Saucyxo:


I could be a full grown 60 year old man.

No. You talk like a young woman.

Well, who knows anything? Two weeks ago, somebody claimed that I'm a white man masquerading as a black man.

Saucyxo:


Ehhhhhhh lol wait how this one take concern me now biko. Like I KNOW you are joking. All you have to do is read a little on history to know that Christians do not make empty threats. Christians do not play with blasphemy.

You just like this my moniker. Just admit it.

whitelotus:

Did you really say the universe is imperfect because 70% of the Earth is inhabitable?

whitelotus:



No. You talk like a young woman.

Well, who knows anything? Two weeks ago, somebody claimed that I'm a white man masquerading as a black man.

Lol I could be a young woman. I could be 19.

Saucyxo:


Did you really say the universe is imperfect because 70% of the Earth is inhabitable?

Yes. Because 95 percent of that water is salt water.

Saucyxo:


I may be wrong. But I’d like to see how the Prophet and Bala’s approach are similar. Some tasfirs would do.

Im a Muslim. There’s nothing you can do or say that will change that. Muslim means I submit to the will to Allah. Even when I don’t see the logic. I study some more and I ask Allah to open my heart to the things I may not understand.

I would say I’m a logical person. I’m no advocate of anyone’s free speech being hindered. I have stated SEVERAL times that I don’t agree that he should be killed. Free me na lol what else again

The prophet preached his beliefs against the Meccans, Bala also preached his disbelief against Muslims. Are these not similar? Are they not preaching their views?

As for the bolded, that's your subjective approach, i don't know what relevant is it in this discussion.

Saucyxo:


Did you really say the universe is imperfect because 70% of the Earth is inhabitable?

The universe is imperfect. A meteorite can hit the earth now and we go extinct and the galaxy won't feel a thing.

tintingz:


The prophet preached his beliefs against the Meccans, Bala also preached his disbelief against Muslims. Are these not similar? Are they not preaching their views?

As for the bolded, that's your subjective approach, i don't know what relevant is it in this discussion.

Bala was arrested for insulting the Prophet. I would like to see where the Prophet called the higher powers at that time pedophiles and terrorists. Also, this is against the law of the place he lives in... like I don’t understand what he thought would happen. It’s against the law to posses a gun in the UK. Someone will now say well it’s my human right to carry what I want and they’re shocked they get arrested.

I’m just letting you know that even if there was instances in Tasfir, I wouldn’t go against my religion. I would go educate myself so I would understand or I’ll just leave it. Allah knows best.

whitelotus:



Yes. Because 95 percent of that water is salt water.

So because YOU can’t live there, it’s inhabitable and of no use.

tintingz:
The universe is imperfect. A meteorite can hit the earth now and we go extinct and the galaxy won't feel a thing.

The universe is imperfect because a meteorite COULD hit the Earth. The universe consists of more than the Earth. Things die and are created all around the universe all the time. How does that mean anything? It’s been 2billion years, nothing has hit us, we’re still here. And it all started with a random Big Bang

Saucyxo:


Bala was arrested for insulting the Prophet. I would like to see where the Prophet called the higher powers at that time pedophiles and terrorists. Also, this is against the law of the place he lives in... like I don’t understand what he thought would happen. It’s against the law to posses a gun in the UK. Someone will now say well it’s my human right to carry what I want and they’re shocked they get arrested.

I’m just letting you know that even if there was instances in Tasfir, I wouldn’t go against my religion. I would go educate myself so I would understand or I’ll just leave it. Allah knows best.

SMH

The people of meccans were polytheists, they worship many gods with high esteem, Muhammad came saying they're worshiping false gods, they're wrong and also criticized some of their practices. That's a blasphemy words in this case, he's insulting their beliefs, it's like saying to muslims Allah doesn't exist and criticize Muslims practices. These are both in same scope just that Muhammad later went extreme.

Why do you think the Meccans hated Muhammad then and wanted to hurt him?, this is same things Muslims in the north are doing to Bala.

It doesn't matter how you say it, what matter is you're speaking against their beliefs, you speak against what they hold dearly.

I know you will be bias and hypocrites here, you won't accept your dear Prophet was wrong as you claim for Bala except you agree people have free speech to speak up.

Saucyxo:


Bala was arrested for insulting the Prophet. I would like to see where the Prophet called the higher powers at that time pedophiles and terrorists. Also, this is against the law of the place he lives in... like I don’t understand what he thought would happen. It’s against the law to posses a gun in the UK. Someone will now say well it’s my human right to carry what I want and they’re shocked they get arrested.

I’m just letting you know that even if there was instances in Tasfir, I wouldn’t go against my religion. I would go educate myself so I would understand or I’ll just leave it. Allah knows best.

You are so wrong.

Your prophet cursed those who drink and sell alcohol. Your prophet cursed christians too.

Bala Mubarak was not insulting the prophet, he was stating facts about the prophet.

Sharia law does not apply to non-muslims. So,Bala did not break any law.

Saucyxo:


So because YOU can’t live there, it’s inhabitable and of no use.

No. Most land animals cannot drink that water

Saucyxo:


The universe is imperfect because a meteorite COULD hit the Earth. The universe consists of more than the Earth. Things die and are created all around the universe all the time. How does that mean anything? It’s been 2billion years, nothing has hit us, we’re still here. And it all started with a random Big Bang

You don't even read cosmology, so this argument won't even leads to anywhere.

The universe is chaotic and orderly, there are many chaotic things in the universe that can wipe us out, dinosaurs were ones existing and they're extinct now. There are diseases, natural disasters that are dangerous to us. Is that a perfect universe to you?

Meteorites, astroid are just collapsing and colliding in space, infact the earth is moving to a more chaotic stage.

The world isn't meant for us to live, we're struggling to survive in this world.

tintingz:
The universe is imperfect. A meteorite can hit the earth now and we go extinct and the galaxy won't feel a thing.

Don't forget entropy.
Or the theory that suggests that during the big bang there should had been perfectly equal amounts of matter and antimatter produced and they should had cancelled eachother to oblivion, but somehow there was more matter than antimatter resulting in the current universe.

But then it depends on what someone means when they say "perfect"
Is it perfect like the earth's current location in the universe with a perfect distance from the sun to maintain liquid water, having the necessary conditions to support life in the solar system?

whitelotus:



You are so wrong.

Your prophet cursed those who drink and sell alcohol. Your prophet cursed christians too.

Bala Mubarak was not insulting the prophet, he was stating facts about the prophet.

Sharia law does not apply to non-muslims. So,Bala did not break any law.

Can I see the Tasfir?

I believe this is a law in Kano. Penal code or something.

You say facts, they say insults. Theirs is the only one that counts here.

IMAliyu:

Don't forget entropy.
Or the theory that suggests that during the big bang there should had been perfectly equal amounts of matter and antimatter produced and they should had cancelled eachother to oblivion, but somehow there was more matter than antimatter resulting in the current universe.

But then it depends on what someone means when they say "perfect"
Is it perfect like the earth's current location in the universe with a perfect distance from the sun to maintain liquid water, having the necessary conditions to support life in the solar system?

The universe is both chaotic and orderly, the universe cannot be absolutely perfect, it evolved with very slow and gradual process, a perfect thing doesn't have defects.

The galaxy formation is more like a collapsing and colliding process, an astroid can just hit the earth now. NASSA said an astroid is getting closer to earth and if it hit the earth, civilization will wipe off.

Secondly, our planet and other solar system are said to be moving closer to a chaotic stage which may cause the big crunch.

The earth is currently in an orderly state but not perfect even in the earth it's not perfect, there are chaotic phenomena in the earth.

tintingz:
You don't even read cosmology, so this argument won't even leads to anywhere.

The universe is chaotic and orderly, there are many chaotic things in the universe that can wipe us out, dinosaurs were ones existing and they're extinct now. There are diseases, natural disasters that are dangerous to us. Is that a perfect universe to you?

Meteorites, astroid are just collapsing and colliding in space, infact the earth is moving to a more chaotic stage.

The world isn't meant for us to live, we're struggling to survive in this world.

Cosmology doesn’t deal with if the universe is perfect or not. Anyways Mr Hawking, we should be able to have a conversation with ourselves. I could learn something new. .

I didn’t actually argue the universe was perfect. I just felt it was funny Mr whitelotus decided the universe wasn’t perfect because he can’t live in the sea. When there are millions of species that live there.

I don’t believe the universe was created FOR us so I don’t see why it should revolve around us.

whitelotus:


No. Most land animals cannot drink that water

Ah sorry ooo sir. I didn’t know the whole world revolves around land animals lol. And the water in the sea was created for land animals.

tintingz:
SMH

The people of meccans were polytheists, they worship many gods with high esteem, Muhammad came saying they're worshiping false gods, they're wrong and also criticized some of their practices. That's a blasphemy words in this case, he's insulting their beliefs, it's like saying to muslims Allah doesn't exist and criticize Muslims practices. These are both in same scope just that Muhammad later went extreme.

Why do you think the Meccans hated Muhammad then and wanted to hurt him?, this is same things Muslims in the north are doing to Bala.

It doesn't matter how you say it, what matter is you're speaking against their beliefs, you speak against what they hold dearly.

I know you will be bias and hypocrites here, you won't accept your dear Prophet was wrong as you claim for Bala except you agree people have free speech to speak up.

Can I see the Tasfir please? I think we may have conflicting stories about the Prophets migration from Mecca.

I’m actually confused. If the Prophet was hated by the Meccans because he insulted their gods (which I don’t believe is what happened), then they are completely justified. 100%. They have every right to be angry.

Saucyxo:


Ah sorry ooo sir. I didn’t know the whole world revolves around land animals lol. And the water in the sea was created for land animals.

I see that you dont want to have sense.

I didnt think that I would have to spell it out for you. Land animals make up to 30-55% of animals on earth and only 5% of water is drinkable by them. That is not a perfect design.

Use your brain

Saucyxo:


Can I see the Tasfir?

I believe this is a law in Kano. Penal code or something.

You say facts, they say insults. Theirs is the only one that counts here.

Lies. Which penal code? How can a law go against the secular constitution? Stop telling lies.

Anas said that the Messenger of Allah cursed ten people in connection with wine: the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought. [Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah]

whitelotus:



Lies. Which penal code? How can a law go against the secular constitution? Stop telling lies.

Anas said that the Messenger of Allah cursed ten people in connection with wine: the wine-presser, the one who has it pressed, the one who drinks it, the one who conveys it, the one to whom it is conveyed, the one who serves it, the one who sells it, the one who benefits from the price paid for it, the one who buys it, and the one for whom it is bought. [Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah]

We have access to the same Google...

Okay? Lol I know you don’t expect me to acknowledge that. Lol Hahahaha what

whitelotus:


I see that you dont want to have sense.

I didnt think that I would have to spell it out for you. Land animals make up to 30-55% of animals on earth and only 5% of water is drinkable by them. That is not a perfect design.

Use your brain

Because animals are the only living thing and they are all that need to be catered for.

I didn’t say the Earth was perfect. I just think it’s funny you seem to think the universe is created for the consumption of human beings. I don’t know much atheists that think like that.

Saucyxo:


Can I see the Tasfir please? I think we may have conflicting stories about the Prophets migration from Mecca.

I’m actually confused. If the Prophet was hated by the Meccans because he insulted their gods (which I don’t believe is what happened), then they are completely justified. 100%. They have every right to be angry.

It seems you don't even know the story of your Prophet. I was a Muslim so I know.

The prophet preached Tawhid which is the oneness of God to the Meccans that believed in many gods. He told them these gods are false and Allah is the true and only god, the Meccans got angry and even stoned him at a point, they threaten him and plot to kill him and he ran to Medina(Hijrah) where he gain followers and army and conquered Mecca.

As for your second paragraph, since the Meccans got angry, are you saying the Prophet did a wrong approach?

Saucyxo:


Cosmology doesn’t deal with if the universe is perfect or not. Anyways Mr Hawking, we should be able to have a conversation with ourselves. I could learn something new. .

I didn’t actually argue the universe was perfect. I just felt it was funny Mr whitelotus decided the universe wasn’t perfect because he can’t live in the sea. When there are millions of species that live there.

I don’t believe the universe was created FOR us so I don’t see why it should revolve around us.

Okay.

Saucyxo:


We have access to the same Google...

Okay? Lol I know you don’t expect me to acknowledge that. Lol Hahahaha what

Lol, it seems these people don't have real case.

What has cybercrime got to do with criticism?

We all criticize our politicians almost daily on social media, why aren't they charging all of us to court?

It's seems Bala case is a malicious case rather than a real case.

Saucyxo:


We have access to the same Google...

Okay? Lol I know you don’t expect me to acknowledge that. Lol Hahahaha what

And that penal code is sharia law. Bala Mubarak is not a muslim.

Bala did not break any law, so, your original point that he broke the law is false and very dubious.

Saucyxo:


Because animals are the only living thing and they are all that need to be catered for.

I didn’t say the Earth was perfect. I just think it’s funny you seem to think the universe is created for the consumption of human beings. I don’t know much atheists that think like that.

This is what happens when you dont mind your business and you do not know what two other people are arguing about.

The person on the other thread was making the claim that the universe was designed and fine tuned by God. I gave him examples of flaws in the design of the universe.

I never said that the universe or earth was made for man. That is an Abrahamic view of creation. Funny that you, a muslim is criticising me for you believe.

I was only pointing the lack of thought in designing an ecosystem in the sense of the earth and animal life on earth.
Or are you arguing that I do not have a point?

tintingz:


It seems you don't even know the story of your Prophet. I was a Muslim so I know.

The prophet preached Tawhid which is the oneness of God to the Meccans that believed in many gods. He told them these gods are false and Allah is the true and only god, the Meccans got angry and even stoned him at a point, they threaten him and plot to kill him and he ran to Medina(Hijrah) where he gain followers and army and conquered Mecca.

As for your second paragraph, since the Meccans got angry, are you saying the Prophet did a wrong approach?

Can I see the Tasfir for that please?

From what I know and what I’ve read, the reason the people of Quraysh were angry at the Prophet was because he practiced contracting beliefs and had a following. These were current practices that the Prophet went against. Not just about God, also the killing of female children and protection of poor people. I would like to see Tasfir of the insults if you don’t mind.
I also know they were upset because the merchants were losing money and were upset at the economic disruption the Prophet was causing. I remember comparing it to the Lutheran reformation in Catholic Rome.

Allah knows best. In my opinion, the Quraysh had every right to be angry if indeed they were insulted.

whitelotus:



This is what happens when you dont mind your business and you do not know what two other people are arguing about.

The person on the other thread was making the claim that the universe was designed and fine tuned by God. I gave him examples of flaws in the design of the universe.

I never said that the universe or earth was made for man. That is an Abrahamic view of creation. Funny that you, a muslim is criticising me for you believe.

I was only pointing the lack of thought in designing an ecosystem in the sense of the earth and animal life on earth.
Or are you arguing that I do not have a point?

See me see trouble oo. Why are you so angry today uncle Whitelotus. We are friend oo. No need to carry this matter for head.

But you made the claims of the flaws as if the universe was designed for you. Most atheists I know don’t subscribe to that idea. The pointing out of lack of thought in a universe that wasn’t designed at all, regardless of designed for you is very theistic.

I found it funny that you assumed that 70% of the Earth is inhabitable so the universe is imperfect. Ndo ehn it won’t happen again

tintingz:


Lol, it seems these people don't have real case.

What has cybercrime got to do with criticism?

We all criticize our politicians almost daily on social media, why aren't they charging all of us to court?

It's seems Bala case is a malicious case rather than a real case.

Ah that one is not my business. I’ve said my own. Me I won’t go to Buhari‘s village and be running my mouth and expect nothing will happen oo.