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Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by masterP042(m): 6:43pm On May 23, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Lol. I've been laughing hard seriously.. U just twisted everything. But no wahala. I like the way the argument is just moving around. I didn't say God was the programmer. How did u know there's a programmer in the first place. I'm not good in arguments, but you saying that the burden of prove of God is on the atheists is just laughable. How do u know that theists came before athiests. Even if theists came first. In a standard argument, the burden of prove is on the proponent, that's how it is, even in the court of law. U have to prove your claim. Yes. Lastly, this your question is a nice one. Now tell me the characteristics of your God. I want to be convinced of his abilities. And secondly, since physical prove is necessary, if he can through you, perform a notable miracle, maybe end world suffering and hunger, unite all religions or any physical miracle that you and I can attest to, any miracle of your choice. Even if it's not physical, u can predict the future correctly, maybe the scores of all matches on an epl sunday, or tell me about my past, things I haven't revealed to anyone.. I think those can do for now. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nefort: 7:28pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:That is a bad comparison bro. Both cases are not the same. Trying to win one lottery is just one task. But creation involves VERY MANY tasks. For creation to work by chance just like lottery it means you will have to win the lottery over 1 million times in a row which is IMPOSSIBLE. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 7:36pm On May 23, 2020 |
Nefort: It is not impossible, it has a low chance. Those are not the same. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nefort: 7:50pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:Imagine a human guessing the right number from 1 to 1,000,000,000 and repeating it 1,000,000 in succession. It's just impossible. There is no way to put it. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 7:53pm On May 23, 2020 |
Nefort: Once again you are conflating low odds with impossibility. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by shadeyinka(m): 7:56pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:On the highlighted: Mark the Word- ORIGIN OF LIFE! |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 7:59pm On May 23, 2020 |
shadeyinka: And where was it stated that the chemical origin of life is DNA? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nefort: 8:29pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:Unfortunately the complexities in the universe can't be generated with such "low odds" as you call it. Creating the complete body system of a male human by chance is just one very "low odd". Then creating a separate female specie that matches with the male specie in physical appearance by chance is another extremely lower odd event to happen. Then creating the body system of a male lion and a female lion both matching in physical appearance reduces the odds very much lower. As many more things get created the pattern of creating all of them by repeating and using a similar technique is no more about "low odds" but real INTENTION and INTELLIGENCE. 2 Likes |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 8:41pm On May 23, 2020 |
Nefort: That's because you don't understand the process by which it was said to have occurred. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nefort: 8:58pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:What is the process? You mean evolution? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by shadeyinka(m): 9:11pm On May 23, 2020 |
masterP042:I believe you know what an analogy is! I didn't say you called God the Programmer! masterP042:What is the earliest book of religion you know? What is the earliest book of atheism you know? The age difference alone should tell you which came first. I don't have to prove that Tor or Zeus or Athemas exist because I didn't challenge their dogma. Neither do the proponents until their dogma is challenged I do not have to prove that USA did not go to the moon (Armstrong) because I didn't challenge the dogma. NASA doesn't owe me any burden of proof. If I have an opposing dogma, the burden of proof is on me! If you challenge the theists dogma, the burden of proof is on you. QED! masterP042:If my God was an idol in my room, it would have been easy for me to give it an instruction and command to do what you wish. Even though I am close to the DG of my place of work, do you think I can instruct him to exhibit his constitutional powers because "some people don't believe he is the real DG"? Your request is like asking Femi Adeshina to ask Buhari to make a Presidential speech on June 12 so that I shadeyinka will believe that Buhari is a Patriot. It sounds intelligently childish! Are you saying that your Ultimate proof is when God removes our freedom and convert us to a programmed robot-like creature? When that happens, there would be peace. All the world will be of one religion with just a command... Let's assume, I can do what you ask of me, who do you think will be the Primary Beneficiary of such activity. You!? Me!? or God!? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by shadeyinka(m): 9:13pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:And life can exist without the DNA? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 9:18pm On May 23, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Can you just answer the question, where is is state that the chemical origins of life is DNA? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 9:21pm On May 23, 2020 |
Nefort: Yes |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by shadeyinka(m): 9:26pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:Can you quote me properly before you ask an uneducated question? Did I say that " the chemical origin of life is DNA"? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 9:31pm On May 23, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Is that the question I asked you? I said where is it stated that chemical origin of life is DNA, did I say you said it? Answer the question and stop deflecting. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nefort: 9:35pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:But how did evolution create male and female animals separately and repeating it across many species? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by shadeyinka(m): 9:44pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:It is a stupid question until you can show me where I said or insinuated that the chemical origin of life is DNA. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 9:46pm On May 23, 2020 |
Nefort: Evolution does not create. Evolution is the change in gene frequency in populations over time. Read for more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sexual_reproduction |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 9:48pm On May 23, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Then Bleep off I have nothing more to say to you. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nefort: 10:03pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:You still didn't explain how evolution decided to create the male and female sex across different different species. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 10:10pm On May 23, 2020 |
Nefort: I just corrected you on something and yet you repeated it, shows you really don't care to learn. Did you even bother to read the information in the link I pasted? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nefort: 10:21pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:You said evolution works by changing the gene frequency over time. I felt that was the summary of the link you posted. Wasn't it the summary? But it didn't explain how a change in gene frequency can produce the male and female gender across many species. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 10:26pm On May 23, 2020 |
Nefort: Read the information in the link. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by frank317: 10:31pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed: He is struggling with the evolution thingy because he wants something that can love him... Have u wondered why religionists think that the world because of its complexity must have a creator... Then all of a sudden this creator loves them and wants them to worship him. But what happens to those who don't live him, he punishes them in hell. How does one jump from the world is complex enough not to have a creator to this creator loves them. U can see him un consciously attribute human attributes to evolution as a creator. Somewhere he is wondering how can evolution love him. This whole God thing is just coming from and indept desire to be loved by something powerful in such a uncertain and sad world. @shadyinka, I want to ask u.. For what purpose did God almighty create this world? 1 Like |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by LordReed(m): 10:34pm On May 23, 2020 |
frank317: LoL! Its true, the universe is a scary place and to think we are all alone in it can be very frightening. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by hahn(m): 10:51pm On May 23, 2020 |
frank317: To watch humans fvck 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by shadeyinka(m): 11:32pm On May 23, 2020 |
LordReed:You can't have any by manufacturing untruths and presenting them as truths |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by shadeyinka(m): 11:38pm On May 23, 2020 |
frank317:The world was created for His pleasure. Rev 4:11: "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." More like a garden of flowers each with volition to be ugly or beautiful knowing the ultimate goal of the garden owner. And as a place of selection of flowers (humans) with His own desired traits. |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by frank317: 7:18am On May 24, 2020 |
shadeyinka: What's pleasurable in the way the world has been all these while? How can this situation I am seeing give any kind of being pleasure? |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by Nobody: 8:03am On May 24, 2020 |
GOD ~ Supreme Being Satan has been winning all these while by outwitting the only way to prove God's existence! We are humans and we are the only creature made in God's image, there is no other way to prove his existence if we fail to cohabit peacefully! That's why God said through Isaiah the prophet that before he (God) bring his judgment upon rebellious humans, he will give us one sign:- People from different races under the heavens will come together and form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally, they will bury racial prejudice and they will not carry weapons against themselves anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 Jesus commissioned this training program in the first century! Matthew 28:19-20 But Satan immediately started fighting hard to stop this plan {Act 4:18, 5:28} he killed all those trained by Jesus to make this a reality and Satan fabricated a counterfeit form of worship to replace what Jesus commissioned back then, this lasted for centuries until Jesus' invisible return in 1914 to reorganize his group {Luke 18:8} and ever since then Jesus has continued to separate his own people from false religions globally to gather them as one {John 17:20-23 compare to Matthew 13:24-30} There is no way to prove the existence of God when people claiming worshipers of God aren't united in FAITH and having the same line of thought regarding rules of conduct {Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2} so the true God organized his worshipers as one and make them a people for his name {Act 15:14} but because Satan and his demons keep working round the clock to steal the beautiful name God wanted to give his own people {1Peter 1:12} God hid that name for almost 2,000 years until 1931 after all the false religions on planet earth have taken the group name that observers gave Jesus' followers back then in Antioch (Christians)! Act 11:26 That is when God changed the name of his own worshipers to the one that will eulogize his own name:- Jehovah's Witnesses Isaiah 43:10-12 God did this to frustrate Satan and his cohorts {Isaiah 65:15} so the new name is fitting as the group continued to grow strong in LOVE JOY and PEACE globally! John 13:34-35 God bless you! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: For Those Saying There Is No God. by shadeyinka(m): 9:38am On May 24, 2020 |
frank317:Nothing seems pleasurable as it is now. Remember I said More like a garden of flowers each with volition to be ugly or beautiful knowing the ultimate goal of the garden owner. Yes, there are some beautiful Flowers in the garden but there are far much more horrid looking Flowers. On the whole, the whole garden looks messed up but in time the Chief Horticulturist will harvest the kind of flowers that have the innate nature of beauty for His final garden and treat the remaining flowers as Weed! If you were a horticulturalist with flowers developed to produce beautiful flowers according to their volition , what do you think you'll do to have your Garden of Pleasure ? |
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