Maximus69:


Unlike dead faith of fruitless arguments!

Abegi just look for a Bible believing Church not Jehovah Witness!
They are all good to go, never mind their contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines regarding TRINITY.

You will receive the gifts that's missing in Jehovah witness!

No, you should not speak in tongues, you should harnest your natural skills and or talent, get yourself a decent education, train to become a productive professional, take on an apprentìceship and similar kind of activities.

You cannot plant cocoyam and harvest cassava.

@ hoopernikao

I got your response and let me find time to do a practical insertion of this non intelligible language into those texts or verses I requested you to do....I will do it in practical term and let's see for everyone to experience the outcome. And I will do it with open mind for all to see.

That's a task I will do next. BUT before I do so, whenever you find time,

Can we have you use your explanation to explain what happened in ACTS 2 since you have consistently said we have to use the epistles to explain the gospels and Acts too. That is, you had said earlier if one understands what 1 Corinthians 14 was teaching then Acts will be clearer.....so since you explained 1 Corinthians 14 and maintained its non intelligible language, can you use it, 1 Corinthians 14 to explain Acts 2? Because we all know that what was spoken in Acts 2 was intelligible language but since you said otherwise, let's have you explain Acts 2 using 1 Corinthians 14.

Maximus69:


Guy, you really underestimated my thorough research!

I have asked many of your Pastors to define TRINITY, their response always

"It's a MYSTERY"

Thereby various definitions of the concept caused confusion amongst Trinitarians worldwide because they were taught that TRINITY is MYSTERY! Revelation 17:5

Do you now see that Oxford and English dictionaries have really affected your sight on the scriptures. You just confirmed that.

Until it is understood that current English language isnt sufficient to judge words used over 2000 years ago, bible understanding will still be a struggle. English language has changed not less than 3 times over this period and that definition you put up there is a product of that change.

Let me help you,
When you need to understand the meaning of words as used in the bible, your first point is not English dictionary but to seek to know the original word used in its original writings, then seek to know how such words were applied and used in day to day activities of that period. Anything aside this is a direction to ignorance.

When MYSTERY is used in the bible, especially NT, it never carried the meaning you and your dictionary carried above, That is your own meaning.

In bible context MYSTERY is from the word MUSTERION. Which is simply used to mean:

- hidden thing, secret, mystery, a hidden or secret thing, NOT OBVIOUS TO THE UNDERSTANDING
- of God: the secret counsels which govern God in dealing with the righteous, which are hidden from ungodly and wicked men BUT PLAIN TO THE GODLY

There is no context of the scriptures that define mystery as what cant be explained, you and your DICO did. It is even the opposite. Mystery simply means what needs to be explained (and can be explained) and its always subjective as related to individual.

So, like i said always stay with Bible meaning as Sacred Secret simply means Mystery, its just a play of words your NWT translator did on you.

TATIME:


Abegi just look for a Bible believing Church not Jehovah Witness!
They are all good to go, never mind their contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines regarding TRINITY.

You will receive the gifts that's missing in Jehovah witness!

Do you guys see Trinity in all discussion or that is the only doctrine you were taught?
Just asking o, as i have seen most of you (JW) always diverting discussion to Trinity even when it wasnt part of discussion.

Seems, that is the Alpha and Omega of what you know as related to bible.

Maximus69:


James said

"you claim to be a believer but there is nothing to present for your FAITH, i will show you my FAITH through its achievements (WORKS)" James 2:18-26

Amujale and donnie are both angry that blacks won't stop worshiping the God introduced by the white, i've discussed with the both of them several times and now they're both frustrated whenever they sight my post because it's this same question i always ask them.

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization came from the white for sure, but their achievements is undeniable, show me the achievements of your black Gods so i can trash this white God!

For your information my friend,

Frustration comes in two forms!

(1) When you're battling bitterly to establish what is not true!

(2) When you're striving desperately to refute what all eyes can see!

So just refute what Jehovah's Witnesses have achieve by presenting a better performing group, that's all!

Eeyaaa, ndo

Goshen360:
@ hoopernikao

I got your response and let me find time to do a practical insertion of this non intelligible language into those texts or verses I requested you to do....I will do it in practical term and let's see for everyone to experience the outcome. And I will do it with open mind for all to see.

That's a task I will do next. BUT before I do so, whenever you find time,

Can we have you use your explanation to explain what happened in ACTS 2 since you have consistently said we have to use the epistles to explain the gospels and Acts too. That is, you had said earlier if one understands what 1 Corinthians 14 was teaching then Acts will be clearer.....so since you explained 1 Corinthians 14 and maintained its non intelligible language, can you use it, 1 Corinthians 14 to explain Acts 2? Because we all know that what was spoken in Acts 2 was intelligible language but since you said otherwise, let's have you explain Acts 2 using 1 Corinthians 14.

We will surely examine that in due time. And that will include all Acts events on this issue.

I hope to get your feedback on the bold.

hoopernikao:


Do you now see that Oxford and English dictionaries have really affected your sight on the scriptures. You just confirmed that.

Until it is understood that current English language isnt sufficient to judge words used over 2000 years ago, bible understanding will still be a struggle. English language has changed not less than 3 times over this period and that definition you put up there is a product of that change.

Let me help you,
When you need to understand the meaning of words as used in the bible, your first point is not English dictionary but to seek to know the original word used in its original writings, then seek to know how such words were applied and used in day to day activities of that period. Anything aside this is a direction to ignorance.

When MYSTERY is used in the bible, especially NT, it never carried the meaning you and your dictionary carried above, That is your own meaning.

In bible context MYSTERY is from the word MUSTERION. Which is simply used to mean:

- hidden thing, secret, mystery, a hidden or secret thing, NOT OBVIOUS TO THE UNDERSTANDING
- of God: the secret counsels which govern God in dealing with the righteous, which are hidden from ungodly and wicked men BUT PLAIN TO THE GODLY

There is no context of the scriptures that define mystery as what cant be explained, you and your DICO did. It is even the opposite. Mystery simply means what needs to be explained (and can be explained) and its always subjective as related to individual.

So, like i said always stay with Bible meaning as Sacred Secret simply means Mystery, its just a play of words your NWT translator did on you.

Don't bother yourself my guy, Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" Matt 7:20

Aren't you the same person who likened Jesus to comic heroes?

So how would you accept correction when you find someone to help you?

I even quoted Rev 17:5 where John was inspired to inform us that MYSTERY will be the hidden name of the mother of all false religions of the endtime.
You're all Trinitarians yet for almost two thousand years all Trinitarians can't come up with just on definition for TRINITY, because it's a MYSTERY (incomprehensible).

Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) numbering about 8.7 millions globally from different races have the same line of thought, norm and rule of conduct everywhere you find them! Tom 15:5-6, 1Cor 1:10, Eph 4:3

Sorry Sir,
SACRED SECRETS (hidden facts) and MYSTERY (confusion) totally differ in meaning!

MuttleyLaff:

cc: Acehart, Kobojunkie, hupernikao,

Go to a reputable seminary and argue it out.

hoopernikao:


Do you guys see Trinity in all discussion or that is the only doctrine you were taught?
Just asking o, as i have seen most of you (JW) always diverting discussion to Trinity even when it wasnt part of discussion.

Seems, that is the Alpha and Omega of what you know as related to bible.

That's the Genesis of the confusion in all the churches of Christendom!

Rev 17:5 says all of you will be running from one opinion to another and there will be no peace in your midst due to MYSTERY (confusion) inculcated in your brains.

Is that not what caused all the arguments here?

Common SPEAKING IN TONGUES all of you can't come to terms, but when JWs revealed the SACRED SECRET behind the concept, even showing you it's produce globally, you want to continue in your fruitless arguments!

My guy the TRINITY is a MYSTERY so all Trinitarians will continue to live in confusion, you may point accusing fingers at God's people but you'll see that we are doing the needful while you people will continue to argue and argue and argue amongst yourselves with no solution in sight, because your religion was built on MYSTERY (confusion)

Maximus69:
James said

"you claim to be a believer but there is nothing to present for your FAITH, i will show you my FAITH through its achievements (WORKS)" James 2:18-26

"We are all like one who is unclean, all our so-called righteous acts are like a menstrual rag in your sight.
We all wither like a leaf; our sins carry us away like the wind."
- Isaiah 64:6

"As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;"
- Romans 3:10

No need to be smug about any so called "works" and/or "achievements"

Maximus69:
Amujale and donnie are both angry that blacks won't stop worshiping the God introduced by the white, i've discussed with the both of them several times and now they're both frustrated whenever they sight my post because it's this same question i always ask them.

Jehovah's Witnesses Organization came from the white for sure, but their achievements is undeniable, show me the achievements of your black Gods gods so i can trash this white God!

For your information my friend,

Frustration comes in two forms!

(1) When you're battling bitterly to establish what is not true!

(2) When you're striving desperately to refute what all eyes can see!

So just refute what Jehovah's Witnesses have achieve by presenting a better performing group, that's all!

I crossed out the "Gods" and changed it to gods

hoopernikao:


Do you guys see Trinity in all discussion or that is the only doctrine you were taught?
Just asking o, as i have seen most of you (JW) always diverting discussion to Trinity even when it wasnt part of discussion.

Seems, that is the Alpha and Omega of what you know as related to bible.

Leave all these people arguing about speaking in tongues, please preach the gospel of Spiderman, Superman and Hulk to me Sir. I think i'll love to hear that for now!

TAYO124:
Go to a reputable seminary and argue it out.

Seminary is were the dead are. I don't frequent the cemetery and I don't do argue either. Thank you very much.

Maximus69:


Don't bother yourself my guy, Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them" Matt 7:20

Aren't you the same person who likened Jesus to comic heroes?

So how would you accept correction when you find someone to help you?

I even quoted Rev 17:5 where John was inspired to inform us that MYSTERY will be the hidden name of the mother of all false religions of the endtime.
You're all Trinitarians yet for almost two thousand years all Trinitarians can't come up with just on definition for TRINITY, because it's a MYSTERY (incomprehensible).

Jehovah's Witnesses (true Christians) numbering about 8.7 millions globally from different races have the same line of thought, norm and rule of conduct everywhere you find them! Tom 15:5-6, 1Cor 1:10, Eph 4:3

Sorry Sir,
SACRED SECRETS (hidden facts) and MYSTERY (confusion) totally differ in meaning!

Even when i showed you evidence, corrected you with explanation that is traceable, and documented, you still chose to take your wrong information. Dont you think that in itself is a problem. When you are corrected take it and learn. Dont wait until you get to a place you will be exposed badly.

And on the bold above, why some of you find lying and bearing false witness convenient on NL is an amazement to me. That is what you just did.

And on Trinity (which seems to be a mystery to you), you and i with your other folks have had a long discussion on this before, go and revisit that note and refresh your mind. Or have you forgotten how you and your folks shifted ground from discussions and start saying irrelevant things concerning the discussion and calling me names. Get your thoughts together and revisit it or better still let your teacher review his teaching with you on the subject.

TATIME:


Leave all these people arguing about speaking in tongues, please preach the gospel of Spiderman, Superman and Hulk to me Sir. I think i'll love to hear that for now!

The joke is on you Sir, read that post again, it is written in plain English (one of the "new tongues" you people speak) or do you need an interpreter?

TAYO124:


Go to a reputable seminary and argue it out.

I hope to do so. Thanks for the advice.

MuttleyLaff:
"We are all like one who is unclean, all our so-called righteous acts are like a menstrual rag in your sight.
We all wither like a leaf; our sins carry us away like the wind."
- Isaiah 64:6

"As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;"
- Romans 3:10

No need to be smug about any so called "works" and/or "achievements"

I crossed out the "Gods" and changed it to gods

You misapplied those texts Sir!

What you're quoting was talking about the works you do outside faith setting.
For instance, a Muslim, Buddhists, Hindu, Jew or any other religionist may feel he is OK before God if he's doing what people around him agree as good works.
Of course that will not take them anywhere close to God, on the other hand Jesus commissioned a global preaching and teaching work that belongs to the God who sent him, this is the work those living now must learn to engage themselves, it will deprive you of so many things, unless you were born by parents who embraced this work no human under the surface of the sun will tell you he loves this work because it's not natural!

That's what James was talking about, so if you want God to view you as he did Abraham you must do the work that will show the faith in you, it's this work people around you will notice before asking you "who taught you these things?" then you'll have the privilege of telling them Jesus of Nazareth!

James specifically mentioned Rahab a prostitute in Jericho, she is not an Israelite but did what she could in support of God's will {Jam 2:25} so if you're not doing such then your professed faith is DEAD! Jam 2:26

So you need to IDENTIFY God's people, know what God's will is and join them by working in support of the fulfilment of God's will!

As for the Gods or gods, leave that one it's Bible translators that did all that, GOD, God or god means the same thing its the name of the God in question that matters!

Maximus69:
You misapplied those texts Sir!

What you're quoting was talking about the works you do outside faith setting.
For instance, a Muslim, Buddhists, Hindu, Jew or any other religionist may feel he is OK before God if he's doing what people around him agree as good works.
Of course that will not take them anywhere close to God, on the other hand Jesus commissioned a global preaching and teaching work that belongs to the God who sent him, this is the work those living now must learn to engage themselves, it will deprive you of so many things, unless you were born by parents who embraced this work no human under the surface of the sun will tell you he loves this work because it's not natural!

That's what James was talking about, so if you want God to view you as he did Abraham you must do the work that will show the faith in you, it's this work people around you will notice before asking you "who taught you these things?" then you'll have the privilege of telling them Jesus of Nazareth!

James specifically mentioned Rahab a prostitute in Jericho, she is not an Israelite but did what she could in support of God's will {Jam 2:25} so if you're not doing such then your professed faith is DEAD! Jam 2:26

So you need to IDENTIFY God's people, know what God's will is and join them by working in support of the fulfilment of God's will!

As for the Gods or gods, leave that one it's Bible translators that did all that, GOD, God or god means the same thing itst the name of the God in question that matters!

You need to read more carefully because I was referring to you always showing excessive pride in yourself and JW plus having to always be boasting about your so called "achievements," even pasting subtle proselytising needless pictures upandan the forum

hoopernikao:


Even when i showed you evidence, corrected you with explanation that is traceable, and documented, you still chose to take your wrong information. Dont you think that in itself is a problem. When you are corrected take it and learn. Dont wait until you get to a place you will be exposed badly.

And on the bold above, why some of you find lying and bearing false witness convenient on NL is an amazement to me. That is what you just did.

And on Trinity (which seems to be a mystery to you), you and i with your other folks have had a long discussion on this before, go and revisit that note and refresh your mind. Or have you forgotten how you and your folks shifted ground from discussions and start saying irrelevant things concerning the discussion and calling me names. Get your thoughts together and revisit it or better still let your teacher review his teaching with you on the subject.

First of all find a way to agree amongst yourselves on TRINITY before you come out to preach what's causing confusion in your churches till now!

If a JW preach to you in Canada there is no place you go on this planet that you will meet another JW that will contradict what my Canadian brother told you about our God.
But just within the same vicinity there you will find ten different Trinitarian churches having contradicting opinions on the same TRINITY!

So go and resolve this confusion amongst yourselves before coming out to argue in support of it Sir!

MuttleyLaff:
You need to read more carefully because I was referring to you always showing excessive pride in yourself and JW plus having to always be boasting about your so called "achievements," even pasting subtle proselytising needless pictures upandan the forum

I understand you perfectly Sir!

I never i drew undue attention to myself, what most people expects when they find someone having divine wisdom, they want the person to agree that they're on the same page with him, of course i'll tell you that's a lie, if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses, we are not on the same page!


I only direct my admirers to God's people and what God is doing in their midst, just read Rahab's comments again {Jos 2:9-13} then compare to all my posts you'll notice i only direct honest hearted and sincere people to God's Organization NOT myself!

Maximus69:


First of all find a way to agree amongst yourselves on TRINITY before you come out to preach what's causing confusion in your churches till now!

If a JW preach to you in Canada there is no place you go on this planet that you will meet another JW that will contradict what my Canadian brother told you about our God.
But just within the same vicinity there you will find ten different Trinitarian churches having contradicting opinions on the same TRINITY!

So go and resolve this confusion amongst yourselves before coming out to argue in support of it Sir!

I guess that is a submission that you will revisit the notes in our discussion. It will help you.

hoopernikao:


I guess that is a submission that you will revisit the notes in our discussion. It will help you.

Paul said "in God's congregation there is no DISODER but PEACE" 1Cor 14:33

That's what i saw from afar in the midst of true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) Matthew 5:14-16

Maximus69:

Amujale and donnie are both angry that blacks won't stop worshiping the God introduced by the white....

Who is God?

The African divine principles are God.

You and I could grow in spirituality or does something so revolutionary that we can become a god.

Foreigners came to Africa, found out about our Divine Principles and called them God.

Hence, the African Gods are the only true and proper ones.

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

Its pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist religions and focus our concentration on reality, African history.

African history comprises of Agriculture,  Architecture, Arts, Astrounomy, Astrology, Commerce, Engineering, Mathematics, Medical sciences, Philosophy, Physical sciences e.t.c

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

Amujale:


Atleast you agree that people are unknowingly worshiping a false god.

The god of the bible is fake and malicious. CHECK?

Changing lives! Hebrews 4:12

Present your own God and let's see it's works first Sir!

Maximus69:


Changing lives! Hebrews 4:12

Present your own God and let's see it's works first Sir!

The bible is fake, false and counterintuitive.

Amujale:



Who is God?

The African divine principles are God.

You and I could grow in spirituality or does something so revolutionary that we can become a god.

Foreigners came to Africa, found out about our Divine Principles and called them God.

Hence, the African Gods are the only true and proper ones.

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

Amujale:



Who is God?

The African divine principles are God.

You and I could grow in spirituality or does something so revolutionary that we can become a god.

Foreigners came to Africa, found out about our Divine Principles and called them God.

Hence, the African Gods are the only true and proper ones.

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

You are a living person who has brains just as i do, you can think and makes plans for your future, you can discern what to do next when one plan fails but when you have to deal with me (who also have the same attributes as you do) then both of us needs a superior intelligent beings that'll teach us how to settle issues without hurting each other and to cohabit peacefully despite the diversity in our hobbies.
That's the vacuum that GOD fills!
You have neighbours who have different opinions and hobbies, God's work is to connect you with those who have the mind to make peace despite your differences.

So if there is no PEACE between you and your neighbours at least to some extent you can point to those living close to you that have become like your brothers due to the mutual agreement binding you together then there nothing you know about God!

Maximus69:


You are a living person who has brains just as i do, you can think and makes plans for your future, you can discern what to do next when one plan fails but when you have to deal with me (who also have the same attributes as you do) then both of us needs a superior intelligent beings that'll teach us how to settle issues without hurting each other and to cohabit peacefully despite the diversity in our hobbies.
That's the vacuum that GOD fills!
You have neighbours who have different opinions and hobbies, God's work is to connect you with those who have the mind to make peace despite your differences.

So if there is no PEACE between you and your neighbours at least to some extent you can point to those living close to you that have become like your brothers due to the mutual agreement binding you together then there nothing you know about God!

Again, kindly read my previous post.

The god of these extremist religions are fake.

God is an African concept.

Righteousness, virtueousness and all the good things in life are the conceptions of the African.

Foreigners came to Africa and attempt to brainwash people into believing their false and malicious god.

How did Christianity arrive in Africa?

Maximus69:


...then both of us needs a superior intelligent beings that'll teach us how to settle issues without hurting each other and to cohabit peacefully despite the diversity in our hobbies.

I totally agree with you here, however, here you are simply describing the functions of our ancestors and divine principles.

Noone will find such qualities within these extremist religions, their main function is to brainwash innocent people into a total disregard of reality in favour of the fakery and falsehood that they peddle.

Amujale:


Again, kindly read my previous post.

The god of these extremist religions are fake.

God is an African concept.

Righteousness, virtueousness and all the good things in life are the conceptions of the African.

Foreigners came to Africa and attempt to brainwash people into believing their false and malicious god.

How did Christianity arrive in Africa?

Throughout the world people of Ancient times do engage in conflicts leading to war!
There is nowhere on this planet that people living there never experienced such bloodshed due to conflicts, so if you read about wars in the Bible it's the way people of ancient times do settle their differences.
They do engage in FORCE, WEAPONS and RECORDS OF CASUALTIES.
So the strongest is believed to have the greatest God on their side, that's why the God of Israel kept destroying them all before his own people to prove that there is no God besides him!
But as a God of justice, he also chastise his own people when they do what is wrong. Unlike our own Africa Gods who can be easily blinded by the blood of animals, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a just God!

So calm down and learn righteousness not nepotism Sir!

Maximus69:


Throughout the world people of Ancient times do engage in conflicts leading to war!..

Only goodness knows where you get that from but that is nothing but fables.

According to history, our parents been living glouriously in relative peace until the distruption from foreign warmongers.

These are the reasons we MUST study proper history.

Maximus69:


...the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a just god!

Is a fake and malicious god.

The god of the bible murdered the most people in their own malicious story.