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Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Emusan(m): 7:51am On May 04
Janosky:
1).
You don't have to TWIST my statement in order to protect your interests.
IT IS Emusan DISHONESTY.

Where is the twist in your statement

Janosky Original Statement:

In their conversations in the holy Bible (aside the first verse of chapter 1 of the Letters they wrote), NOBODY ELSE in the holy Bible addressed them as "Apostle Peter" etc ,Is that point too difficult for you to understand?

The fact is, you know that Paul and Peter attached the Title to themselves but your problem is nobody else addressed them like that.

1. This proves that you're a kangaroo that jumps anyhow because your deluded brother first claim was "Can you quote where the Bible mentioned anyone like Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter or Prophet Daniel? What you will see is an Apostle or Prophet referred to as "Apostle of Christ or Prophet/Man of God"

Which you even like and share the post!

Now, it's evident that both of you are lying liar and don't know your Bible.

2. That NOBODY ELSE addressed them as such is baseless in this regard and contradictory to this your statement "Other people in the Scriptures called them "Prophet". That's the point I am making"

**ANOTHER FACT:
1Cor 3:4-5, Paul NEVER arrogated the title of Apostle to himself (likewise Peter) as if it is GROSS SIN when anyone failed to call him "Apostle Paul".
I remember one Jankara Prof in my School way back in time long past, if you no call am him Church titles he go provoke like say you commit 'unforgiveable sin'....
The pompous demi god was thrown out of the System for copy,copy...
I no get time for him Nonsense !! grin

So just because you met one person that acted that way means that's how all of them behave. This speaks volumes of your dishonesty.

By the way, the point here is, did Bible ascribe Title to people name or not?

Which is Yes! as you agree above an below statements.


2).
Jeremiah 23:9 your claim is FALSE !

"Concerning the prophets. My heart within me is broken, all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of Jehovah, and because of his holy words."

*Emusan 2-5, You simply confirmed that THIS FACT:
NONE of the old testament Prophets ascribed the title "Prophet" to themselves.

Actually, I didn't know the essence of this statement because I never referenced Jer 23:9 and I don't know the reason for using it by you.

The Bible references I cited

Isaiah ascribed the Title of Prophet to himself likewise Jeremiah so stop lying against the scripture.

Other people in the Scriptures called them "Prophet". That's the point I am making.

This is where we're going!

Now, what do you have to say about this your deluded brother challenge?

"Can you quote where the Bible mentioned anyone like Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter or Prophet Daniel?
What you will see is an Apostle or Prophet referred to as "Apostle of Christ or Prophet/Man of God"

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Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:49pm On May 06
OtemAtum:


This is OtemAtum, not BudaAtum

Okay.
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:30pm On May 10
Chosen1984:


How do u Ban who you didn't call?

Immorality of any sort is evil but Banning is not the answer..

Such a Pastor who has fallen should step down for Season.. he should use the Period to make Amends with JESUS CHRIST.. He should Humble himself before GOD and Repent Totally.

After that and in due Season , The Church could reinstate him .

The Will of GOD is that all men should be Saved!

Will you accept a pastor over you who was 'caught in the act' either with your wife or your daughter, even if he has repented and has been reinstated? undecided
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:31pm On May 10
StrikeBack:


What of pastors who make false prophecy,. Maybe we should have them banished from Nigeria.

ABI how you see am

That's not a bad idea. cool
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:35pm On May 10
Emusan:
@OP

Nobody has right to permanently ban anybody even scripture didn't support that, the best is to come together to help the person in such situation.

Knowing fully well that the Pastor has been reinstated by the church, will you personally sit under the ministration of a pastor who was caught committing adultery?
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:37pm On May 10
Maximus69:


Predictions is the result of dreams or visions.
It's those who takes such utterances serious that should watch themselves.
Anybody can have a nightmare and say he wants to prophesy, that's the more reason why faithful servants of God don't get carried away with religious titles like Pastors, Reverend etc! smiley

If there was such a law that banishes false prophecy, JW should be top of the list. cool
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:39pm On May 10
CodeTemplar:


The question is "who will ban a man called by God" ?

What OP is proposing is a christian Sharia that may appeal initially to the instinct of many but is damaging in the long run and contrary to God's design.

Why would it be damaging? Allowing adulterous Pastors running rampage in the church is what is damaging and is contrary to God's design.
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:42pm On May 10
orunto27:


Yes. They are not Preachers. They are Adulterers. They are Demons and capable of burning those Churches and turning them into Sheol.

I hope such churches that permit those adulterers in their pulpits do not recover after this pandemic.
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Chosen1984(m): 1:04pm On May 13
OLAADEGBU:


Will you accept a pastor over you who was 'caught in the act' either with your wife or your daughter, even if he has repented and has been reinstated? undecided

If he is Appointed to pastor me! No problem!

As far as he has truly Repented.
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:41pm On May 14
Chosen1984:


If he is Appointed to pastor me! No problem!

As far as he has truly Repented.

This is one of the reasons the world does not take the church serious. undecided
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by madegreatbygrace(m): 9:54pm On May 14
[quote author=Maximus69 post=89153425]



Jesus told his followers not to tell people that he is the Christ, to avoid attaching the title to him while he's still in their midst, but they should do so after he's gone.








You err sir. That was not the reason Jesus asked his followers not to address him as Christ.
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Maximus69: 10:59pm On May 14
OLAADEGBU:


If there was such a law that banishes false prophecy, JW should be top of the list. cool

Banish! embarassed

William Tyndale was burnt alive by your ancestors (Church Pharisees)! smiley

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Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Kobojunkie: 11:28pm On May 14
OtemAtum:
If Hosea could commit Adultery and escape it by writing the book of Hosea, why can't other pastors escape it by writing a book of excuses grin ?
Um... Hosea did not commit adultery lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed lipsrsealed
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:56pm On May 14
Maximus69:


Banish! embarassed

William Tyndale was burnt alive by your ancestors (Church Pharisees)! smiley

False preachers should not be compared to Martyrs such as William Tyndale. Your organisation has made it their life time mission to undo all the work of William Tyndale by the publishing of your NWT and you will not succeed in Jesus' name!

Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Janosky: 12:36am On May 15
Emusan:


This was your lie which I busted "Aside that, NONE of them affixed "Apostle Paul" or "Apostle Peter" to their names elsewhere in your Bible..

After this you're now grasping for air to breath....

Your balloon of lies has been punched with a tiny needle.

The truth from the scripture is that both Paul and Peter ascribed the Title "APOSTLE" to themselves.


These are the list where Bible ascribed Title to people names even including Christ Himself.

1. Jeremiah 23:9 Jeremiah himself.

2. Luke 4:17, Luke 4:27 where Christ ascribed the Title Prophet to Isaiah
3. 2 Chronicles 32:32 the Title Prophet was ascribed to Isaiah
4. 2 Chronicles 36:12 the Title Prophet was ascribed to Jeremiah
5. Ezra 6:14 the Title Prophet was ascribed to Haggai

And many more so your lies can't hold anymore.
Emusan:


01
Where is the twist in your statement



The fact is, you know that Paul and Peter attached the Title to themselves but your problem is nobody else addressed them like that.

1. This proves that you're a kangaroo that jumps anyhow because your deluded brother first claim was "Can you quote where the Bible mentioned anyone like Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter or Prophet Daniel? What you will see is an Apostle or Prophet referred to as "Apostle of Christ or Prophet/Man of God"

Which you even like and share the post!

Now, it's evident that both of you are lying liar and don't know your Bible.

2. That NOBODY ELSE addressed them as such is baseless in this regard and contradictory to this your statement "Other people in the Scriptures called them "Prophet". That's the point I am making"



So just because you met one person that acted that way means that's how all of them behave. This speaks volumes of your dishonesty.

By the way, the point here is, did Bible ascribe Title to people name or not?

Which is Yes! as you agree above an below statements.



02)
Actually, I didn't know the essence of this statement because I never referenced Jer 23:9 and I don't know the reason for using it by you.

The Bible references I cited

Isaiah ascribed the Title of Prophet to himself likewise Jeremiah so stop lying against the scripture.




This is where we're going!

Now, what do you have to say about this your deluded brother challenge?

"Can you quote where the Bible mentioned anyone like Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter or Prophet Daniel?

03)
[b]What you will see is an Apostle or Prophet referred to as "Apostle of Christ or Prophet/Man of God"
[/b]

My 01)
You seem to have serious comprehension issues.. I made separate statements about the apostles and another one about the Prophets, but you lumped them together and patch them up to misquote me.... You do well grin.

The fact still remains:
In the Scriptures, Paul or Peter, in fact, no Apostle referred to himself as "Apostle" whenever they spoke One on one (reported speech) with fellow believers..

My 02)
LIAR.
Can you see your reference to Jeremiah 23:9?
Why you dey deny wetin you done type ?
I pray you are not high on something.....


My 03)
The screenshots you pasted gave validation to Brother Max point of view. For example, "Paul, an Apostle of Christ....." Etc That is the style for several opening sentences of the inspired Letters written by Paul...
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Janosky: 1:03am On May 15
OLAADEGBU:


False preachers should not be compared to Martyrs such as William Tyndale. Your organisation has made it their life time mission to undo all the work of William Tyndale by the publishing of your NWT and you will not succeed in Jesus' name!
OLAADEGBU:


If there was such a law that banishes false prophecy, JW should be top of the list. cool

OLAADEGBU LIENUS , keep quiet there....
Go and ban your god of men for hoodwinking you with Sweet mouth of year 2020 FALSE PROPHECIES...
I challenge you to show PROOF here that NONE of your fellow cult worshippers have fallen sick or died of any ailments since your god released his year 2020 FABLES....
Na who una wan deceive ? grin grin

Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Kobojunkie: 1:12am On May 15
OLAADEGBU:


Will you accept a pastor over you who was 'caught in the act' either with your wife or your daughter, even if he has repented and has been reinstated? undecided
Good question! grin
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Kobojunkie: 1:13am On May 15
Janosky:

OLAADEGBU LIENUS , keep quiet there....
Go and ban your god of men for hoodwinking you with Sweet mouth of year 2020 FALSE PROPHECIES...
I challenge you to show PROOF here that NONE of your fellow cult worshippers have fallen sick or died of any ailments since your god released his year 2020 FABLES....
Na who una wan deceive ? grin grin
Yikes! grin grin grin cheesy cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:18am On May 15
Janosky:


OLAADEGBU LIENUS , keep quiet there....
Go and ban your god of men for hoodwinking you with Sweet mouth of year 2020 FALSE PROPHECIES...
I challenge you to show PROOF here that NONE of your fellow cult worshippers have fallen sick or died of any ailments since your god released his year 2020 FABLES....
Na who una wan deceive ? grin grin

Would you recognise a prophecy when you hear it? undecided

Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Maximus69: 5:22am On May 15
OLAADEGBU:


False preachers should not be compared to Martyrs such as William Tyndale. Your organisation has made it their life time mission to undo all the work of William Tyndale by the publishing of your NWT and you will not succeed in Jesus' name!

Thank God you are the one who suggested "Banishment" and that shows where you truly belongs! Luke 6:45

Apostle John the beloved was Banished to the Isle of Patmos! Revelations 1:9

So if the first century Christians never taught of banishing anyone but offering their sacred services to God without attacking anyone or thinking of how to impose sanctions on any religious group.

It is clear now that the same spirit that was controlling the persecutors of true Christianity in the first century and that of the English Bishops that masterminded Tyndale's execution is the same spirit controlling your Church!

Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" {Matthew 7:20} But glory be to the true God in the highest, neither you nor your evil father {John 8:44} can do anything now to stop pure worship again.

For your information, God's organization is speaking 1020 Languages today in over 400 lands having over 8,700,000 zealous preachers and teachers globally, so Satan has been put to shame! Matthew 24:14

America has declared FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship! smiley

Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:09am On May 16
Maximus69:


Thank God you are the one who suggested "Banishment" and that shows where you truly belongs! Luke 6:45

Apostle John the beloved was Banished to the Isle of Patmos! Revelations 1:9

So if the first century Christians never taught of banishing anyone but offering their sacred services to God without attacking anyone or thinking of how to impose sanctions on any religious group.

It is clear now that the same spirit that was controlling the persecutors of true Christianity in the first century and that of the English Bishops that masterminded Tyndale's execution is the same spirit controlling your Church!

Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" {Matthew 7:20} But glory be to the true God in the highest, neither you nor your evil father {John 8:44} can do anything now to stop pure worship again.

For your information, God's organization is speaking 1020 Languages today in over 400 lands having over 8,700,000 zealous preachers and teachers globally, so Satan has been put to shame! Matthew 24:14

America has declared FREEDOM of speech, expression and worship! smiley

It was the Vatican that persecuted and banished true Christians who later became Martyrs for a holy cause. The same cannot be said of your sect that has done worse than the RCC by attempting to destroy the works of these Martyrs, corrupting and twisting their works and making Christians twice the children of hell.

Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Maximus69: 10:33am On May 16
OLAADEGBU:


It was the Vatican that persecuted and banished true Christians who later became Martyrs for a holy cause. The same cannot be said of your sect that has done worse than the RCC by attempting to destroy the works of these Martyrs, corrupting and twisting their works and making Christians twice the children of hell.

The Vatican persecuted true Christians because they felt the Christians were corrupting God's word! cheesy

So if it's not the Vatican spirit that's in your mind, wait for God to judge Sir! Matthew 7:1-4 cheesy
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:45am On May 16
Maximus69:


The Vatican persecuted true Christians because they felt the Christians were corrupting God's word! cheesy

So if it's not the Vatican spirit that's in your mind, wait for God to judge Sir! Matthew 7:1-4 cheesy

If the Vatican persecuted the Martyrs because they 'felt' the JW sect would be in greater judgment because they are actively corrupting God's holy Words by rewriting the Bible the Martyrs shed their blood for.

Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Maximus69: 10:57am On May 16
OLAADEGBU:


If the Vatican persecuted the Martyrs because they 'felt' the JW sect would be in greater judgment because they are actively corrupting God's holy Words by rewriting the Bible the Martyrs shed their blood for.

So wait patiently for God to judge! Matthew 7:1-4

Banishment comes from the minds of religious fanatics NOT peaceful preachers and teachers of God's word! Luke 6:45 cheesy
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:57am On May 16
Maximus69:


So wait patiently for God to judge! Matthew 7:1-4

Banishment comes from the minds of religious fanatics NOT peaceful preachers and teachers of God's word! Luke 6:45 cheesy

The right word for your sect is to be banned as it has been in Russian and many Islamic countries. Do you still hold on to your delusion that my Pastor W.F. Kumuyi was banished by your sect? undecided
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Maximus69: 1:00pm On May 16
OLAADEGBU:


The right word for your sect is to be banned as it has been in Russian and many Islamic countries. Do you still hold on to your delusion that my Pastor W.F. Kumuyi was banished by your sect? undecided

It's evident that you don't know what's happening Sir!

Neither can Kumuyi speaks of his business in Russia or Islamic countries.

So whatever affects Jehovah's Witnesses as a rule will affect your church because you too think of preaching to gain members and that's what's causing the ban.

First century Christians were banned because they were preaching and teaching to change people's religions {Act 5:28} so if your religion preaches it can never be allowed in either Russia or Islamic countries! cheesy

Back to the issue of banning, it's the ideology of religious fanatics sir NOT that of peaceful preachers and teachers of Godly peace! Luke 6:45 smiley

Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:33pm On May 16
Maximus69:


It's evident that you don't know what's happening Sir!

Neither can Kumuyi speaks of his business in Russia or Islamic countries.

So whatever affects Jehovah's Witnesses as a rule will affect your church because you too think of preaching to gain members and that's what's causing the ban.

First century Christians were banned because they were preaching and teaching to change people's religions {Act 5:28} so if your religion preaches it can never be allowed in either Russia or Islamic countries! cheesy

Back to the issue of banning, it's the ideology of religious fanatics sir NOT that of peaceful preachers and teachers of Godly peace! Luke 6:45 smiley

I know that cults and false religions equally enjoy the religious freedom Christians enjoy but that's where the free ride ends. Where they get banned your sect become unstuck, unable to hawk their Awake, Watchtower magazines, a main condition for there being saved.

Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Janosky: 3:51pm On May 16
OLAADEGBU:


Would you recognise a prophecy when you hear it? undecided

Your cult of "gods of men prophecy"
" There will be good and sound health for everyone in the coming year 2020 " Na 419 prophecy after all grin

Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Janosky: 3:57pm On May 16
OLAADEGBU:


I know that cults and false religions equally enjoy the religious freedom Christians enjoy but that's where the free ride ends. Where they get banned your sect become unstuck, unable to hawk their Awake, Watchtower magazines, a main condition for there being saved.

SHAMELESS LIAR !!! grin grin

I won't dignify you with the truth about this barefaced LIE you blow here grin grin grin.
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:01pm On May 16
Janosky:


Your cult of "gods of men prophecy"
" There will be good and sound health for everyone in the coming year 2020 " Na 419 prophecy after all grin

If the Bible promises good health for everyone don't you know that there are conditions to be fulfilled? undecided

Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by Janosky: 4:06pm On May 16
OLAADEGBU:


If the Bible promises good health for everyone don't you know that there are conditions to be fulfilled? undecided
MUMU Pharisee.....
Yes nau....

"Conditions to be fulfilled in the coming year 2020....."
Your cult gods of men done use your brain fry beans..
grin grin
Re: Should Pastors Who Commit Adultery Be Permanently Banned From Ministry? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:09pm On May 16
Janosky:


MUMU Pharisee.....
Yes nau....

"Conditions to be fulfilled in the coming year 2020....."
Your cult gods of men done use your brain fry beans..
grin grin

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