OLAADEGBU:


I know that cults and false religions equally enjoy the religious freedom Christians enjoy but that's where the free ride ends. Where they get banned your sect become unstuck, unable to hawk their Awake, Watchtower magazines, a main condition for there being saved.

Banning in one place doesn't stop Jesus' followers from moving to another place! Matthew 10:23

You'll notice that you're empty as you keep arguing based on human wisdom you can't even quote a single Bible quotation to support your notion! Isaiah 54:17 compare to Matthew 10:19

Jehovah's Witnesses, may God continue to bless you people for me!

OLAADEGBU:

Oh lala !!
OLAADEGBU now understands that his Cult gods of men prophecy is blah blah blah blah !

Hallelujah

Maximus69:


Banning in one place doesn't stop Jesus' followers from moving to another place! Matthew 10:23

It's true that it doesn't stop Jesus' followers but you are not Jesus followers which explains why you don't call yourself as such.

Maximus69:


You'll notice that you're empty as you keep arguing based on human wisdom you can't even quote a single Bible quotation to support your notion! Isaiah 54:17 compare to Matthew 10:19

Why should I quote scriptures that I know you have no regard for other than to twist, deny, doubt and disobey?

Maximus69:


Jehovah's Witnesses, may God continue to bless you people for me!

Jangilova Wickedness best describes your sect as image123 has rightly stated. You lied against Pastor Kumuyi, you lied against President Trump. You even lied against your sect when you falsely stated that JW is not a charity organisation and when you include all the lies your sect propagates in the name of witnessing that are set to contradict the doctrines of Christ then you should rightfully answer to your Jangilova Wickedness that you've been named.

OLAADEGBU:


It's true that it doesn't stop Jesus' followers but you are not Jesus followers which explains why you don't call yourself as such.



Why should I quote scriptures that I know you have no regard for other than to twist, deny, doubt and disobey?



Jangilova Wickedness best describes your sect as image123 has rightly stated. You lied against Pastor Kumuyi, you lied against President Trump. You even lied against your sect when you falsely stated that JW is not a charity organisation and when you include all the lies your sect propagates in the name of witnessing that are set to contradict the doctrines of Christ then you should rightfully answer to your Jangilova Wickedness that you've been named.

At least we are peacefully going with our own faith we don't call for BANNING any of people's gathering!

We are not religious fanatics!

Maximus69:


At least we are peacefully going with our own faith we don't call for BANNING any of people's gathering!

We are not religious fanatics!

Your sect should be proscribed.

OLAADEGBU:


Your sect should be proscribed.

BANNING! Comes from fanatics! Luke 6:45

Maximus69:


BANNING! Comes from fanatics! Luke 6:45

Quit quoting scriptures you detest.

Who called me? BTW, why do JWs make all effort to be despicable almost for no reason? See how this fellow has been literally drooling over pastor or apostle that has no bearing on the issue on hand.
Anyway, a Christian should be accountable or faithful. So he/she should be subject to some level of discipline. But permanent ban is too far in my opinion if he or she has repented. 70 times 7 carries this one. We Christians tend to look at the fellow CAUGHT in adultery like the biblical Pharisees. Meanwhile, we permit other pastors/ministers who are frequently proud, liars, extortioners, flirts, thieves, blasphemers. Many people do these countless times a month and mount the pulpit to minister. But if one commits adultery once in 20years, we want to stone him to death publicly. All are sins before God. We are the ones that graded adultery as number 1 on the scale, not God.

Image123:


Who called me? BTW, why do JWs make all effort to be despicable almost for no reason? See how this fellow has been literally drooling over pastor or apostle that has no bearing on the issue on hand.

My brother I had to conjure you up to come and deal with this 'Jangilova of wickedness' that is running rampage here.

Image123:


Anyway, a Christian should be accountable or faithful. So he/she should be subject to some level of discipline. But permanent ban is too far in my opinion if he or has repented. 70 times 7 carries this one.

I am being specific to a Christian who has risen to the post of a pastor here. Should he be restored to his former position especially if he has repented and forgiven and even disciplined from a sexual offence on a minor, for instance? Would you be able to sit under his ministration if you or your loved ones were victims of this repentant sexual predator? Would you report him to the police even though you have notified the church elders?

Image123:


We Christians tend to look at the fellow CAUGHT in adultery like the biblical Pharisees. Meanwhile, we permit other pastors/ministers who are frequently proud, liars, extortioners, flirts, thieves, blasphemers. Many people do these countless times a month and mount the pulpit to minister. But if one commits adultery once in 20years, we want to stone him to death publicly. All are sins before God. We are the ones that graded adultery as number 1 on the scale, not God.

The secular authorities in the Western world would punish a man who is a Paedophile (sexual predator), who takes advantage of minors and list them on the sexual offence register. They would no longer be in a position to abuse minors again but in the case of the church of God this sexual predator would be asked to repent and be disciplined only for him to be restored after they are satisfied that he has been disciplined enough. He will be restored to the same position as a pastor and many go on to repeat the offence on these vulnerable ones. Now tell me who has a better moral standard, the world who safeguards the vulnerable or the church who exposes the vulnerables to these vultures waiting to pounce?

OLAADEGBU:


My brother I had to conjure you up to come and deal with this 'Jangilova of wickedness' that is running rampage here.



I am being specific to a Christian who has risen to the post of a pastor here. Should he be restored to his former position especially if he has repented and forgiven and even disciplined from a sexual offence on a minor, for instance? Would you be able to sit under his ministration if you or your loved ones were victims of this repentant sexual predator? Would you report him to the police even though you have notified the church elders?

Brother, don't mind that guy. It seems the current ban on gatherings gave him maximum boredom. He's probably itching to sell some awake. i feel his pain.
Yes for a pastor, he has not outgrown forgiveness, same way he should not outgrow discipline and correction. Since it is not categorically stated in scriptures, he should be forgiven and restored. We saw God forgive and restore Nebuchadnezzar, David, Samson, Peter,Aaron, Miriam etc. These all committed sin and were corrected. i'm not sure there's any bible verse that elevate adultery above other sins. If God that he primarily offended has forgiven him, why should i cry more than the bereaved?

OLAADEGBU:


The secular authorities in the Western world would punish a man who is a Paedophile (sexual predator), who takes advantage of minors and list them on the sexual offence register. They would no longer be in a position to abuse minors again but in the case of the church of God this sexual predator would be asked to repent and be disciplined only for him to be restored after they are satisfied that he has been disciplined enough. He will be restored to the same position as a pastor and many go on to repeat the offence on these vulnerable ones. Now tell me who has a better moral standard, the world who safeguards the vulnerable or the church who exposes the vulnerables to these vultures waiting to pounce?

A forgiven sinner saved by grace is just as saved as every saved soul, not a vulture. Just like Paul the chief sinner who wrecked havoc on the church, he can boldly say "we have wronged no man". Old things passed away literally. That is the stunning beautification of the vilest offender who truly believes.

Image123:



Brother, don't mind that guy. It seems the current ban on gatherings gave him maximum boredom. He's probably itching to sell some awake. i feel his pain.

Image123:


Yes for a pastor, he has not outgrown forgiveness, same way he should not outgrow discipline and correction. Since it is not categorically stated in scriptures, he should be forgiven and restored. We saw God forgive and restore Nebuchadnezzar, David, Samson, Peter,Aaron, Miriam etc. These all committed sin and were corrected. i'm not sure there's any bible verse that elevate adultery above other sins. If God that he primarily offended has forgiven him, why should i cry more than the bereaved?

There is no doubt that he can be forgiven but should there not be justice for the victim? Should the victim(s) not see justice served? Is God only a merciful God, is He not also a God of justice? Should Justice not be seen to be served?

Image123:


A forgiven sinner saved by grace is just as saved as every saved soul, not a vulture. Just like Paul the chief sinner who wrecked havoc on the church, he can boldly say "we have wronged no man". Old things passed away literally. That is the stunning beautification of the vilest offender who truly believes.

What did Paul say to be done to the believer who committed adultery with his step mother?

When Satan quote scriptures for his own purpose Jesus also quoted scriptures to silence him, both of them lived in heaven before so they both have the right to quote their father.

So your inability to quote fitting scriptures shows your incompetency and lack of faith in God's word!

What you carry in your head is man-made doctrines!

OLAADEGBU:


Quit quoting scriptures you detest.

OLAADEGBU:






There is no doubt that he can be forgiven but should there not be justice for the victim? Should the victim(s) not see justice served? Is God only a merciful God, is He not also a God of justice? Should Justice not be seen to be served?

i don't think the church is a law court. If Paul got justice from the church, he should be dead for killing people.

OLAADEGBU:


What did Paul say to be done to the believer who committed adultery with his step mother?

i believe you refer to 1Corinth 5v1 to 9. In the passage, Paul was not referring to a believer but to a fornicator belonging to satan.

1Co 5:9 KJV I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

Image123:



Brother, don't mind that guy. It seems the current ban on gatherings gave him maximum boredom. He's probably itching to sell some awake. i feel his pain.
Yes for a pastor, he has not outgrown forgiveness, same way he should not outgrow discipline and correction. Since it is not categorically stated in scriptures, he should be forgiven and restored. We saw God forgive and restore Nebuchadnezzar, David, Samson, Peter,Aaron, Miriam etc. These all committed sin and were corrected. i'm not sure there's any bible verse that elevate adultery above other sins. If God that he primarily offended has forgiven him, why should i cry more than the bereaved?

Glory be to our most righteous God in the heavens!

Now i'm certain that you're ignorant of true Christianity. So you think JWs sells magazines!

Well for your information, millions who were misinformed about our activities are now trooping in to accept the truth. We can give you a copy of the magazine for life without you paying a dime. What we do is to be certain that you value it, that's why certain amount was placed on each publication but ask your neighbour studying with JWs today how much they paid for our publications.

Go and do that now!

Apostle Paul said "make sure of all things" 1Thessalonians 5:21
Instead of deluding yourself with false reasoning!

Image123:


i believe you refer to 1Corinth 5v1 to 9. In the passage, Paul was not referring to a believer but to a fornicator belonging to satan.

1Co 5:9 KJV I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

See this mumu!

Who gave Paul (vilified by his own people) the impetus to question a sinner if the fornicator is not a believer? 1Corinthians 5:11-12

My guy come and let's teach you the truth of God's word. Christians only had penalty for what they've agreed upon, they had no audacity to question someone who doesn't subscribe to their line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

OLAADEGBU:


This is one of the reasons the world does not take the church serious.

If the World likes, they take it serious!

Salvation is not a Church , Community or Country Race! Salvation is a Personal Race!

If you don't take GOD Serious, you tell HIM your Reason when you cross over

Maximus69:


Glory be to our most righteous God in the heavens!

Now i'm certain that you're ignorant of true Christianity. So you think JWs sells magazines!

Well for your information, millions who were misinformed about our activities are now trooping in to accept the truth. We can give you a copy of the magazine for life without you paying a dime. What we do is to be certain that you value it, that's why certain amount was placed on each publication but ask your neighbour studying with JWs today how much they paid for our publications.

Go and do that now!

Apostle Paul said "make sure of all things" 1Thessalonians 5:21
Instead of deluding yourself with false reasoning!

Clown

Maximus69:


See this mumu!

Who gave Paul (vilified by his own people) the impetus to question a sinner if the fornicator is not a believer? 1Corinthians 5:11-12

My guy come and let's teach you the truth of God's word. Christians only had penalty for what they've agreed upon, they had no audacity to question someone who doesn't subscribe to their line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

You overrate yourself, get a life.

Image123:


You overrate yourself your group, get a life.

We have only one life to bear the torture stake! Luke 9:23

Whether we live or die, it's for Jesus! 2Corinthians 5:15

So live your life Sir, we know whom we owe our life to!

Maximus69:


We have only one life to bear the torture stake! Luke 9:23

Whether we live or die, it's for Jesus! 2Corinthians 5:15

So live your life Sir, we know whom we owe our life to!

Jangilova wickedness is living for Jesus, Na wa oh. New things every day. Who wants to torture you? Is selling awake to be happy not enough a self and kingdom hall inflicted torture on its own. Who sent you into the sun with heavy bags loaded with awake? Now, you're accusing others of torture?
For safety sake, I'll have to henceforth ignore you as dante gave advice. i never knew you were on the torture stake by my response. Who knows, i don't want you to end it. Then the NCDC may Jack up dem numbers and scare us all.

Image123:


Jangilova wickedness is living for Jesus, Na wa oh. New things every day. Who wants to torture you? Is selling awake to be happy not enough a self and kingdom hall inflicted torture on its own. Who sent you into the sun with heavy bags loaded with awake? Now, you're accusing others of torture?
For safety sake, I'll have to henceforth ignore you as dante gave advice. i never knew you were on the torture stake by my response. Who knows, i don't want you to end it. Then the NCDC may Jack up dem numbers and scare us all.

Hmmmmmmmm the misinterpretation of KJV!

Instead of the stake designed to torture condemned criminals to death in ancient Rome, orthodox Churches of Christendom told you is CROSS, after all you guys won't make further research to verify if it's so or not!

Nevertheless you should have presented what you know instead of looking for ways to shut down others from airing their own views, but all the same thanks for your time!

Chosen1984:


If the World likes, they take it serious!

Salvation is not a Church , Community or Country Race! Salvation is a Personal Race!

If you don't take GOD Serious, you tell HIM your Reason when you cross over

God is a God of Love and Justice. Justice must be seen to be done.

SUCH PASTORS AREN'T BORN OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND WILL BE VERY DANGEROUS TO THE PROFESSION.

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God is a God of Love and Justice. Justice must be seen to be done.




What is the justice of God?

Second, how is justice, with respect to God different from vengeance?

orisa37:


SUCH PASTORS AREN'T BORN OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND WILL BE VERY DANGEROUS TO THE PROFESSION.

Are you saying such pastors were born against?

madegreatbygrace:


What is the justice of God?

Second, how is justice, with respect to God different from vengeance?

Can you also explain what it means for justice to be seen to be carried out by an earthly judge here on earth?

Maximus69:


Hmmmmmmmm the misinterpretation of KJV!

Instead of the stake designed to torture condemned criminals to death in ancient Rome, orthodox Churches of Christendom told you is CROSS, after all you guys won't make further research to verify if it's so or not!

Nevertheless you should have presented what you know instead of looking for ways to shut down others from airing their own views, but all the same thanks for your time!

The Bible is self evident in proving that Jesus was nailed on a cross. I remember proving this to you but you chose to look the other way believing on a non existent stake. Like I said earlier, you are a believer of your Watchtower magazine and not a believer in the Holy Bible. The Bible calls you an idolater. I have now proved you on this forum how you are not only a liar but also an idolater. Repent and believe the gospel truth.

OLAADEGBU:


Are you saying such pastors were born against?

The Holy Spirit. Yes.