasoning capacity than a dog! And he was right!

Truth is no matter how smart an animal is, explaining complex things that humans can easily understand will be difficult for an animal to grasp. An animal can never grasp how to build an airplane or a computer program no matter how intelligent it is or how hard you try to explain it. Of cause they are intelligent in their own way but all animals have a limit to their intelligence even man!
To God we are like that dog or any other animal. Even if he tried to explain his origin we will never fully understand it, because human knowledge is limited by what he or she can experience( it is limited to the physical universe of which we still don't fully understand).

God is a higher being that transcends both the physical and spiritual universe, God doesn't need to explain in details His origin, instead He says in the Bible "He has no beginning and ending".

Thank you and glory to God. I'm using that which he gave me

shadeyinka:

I think you jumped too far into the evolutionary chain. Life started scientifically from NOTHING (not even an electron or atom existed before the sudden expansion of the universe!

If nothing existed, isn't it a tall order for something to come out of nothing?

BTW, I don't think anyone has ever described God as a THING/SOMETHING. He is an intelligence quite alright, a conscious being not made up of matter. His phase of existence is different from the physical one we know of, hence he can't be described as "complex" with respect to the physical world for there is no basis for comparison.

Of course, it isn't difficult to see that a complex intelligence can manufacture imitations of complex artifacts.

If he's not a being but an intelligence, then I guess he's abstract, he exists only in our heads and imagination. Cos that's where he's active and always interacts with men.

The question is not whether theres something behind creation or not, there obviously is.

The challenge is knowing what that thing is. Christians have no proof to show that it's their Jehovah, a supposedly personal entity, that created everything, apart from what their fictional bible tells them.

Neither is there proof that it is any other personal entity for that matter rather than a divine, impersonal force.

When people start realising that divinity is not only associated with personal entities, they will begin to understand the mystries of the universe

shadeyinka:

LOL!
It isn't even about the number of planets in the universe BUT the fact that a single planet earth just for no reason than a statistical odds of probability won MULTIPLE interdependent Odds of extreme high stake odds.

But it is, you have 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chances for life to arise on any one planet.

When such occurs, that a single individual is winning several high stake odds, will you as an atheist invoke the law of probability (after all, we have almost 7billion people on earth) or an outside influence?

What law of probability?

gensteejay:

Edited: I have read the whole book, and since I'm very familiar with the Bible, Qur'an, a number of other books of history, I can compare and contrast.

Skepticism is an essential attribute in this sort of research. Just like it's important to learn history from different sides to know the truth.

In the book, he makes thousands of claims. I feel many of them are true as I can see evidence showing so around, in holy books, other books of history, and the likes.

Is feeling a sufficient gauge for what is true or not?

I can't verify many of his other claims at least not now, so I can't say whether they're true or not.

One of the strongest reasons the literature is not just fabricated is the Seriot language, in which he got the revelations from god Atum, one of the many contemporaries of Jehovah and Allah, worshipped in Egypt before colonialists invaded their land to spread Christianity and Islam.

He says gods and goddesses (Jehovah, Allah, Olohun, Yeshua, and thousands of others) spoke among themselves during their time on earth in Seriot.

He says Yeshua (Jesus) spoke Seriot while on earth, and the original Bible was written in Seriot.

According to him, Seriot is one of the ancient languages that are dead. I feel older languages like ancient Aramaic, ancient Hebrew, and Old Greek have their parentage (roots) in Seriot language.

I have studied the language on his thread, https://www.nairaland.com/4567349/dialect-early-beings-seriot-language

I can confirm it's a real language. Smart people would know ways to tell if a language is real or gibberish.

(One hint to learn any new language: note the letters and the first 100 words used commonly in that language and memorize them.)

Where else was this seriot recorded? Are there experts in the language?

I first came across the original thread (of the book compilation shared in my earlier comment) in 2017 and thought it was tripe since I was looking at it from the religious (Islamic) point of view.

But, when I read series of other books and articles written by other authors, in 2018, I discovered religions are a scam, I had an open mind and could take time to read and critique other philosophies.

The expression, "Eloi, eloi, lama sabachthanoi", in different parts of the Bible (Psalm 22:1; Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34) is in Seriot language.

If you check the syntax of that language on the thread, you will agree.

It could take time depending on one's level of smartness.

I consider the book as an essential piece of historical literature that details the origin of tons of gods and goddesses of religions and past human species and homo sapiens.

But it doesn't contain the whole truth and shouldn't be regarded as such (i.e it shouldn't be treated as a religious book), since no single book on earth is infallible and can contain the whole truths of the universe which is unimaginably big.

Apart from that, the Otemic philosophy is a great one, which, he says, is inspired by god Atum. The philosophy is, worship no god, reason out everything with the head, and do good to others.

Also, science is the best tool to understand God Almighty (the totality of existence), which doesn't interfere with our lives and affairs, and not meant to be worshipped but to be discovered continuously as people keep on exploring different things and worlds via science.

Having read the whole book and studied the Seriot language, books and philosophies (approach to life) like Otem's are what Nigeria and Africa need to grow and develop and stop being slaves to the whites and Arabs.

There are different philosophies in the world, including Muhammad's (in Islam), Jesus' (in Christianity), ATR's (in Africa), atheistic, etc.

There are some truths/benefits in all of them, but the philosophies of Abrahamic religions, overall, are domineering and evil.

The book (Otem's) contains the history of tons of philosophies in history. One can learn some things from the good philosophies and be wary of the bad ones that seek to enslave people (such as Christianity and Islam).

The Otemic philosophy, also captured in the history of Otem in the homo Erectus era and the one in the current era (homo Sapiens), is a good philosophy that will benefit humans, being opposite in every way to those of Allah and Jehovah (Jesus).

To wrap up, a smart person tries not to have a fixed philosophy in life, only noting the benefits of different philosophies. Having a fixed philosophy about life's issues could stunt ones growth in life.

If you where to present this book to experts in history, do you thing they will be able to authenticate it as consistent with human history?

LordReed:


Is feeling a sufficient gauge for what is true or not?



Where else was this seriot recorded? Are there experts in the language?



If you where to present this book to experts in history, do you thing they will be able to authenticate it as consistent with human history?

You can't make any informed conclusion on the literature until you read the book. You can't critique what you don't know.

I have suggested that Otem publish the book on Amazon and similar public domains. Any expert that will critique it will have to read it first and check the Seriot Language. If not, they will be speaking ignorantly.

I have reached my own conclusions based on my research.

You can't make any reasonable conclusion on what you don't know its content.

gensteejay:

You can't make any informed conclusion on the literature until you read the book. You can't critique what you don't know.

I have suggested that Otem publish the book on Amazon and similar public domains. Any expert that will critique it will have to read it first and check the Seriot Language. If not, they will be speaking ignorantly.

I have reached my own conclusions based on my research.

You can't make any reasonable conclusion on what you don't know its content.

I didn't critique the book, I asked you epistemological questions.

LordReed:


I didn't critique the book, I asked you epistemological questions.

Sorry, I don't have the luxury of time to answer those questions.

You don't have to read the book. Whether you do so or not, it's entirely your decision to make.

This sort of research is better done independently, and you reach your own conclusions.

It will take time for me to be answering your questions.

I think from the info I gave so far, you would have made up your mind whether it's worth checking out or not.

I have said enough on the topic.

LordReed:


But it is, you have 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chances for life to arise on any one planet.



What law of probability?

You mean 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chances of life?
Too small to be possible.

Even if you have a planet that exist with adequate Water, Oxygen, Carbon and Temperature, it's still a tall order to have life to form.

What law of probability!?
I mean "Simple rules of mathematical probabilities!"

masterP042:

If he's not a being but an intelligence, then I guess he's abstract, he exists only in our heads and imagination. Cos that's where he's active and always interacts with men.

No sir!
God is a spirit. A spirit is a being with a form not defined by our space, matter and time coordinate.

Before you scream foul, there are things similar to that in existence. They exist, but are not defined by space, matter and time.

Is God not in simple terms an extraterrestrial being?


You've not answered this question:
Is infinite regression of Cause an effect logically and scientifically possible with respect to creation?

kingxsamz:


Same way it's impossible for a supposed God to exist without a cause. He didn't appear from nowhere.
You can't tell me nothing can come from nothing and turn around to say that God has always existed.
You weren't there, I wasn't there. Neither of us knows the answer.
So don't come here telling me there's a god who wants us to worship him, and whoever doesn't would be thrown into an eternal lake of fire, if you can't prove it.

I didn't tell you that God want you to worship Him and neither did I tell you that you'll burn in hell fire if you don't. You must have mixed your response up for someone else.

However,
If you had answered my question, you would have found your answer.

I said:
Is infinite regression of Cause an effect logically and scientifically possible with respect to creation?

The answer is a YES or NO!

shadeyinka:

I didn't tell you that God want you to worship Him and neither did I tell you that you'll burn in hell fire if you don't. You must have mixed your response up for someone else.

However,
If you had answered my question, you would have found your answer.

I said:
Is infinite regression of Cause an effect logically and scientifically possible with respect to creation?

The answer is a YES or NO!

No.

Hahjascho:
You can read it over again...

What I meant there was that, the existence of God won't ever make sense to you let alone of believing in Him, for as long as you hold on to old believe and convictions....


However, for many who are still hard-hearted and not ready to change, no matter the number of preachings they get (and even if they're ready to change).... it's God that does the total transformation.... through His spirit...then His existence starts becoming meaniful to you even when alone..

There's also some thing called grace, if it's God interest for you to be saved then, you've got no where to run....

' could have shared more views through scriptures...but it seems you people prefer free level.

So perhaps based on the above we can confidently say God is not yet interested for me to be saved? Whay stops him from convincing me now?