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| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:01pm On May 22, 2020 |
Emusan:Only Jehovah God possess IMMENSE POWER to know EVERYTHING, His servants DON'T. Emusan keeps recycling JUNK..... Mr Russell is very CORRECT. For example, " in the beginning God created the heaven and earth", Genesis1:1. Hebrews 1:2 "God created the Universe THROUGH His Son" More details not revealed in Genesis 1:1. That's what Russell is actually saying. Russell worshipped the God and Father of Jesus Christ, so STOP DECEIVING yourself. In spite of Jesus Christ leading and teaching his Followers, they still disputed among themselves for positions of prominence amidst other flaws. Jehovah's servants must have frailties, but Emusan prefers to DECEIVE himself that they are not Jehovah's servants because they were not perfect. David wey commit Murder and adultery and the Armed Robber executed with Jesus, them go enter God's kingdom before you, in spite of their iniquities .They were humble to acknowledge their limitations, unlike the proud demigod critical of Jehovah's servants. "Jesus is God dwell in the flesh FRAUD Man. ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 10:05pm On May 22, 2020 |
letu:Ephesians 3:14-15, Romans 11:35-36, Jesus Christ OWES his name to his CREATOR and God in heaven, just like everyone else. Whoever hates that FACT is simply DECEIVING himself. ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 6:05am On May 23, 2020 |
Emusan:Please can't you discuss maturely without insulting people? ![]() God's word taught us to deliver his message with mild temper and deep respect {1Peter 3:15} with your manner of approach you will only gather desperate people looking for solutions to problems! Please show some manners you can't try this with Muslims, think how Jesus will view you as you're supposed to build faith in people's hearts NOT to tear down their loving spirit! Matthew 12:19 Back to your questions! (1) Peter spoke with the words of the prophecies at heart he wasn't inspired at the time. This was evident in his next comment! Matthew 16:21-23 (2) Like Apostle Peter, Charles Taze Russell made several mistakes based on what the whole earth thought back then about Christianity, take note that Peter made so many errors {Matthew 16:21-23, 26:75; Galatians 2:11-14} yet Jesus included Peter (even made him spokesman amongst the Apostles) Matthew 16:17-19 compare to Act 2:14, 3:12. So Russell and his team were wrong in some things they did and said back then but Jesus doesn't look at our errors, our Master, Lord and King focuses on our willingness to make amendments. That's why he said "I came to save sinners(people who are willing to admit their shortcomings)" Matthew 9:13 (3) You kept repeating the same thing Sir. Faithfulness has nothing to do with mistakes! For your information, Russell and his team were much more faithful than most of us living now! Because if not because of their boldness to stand out and making research to unravel the secrets of the orthodox Churches i can't think of living Islam for the churches of Christendom whose faith yields nothing different from Islam! Matthew 7:16-18 So they were faithful like Jesus' first century Apostles who (despite their shortcomings) stood firm for what they knew! Act 4:19-20 Please know that your grievances won't change nothing it will only continue to show how empty and credulous you are, but your ability to reason maturely with mild temper and deep respect is what counts! 1Peter 3:15 |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 12:31pm On May 23, 2020 |
Maximus69:See pot calling kettle black... God's word taught us to deliver his message with mild temper and deep respect {1Peter 3:15} with your manner of approach you will only gather desperate people looking for solutions to problems!So you know this but you don't abide by it! Hypocrite! Please show some manners you can't try this with Muslims, think how Jesus will view you as you're supposed to build faith in people's hearts NOT to tear down their loving spirit! Matthew 12:19Ode.... I live in Northern part of Nigeria, stop saying nonsense I'm not a coward like you who run from Jihadist. Back to your questions!But Jesus said it was the Father who revealed it to Peter... Was Peter wrong in what he said, despite not being inspired? Why was Russell made many wrong doctrines despite being inspired? (2) Like Apostle Peter, Charles Taze Russell made several mistakes based on what the whole earth thought back then about Christianity, take note that Peter made so many errors {Matthew 16:21-23, 26:75; Galatians 2:11-14} yet Jesus included Peter (even made him spokesman amongst the Apostles) Matthew 16:17-19 compare to Act 2:14, 3:12. So Russell and his team were wrong in some things they did and said back then but Jesus doesn't look at our errors, our Master, Lord and King focuses on our willingness to make amendments. That's why he said "I came to save sinners(people who are willing to admit their shortcomings)" Matthew 9:13Like I said, what Russell did wasn't MISTAKE but still HOLDING UNTO THE VERY DOCTRINES you people now count as pagan practices. The point that an honest mind will ask is, why would God allow Russell and his team to die in those PRACTICES if today those practices are now pagan? Did God allow Apostle Peter to die in his mistake (even though Peter didn't make any, except for deluded JWs)? (3) You kept repeating the same thing Sir.I will keep repeating it but you're an hypocrite. Russell was faithful, are you God to determine that? What of those who stand against the teaching of Catholic, are they not faithful? What are the short coming of Russell and his team? It's like you don't know the point here. RUSSELL and his team uphold the teaching of what you people called pagan practices today, tell me, how can God allow such person to be part of His elected but failed to see people before him? That's partiality, which God will never do. The foundation of God stands sure..... If worshipping Christ is an idol practice then RUSSELL and his team are idol worshippers. So they were faithful like Jesus' first century Apostles who (despite their shortcomings) stood firm for what they knew! Act 4:19-20So that means the first century Apostles also worshipped Jesus Christ since that's the same doctrines Russell uphold. Please know that your grievances won't change nothing it will only continue to show how empty and credulous you are, but your ability to reason maturely with mild temper and deep respect is what counts! 1Peter 3:15You called it grievance but it's evident I'm presenting fact to you. See how the same RUSSELL just rubbish your light getting brighter gebbrish. If RUSSELL is as faithful as apostles of old as you claimed, then this his statement should hit your mind. "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188 Everyone can see how hypocrisy is ruining your life, Russel and his team who worshipped Christ suddenly became God's elected but people before him are all rejected. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 12:49pm On May 23, 2020 |
Emusan:Hmmmmmmmm, Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them!" Matthew 7:15-20 Just know that your insult and abuses keeps revealing your immaturity! ![]() Inú ñbí ewúré ó wá ñfi esè wa ilè! ![]() I've given you the criteria Sir, Willingness to accept correction after a thorough research Proverbs 2:1-5 God has continued to pick honest hearted and sincere individuals during the dark ages like William Tyndale, John Wycliffe and many others who were trying to make research to find out what was wrong with the Orthodox Churches. Don't forget that most of them were murdered for this just course so God picked from amongst them through the dark ages! Revelations 12:11 ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 12:57pm On May 23, 2020 |
Janosky:But you people claimed to be Jehovah today by possessing power to know EVERYTHING. Emusan keeps recycling JUNK.....It's a junk to you but you can still say RUSSELL IS VERY CORRECT, no wonder you don't have any single shame! Just accept Russell himself has rubbish your light getting brighter nonsense "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188 Mr Russell is very CORRECT.If not because you're not wise, Heb 1:2 didn't contradict Gen 1:1 as your teaching today contradicted that of your founder and called him an idol worshipper. Because, both are saying the same thing, one didn't say God isn't the creator of the universe. But look at this: Russell: 1. Jesus deserves to be worshipped and pray to. 2. Jesus was not Angel Today JWs: 1. Jesus is a created being, he doesn't deserve to be worshipped, doing so means idolatry. 2. Jesus is an Angel infact the very Archangel Michael. Every reasonable person knows that this is a contradictory statements. Russell worshipped the God and Father of Jesus Christ, so STOP DECEIVING yourself.So that means he is a liar for teaching people to worship Jesus In spite of Jesus Christ leading and teaching his Followers, they still disputed among themselves for positions of prominence amidst other flaws.The reason why you people keep living in this delusions is because your shallow mind couldn't understand the main point. Nobody says, any apostles or human are perfect or infallible or never committed any sin. But the point is, did God allow them to die in wrong believe? Russell and his team who were inspired by Jehovah and see himself as GOD'S MOUTHPIECE died in believing Jesus Christ deserves to be worshipped and pray to. but today the same Jehovah who inspired Russell now inspired your organization that look Jesus doesn't deserve to be worshipped, doing so is an act of idolatry. It's evident you people are just attacking strawman. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 1:06pm On May 23, 2020 |
Maximus69:This tactic won't work... Russell rubbish your light getting brighter nonsense. Do you agree with Russell statement? "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188 I've given you the criteria Sir,So why didn't Russell accept the correction before he died? why did he disobey Jehovah for not accepting the correction? OR We can then say, there were no CORRECTIONS to make after the research? God has continued to pick honest hearted and sincere individuals during the dark ages like William Tyndale, John Wycliffe and many others who were trying to make research to find out what was wrong with the Orthodox Churches.Waooooooo so these people are honest hearted persons. No wonder all honest hearted persons worshipped Christ and pray to Him but dishonest hearted people like JWs today failed to do the same. Williams Tyndale and John Wycliffe Bible never translate John 1:1 as "...the word was a god" but "and the worde was God" "and God was the Word" Who is wrong among Tyndale, Wycliffe and NWT? Don't forget that most of them were murdered for this just course so God picked from amongst them through the dark ages! Revelations 12:11And don't forget that ALL OF THEM were murdered believing Jesus deserves to be worshipped and reverend. So why will Jehovah choose such people if what they did then is now wrong today? So Jehovah is a double standard God. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by achorladey: 1:48pm On May 23, 2020 |
Emusan:Emusan: So Jehovah is a double standard God Achorladey: It's no COINCIDENCE Watchtower has PUBLIC editions for people out there and STUDY editions for it's members Are your sure Mr Max is not lost in this DISCUSSION already? |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 2:16pm On May 23, 2020 |
Emusan:My guy, the light is getting brighter! ![]() What each generation of God's servants know keeps increasing, what we know today surpasses that of Abel, Seth, Methuselah, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Samuel, Elijah, John the Baptist. All these people never had the same understanding about Jehovah! Exodus 6:2-3 So the only thing that attracts God's anger is refusal to accept correction when you find someone to enlighten you. Whatever you practice before then so far you're working towards improvement. God will never punish you for what you don't know! ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 7:48pm On May 23, 2020 |
Maximus69:And your doctrines will keep changing.... So Mr don't be surprised that as the light getting brighter, your salvation isn't sure because just imagine the fate of those Russell and his team made to worship Jesus and today they're now a pagan worshippers. Just as whatever you believe today "as the light is getting brighter" will surely be regarded as darkness too. Just as Russell himself said "undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;…" What each generation of God's servants know keeps increasing, what we know today surpasses that of Abel, Seth, Methuselah, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Samuel, Elijah, John the Baptist.From old testament till era of new testament the standard of God never change. God has given law about Idolatry. So if God hates idolatry then He can't allow Russell and his team to die as an idol worshippers. So the only thing that attracts God's anger is refusal to accept correction when you find someone to enlighten you. Whatever you practice before then so far you're working towards improvement. God will never punish you for what you don't know!So who is the person that was trying to enlighten Russell into correction and why did Russell reject the correction? Or you mean Jehovah didn't send anybody to correct him... That means the anger of God is on Russell for the refusal to accept correction. So if people are working towards improvement, how then your demonic organization claimed they are the only with THE TRUTH? Can you have the truth and still be working into improvement? I can see you didn't talk about Williams Tyndale and John Wycliffe again just because I've exposed your lies. You want to hide under them but you don't their works are already against you. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 8:45pm On May 23, 2020 |
Emusan:Thanks for your time Sir, just know that your God differs from mine! Mine teaches mankind gradually so each generation gets better understanding of our God so keep your TRINITY! ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 12:56pm On May 24, 2020*. Modified: 3:10pm On May 24, 2020 |
Emusan:Jesus says Yahweh Himself the jealous God NEVER commanded you to worship Jesus. Matt4:10 (2). Emusan no DECEIVE yourself. Luke 24:45-48, if Jesus Christ worked to improve his Followers understanding of the truth, what stops Jehovah's servants from copying that? The TRUTH is remains the TRUTH. Jehovah's servants understanding of the truth must improve. The same thing happens in scholarship. The available published works before Galileo Galilee's research said the earth is NOT a Sphere. At a point in time,Penicillin was the choice medication, but today other more effective ones are in vogue. 3.) LIENUS... Emusan claims "the anger of God is on Russell for the refusal to accept correction." In the same vein, does Emusan agree "the anger of God is on him for refusal to accept correction" that his "Jesus is God dwell in the flesh" claim is a FRAUD? Wetin you dey wish Mr Russell, the same portion fall on you. Emusan Confused hypocrite ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Hairyrapunzel: 1:20pm On May 24, 2020 |
Janosky:All these to justify that your 8 old men who are imperfect, fallible and uninspired who err in doctrinal matters and organisational direction residing in new york, are the only channel of communication between God and man today and you must unquestionably obey them or else their all loving jehovah will slaughter you in armageddon because they (these old men ) say so. Jw religion or mentally unstable people. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 1:46pm On May 24, 2020 |
Hairyrapunzel:Antijw Virus loading........ ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Janosky: 3:17pm On May 24, 2020 |
Hairyrapunzel:Make I no talk true because e dey pain NL crase Man for him brain? In sifia pains...... Keep weeping and wailing.. ARA ADIGHI RAPU NEBE NEBE ![]()
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| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Hairyrapunzel: 6:45pm On May 24, 2020 |
Janosky:Lol. Kpele take heart you hear? No jehovah is coming to destroy earth and gruesomely murder non Jws so that some people who pay allegiance to a publishing company with headquarters in New York will inherit earth and take over properties of the non Jws. Lol I know many of you have picked other people's houses that you will take after your jehovah has killed them. Well, sorry to tell you that it will never happen. The only place your wishes will remain is only in your imagination and watchtower magazines. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Hairyrapunzel: 6:49pm On May 24, 2020 |
Janosky:When I say you people are mentally unstable you will say I am a hater. See picture you put of statue hitting a human being on his manhood. I don't know what message you are trying to pass. Is it that violence has become ok? Or gruesomely killing/butchering people is now ok? |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 8:37am On May 25, 2020 |
Maximus69:You're welcome for your time, O ye followers of idol worshippers! Of course, your god teaches gradually and that's why what you regard as truth today, your god will call it idolatry in the next few years. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 8:51am On May 25, 2020 |
Emusan:What really matters to our God is readiness to yield when orders changes! That's why his own sheep move with one accord, whether he goes right or left we are not to question him and start asking "Why leading us through the valley of the shadows, when there is a better path?" Psalms 23:4 When he led us directly to the red sea, our faithful brothers never questioned him "why didn't you follow the path Jacob our father took here? After all he never crossed the sea with his family when coming to Egypt" ![]() So we are PATIENTLY following his instructions, because the love we have for our God bears all things, hope all things, believe all things and endures all things 1Corinthians 13:7 Thanks Sir! ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 9:03am On May 25, 2020 |
Maximus69:So it's your god instruction that Jesus should be worshipped and praised at a time then Jesus should stop be worshipped and reverend. What a confused god! |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 9:13am On May 25, 2020 |
Emusan:He gave orders much more complicated than that in ancient times but the sign to know he is the same person is how organized and orderly his people are even when critics thinks he is confused! ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 10:29am On May 25, 2020 |
Maximus69:So you agree that your god once instructed people to worship and reverence Jesus. That's good to know. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 2:24pm On May 25, 2020 |
Emusan:Whatever you choose to believe Emusan! WHATEVER! ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 2:28pm On May 25, 2020 |
Maximus69:This is not a belief I choose to believe but what history and you yourself have confirmed. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 2:41pm On May 25, 2020 |
Emusan:History of the world's most organized and orderly people! ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 3:22pm On May 25, 2020 |
Maximus69:History of the founder and his team rendered as idol worshippers by their god and new generation. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 3:28pm On May 25, 2020 |
Emusan:PEACE amongst themselves Sir! Unlike your folks below. ![]()
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| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 3:44pm On May 25, 2020 |
Maximus69:At least Kumuyi and Oyakilomeh didn't claim they were called at the same time! Unlike your organization that claim THE SAME Jehovah has been His head from onset, yet with different contradictory doctrines. Peace amongst themselves will be best described as Jehovah inspiration through Russell, Rutherford and Knorr: Jesus is to be worshiped and reverend with Jehovah (Polytheists). The same Jehovah inspiration through the new witnesses generation: Worshipping and reverence of Jesus Christ is an idolatry The act the same Jehovah hated and revealed the repercussion of whoever involved in it to the last apostle in Revelation How just one single organization with the self acclaimed inspired by one spirit couldn't even agree among themselves, even calling the founder and all previous one idol worshippers. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 3:47pm On May 25, 2020 |
Emusan:How well Sir. Not how far! ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 3:53pm On May 25, 2020 |
Maximus69:So you know this Then was this apply to only JWs? Keep going back and forth But no hiding place for the followers of idol worshippers. |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Nobody: 4:02pm On May 25, 2020 |
Emusan:From Abraham till date, God's people have made lots of progress in LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL. We are progressing Sir, this is present NOT past anymore! Your folks have refused to yield that's why they're contradicting one another! From Russell till date is still the same Organization and the progress is felt globally. And the oneness remains indisputable! ![]() |
| Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by Emusan(m): 4:10pm On May 25, 2020 |
Maximus69:I check through your list but I couldn't find POLYTHEIST, IDOLATRY How possible Jehovah didn't allow any of them (who are not even that enlighten) to practice Polytheist and idolatry, but allowed only your Russell and his team (who are more enlighten) to involve in idol worship? Oh yee followers of idol worshippers everywhere! |
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