rdokoye:


You can lie to yourself, but you can't lie to me. I'm not bandying around anything, I'm guesstimating, based on what my eyes see.

Postulate as much as you want, but it won't change the facts. Ibadan is larger than London, yet, London has an economy almost twice the size of Nigeria. Landmass is irrelevant, all that matters is what's on the land. Most of Ibadan is slums, so you can only really account for the developed areas, which, as I've said before, is anywhere from 1% to 5% of the city or town (whatever you want to call it). Everywhere else in Ibadan is null and void; at least by civilised human standards. Maybe you don't see a problem with black folk living in squalor, but I do.

Salewa97:


Lol. Even based on all economic indices, Ibadan trash Enugu.

GDP, IGR, Poverty metrics, Industries, Infrastructures, Academic institutions, Research institutions, and etc.

Do you want to contest any of the above?

Can you see equating Ibadan, Enugu, and London in this context is rubbish. It could only be applicable if Enugu has a better economic indices than Ibadan.

Not long ago, Enugu was quoted as one of the poverty capital of the south and yet you’re here telling me about an imaginary economy.

Fun fact:
Do you know Enugu is tiny without a good economic metrics? Do you know almost half of Enugu is covered with brown roofs? Even the multi-story buildings are dilapidated with brown roofs and some without windows? Do you also know everything is readily available to me through google earth?

I will be following all of you closely, we are going to be painting nairaland with lot of brown roofs going forward. So ya’ll should thread with caution!

rdokoye:


Yes, it was, defying everything we know and understand about poverty. In the real world, poverty is heavily correlated with education (https://www.childfund.org/poverty-and-education/). As well as other things. But in Nigeria, the opposite reigns true. Making Nigeria the only country on earth, where less educated people (or uneducated people), do better economically than more educated (or educated) people.

Enugu and Ebonyi, both finished in positions 9 and 10, from the last West African Council Examination results: https://www.nairaland.com/5362392/best-performing-states-2019-waec

IGR is not a human development index, GDP and Per Capita are, along with life expectancy and education. Life expectancy is measured by mortality rates, which in turn is influenced by healthcare delivery: which encompasses, hospitals, access to medicines & basic amenities (such as clean water, sanitation, etc). It is these factors that measure wellbeing, living standards and actual poverty.

All the other stuff you wrote simply showcases your limited understanding of how civilisations work.

Salewa97:


You mean the same WAEC and JAMB that SE always lead in the malpractices ratings? You are using Waec to judge education in a corrupt nation like Nigeria? Is it not the same SE where special centers even exist in a government secondary school located in the cities?

The same Waec that most parents always register their kids at special centers and other impersonation sittings is what you’re using to judge education? I can see you know nothing!

How many institutions are in Enugu and what is the ratings of their universities and research institutions with respect to Oyo state?

Guy no matter what metrics you use, don’t ever place Oyo and Enugu in the same sentence. Even the life expectancy rate statistics showed by NBS indicates that Oyo has a higher expectancy rate than Enugu.

In terms of industries, Oyo leads Enugu.

In terms of SMEs Oyo state thrash Enugu. Infact after Lagos, the next in line is alternating between Oyo state and Rivers State.

I told you before, let’s both use all the available statistical metrics to judge both Enugu and Oyo state. If Enugu lead Oyo state by points, then I will apologize openly to you!

Attached are 4 documents to buttress my facts.
—Enugu has a higher unemployment rate than Oyo.
—Oyo has high SMEs than Enugu
—Oyo has high Micro Enterprises than Enugu
—Oyo has more business registered with CAC than Enugu

Tell me what are the economic indices needed to judge?

rdokoye:


Give me a link to those statistics, so I can look at them. That said, the employment stats, are 3 years out of date.

According to those stats, Benue State has more SMEs than Anamabra - not exactly believable, when you have Anambra winning awards for the best supporter of Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSME) in Nigeria. https://anambrastate.gov.ng/news?r=anambra-wins-again-this-time-for-supporting-small-businesses&hs=1fd31d366130d335fcef14babbcb9aaf

Anambra has also been reported to have/had the most SMEs in the country. Which would make sense, given the entrepreneurial nature of the people, and the number of products produced in the state.

What SMEs do you have in Oyo. Show me these products that Oyo people make.

Well, it's a simple measurement, the WAEC and JAMB results. Not much room for manipulation. But okay, if you don't agree with them, then you have to be consistent, and only quote independent studies, and I mean INDEPENDANT, not collaborative reports.

rdokoye:


According to those stats, Benue State has more SMEs than Anamabra - not exactly believable, when you have Anambra winning awards for the best supporter of Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises (MSME) in Nigeria. https://anambrastate.gov.ng/news?r=anambra-wins-again-this-time-for-supporting-small-businesses&hs=1fd31d366130d335fcef14babbcb9aaf

IGBOSON1:


And you came to this conclusion because......? In your deluded and bigoted mind, there can be interaction, commonality of purpose, cooperation, etc, between the so called south-south and south-west/north-west, but not between south-south and south-east that have lived side-by-side and interacted socially/economically for centuries! Is this how scared you are of Igbos and how desperate and shameless you are for your ATM Nigeria to survive!?

Salewa97:


Your link said Anambra emerges as the best supporter of SMEs and NOT the state with the highest SMEs.

Should I say you don’t understand basic English or you just purposely feign ignorance. How does emerging beat supporter of SMEs come into this context of our arguments?

Salewa97:


The bolded is the lie of the century. Anambra is NOT the state with the highest SMEs in Nigeria, that is a great lie bro.

Oyo State SMEs is almost 4x that of Anambra. You guys hype your state too much and give false statistics without sources.

Below is a comprehensive 167 page report from NBS on the list of SMEs by states and the type of SMEs in Nigeria and the modalities. Also included is the CAC business registration by states and Employment figures.

http://smedan.gov.ng/images/NATIONAL%20SURVEY%20OF%20MICRO%20SMALL%20&%20MEDIUM%20ENTERPRISES%20(MSMES),%20%202017%201.pdf

I attached the screenshot of the SMEs, CAC registrations, Employment stat below with their page number in the document.

—Also read the below from Nairametrics, It showed Oyo as the second after Lagos.

https://nairametrics.com/2019/07/13/businesses-boom-as-south-west-states-rank-top-on-smes-in-nigeria/

Do you still have any more thing to say??

rdokoye:

You're so vulgar. Behaviour like a human being, or just don't respond to me.

Is it that difficult to grasp, the point I'm making. Why is Anambra winning awards for SME support, when, apparently, according to your dubious report, the number of SMEs in the state are relatively low? Does that make sense to you?

Moreover, for those states that do, supposedly have lots of SMEs in them, what exactly do they have to show for it? Last time I checked, pretty much, all of Nigeria's indigenous industrial power is in the South-East. Oyo isn't known for manufacturing anything.

rdokoye:


Are you absent-minded? Didn't you dispute the educational results? If you don't believe them, because of the corruption in the Nigerian system, why are you quoting statistics from Nigeria to me?

This isn't about truth with you. This is about emotions.

If you want to spend the rest of your days, lying to yourself, then fine. You're not convincing me, and you're most certainly not convincing the generality of Yoruba people. They know the truth, that's why they'll NEVER push for their own independent country.

Salewa97:


LOL!

CAC registration is gotten directly from the issuing agency and that can’t be doctored. Even if you say the doctored the IGR, GDP, SMEs figures, there are several WorldBank and UNDP reports that also clearly showed the states of the SW are performing better than their counterparts in the country on average.

I am not disputing WAEC report from the source, I am just telling you the menace of WAEC and the gross malpractices that always happen in that sector such that parents register for special centers for their wards and I’m not flattered by the results.

WAEC issued what they have at hand and I am not doubting the record, all I’m just telling you is what I thought about it and what you yourself know about the cheating attitude of Nigerians.

If you sample 100 people today on WAEC and they are to answer truthfully, I am sure 50% of those people would have done one malpractices or another to pass their exam. You may say I’m lying, but everyone seeing this post will acknowledge the fact.

gomojam:
Waec had come out to disowned the state by state results being bandied around to massage their ego. So do not take it seriously. See link below.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nairaland.com/5363977/waec-disown-state-state-analysis&ved=2ahUKEwi518Wo7dXpAhX1A2MBHVcyAegQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw27jTh5NJi6liLG1uHrBmN3

rdokoye:
IGR has absolutely nothing to do with poverty. In the case of Borno, almost everyone works in the public sector, given the low level of education, that's why it's IGR is higher than a state like Ebonyi, where a larger portion of its population have SMEs, and they pay very little tax. The same is the case in all the Igbo states.

Because Igbo states have much larger private sectors, it also means that the state governments have more money to spend on capital infrastructure. Which accounts for the large infrastructure development in the state of Ebonyi. Compared to a state like Ogun, which has huge recurring expenditure, and very little money to spend on infrastructure development.

rdokoye:


If Igboland is so poor, why do so few people meet the requirements for the conditional cash transfer? Real development starts at the grassroots, with things like education, water access, healthcare delivery, mortality rates etc.

All the things that Igboland beats all the other states at. When it comes to education, there's no comparison between Ebonyi and Borno State, unless you're inferring that Nigeria is the only place on planet earth, where the uneducated are wealthier than the educated.

Some of these arguments are so wishful. Why do people like yourself, have such a vested interest in telling Igbo people how poor they are?

post=89895707:
Come to Anambra, see how your people are living nobody is discrimating or taxing them, at the back of my office there is one Igbo man that build very big mansion he is in US, he hardly come back, a Yoruba guy is looking after the big house, he has brought lots of his people, they are managing the man's BQ, nobody is harassing them, but for your region your guys have turned to monitoring spirits

Salewa97:


You mean the same WAEC and JAMB that SE always lead in the malpractices ratings? You are using Waec to judge education in a corrupt nation like Nigeria? Is it not the same SE where special centers even exist in a government secondary school located in the cities?

The same Waec that most parents always register their kids at special centers and other impersonation sittings is what you’re using to judge education? I can see you know nothing!

How many institutions are in Enugu and what is the ratings of their universities and research institutions with respect to Oyo state?

Guy no matter what metrics you use, don’t ever place Oyo and Enugu in the same sentence. Even the life expectancy rate statistics showed by NBS indicates that Oyo has a higher expectancy rate than Enugu.

In terms of industries, Oyo leads Enugu.

In terms of SMEs Oyo state thrash Enugu. Infact after Lagos, the next in line is alternating between Oyo state and Rivers State.

I told you before, let’s both use all the available statistical metrics to judge both Enugu and Oyo state. If Enugu lead Oyo state by points, then I will apologize openly to you!

Attached are 4 documents to buttress my facts.
—Enugu has a higher unemployment rate than Oyo.
—Oyo has high SMEs than Enugu
—Oyo has high Micro Enterprises than Enugu
—Oyo has more business registered with CAC than Enugu

Tell me what are the economic indices needed to judge?

Yoruba people no kill person with propaganda for Nigeria even Oyo, Osun have more SMES than Anambra and Abia, Main market alone host 450,000 entrepreneurs, not talk of other 62 markets in Anambra

Salewa97:


The bolded is the lie of the century. Anambra is NOT the state with the highest SMEs in Nigeria, that is a great lie bro.

Oyo State SMEs is almost 4x that of Anambra. You guys hype your state too much and give false statistics without sources.

Below is a comprehensive 167 page report from NBS on the list of SMEs by states and the type of SMEs in Nigeria and the modalities. Also included is the CAC business registration by states and Employment figures.

http://smedan.gov.ng/images/NATIONAL%20SURVEY%20OF%20MICRO%20SMALL%20&%20MEDIUM%20ENTERPRISES%20(MSMES),%20%202017%201.pdf

I attached the screenshot of the SMEs, CAC registrations, Employment stat below with their page number in the document.

—Also read the below from Nairametrics, It showed Oyo as the second after Lagos.

https://nairametrics.com/2019/07/13/businesses-boom-as-south-west-states-rank-top-on-smes-in-nigeria/

Do you still have any more thing to say??

rdokoye:


Keep showing pictures of 5% of Ibadan, and maybe you'll forget the other 95% exists. If I was as childish as you, I'd spend, literally hours posting unflattering images of Ibadan. Pictures that Ibadan has in abundance.

Most of those pictures are borderline anyway. Come on now.

post=90075340:

Anambra host 63 major markets, this is outside small, medium and large scale industries in Anambra, you can see Yami Kale is deceiving you guys

Michael004:
Salewa97 you have done wonderfully well in this thread. Thanks for humbling the olori pelebes.

Salewa97:


Brother please don't mention. I dey hail o

No time for long talks, they should just visit Ibadan.

One of them is already claiming the own all Ibadan houses. Dopemu see beautiful houses he dey claim am.

post=90075340:

Anambra host 63 major markets, this is outside small, medium and large scale industries in Anambra, you can see Yami Kale is deceiving you guys

rdokoye:
IGR has absolutely nothing to do with poverty. In the case of Borno, almost everyone works in the public sector, given the low level of education, that's why it's IGR is higher than a state like Ebonyi, where a larger portion of its population have SMEs, and they pay very little tax. The same is the case in all the Igbo states.

Because Igbo states have much larger private sectors, it also means that the state governments have more money to spend on capital infrastructure. Which accounts for the large infrastructure development in the state of Ebonyi. Compared to a state like Ogun, which has huge recurring expenditure, and very little money to spend on infrastructure development.

Caseless:
liar! If not for insugency, borno can never be compared to ebonyi in any measurement. They claim education everytime, but are always in lagos selling gala in traffic.